Valero sent to rehab
by Brickhaus on Mar 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT
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According to Lider en Deportes (link in Spanish), this morning in Venezuela, two-weight titlist Edwin Valero was sent to a psychiatric hospital to deal with with alcoholism and depression. His stint in the hospital could last for up to six months, although the court said he could be released once he is better.
Initially, he had been arrested on four charges, the most serious of which was domestic violence against his wife. Ths entire situation arose when Valero went to visit his wife in the hospital, where she was suffering from a collapsed lung, as well as bruises and bites. Valero's wife says she fell down the stairs, and that the bite marks came from a previous attempted robbery, and thus she did not press charges against Valero.
The other three allegations against Valero continue to stand, however, including making threats to a doctor and a nurse in the hospital, as well as resisting arrest. The court found that Valero has a serious problem with drugs and alcohol, and thus sent Valero to a medical facility for rehabilitation in the interim. In addition, he was ordered to attend therapy with his wife.
The police will continue to investigate the remaining allegations, and may formally arrest Valero while he is in the hospital. Valero's lawyer states that this shouldn't be a problem, and that Valero will be allowed to leave the country while the matters are under investigation.
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I wish I could move over the comments from VD's post
And I didn’t want to say this in the main article, but this reeks of bullshit to me.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
bullshit like – he’s gonna spend a couple weeks there, and when he gets out he’ll have no charged pending? – that kind of bullshit?
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
That kind of BS
As well as his wife making a cover story so Valero doesn’t end up in jail. At the end of the day, he’s her meal ticket (as well as their daughter’s), and sending him to jail means no income, plus a stigma, plus he’ll just be even more pissed off at her after he gets out. Like Jrok said elsewhere, “falling down the stairs” is about as stereotypical as you get when it comes to denying domestic violence.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Sad
It is sad that a guy so talented, has such an alleged mean streak outside of the ring. I was a huge Valero fan, but not any more.
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like we have another Carlos Monzón
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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Let's hope next time it's not a window instead of stairs.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Plus strangulation
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Monzon still leads the ATG wifebeater standings
Monzon by defenstration
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
didn’t think i’d see a wife beater joke on here. valero is scum, end of story
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 29, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
One day at a time—-like Tiger. Give me a break here!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
Ha ha
Agreed.
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't doubt the guy's got a drinking problem
maybe he does. But if you sober up a horse thief you’ve got a sober horse thief.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Love it when you talk Texas, man
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
May I steal that line?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Look the point is though, this is all a familiar story. It doesn’t have anything to do with Boxing or boxers. There are plenty of boxers who are decent human beings. Whether you hear about it on your block or in your family or among the rich and famous, the tune is always the same. “Fell down some stairs,” “got in a little car accident,” etc. Some women climb out of that trap, and some don’t, and many of those who don’t wind up dead. It is a sad story, and I do not see this one ending well for Mrs. Valero if something isn’t done to stop it. In this case, the promise of money will shield Valero. Brickhaus is correct. In a few months this will all go away. Until the next time.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
While we’re on the topic of boxers doing things, Joe Calzaghe has done cocaine. This is a big story in the UK, I guess, but it:
1. Does not surprise me
2. Does not really interest me
So I:
3. Did not bother with it on the front page, because it’s just Joe Calzaghe and his ego doing coke and making fun of Ricky Hatton
Who:
4. Made way more money than Joe Calzaghe
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
The only thing interesting about it to me is that it means “It” is starting to happen to Joe. It’s really hard for many guys to walk away from boxing, especially champions and even if you’d made plenty of money. I predicted that sitting over there with his thumb up his ass while this tournament was happening was going to eventually lead to some kind of drug situation. It’s probably part that and part being bored out of his mind. “How come nobody’s talking about Joe Calzaghe anymore? Should I work out today? What’s on TV? Let’s do some blow.”
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
I thought it was a real shame
hopefully he finds something more productive to engage in.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
He’s gotta get back into Boxing in some way. That does not necessarily mean fighting, but he will be bored stiff away from the sport. Love Joe or hate him, it is hard to deny that he is an extremely competitive guy. A competitive guy with nothing to compete in will go mad. I think that’s why Ted Williams took up sports fishing.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
True
its pretty much all he’s known. I think thats why he did the dancing show, although he was Not good. Training may be more his thing than promoting.
