Pacquiao v. Clottey: Ted the Bull's Breakdown
by Bad Left Hook on Mar 7, 2010 1:54 AM EST
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It's just past midnight on Sunday, March 7, which means we're starting Big Fight Week here at Bad Left Hook for the March 13 showdown between Manny Pacquiao and Joshua Clottey. Leading us off for seven days of coverage is Ted "The Bull" Sares with a breakdown and prediction of the fight.
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People have started doubting if I am ready for this deadly fighter but I keep telling them if he is good, I am better. If Pacquiao beats me, it won't be news but if I beat him, the whole world's attention would be on me.
--Joshua Clottey
Manny Pacquiao and Joshua Clottey will fight at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas on March 13 in what promises to be a competitive fight between two stars with the WBO welterweight title on the line. Joshua "Grand Master" Clottey is 35-3 with 20 KOs while Pacquiao is 50-3-2 with an impressive KO percentage of 68.5.
These two are skilled, have great heart, are great sportsmen, and represent their respective homelands with dignity and class, but enough of the niceties, let's cut to the chase.
Quality of Opposition
Manny has fought 10 fights against 5 guys who arguably have a shot at being inducted into the Hall of Fame. But he also fought and beat many other outstanding fighters with great records coming in. If you throw a dart at his list of opponents, you might, for example, hit South Korean Seung-Kon Chae (23-0), Mexican Oscar Larios (56-4-1), Thai Wethya Sakmuangklang (41-3), Thai Fashan 3K Battery (44-7-1), Thai Chatchai Sasakul (33-1), or Colombian Jorge Eliecer Julio (44-3).
Clottey's list of opponents, while impressive, does not begin to compare. It includes name like Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah, an aging Diego Corrales, and Antonio Margarito. He is coming off a split decision loss to Cotto, a fight in which he showed he can snatch defeat from victory as he failed to press his backtracking opponent.
Big edge to Manny here.
Common Opponents
Miguel Cotto is their only common opponent, and he was destroyed by Manny but let off the hook by Clottey. If Clottey was unable to force his will on Cotto, it's difficult to see how he can do it against Pac Man.
Clear edge to Manny.
Style
Pacquiao now possesses a full arsenal of weapons the qualitative content to which only Floyd Mayweather Jr. can stake claim. With his in-and-out whirlwind movement (reminicient of Aaron Pryor), effective jabs, fight-ending hooks from both hands, solid stamina, and a sound defense, there is little to criticize. As for speed, Pacquiao is flat out faster than Clottey in every way, particularly with his foot movement. Manny has more power as well, but the Ghanian's chin and all-around strength should offset that.
Clottey is the type of fighter who needs to be set before he can throw. Thus, Pacquiao's foot speed and movement are going to create big problems as he'll have a hard time planting his feet to mount any type of sustained offense. As well, Clottey is a strong defensive-minded fighter who is prone to take rounds off and maintain a low punch volume. Against the always active "Pac Man," this could prove fatal.
Chin
Manny has been hurt badly, but it occurred too far back to be meaningful in my view. Clottey has an almost impenetrable defense and an iron chin, but lacks one-punch knockout power.
Ring IQ
Both are savvy and experienced fighters, but Pacquiao has the edge as he can adapt to different situations faster. Clottey, on the other hand, showed an inability to adopt against Cotto--as he held back for some inexplicable reason and did not press the action? If a similar situation develops in this fight, Pacquiao will not be reticent and will jump on Clottey faster than you can say "Pinoy." Also, in his first step-up fight against Carlos Baldomir in 1999, he was disqualified for continual head butts. Clottey was winning the fight until the 10th round, where he was penalized two points for an intentional head butt. He was warned for leading with his head but did it again resulting in the referee stopping the fight and disqualifying Clottey. Not smart.
Intangibles
1) Momentum: Pac Man gets the clear nod. He is on a great streak of big wins (Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Diaz, Marquez, Barrera, Solis, Morales, and Larios). Clottey, however, is coming off a close SD loss, a TD over Judah, and wins over Jose Louis Cruz, Shamone Alvarez and Felix Flores. His 2006 UD loss to Antonio Margarito may well have provided all the blueprint Freddie Roach needs
2) Cuts: Manny is more prone to cuts, so the effectiveness of their respective cut men could play a key role here. Moreover, Clottey has been known to use the head as a third weapon so Pacquiao must be alert here.
3) Trainers and Camp: Freddie Roach vs. Clottey's somewhat unknown corner. The clear nod goes to Roach. Look, you don't argue with his kind of success. And to make matters worse, Clottey's coach is having US visa problems.
