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Gary Shaw, Dan Goossen already jockeying for Ward-Dirrell location

If Gary Shaw has anything to say about it, Andre Ward won't get three straight fights in Oakland. Ward will face Andre Dirrell in Stage Three of the Super Six World Boxing Classic. (Photo by Jed Jacobsohn / Getty Images)

There's already some arguing going on for the Super Six World Boxing Classic Stage Three matchup between current WBA super middleweight titlist Andre Ward and his friend and upcoming opponent, fellow American Andre Dirrell.

Rick Reeno of BoxingScene.com reports that the Super Six promoters all met with Showtime, and that Dirrell's promoter Gary Shaw has refused to have Dirrell fight Ward in Oakland, which is Ward's hometown. Ward had his first stage fight against Mikkel Kessler at the Oracle Arena in Oakland, and his June 19 fight with Allan Green will also be there. This is not the first time that someone has disputed the fact that Ward has three straight home fights scheduled, but according to the story, the contracts allow a promoter to refuse a fight located in his opponent's home state or home country. For the most part, that won't be an issue, since to go to Europe and fight Mikkel Kessler, you should probably do it in Denmark, for example, as the most money for that is in Denmark. Same with Abraham in Germany or Froch in the UK. I doubt there'd be a big traveling audience for, say, a Carl Froch-Allan Green fight in Sweden.

But in the States, this was bound to come up. Assuming Ward beats Green in June as most expect, Dirrell and Ward will be meeting in a huge fight (and imagine how big it would seem had Dirrell been awarded the points victory over Froch in the first stage), or at least huge for both of them.

Shaw, predictably, wants the fight in Michigan. Dan Goossen suggested they "flip a coin," which is ludicrous and probably meant to poke at Shaw more than anything, and Shaw then brought up Madison Square Garden. Without a serious undercard, I don't think Ward-Dirrell at MSG does well at all, even considering they probably mean the WaMu Theater. The New York taxes could also be a deterrent.

So where else could you stick this fight? Without some major money thrown either way, Dirrell isn't fighting in Oakland and Ward will not fight in Michigan. Texas is kind of a halfway point, and is increasingly becoming a more relevant boxing location, but you'd again need a good undercard to do much of a house anywhere. Florida and New Jersey both host plenty of fights, Chicago is starting to get back in the game.

Honestly, the site should be as neutral as possible. It shouldn't be in Detroit, it shouldn't be in Oakland. For pure money, maybe they make the most in Oakland, but it's not like Kessler-Ward was some major gate hit either, and as lively as the crowd was, the Joe Louis Arena in Detroit was clearly papered pretty heavily for Abraham-Dirrell.

Both of these guys are good young fighters, but they're going to have to face the financial facts about this fight, too. Where does it make the most money? Where does it draw the most fans? Where can it create buzz?

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Montreal?

By virtue of the fact that these guys could be fighting Bute / Pascal / Diaconu / Andrade in the not too distant future, I could see them pulling a decent gate there, especially if they team up with Interbox to put on a decent undercard fight.

They could probably do okay somewhere like Treasure Island as well. Not a big Vegas fight, but a smaller Vegas venue might sell okay, plus then they get whatever the Casino gives them.

Pechanga is another option. That’s practically Gary Shaw’s home, and that’s where Abraham-Dirrell was originally supposed to be.

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by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

They could probably do okay somewhere like Treasure Island as well. Not a big Vegas fight, but a smaller Vegas venue might sell okay, plus then they get whatever the Casino gives them.

There’s always the Palms, which paid for Dawson-Tarver and then, impressed by the 900 fans in attendance, brought it BACK.

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by Scott Christ on Mar 30, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caesars

Old school

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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 30, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re out of the boxing game. More into Cher, Celine Dion and Chelsea Handler now.

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by Scott Christ on Mar 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had that goofy outdoor setup for Julio-Quintana

Which had to have been one of the dumber ideas I can remember. Yeah, have an outdoor boxing match in the middle of the desert in 120 degree weather.

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by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Los Angeles?

Its turned into a good fight town . . . Kitschko-Arreola did a big gate, so did Mosley-Margarito. And the UFC has done good business their too recently with Shogun-Machida

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by mason_beer on Mar 30, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

No Mexicans involved in the fight

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by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

undercard?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it should be there

I too agree it should take place in Los Angeles. At the Stables Center. Will it do a good gate? Don’t know. Kind of doubt it. But the hell with the gate. If it takes place in Los Angeles I can go watch it live.

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by Violent Demise on Mar 31, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

just have it in vegas or la and cut the bull.

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by sonofapsycho on Mar 30, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

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by Drunken cutman on Mar 31, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houston, Dallas, San Antonio – I’ll be there. Put JCC Jr. v. TBA on the undercard, maybe a little Juan Diaz thrown in, it’d sell huge.

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by lcollins1 on Mar 30, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Wrong promoters

The problem is that Goosen and Shaw don’t really have many (any?) fighters that are big local draws somewhere that they can stick them on an undercard, who aren’t really main event fighters at this point (maybe Alfredo Angulo, but that’s about it).

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by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT?!?!?

The hell is wrong with Oakland? (the answer is nothing!) Ward has been steadily building up a good fanbase and there is no other place where you can have homeless bums yelling at European multimillionaires! Plus I want to see Ward-Dirrell really really really badly. Also this is Oakland, not England where Dirrell got epically screwed. I think Shaw is bluffing so that he can get to choose the ref…

by Waldo Rastel on Mar 31, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions  

You know what’s funny about this? They’re arguing over a world class fight being held in Oakland or Detroit.

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by Scott Christ on Mar 31, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Move over Las Vegas and New York!

by Waldo Rastel on Mar 31, 2010 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago?

Hey, we provided the neutral ground for Diaz-Malignaggi II, and it was a pretty hot crowd if I say so myself.

Sure it’s a bit close to Detroit, but we hate Detroit so that’s a non-factor.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

That was a good crowd

I personally don’t much care where it goes so long as the crowd is large and gets into the fight.

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by Drunken cutman on Mar 31, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This fight is going to a decision

so the area/city/region is crucial in that the judge’s will most likely be selected from that area.

It’s gotta be neutral and I don’t see how any venue in Cali is neutral, that’s Ward country.

What about these as options – NY, Chicago, somewhere in TX.

Why not?

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by lcollins1 on Mar 31, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

no TX

Lawrence Cole factor.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judges in all Super Six fights follow contractual rules, although Goossen did try to pull a fast one on Kessler in Stage One, which was pretty bush. Example: judges for Dirrell-Abraham in Michigan were from Michigan, Italy and Thailand. It has to be like that every time. Which means if in Texas, you might get Gale Van Hoy, Adalaide Byrd and Anek Hongtongkam or whatever.

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by Scott Christ on Mar 31, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Italy

It amuses me how they see Italy as a balance to a home state judge. Of course I’m not saying that all the states are the same but there are far greater differences between most of the countries of Europe.

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by Drunken cutman on Mar 31, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure that Ward has any sort of following down in LA. The crowd will probably be split with a slight majority going to Ward because of the California thing but it would be nothing like Oakland. The problem with moving this fight elsewhere is that these guys aren’t major draws and the only TV they have been on is Showtime, not exactly in the public eye.

by Waldo Rastel on Mar 31, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea ok. Then put it in Cali. Dirrell doesn’t draw in Detroit. The fight the other night looked like it had about 2K people there.

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by lcollins1 on Mar 31, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They papered it like no tomorrow…

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by Zocalo on Mar 31, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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