Who Would Win Between a Boxer and a MMA?
In light of the soon-to-be James Toney fiasco...
Who would win...
Boxer vs MMA fighter? How many times in the last ten years have you heard that question?
Boxer vs Karate? How many times in the last 25 years has that been asked?
Boxer vs Wrestler? How many times in the last 50 years has someone asked that?
Acceptable answers to how many times have you heard those questions are as follow...
A Bunch. Too many. What's wrong with people?
Basketball player vs Volleyball player? How many times has that question been asked?
Baseball player vs Tennis player? How many times have you heard that question?
Huddler vs High jumper? How many times has someone asked that question?
Acceptable answers to how many times have you heard those questions, are as follows...
Never. What's wrong with people?
The definitive answer to who would win between a boxer and any of the above is...
A Boxer at Boxing.
A MMA fighter at MMA.
A Blackbelt at Karate.
A Wrestler at Wrestling.
And...
A basketball player at basketball.
A volleyball player at volleyball.
A Baseball player at baseball.
A Tennis player at tennis...ect...
Do you get it? They are all ridiculous questions. Any athlete at or near the top of their sport would destroy any athlete near or at the top of their sport, in their own game. Any MMA fan that says a George St. Pierre could compete with Arthur Abraham or Bernard or Kelly is quite dense (and is asking themselves what quiet dense is) or is ajenda driven.
And anyone who says Arthur Abraham or Bernard or Kelly wouldn't get smothered and tapped by a GSP is either an imbecile (and needs to google imbecile to see if it is a good or bad thing) or ajenda driven.
Any quality boxer's main defense is the ablilty to slip a punch. If you make it a habit to slip every jab or duck every hook, it will get you kicked in the head in MMA.
In the cage even the best strikers often throw punches walking foward instead of shuffling. You will get knocked down ten out of ten times if you do that in a ring. My main point is, when the rules change, so does the training and technique. As it does in basketball or volleyball or baseball or tennis. The question itself is invalid.
A more legitimate and interesting question would be...
Could the best MMA fighter in the world beat the #100 boxer at boxing in his weight class. Say Fedor boxing against Joe "Part-time Plumber" Johnson.
or
Manny vs the #100 MMA fighter at MMA in his weight class.
Manny vs Diego "The Part-Time Tatto Artist" Gonzalez.
Of course none of these would ever happen. But at least now you've got a discussion!
But the real question everyone wants to ask, but is to pc to voice is...
WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT, A BOXER OR A MMA FIGHTER?
There are no rules in a fight. There are plenty in MMA and Boxing. A fight takes place quickly and most of the time in close, close proximatry. It usually doesn't last very long, it happens in a burst. So the answer is pretty clear...
There is not one universal winner. It is between two men trained to fight. There is not the giant advantage that either has against a civilian which is, they know what to do when hit. Most civilians don't.
Simply, it comes down the the man himself, not what he is trained in.
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This is an emminently sensible argument you've made...
LOng overdue, IMO.
Cheers
I want a bigger juke-box.
Good stuff
Any time someone asks one of these ridiculous questions, I should just link to this post.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Good FanPost.
You pretty much nailed it.
I really think that with his stand up ability,Anderson Silva would do well in boxing and i would have picked him over Roy Jones when they were hyping a fight between the two a year or two ago.
Nice post.
I agree it’s kind of ludicrous to compare the two sports’ competitors like that, although it’s only natural to expect that fans of either sport will wonder how their favorites would perform against the boys on the next channel.
That said, we really don’t know a few things that we would need to know in order to even begin to answer this question. The biggest being: just how effective of a puncher is a boxer without his gloves on? For sure he can hit harder, but what happens to his defense when he loses the big shields that those gloves present? And if he’s without that aspect of his defense, what happens to his style? Mike Tyson would be more adversely affected (defensively, guys..just talking defense) by the lack of gloves than someone like Hearns, just due to how they hold their hands and the nature of their defensive techniques.
Anyways, I think it is pretty clear that the MMA fighter is more well-rounded, so you’d have to bet on him if athletic ability and overall skill are comparable. But boxers could be a whale of a lot more dangerous than people give them credit for. It would be interesting to find some of these things out, but you can’t really use people as guinea pigs.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Surely, it's significant..
that old boxers, past their boxing primes, sometimes go into MMA, not young ones?
I want a bigger juke-box.
by Randy Loathsome on Mar 5, 2010 10:00 AM EST reply actions
Toney and Mayorga being the exception
who else are you referring to?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Ray Mercer is the other prominent one
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
gross
he got choked out by kimbo freakin’ slice, then knocked out a former UFC champ
crazy
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
The money isn't nearly as good for main events
But is better for the undercards, far better. This means that once boxers ar eless able to secure big paydays in boxing due to their diminished stature, they can get a better deal in MMA, especially with the right hype.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
MMA
i used to be a snr Brown belt in judo doing it for about 15 yrs before a knee injury stopped me i would always favour a MMA fighter. Not because a boxer lacks any skill and could not get inside the MMA fighter and perhaps score a knock out but purely because when a boxer throws a punch you can use that momentum to throw them off balance to take them down then use arm locks or starngles to finish it quickly!
Just my opinion though!
