Why I'd choose Nazim over Roger Mayweather
by Chaos100 on Mar 31, 2010 1:26 PM EDT
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PrintIn a thread that has alas now moved closer toward the oblivion that is "Off The BLH Main Page", a debate has arisen as to whether or not Shane Mosley has an advantage over Floyd Mayweather in terms of their respective trainers for their upcoming bout. Since I sat and attempted Tolstoy-esque garrulousness on the subject, I thought it would be a waste to simply leave it down there in the depths of purgatory, forever to be forgotten and disregarded by the mists of time... blah blah blah.
Anyway, I have a ferocious ego, and as writers write to be read (paraphrasing George Orwell), I thought I'd post my quasi-essay here:
I'd take Nazim Richardson over Roger Mayweather any day of the week, AND the day after.Let’s talk about what Cotto and Mosley did differently against Margarito. Both outsped him, both hit him with some really nasty stuff, both looked like they couldn’t lose against the bigger but slower Margarito.
The difference? Cotto went first. Had Shane been in there with Toni that night I firmly believe Toni beats him too, and then that Cotto dismantles Toni straight after. Why? Because of the gameplan laid out in the first fight.
Cotto punched straight down the tubes, landing over and over again on the chin of Toni. Some of those shots made ME wince watching them. HE was unloading on Toni, knocking the fucking hell out of him, but it still couldn’t deter him.
So what did Mosley do differently? He listened to Nazim Richardson, who told him not to punch straight, not to hit Toni on the chin. Move sideways rather than backward and forward, and punch round corners. Mosley didn’t hit Toni on the chin until the 8th round, I think it was, and by then Toni’s head had been snapped round so many times he thought he was watching Wimbledon. Punching him to the temple was disorienting him, making him dizzy, and affecting his balance.
I wrote on here before about the difference between punch resistance and great ‘chin’, and this was a prime example. (Another was Andrade, who Bute could have whacked with a crowbar and it wouldn’t have bothered him until the fight was taken out of him elsewhere.) Nazim Richardson saw a way of proving this distinction, of giving Mosley a target to aim for that made Margarito human again despite that fucking granite chin.
The gameplan was flawless, and that was Nazim Richardson. He took a deservedly heavy underdog, and made him the welterweight champion.
Now, let’s have a quick look at Bernard Hopkins and his last legitimate fight. Remember that again, Bernard was a 4/1 underdog vs Pavlik, and the question seemed to be when Kelly would win, not whether or not he would.
So, how did we all see the fight going? I know that all the people I spoke to saw it as a chase-fest, with Pavlik going after Hopkins and Nard running backward until Kelly could land that big right hand…..
Instead, Nazim told Bernard not to take a backward step, to rely on superior head movement and hand-speed to hit without getting hit while going forward rather than backward. Within the first three rounds Pavlik knew this fight wasn’t going to go the way he’d envisioned, he was disillusioned, disheartened and practically beaten already. I say all this as a Kelly Pavlik fan, too.
Bernard put on the masterclass, there can be no doubt of that. However, there is no way in the blue fuck that Hopkins decided to do that on his own. That was a Nazim Richardson gameplan all over: Use the biggest strength/weakness disparity between you and your opponent in your favor. With Mosley it was lateral movement and speed combined with punching to one specific target area, and with Bernard it was hand-speed and elusive forward movement (because although we all suspected Pavlik doesn’t fight well going backwards, Hopkins proved it for us) combined with the element of surprise.
Both guys took the fight to a guy they were expected to be chased down by, both guys were heavy underdogs, given little to no chance by most of us on here and by boxing in general. Both guys were given a gameplan by Nazim Richardson, and both of them thoroughly dominated their opponents on the way to handing out some serious lessons in how to win boxing matches.
On the other hand, Roger has to work with Floyd, who has made it his business to not go in with a guy we don’t already know he’s going to beat. All Floyd has had to do in recent fights is be Floyd, and I think even Jack Loew couldn’t have fucked that training job up.
When Roger Mayweather takes a prohibitive underdog and shows them a way to win a fight that they shouldn’t by rights be able to win, then I’ll start to give him some more respect. Guiding Floyd to a boring points win over JMM doesn’t quite cut it.