Btw, had to look up that Ted Willimas reference to catch on :)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Brock, I think the siren’s call will sound as soon as the tournament ends, especially if Ward or Froch wins it. It will be loud, and Joe will be a damn near 40-year old speed fighter. If he knows what’s good for him, he should unplug the phone now and get into something he’s good at and likes doing. Maybe liek you say he could try his hand at training, if he likes doing that. But I have my doubts that Joe could be a good trainer, for a few different reasons, and I doubt Zags would like doing anything that he isn’t good at.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
He would be in a bit of a spot if not training, as I cannot see him being a good promoter. I’m not worried about Froch winning the whole gig, and I think his attachment to his ‘0’ is such that however loud the call is, he won’t take a genuine risk to it. Plus the inner of the Super Six would have to come to 175, which I couldn’t see happening. That would be a much more money/legacy fight than Dawson though
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
winner*
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
point three is what i thought when i first heard about this. i’m not sure if a reporter asked him randomly if he’d done coke, but that just seemed like calzaghe got a little tired of being out of the limelight for the past few weeks and wanted some more press time
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 29, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Calzaghe
Calzaghe’s return would be welcome to most boxing fans I’m sure. Personally, I like Calzaghe and would love to see him fight Froch. May be he will after Froch wins (maybe) the Super Six and has a bunch of titles. That should get Joey out of retirement. Speaking of which, is Hatton going to retire? I just wrote a story about it on my Examiner page: http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner~y2010m3d29-Quick-Hits-Americans-Malignaggi-and-Dawson-find-opponents-and-so-long-to-Ricky-Hatton
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
SC.. You're quite right.
It’s not front page worthy. I am/was a big Calzaghe fan. Stuff like like this makes me question my loyalty to anyone in this kind of light. People do feel let down by the likes of him and Valero.
by Phill on Mar 29, 2010 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Valero
Like everyone else, I was very pleased with Edwin Valero after the Chris DeMarco fight. I have raved about him on my Examiner site here.
For me, Valero is a good as retired. If this stuff is true, then the guy should be in jail let alone boxing. There are many other exciting, firery guys like Valero to root for.
I have my own page on Examiner.com if you want to see more of the articles: http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Hey do you by any chance have a page at Examiner.com? I heard a few rumors…
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
by jrok on Mar 29, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dont think he got the sarcasm
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 29, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I did not get it at all, ha ha
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 30, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait that was a joke too
My comedic ability is unacanny today.
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Mar 29, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
You can always put a link in the signature as well.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Valero in rehab, huh?
Good to see a man recognize his faults and seek some help. How can anybody knock that? The timing is unfortunate. I’m sure he rather be home attending to his wife who still recovering from injuries she suffered when she fell down the stairs.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
He didn’t “recognize his faults and seek some help.” The court sent him there.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Unless they have him on film (which I seriously doubt) the courts don’t know about his faults unless he admits to them. Same thing.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Mar 29, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’ve actually been reading about the case, instead of just posting about it, you’d know that the medical report contains evidence of bilateral chokes (the stairs choked her), multiple bite wounds (the stairs bit her), and bruise on her face and body consistent with punches. However, the Venezuelan court cannot press charges unless the victim wants to. From this latest, it’s pretty obvious that the court is trying to do whatever it possibly can to protect this woman, by carting Valero off to “rehab” for a few months.. My guess? It will not be enough. We will read this chica’s obituary one day.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
LMFAO
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure he rather be home attending to his wife who still recovering from injuries she suffered when she fell down the stairs.
Two guys walk into a bar. The third one ducks.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
While the forth one calls the cops and accuses the bartender
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Mar 29, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey that's pretty good!
But you are still defending some very indefensible stuff. That’s not very good, and it’s very strange. Here is why.
1) You keep calling Valero’s wife a “liar.” Mrs. Valero is a liar, alright. She is lying through her teeth when she says she “fell down some stairs.” Or rather, she is lying her ventilator, after those stairs bit her and popped one of her fucking lungs. Yet you act like she made up a story about being beaten-up. Probably she told the cops the truth first, then recanted. Or even more likely, the cops took one look at her chewed up, bruised up body and immediately knew what happened.
2) You are making things up to suit the story you like. When a court orders that Valero go in to “rehab,” it’s not voluntary. He is being committed to an institution. He cannot leave until they say he can. And you casually ignore stuff that doesn’t fit the story you like. For instance, why did the court also order that the couple enter therapy, if they suspect she just “feel down the stairs?” Shouldn’t they order her to take “stair-walking” classes instead?