5) Weight: Pacquiao fighting at welterweight favors Clottey, though Pacquiao seems to take his strength with him as he moves up in weight. Edge to Clottey
6) Dimensions: Clottey has a naturally bigger frame, is taller and has the reach advantage. Edge to Clottey.
Outcome
I see "Pac Man" beating the "Grand Master" in a medium-paced fight in which Manny will exploit Clotteys weakness beginning in the mid rounds (but I don't see it happening the other way around). This exploitation will be enhanced by Pacquio's incredibly fast in-and-out movement accompanied by just about every punch in the manual-- and each thrown with malice aforethought-as he befuddles the Ghanaian and slows down his already slow stalk.
However, despite his superb performances against Cotto, Hatton and De La Hoya, I don't see him winning within the distance. Clottey is just too strong in my view. After a competitive start - maybe the first five rounds - I see Manny reaching cruising speed and begin to dominate, In the end, Clottey's trademark pressure and counter-punching will not be able to overcome Pacquiao's foot speed and quick-handed, sharp-punching attacks. Speed will be the decisive factor here and speed is what Manny Pacquiao is all about
I envision Pacquiao outworking Clottey and building an early lead, although possibly without landing a whole lot of hard, clean punches through Clottey's excellent guard. I'm going with Pacquiao by solid UD.
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Good Breakdown,Ted.
I agree.
Regarding Clottey’s ring IQ,my respect for him as a fighter went down in the Cotto fight with all of his complaing to the ref.He actually looked like he wanted out when Cotto slammed him to the mat.Maybe he was trying to get the ref to take a point away but,whatever,i was not impressed.
Pacquiao wide UD (possible stoppage between 9-12) for me.
How mentally tough
is Clottey? That was a question asked after the Margarito fight too.
by Don From Prov on Mar 8, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
i have my doubts about him after the Cotto fight.I know it doesn’t really relate to “ring IQ” but i definitely saw mental weakness there.That could contritbute to a Manny late stoppage,imo.
I haven’t seen the Margo/Clottey fight.What happened there Don?
Yeah Matt,
Ted basically nailed it: He whines. His hand was injured against Margarito, but Margarito claimed injuries as well. The difference was that Margartio bore down while Joshua seemed to want to quit at times.
by Don From Prov on Mar 9, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
He whines a lot. Very atypical for a Ghanian fighter. Kind of like JC Superstar at the end of his career.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Right--JC Superstar,
which was a bit of a shock, hearing Chavez whining.
by Don From Prov on Mar 9, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, most JC FANS COINVENIENTLY FORGET ABOUT THAT OR THE FACT HE QUIT ON THE STOOL A FEW TIMES.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 9, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
What was Clottey supposed to do in the Baldomir fight – grow wings and fly out of the ring? Because no matter what he did he was getting DQ’d. Baldomir pulled him towards him with his arm and basically gave him a kiss on the cheek. I’m not saying Clottey wasn’t using his head earlier in the fight, especially the one on the ropes. But the quick trigger DQ was absurd and everyone knows it.
Not to mention the fight was during the Clinton administration. To dock Clottey for having a low ring IQ for that love tap is a stretch. What was Pacquiao doing in 1999? Losing his title on the scale?
As far as quality of opposition goes, I don’t see how a flyweight fight with Chatchai Sasakul would do anything towards giving Pacman any kind of edge in a fight against a legitimate welterweight.
I like Clottey to win this fight. The problem is: how many rounds does he have to win to get his hand raised? 10? As you accurately described, Josh takes rounds and spells off. If he does that, even if he puts on a virtuoso performance, Manny will get his SD just like Cotto did and Arum’s wallet won’t take a hit.
by BabyBull1289 on Mar 7, 2010 4:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
As far as quality of opposition goes, I don’t see how a flyweight fight with Chatchai Sasakul would do anything towards giving Pacman any kind of edge in a fight against a legitimate welterweight.
I think he was making the point that it’s not just Pacquiao’s great or very good opposition, but also his vast range of tough and competent challenges along the way, which have helped to boost the wealth of experience which will help him beat Clottey.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 5:15 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you DC.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
But for every 112 pound titlist Pacman has faced, Clottey has fought a much (much) less talented true welterweight. I guess it is a matter of what you think prepares someone for a welterweight fight more: A guy like Marcus Primera who is largely devoid of skill but is 6’0, 74" or some of the flyweights Pac has been in with. There is something to be said for fighting world class opposition of course but there is also something to be said for being in there with guys at this size for 10+ years.