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Depends on the fight.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
One edge Roger has is that he was a fighter and a very fine one. He knows his way around the ring as a fighter does and has been able to transfer his ring skills to his role as trainer.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
But does that necessarily give him an edge? You can be a student of the game and be a better trainer, maybe, than someone who was a very good fighter.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Like Dundee.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
one example :)
My brain was blank….lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Maybe an edge.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Many Grade-A team sport coaches have never played at the highest level. But boxing is boxing, and nobody knows boxing like a boxer. Dundee is an honorable exception (and maybe Enzo C, who never “played” at any level?)
On the Nazim vs Roger thing: it’s easy to tell a fighter to do what he does best; not so easy to tell a fighter to do what he needs to win. Nazim>Roger in this case
Nice post
"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran
by FCF on Apr 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting points
Question though, where did you read about the plans that Nazim implemented? How did you get that info?
sorry to cut in
I think you can kind of see the gameplan the trainer has given a fighter as the fight starts/progresses, especially viewed in the context of what that fighter normally does/how others have fought his opponent in the past, successfully or otherwise. Especially when there’s a change of trainer and you see adjustments in approach/planning that are more evident to long time watchers of a fighter.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Mar 31, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Personally
I much prefer listening/reading about Nazim than Roger, though that doesn’t mean a lot :)
I think that Roger hasn’t had much chance to add value to PBF in terms of gameplans, because PBF’s skills were being developed very early/God-Given, as his devout followers believe :) So its kind of hard to say he’s great unless we ascribe that term to all members of the Mayweather gene pool, but I think I would certainly say that about Nazim.
Nice post dude, rec’d ;)
(althought I still believe Kelly wasn’t himself that night due to the weight….am a lone voice in the wind on that one lol – taking very little away from Bernard, still)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Agreed that KP looked off that night
I remember hearing that he had been ill, apparently. Hops still put on a fantastic performance!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 5, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eh...
I’d pick Nazim based on the fact that I actually know of more the one person that he has trained with a degree of success. Other then Floyd, I know of nobody else that Roger Mayweather trains.
I think you give him too much credit for Hopkin’s win over Pavlik, and I think you are overlooking the whole plaster wraps thing that may have played a factor in the Cotto fight. I know we don’t know for sure, but it’s very reasonable to think he would try the same thing in perhaps his biggest fight in his career at that time.
Good point
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What have Toni's wraps got to do with how much effect different punches have on him?
I’m specifically talking about hitting him on the chin vs hitting him on the temple, and you want to bring up his wraps?
For the record, I don’t believe Margarito cheated in the Cotto fight. I just don’t. The wraps for that fight were provided by the Nevada State Commision, I believe, and not by Capetillo. If you’re gonna hate on the guy, hate on him for what we know he did, ie- the Mosley prefight incident. Let’s not make up shit so we can be justified on hating on him more. And, even more relevantly, let’s NOT hate on him in this thread, because this is a thread about two trainers, and NOT another excuse for people to throw vitriol at Antonio Margarito.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Damn dude, calm down.
Is it not reasonable to think that he may have used illegal wraps in a previous fight? I’m not trying to “hate” (and man do I hate when people use that word, probably the only thing I truly “hate” on) on Margarito. You act like all I do on BLH is run around talking shit about Margarito. Chill out.
The reason I bring up the wraps is because I believe they could have shifted the balance between Cotto getting a decision, and Marg getting the TKO victory. You want to big up Nazim for having a master plan as if Cotto’s game plan wasn’t working wonderfully for most of the fight. He was dominating Margarito too. Was he hurting him? Nope. Was he winning the fight? Absolutely. And fairly easily too.
I brought them up because I felt it was relevant to the discussion on hand. I didn’t post something stupid like “ZOMG MARGACHEATO IS A CHEATING CHEATER!!!11 HE SHOULD BE BANNED FOR LIFE!!!”.
There’s a difference between the two. In a nutshell, my point was that I don’t think the hitting the chin vs hitting the temple is the only thing to consider here.