Anyway, I think you should probably stop. You aren’t the only one here who has bad experiences, either with the law or with women who get savagely beaten by their men. Many of us have seen the other side of it up close, and it is an ugly and dangerous situation. Bottom line, it looks very, very bad for Valero right now. And if he put her in the hospital this time, next time might be the grave. That is the way these things typically go.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
by jrok on Mar 29, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm confused
is violent demise serious? I can’t tell if this is a satire or if it’s just totally pathetic?
Anyways, allow me to summarize, that yes the woman is lying, this is common with abused woman, this is why there are so many woman who stay with their husbands even though they beat them. This is common and well known. I would imagine (although don’t know the statistics) that if your poor and your husband is your only meal ticket, your significantly more likely to stay.
Yes, it is obvious that she was beaten by her husband. If it wasn’t him, she would have said who it was. The injuries aren’t consistent with falling down the stairs. Valero was almost certainly sent to rehab (and I don’t know the Venezualan legal system) because his wife mentioned he had an alchol problem, and that is what they could do to him for right now. This is similar to tax evasion in America, where it is often used to get people you would rather get for other things but can’t. Defending domestic violence is not going to score you points anywhere. But if you so firmly believe this, I suggest you bring this up with your girlfriend, and see how it goes.
he genuinely seems serious
its totally mystifying
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
1) We agree on this. She’s a liar. You lie about one thing. You will lie about another. For what ever reasons. She will lie again
2) I haven’t made anything up. The courts can not just look at Valero and with no proof say to him you have a drinking problem and need to go to rehab. It don’t work that way. It’s quite obvious he told them of his vises and being the good citizen that he is most likely requested help. At which time the courts “order” him into rehab. And the courts ordering the couple into therapy was a brilliant move. You don’t think she needs it? It’s quite obvious she does. She’s not well in the head and needs help. Why would a sane women make up accusations more than once against a hard working husband who has given you everything? Sane women don’t do that. Of course she needs help. Read between the lines, man. It’s really not that hard to figure out
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
And seriously. Stop this. Stop saying she a liar, even though she is a liar, because she said she “fell down some stairs.” Stairs that choked her and bit her and punched her and collapsed her lung. And stop saying that she needs help, even though she does. She needs help from the court system that won’t bring charges against a shithead who beats her half to death unless she cooperates. Stop saying she is insane, even though she is for hanging around a guy who will eventually kill her.
Just say you disagree, and let it go. This is not a good topic for you.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Maybe the nurses and doctors in the hospital can bring charges against Valero for assault or whatever it is in Venezuela. And I agree with jrok on this one….
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Its really sad you think like you do on this, dude. I tried to cut you some slack given your past experiences, but wow.
I’m sure you’re probably a good guy in many other ways, but that last post of yours literally leaves me open-mouthed.
Lets draw a line and get back to boxing, hey…
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Valero
The only issue outstanding is not whether he beat his wife or not (he did) but whether the US authorities will overlook the truth and refuse him a visa. They should.
whether the US authorities will overlook the truth and refuse him a visa.
Meant to say they should not overlook it…and they should refuse him a visa
This looks worse and worse for Valero. Personaly I think he’s guilty and if his name comes up on my tv listings Im checking what else is on.
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Ali
+1
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 30, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He should fight Guzman…. why because i hate both of the fucks for their behavior off the ring.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
People like Valero
can “request” rehab. The rest of us do time.
Like many people on many issues, I’m inconsistent. For instance, Monzon was—and remains—one of my all-time favorite fighters, but I heard about his violence toward women long after I became a big fan. Would I have boycotted his fights if I’d known earlier? Not sure. I do know that he remains one of my favorite fighters, but I also know that if what we are hearing = an accurate picture of Valero, I won’t watch anymore of his fights.
Like I said, not completely consistent, but many of us aren’t.
I won’t watch Antonio Margarito by choice. I will watch Shane Mosley. They both cheated, but their cheats are for whatever reason different to me, and massively so. I will also watch James Toney, who twice failed drug tests, though I would prefer to not. I’m not exactly consistent either.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What kind of rehab does one go to for being a dirty dirty wifebeater (allegedly)?
by Verklemptomaniac on Mar 30, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
Valero
Although a great and exciting fighter, clearly has issues. His issues, if true, should not get him out of jail anytime soon. If he were to fight Pacquiao, he would lose. It is weird to say, but PacMan is too strong and big for him (weird cause people typically say the same thing against PacMan).
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