"I really couldn't see some some of it. I saw the little punch. I did think he put on a bit of an act, and I like Dirrell. I think he could have continued the fight or he could have taken five minutes. At the time [of the incident] it wasn't looking good for him. The last four minutes would have been interesting to see. I thought Dirrell could have continued and kept fighting. He laid there for a second and everything was fine and then he started shaking. Then he got up and said he was knocked out and didn't know what happened. If you didn't know what happened, then how can you say you got knocked out?"
-- Allan Green (Rick Reeno @ BoxingScene.com)
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I can’t call it. Only thing I do know is Dirrell looked bad in his corner after the 10th. The one thing that popped into my head was “is he going to blow it?” Than all that happened. Rather he was faking or not it don’t change the fact that it was a cheap shot and the DQ was warranted.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
Exactly
All the debate over this situation is understandable but its irrelevant. It had to be a DQ. Also, the comments made by AA after the fight were unpleasant but I would hope that with time away from the situation he will come out and apologise. Things said in the heat of the moment have to be given some leeway. If he sticks to his guns calling Dirrell a faker, then yeah he’s an ASSHOLE
If you didn’t know what happened, then how can you say you got knocked out?
Call me crazy, but is it possible Dirrell had that impression because he had just woke up from the canvas in a boxing ring with a bad bad feeling in his skull?
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by Matt Miller on Mar 29, 2010 2:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
as if I wasn’t already rooting for Ward in that fight…
by OmarLittle on Mar 29, 2010 3:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I really want Ward to KO Green and yell at him for faking it. Ward is too good of a dude to ever do that, but it would be quite amusing.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t seen the whole fight yet(though have seen the KO) so am just relying on what the unbiased posters on here are saying about whether Abraham was coming on strong at the time of the DQ but i know one thing;Green never has anything good to say about anyone.
I hope Ward gives him a right pounding.
Abraham wasn’t coming on strong at all. He caught Dirrell in the 10th with Dirrell going down, ruled a slip but questionable, and Dirrell looked a little woozy. However Dirrell shook it off by the next round with him getting some decent punches on AA but now with a little more movement (he was not getting tired at all). In the first minute of round 11 AA landed a grand total of one jab and was doing a fantastic job of trying to keep up with Dirrell. Direll was in complete control and AA was super frustrated.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that he wasn't exactly coming on strong
Dirrell was looking tired but he was still keeping at a good distance from Abraham and doing pretty much exactly what he had been doing all fight; beating him up.
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by Drunken cutman on Mar 29, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
A little less punching and a little more ring movement by Dirrell that round. He looked pretty spry and in control in the ring.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What I saw was a very tired Dirrell between rounds.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was just recovering from the shot AA landed on him in the 10th. He looked fine in the ring, which in my opinion, is all that counts.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. He didn’t look like some Jermain Taylor situation out there, and the fall was a slip, not out of exhaustion. Everybody was slipping on the canvas that night. Abraham didn’t look fresh as a daisy either.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
I don’t think it was a huge momentum swing either after Abraham caught Dirrell in the 10th. Abraham looked like typical Abraham to me… Let the other guy fire away for six or seven rounds, then begin to throw. But Dirrell was tagging him more than other guys I’ve seen in there with him during that part of the fight.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
We're never going to know
if Dirrell was legit. I think he was to a degree. I think he got hurt from that shot enough to change the dynamic of the fight, a fight in which he was winning. The DQ was the right call and Abraham should have been apologetic in the post fight interview. For a fighter who wants to be a big star in the U.S. whining like a baby after a loss where you very clearly hit a man who was down, defenseless, and unprepared for the blow is not going to win you fans. Taking your loss like a man doesn’t exactly woo the audiences but it doesn’t turn them off. Green should probably also have kept his mouth shut, I’m not taking any particular stance on this one way or the other, but I’m going to give Andre the benefit of the doubt. AA hits like a truck.
You. Don’t. Fake. Leg. Convulsions.