A few points:
1. I am perfectly calm.
2. I just don’t see why EVERY conversation that by hook or crook involves Margarito’s name has to end up with the same things being said. We get it, y’know? He cheated. We know. I was talking about the gameplan of his two last opponents, and hey presto!! the wraps get mentioned. I don’t see how the wraps had anything at all to do with what I was talking about, which was Toni’s ability to take some shots and not others.
3. Cotto was behind on the cards before the stoppage.
4. Cotto gassed in the Margarito fight. I went into the fight with money on Cotto, faith in Cotto, rooting for Cotto. I said after round 4 that if he kept on with the stuff that was ineffective, Margs would catch up with him sooner or later. I was really, really gutted when Toni won that fight. The point I was making was that since Cotto was throwing stuff that wasn’t hurting Margarito, and lots of it, that something else was required. This was what Mosley did, on the orders of Nazim Richardson. Cotto banged him on the chin hard enough to kill a lot of people, Mosley concentrated on the temples. Cotto lost, Mosley won, and I think 2008/2009 Cotto was a better fighter than 2008/2009 Mosley. The difference was the gameplan. That was my only point, and the only reason I mentioned Toni in the first place.
5. I am still, and will remain, perfectly calm. :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
1. Cool. You just seemed a bit annoyed.
2. There’s always a context. Most topics about him now are about him trying to make a comeback, so naturally people will bring it up.
3. On two scorecards by 2 rounds. One had it a draw. Cotto pretty much was running things for half of the fight. Which brings me to the next point…
4. I don’t know if he gassed in the truest sense. I think it was more that he couldn’t take Marg’s punches anymore. When you start getting hit by a big puncher (esp to the body), no amount of conditioning is going to keep you going. Punishment tends to make your body shut down. So that’s why I bring up the wraps. Were the big punches taking their toll because Marg is really a big puncher, or did he have help? And if he had some help, how would this have affected the outcome of the fight? Does Cotto still start to feel the brunt of the punishment, or does he push through for a decision? I truly felt that Cotto was fighting a masterful fight for the first half before Margarito started to catch up to him. That’s what I was saying.
(And Nazim has actually said it was the Cotto fight where he started to get a funny feeling about Margarito’s wraps.)
The videos I have seen where Nazim discusses strategy against Margarito have seemed to focus more on the type of movement to use against him. He always praised the guys chin as well. I don’t remember what he said to Mosley between rounds, but I think hitting a guy in the temple sounds like a strange strategy to truly implement. It’s a pretty small area to target.
Good post though man. Nazim is definitely a high class trainer who comes up with good strategy for fights. Can he come up with something for Floyd? And can he help Shane make the right adjustments when Floyd makes adjustments mid fight? Those are the questions I have.
This is an interesting
post. I like the idea of a “Belichick” type trainer: Take the other guy’s main strength away.
Or use that strength against him. Freddie Roach might fit this mold.
Who else has Roger trained?
When you say you wrote about punch resistance vs. great chin, was that a fan post?
Can it be looked up. I’d like to read that.
I can't remember... I think it was just one of my "stream of consciousness" posts... lol
I know that practically everyone disagreed with me, and that perception of what ‘chin’ means is generally accepted as being the same as ‘punch resistance’ for most people.
I used Margarito as my key example: Punch him on the chin and he laughs, punch him across the temple and he suddenly looks human. Recently we saw Andrade go down from a body shot when you could have had A-Rod hit him in the chin with a wild swing and he’d have walked through it.
I’ll have a little look around for that post, but I’m supposed to be writing my dissertation, so I’m hoping Waldo pops up with another of his “I got ya back, Chaos” moments and saves my blushes! :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
“dissertation” WTF" WHERE AND WHAT IS IT ON? aND WHAT IS IT FOR?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Final uni dissertation, 10,000 words.
On Orwell and Huxley, and the reasons why Orwell is more highly regarded in society today based on 1984 than Huxley is based on BNW.
Mainly concentrating on Foucault’s theories on surveillance, Whorf/Sapir on the destruction of Language (and therefore thought), and destruction of the individual with lots of lovely theorists contributing. :)
Any suggestions? :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Huxley by Majority Decision
You ever see a commercial for anti-depression pills? We got quacks pumping 8-year olds full of mind-bending drugs to cure their “ADD.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Majority Decision!