I think the point of the article was that
Such an analysis is a bit pointless because the sports are so different.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
When a baseball pitcher really hurls one in, if the judo guy timed it right he could probably grab him by his throwing arm too, and chuck him on the floor and break his arm and defaecate on him.
See? Not such a pointless analysis now? lol
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
IF he timed it right -
otherwise he’d catch it in his gob and his teeth would decorate the bleachers. Point proven, I believe…. smug smile.
I want a bigger juke-box.
by Randy Loathsome on Mar 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what your point was....
But I don’t think you do either, so that’s ok… ;)
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
You too?
Darn! I was hoping you’d tell me….
I want a bigger juke-box. Telecasters rule the world - in the right hands. Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Mar 10, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Otherwise I's sick of this shite..
At boxing a boxer will win. At MMA an MMA might win – if he doesn’t get the f*ck knocked out. Simple. End of,
I want a bigger juke-box. Telecasters rule the world - in the right hands. Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
Guys, the real question is “Who wins a race – a dragster or an Indy car?”
But seriously, basketball and football skill positions have the best athletes. Those guys could be good at anything they set their mind to – and if you ask them what they would do differently if they could do it all over, they say play baseball! haha.
I dunno
But my greyhound will beat an MMA fighter any day – he’d be out in the time it takes for her to accelerate to 40 mph – 1.5 seconds.
I want a bigger juke-box. Telecasters rule the world - in the right hands. Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Mar 9, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Ironically, baseball is one of the few sports that a great athlete in basketball or football can’t assume he would have been good at even if he’d set his mind to it. The athletically gifted prospect who never quite learns how to hit is all too common a phenomenon in baseball. The hand-eye coordination and reaction time needed to become a great hitter are highly specialized skills, and you need a tremendous amount of them to be successful.
baseball
Right. I’d even go one step further when it comes to baseball. I believe baseball is the hardest sport to play at the highest level. The least amount of people could have played professional baseball. Skills can be developed in other sports, weight can be gained and such, but the hand-eye needed to hit a baseball at that level or to throw 90 cannot be developed. It can be honed, but you can either do it or not.
I don't really think it's possible to say
Very convinicing arguments could be made for several sports but to my mind saying that one sport is the hardest sport top play is as pointless as arguing about boxing vs MMA because different people have different gifts and the degrees of difficulty involved consequently alter.
Also an incredibly in depth knowledge of a large number of sports would be required to make a genuinely balanced assesment.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 10, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
In response to your two points;
1. JG states why he thinks baseball is the most difficult, and also the way which he believes it can be quantified:
“The least amount of people could have played professional baseball.”
I’m not saying I agree or disagree either with his statement about baseball or the logic behind his qualifying vehicle, but to dismiss it as simply “pointless” when he has both stated his opinion and also his rationale for believing it so is a little beneath you, DC. Think intelligently about what he is saying, as you normally do, and you’ll see that even if you disagree with the premise, the logic behind it isn’t too far-fetched. Again, I don’t necessarily agree with the conclusion JG has come to, but it’s a good way of thinking about the question. Or as Ashleigh Brillaint puts it; “I don’t have a solution, but I certainly admire the problem….” :)
2. This I agree with. :)
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Well you've got me there!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 11, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
One small quibble
It’s “agenda”. Just sayin’.
But the argument’s logic is unassailable. I can’t think of one MMA fighter who could stand and trade with a good boxer. It wouldn’t even be close.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
How much does Fedor weigh?
I only ask because that guy has a mental chin, and he’s not TOO shabby with his hands. I’m not saying he could beat the best guy of an equivalent weight, but maybe he could stand and trade with a guy who maybe didn’t have amazing power, or a great chin?
I don’t really know, which is why I’m kind of tossing it out there…. :)
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
I've purposefully restrained myself from this particular thread
after my first entry, but I think there are a few things to remember when even considering such a question.
First, MMA fighters train at boxing. Boxers do not train at the various components that make up MMA (aside from boxing, obviously). This doesn’t mean that MMA fighters are automatically superior to boxers, but what it does mean is the baseline ability for comparison would seem to favor the MMA fighter.
But it only seems that way…
MMA fighters use 4-5oz gloves, while boxers use gloves twice(?) that size. The impact of this difference canNOT be overstated. In MMA, if you eat fifteen hard punches to the head, you’re already on the stretcher en route to the hospital. If a boxer eats fifteen hard punches to the head, he’s probably closing in on the bell. For one round. Out of twelve.
In MMA, you can’t just plan to absorb massive quantities of headshots. If you do, you lose. In boxing, there’s really no way around getting hit in the head (unless you’re Manny Pacquiao). The size of the gloves makes an apples-to-apples comparison of skillset or ability kind of ridiculous. Pretty much the same as comparing an MLB veteran’s power with a regulation wood bat hitting regulation baseballs, to that of a softball star’s power with a juiced-up aluminum bat hitting extra-hardened softballs. There’s just not enough common ground to even begin the debate.
If for NO other reason than the above, any comparison of boxers and MMA fighters, and their respective abilities regarding hand-striking and overall combat ability, needs to be based almost entirely on cross-over results. Take the MMA fighters who have boxed as one group, and take the boxers who have fought MMA as the other. Normalize (to the best of your ability) the skill level of each group and see what comes up. The big problem with this approach is there simply isn’t enough of a sample to even get the hint of an analysis started. We need a few hundred fights on each side of the ledger before we really have a good idea.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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