(My final words on this.)
by El Destruyo on Mar 29, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
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Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
This is the most bipolar thing i've read
Im still po’d at Abraham for ruining what should have been an epic fight.
You know, I really don’t like Allan Green. It’s sort of a visceral feeling, inside my guts. Like the feeling you get after eating a bowl of salmonella-laced menudo.
Ha ha
I agree. Everytime I see his face, I feel like I just ate bad cheese.
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Green is an idiot.
"And so, as, uh, Heavyweight Champion recognized by nine of the fourteen sanctioning bodies..." -Drederick Tatum, The Simpsons
ummmm
maybe because he woke up with people surrounding him while he was on the ground?!!!!
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
In defense of Allan Green and Arthur Abraham, Dirrell did initially just looked annoyed before he fell and started twitching. It was a delayed reaction KO. When I saw the shot itself and up to the twitching, I asked everyone around me very loudly if he was acting or not. It fits the idea of Dirrell not being a “real” fighter that a lot of us had. When he started twitching, I backed off a bit, and then I found out I was completely wrong when they tried to interview him.
Live at the fight neither Abraham nor Green had any access to what changed my mind. From the punch to the fall itself, I can see why they’d think that. I doubt either of them bothered to watch the Showtime broadcast to see the rest. Abraham will probably never want to see that night again, and why would Green bother?
I was just thinking how AA could think that Dirrell was acting. Does he really believe that given one free shot on Dirrell that he couldn’t KO him? Really? If this is the case how much more respect do you have for Dirrell’s chin?
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Green needs A PR guy. He gets into trouble very time he opens his mouth. Just STFU and fight and you will get the respect you are after. It works. Give it a try..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
Ha ha
Green is a riot. He talks to much, yet he lost Edison Miranda. Not that, that is an awful thing…but Miranda can’t hold a candle to any of other fighters in the Super Six including Jermain Taylor. I liked when Green said that Ward was afraid of him too. No one is afrain of Allan Green. Too bad Abraham won’t draw him in round 3 to punch his face off. Do people really think AD tanked it? I dont. A lot of people on my Examiner site think so though. I don’t. Again AA has the best one punch power shot in boxing. Recieving one, defenseless while down on one knee, can do a lot of damage. Here is the link to my Examiner story: http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner~y2010m3d28-Dirrell-upsets-Abraham
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
Do people really think AD tanked it?
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by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That is hilarious
Does anyone like Nickelback? HA ha ha ha.
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried to set up a poll in a fanshot
But couldn’t get it to work…
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I got one up in the Fanposts. The first comment also links to where you can watch the end of the fight.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I guess we’ve learned a few things: 1. Allan Green is a douchebag; 2. Arthur Abraham is a douchebag; 3. Andre Dirrell can fight.
One guy that I am about 85% sure went in the soup was Travis Walker in Jonathan Bank’s heavyweight premiere. That was a gut reaction at first that didn’t get any better with more viewings for me. But, that was in Germany, on a card that far away from the eyes of men.
Convulsing on the ground in front of your hometown audience after dominating a championship fight isn’t exactly something for the highlight reel. Neither is crying, or acting like you have no idea where you are after they hit you with the salts. I’ve been rough on Dirrell for some of the efforts he’s given (I don’t think anyone of us will forgive him for Curtis Stevens), but at some point you just have take a step back and show some respect. It’s not likely he would fake any of that, even if he was a great enough actor to do it.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Well Said
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
suprised that Dirrell's tweets about him "faking it" haven't been posted yet
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
my two cents
I’ve watched the replay a ton of times. I can’t shake the fact AD was faking. That said, it’s irrelevant. Fucking AA knew exactly what he was doing and then made things worse by laughably arguing he was looking his opponent in the eyes and thus didn’t know AD’s knee was down. That would be like kissing a 6-foot woman and her tripping and being eye level with my dick and then claiming I had no idea how my dick ended up in her mouth b/c I was staring at her eyes (or the back of her head, hiyo!). Weak sauce, all around, AA. And Alan Green looked like a little kid being jointly interviewed with Andre Ward…he kept turning away as AW spoke. Bush league.