LOL
You’ve just made my day!!
I’ve got Orwell by TKO-5….
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Orwell wrote about Wigan: Orwell>Huxley
"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran
by FCF on Apr 2, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I love you... :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Ha! Just reading “Road to Wigan Pier” for first time. I have new found respect for my ancestors
"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran
by FCF on Apr 2, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Orwell was the daddy.
Honestly.
For the sake of it, see if you can get hold of a book called “the road the 1984”… If you can’t I’ll make you a faithful promise I’ll post it to you after my dissertation is done.
It paints a different picture than most have of “The Road to Wigan Pier” and also “Down and Out in Paris and London”.
Fantastic book. :) FB me if you want me to send it. :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I know this is a boxing forum, but....
Did you ever see that History of Britain epsode, “The Two Winstons”? What a piece of telly – really piqued my interest in Orwell.
"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran
by FCF on Apr 2, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Orwell
Is really not my cup of tea. At least, definitely not Animal Farm. I remember rather enjoying his book about Paris though.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 5, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Foucault is sooo 90s dude
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Although I figure
that I am well deserving of most punishments I will not subject myself to any post-structuralist, postmodern, or philosophy of “modernity” even if—like the horrid Foucault—the author of such claims his or her thinking to be descended from Nietzche.
However, all I have to know is “Politics and the English Language” to see that this =
an Orwell rout!!!
by Don From Prov on Apr 5, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though everywhere I turn there seems to be a Ministry of Truth, I was recently reading an article about how companies are beginning to patent sequences of human DNA. Also, I read a few months back that the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) had just added something called “oppositional defiant disorder” to it’s list of categories. It describes it as follows:
… a recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months. Behaviors included in the definition include the following: losing one’s temper; arguing with adults; actively defying requests; refusing to follow rules; deliberately annoying other people; blaming others for one’s own mistakes or misbehavior; and being touchy, easily annoyed or angered, resentful, spiteful, or vindictive.
In other words, being a rotten brat/asshole is now a medical disorder. Welcome to your Brave New World, gentlemen. The Hux by late round KO.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
NO,
you have found the definition of the very disorder that I suffer from!!
Now, I just need some money & Tiger and I can spend a month “detoxing” together.
by Don From Prov on Apr 5, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw a documentary about
the business world. One scene shows a bldg. in Britain: “Serious Fraud Office.”
As opposed, I imagine, to the Office of Semi-Serious Fraud.
Or, The Office of Possible Fraud.
P.S. I believe that one of the small Scandinavian countries already has, or is the process of, gathering the DNA info of everyone in the country.
by Don From Prov on Apr 5, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
you have found the definition of the very disorder that I suffer from!!
Yeah, I’ve been known to display a few of those symptoms myself lately. Might be due for a tall glass of Soma.
As opposed, I imagine, to the Office of Semi-Serious Fraud.
Or, The Office of Possible Fraud.
P.S. I believe that one of the small Scandinavian countries already has, or is the process of, gathering the DNA info of everyone in the country.
It might be wind up a draw, actually. Both men were practically psychic when it came to predicating the worst about modern society. As Orwell predicted, language has been mangled and watered down to the point where all meaning has gotten sucked out of it. No one ever “lies” anymore, it’s all just misunderstandings and relative truths. And as The Hux predicted, medical/scientific industries have replaced individualism and the human soul with a series of disorders, complexes and imbalances. Hordes of prescription-drug zombies clog the health system, and frightening numbers of young schoolchildren (especially rambunctious boys) are having their minds bent by drugs to suit an increasingly narrow concept of “normal” supplied by the drug dealers themselves.
Having read them, I wish both Orwell and Huxley were not as smart as they turned out to be. It’s a real horror show out there right now, and something has got to give.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Best
to take the dog for a jog. Close the blinds and read.
Do no more than smile at people run into at the gym or grocery.
Never give them the illusion they can assume intimacy.
If all else fails seek employment at the Just Fucking Around Fraud Office.
by Don From Prov on Apr 5, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Old Yank?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 6, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Could you please put up a link to this info?
Or, even better, my facebook page is in my profile, could you send it as a message, since I can access that from my phone?
Cheers :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
the author of such claims his or her thinking to be descended from Nietzche.
Now this gets me annoyed. Nietzsche was the man, all the rest are just pretenders. Nietzsche KO’s Foucault in 6.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 5, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Is an odd and wonderful boxing blog if we can have these kind of discussions.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 5, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nietzsche: “God is dead!”
God: “So is Nietzsche.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
“LMAO” What next? Peace out?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 6, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
I know. But one cannot avoid some “language” of the medium.
I still refuse to employ that smiley face crap.
And I will never accuse someone of being a hater.
by Don From Prov on Apr 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I love you guys. Seriously.
I came back to this thread, and have been laughing my nuts off all the way through.
I especially liked Jrok’s God/Nietszche comment, and also DC’s “Nietzsche KO’s Foucault in 6.”
It’s a pleasure to converse with you guys. :)
Now, back to the dissertation…… :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Same more about that dissertation….. where, what, when,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 10, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll send you a copy when it's done, if you like.
It’ll bore you to tears, but I might throw in the word ‘malefic’, just for you… :)
Not sure I’ll get ‘molar-rattling’ in there though…. ;) ;)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
God no.
I did one once for my PhD. That and two cents got me some Fleers Double Bubble gum back in the day, but they can never take the thing away from me. Go for it and finish it. Still, it sounds far more difficult than mine which was on the subject of “Major Corprate Accounting Scandals.”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 10, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, but yours sounds more interesting... :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
People nearly always think that
About eachother’s dissertations! Well, except the ones about the economies of farming…
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 12, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but his has got SCANDAL!!
Nothing like a good scandal.
What are you working on at the moment, DC?
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Doing my history dissertation on
To what extent Robert E. Lee deserves to be remembered as a great General and my English one on how Arthur Miller makes his tragic heroes appear admirable, and how successful he is in doing this.
Of course these are both only 4,500 words and don’t have to be nearly the same standard as yours so I’m taking it kind of easy right now with my redrafting.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 12, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't General Lee a car?
I’d be a very fine upstanding citizen if Jessica Simpson was crawling all over my bonnet…. :)
Never read Arthur Miller, so I know nothing about that.
Or the actual General Lee, come to mention it.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Well Lee was a Confederate General who was arguably a mastermind and a genius
But you can also argue that he got lucky a lot and was made to look better than he really was by the incompetence of some of the Union Generals. I’m taking the more conventional, former stance, mainly because it’s far easier to write about!
Miller is great, I have very little but praise for him!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean you bottled taking the controversial line? ;)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Well I do agree with the conventional line
But I suppose you could say that! I’m too lazy to be in any way radical.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem is that General Lee
lost but we are still fighting the war.
I suppose we’ll never stop. Though—
I’d like it if they let Tex-ass secede like they say they want.
P.S.—Is that too political?
by Don From Prov on Apr 13, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully not!
From studying the history of America rather a lot I am beginning to wonder if secession might not have been a bad idea for a few of the states. However I’m not really qualified to comment as I don’t live there, and I don’t hold a PhD in the stuff, yet.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet?!!
Are you planning to go that far?
I can’t wait to get done with my degree!!
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
For some reason I've always wanted one
I think its so I can call myself Doctor and annoy all the real M.Ds.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Mad you are....
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
You wouldn't need the PhD, DC
if you did live here for a while in order to see that we could easily let a few states go their own way—for a while. They’d be asking back in very shortly.
by Don From Prov on Apr 13, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
From wikepedia
“When Floyd Mayweather Jr. turned pro in 1996, Roger Mayweather turned his attention away from his boxing career and focused more on being Mayweather Jr.‘s trainer. Roger trained Mayweather Jr. until early 1998, when Floyd Mayweather Sr. was released from prison and became Mayweather Jr.’s trainer. However, soon after Mayweather Jr. defeated Gregorio Vargas on March 18, 2000, Mayweather Jr. fired Mayweather Sr. as his trainer and brought Roger back.”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 1, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions
Still
At the end of the day, it was Floyd’s dad that taught him 90% of what he does today, ingraining the movements into his kinesthetic memory.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Boxing philosophy of the brothers
I would venture to guess that the two brothers have a similar boxing philosophy though. They appear to do alot of the same things in training.