I can’t shake the fact AD was faking.
Fact may be the wrong word. Why do you think he was faking? To me it looked compeltely legitimate and I’m surpriused that anyone sees Abraham’s excuses as remotely credible.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
When I first watched the slow mo
I thought there was a bit of acting involved too. It seemed like he got hit, and then a second later he fell over, and his face looked like he was conscious when he was doing it. That said, all of the stuff that happened afterwards led me to believe he probably wasn’t acting. This wasn’t like Luevano-Concepcion where he was up and walking around about 10 seconds after getting hit.
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And Alan Green looked like a little kid being jointly interviewed with Andre Ward…he kept turning away as AW spoke. Bush league.
Yeah, I agree with that part. Didn’t look comfortable up there. If it was a staredown, that would’ve been a knockout.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Even if he was faking, the fact he was hit while on the canvas makes it academic.. And I don’t think he was faking, but we shall never really know.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, you're right
i guess it’s academic at this point. whether he was faking or not…it was a bullshit punch from AA and that’s that.
and i’ve never laced up gloves for real and don’t presume to know what’s in AD’s head. it was just a strong feeling in my gut watching it last night (not knowing what happened) … thinking AD was faking/selling his injury. but, even assuming that’s exactly what happened..a guy like AA deserves that when he ponders for 2-3 seconds what he’s about to do and does it anyway.
FAKING?
If he was faking, would he go all the way and start crying in front of thousands of people? Come on, man. Give the kid SOME respect.
Yeah exactly. Jeez the kid looked a mess. There was no need to do it, since he already won the fight. It makes no sense to want to do something like that that could only be thrown in your face. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one. He got suckerpunched on an unprotected chin by one of the hardest punching guys in his division (who he was dominating). He was in orbit, and it’s not like he can take two or three easy fights to get over it, either. The kid deserves a little more respect.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
"shake the fact"
pardon the use of “fact” – it’s my first post.
the bottom line is that i can’t shake the feeling that he was faking. even when he was saying he got knocked out and yelling…it reminded me of someone overdoing it. i know, i know…we’ll never know for sure. the bottom line is that in a sport of duk koo kims and jerry quarrys…it’s really up to him if he wants to fake in that moment. AA should never have hit him. bottom line.
I'm so glad you said this. (In a reasonable, intelligent manner)
Something didn’t feel right at the time. The immediate reaction, along with the yelling and stuff after. I don’t know… I’ve even watched the replay a couple times.
Something still just doesn’t sit well. Doesn’t affect anything… just my opinion.
thank you
“Something still just doesn’t sit well. Doesn’t affect anything…just my opinion.”
Exactly. That’s the bottom line to me, too. Yes, of course, AA’s punch was premeditated and cheap and stupid and illegal and properly a fight-ender. But it wasn’t thrown with “BAD INTENTIONS” (more like “annoyed intentions”). It looked like AD thought about things for a split second, shook his head, and then rolled over. All of the people saying his leg was shaking…well, I guess it was a little bit but even as I was watching it I was SURE he was laying it on thick. That was a feeling in my gut, mind you, and again affects nothing substantively b/c I was thinking AA was going to be disqualified anyway. In any event, I know that in times past when I’ve lied about something and then gotten caught I’ve overreacted to “sell” the thing…so maybe I’m projecting onto AD’s behavior.
In any event, AA was ridiculous to have thrown the punch and his excuses afterwards about not knowing AD was down and then calling AD a good actor were laughable and ludicrous. I’m glad AD got the victory.
It reminded me of what that bitch Barrera did to Marquez when they fought when he was clearly down.
He histated and then threw the punch.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Agreed, Agreed, Agreed. Thank you Allan!
by SmittytheCutman on Mar 30, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions
Seriosuly?
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
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