Well, one reason I would pick Brother Nazeem over Roger is that I could actually understand the words he is saying to me. It’s loud enough in that corner without having to decipher whatever alien language Uncle Roger is speaking half the time.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Apr 1, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Symbiosis
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
Front and Center: Brother Nazim (Naseem) Richardson (article I did many months ago)
…our camp usually runs smooth with Bernard because of his lifestyle. He comes to camp in great shape, so there’s never really any concern about weight. It’s just about preparing him for the task that lies ahead…—Nazim Richardson
…he’s (Richardson) not trying to change me or trying to switch up, just recreating all the stuff that I already know…You know with Nazim, he trains fighters that are amateurs and professionals. So he has both backgrounds and sometimes when we turn pro we start forgetting different things about some of the things that got us to where we were at as the champions. —Sugar Shane Mosley (from Dave Sholler, January 23, 2009, caller.com)
When Sugar Shane Mosley entered the ring against Antonio Margarito, it was with an unfamiliar face in his corner, new trainer Brother Nazim Richardson. But savvy boxing fans knew that this was the same trainer who devised the strategy that worked so well for 43-year old Bernard Hopkins when he upset Kelly Pavlik last year.
Richardson, who trains his son, the streaking Rock Allen (14-0), has been a member of the Hopkins team for some time and had taken over for Bouie Fisher (who ostensibly had been fired by Hopkins prior to the second Jermaine Taylor fight). However, when he suffered a slight stroke, he was replaced by Freddie Roach to handle Bernard’s fight with Winky Wright.
With Richardson back and in "The Executioner"’s corner against the favored Pavlik, Hopkins, with his incomparable ring savvy, fought a disciplined and focused fight beating Pavlik to the punch throughout and winning convincingly.
Mosley’s win over the Tijuana Tornado was a total bloodletting He also came in disciplined and totally focused (despite seemingly daunting distractions), throwing repeated rights mixed with fast combinations, and outworking Margarito to the body. Then, when Margarito went after him, Sugar Shane would tie him up preventing any sustained attack. In short, he exploited Margorito’s one-dimensional attack right up until the devastating and shocking end.
Thus, Richardson, heretofore a low-profile but highly respected boxing man out of Philadelphia, has now guided two fighters to monster wins that were marked by their strategic excellence. And two wins in which his fighters won virtually every round. With great technically sound boxers like Mosley and Hopkins, Richardson didn’t have to overhaul anything nor teach them much of anything; he found holes in their opponents and then tweaked and adjusted as necessary. He sure knew how to do it. While both Pavlik and Margarito had youth, power, and workrate on their side, Richardson deftly muffled those advantages by exploiting their weaknesses of lack of speed and versatility.
Curiously, not much comes up when one googles Boxrec Boxing Encyclopedia under Nazim Richardson; heck, I couldn’t even come up with a photo of Brother Nazim.
Look for that to change.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
enjoyed reading, rec’d.
Anything in the archives on Roger? ;) Might have a look myself too…
Am going to get into the argument closer to the time on Moseley-Mayweather, I really think it could be closer than the general consensus has it. I feel like I’m in a small minority because both the devout PBF fans and more balanced observers see that only going one way, but it’ll be extremely interesting to see what strategy Nazim gives Moseley to go in with and how he adjusts.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
“adjust” is the operative word.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 3, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
;)
probably.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
nazim
I concur with your post. Nazim being a great trainer will be talked about alot more after Shane beats Floyds ass on my 1st. When Shane fights with Nazim in his corner he is a completely different fighter than when his father is training him. Jack Mosley has to be the worst cornerman ive ever seen. It would be scary to think how good Shane could of actually been if he would have had someone actually teaching him the sweet science rather than just depending on his speed and power. Actually alot like Roy Jones, they were so fast that they actually never had to learn how to BOX. Shane having Nazim in his corner has rejuvinated his career.
by johnnyurrotten on Apr 10, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
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