I guess that is what gives this fight a little bit of intrigue.
a fight’s a fight man. if pacquiao has fought better competition (which you seem to acknowledge) than it doesn’t matter which weight they fought at. yes i know that you are trying to say that clottey has fought stronger, bigger dudes, but that doesn’t equate to a better ring experience. pacquiao has fought and beat erik morales, barrera, and JMM all three of which are 1st ballot HOF, and the experience he got from those three fights alone is infinitely more useful than fighting a guy who is “largely devoid of skill” but so happens to fight at 147.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Correct.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
If he does that, even if he puts on a virtuoso performance, Manny will get his SD just like Cotto did and Arum’s wallet won’t take a hit.
Would you honestly describe what Clottey did against Cotto as a “virtuoso performance”?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Heavens no. Far from it. Her fought a stupid fighht IMO.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
How about we bet a banger and a pint
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
"Not to mention the fight was during the Clinton administration"
“Not to mention the fight was during the Clinton administration”-=-huh!!!!!!!!!!! what in God’s name does Clinmton have to do with Clottey getting DQ’D????
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I was wondering about that...
Did Clinton secretly arrange to have Clottey DQ’d?
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Considering
Clinton’s term-end frenzy of pardons, ANY conspiracy is possible here.
by Don From Prov on Mar 8, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
He was presumably trying to say it was years ago??
I want a bigger juke-box.
by Randy Loathsome on Mar 7, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I thought he might have meant that the fight SUCKED.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
….
Even in the unlikely/unreasonable circumstance you blame Clottey for being jobbed, he’s saying, it happened a damn long time ago, dated punnery aside. If you think it does matter, you might as have supported Mayweather in saying Pacquiao wasn’t the best because he got knocked out twice way back in, yes, the Clinton administration.
Yes. Now I see that.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hey man, Clottey is not busy enough. His punch volume against Cotto was not all that great. He gets into his turtle Turtle Shell defense and is hard to nail flush, but he really doesn’t return anything. This time, he has a whirling dirvish with which to contend—-a guy who beast Cotto in every way imaginable.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think Clottey is going to get schooled
And I like Clottey and think he is a very good fighter, Pacquiao is in a whole different league.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
I will say that if Diego Corrales is going to be considered on Clottey’s record to be “aging,” the same should definitely hold true for Pacquiao’s win over Oscar Larios.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
For me,aging means ring age. And Chico was getting old. I’ll stand by that.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
no, you're right about Chico
I just think Larios, who had himself taken a ton of punishment by then, should be in the same boat.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Yes, he probably should be, though that was before the slaughter from Linares.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
But Larrios had a very fine record going into the PAC fight.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
He was beaten up, though. He was a wonderful fighter to watch and a damn tough guy, and one of the most underrated of the era, IMO.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 8, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Chico had some miles on him
andwas coming up in weight.
IMO, that fight did not = an impressive performance on the part of Clottey.
by Don From Prov on Mar 8, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Pacquiao doesn't take for granted any opponent
To have a check in every Pacquiao’s fight done and won ,not in any one fight that he is reassuring people to defeat his opponent, much more so to knockout him out,but only a steady conviction of the reality of what he and Team Pacquiao are doing to him, to fight in a tip-top shape and win.His own faith in “God” ,put Pacquiao in that frame of thinking when it comes to a boxing match .He felt assured by the creator and he will just do the needed great human effort to put into it.Being without that psychological burden of proving anything great that he can do to defeat his opponent,clears his mental ability to focus in the training and more ,in the actual fight.Few boxer or fighter is a total focus during the fight.
pOINTS`ARE GOOD ONES,isidro.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Good Stuff Ted
The use of the head thing would be my biggest concern, The size thing, well, each time Manny moves up he usually looks bigger than his opponent and always looks solid at the weight. Not seen much off Clottey, but the common opponent (Cotto) scenario would have me think Manny should win this comfortbly too.
Thank, mate. Clottey tends to be less than multi-dimensiinal and less than a ring genius. I see Manny befuddling him with his speed. But Clottey is very strong, and I cannot see him get sgtopped, Hoever, after watching Urang get sent to Baranquilla Dreamland last night, anything is possible.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
the common opponent (Cotto) scenario would have me think Manny should win this comfortbly too.
I actually think that this should be the least of the factors for consideration in deciding who to pick for this fight, it may be cliche but styles do make fights and Pacquiao and Cotto are two very different fighters in this respect.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, but I reckon...
Pacman is more agressive than Cotto, so, it will be interesting to see how Clottey deals with that agression. As I said though, I’ve not seen much of Clottey…. so I could be off the mark.
by Phill on Mar 7, 2010 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Clottey is a typical Ghanian warrior in that he sticks to his opponent like glue. Ben T ackie is ther proto type. Problem with Clotteyy is that he forgot to do this againt Cotto and paid for it. Read my piece on “All Roads Lead From Accra.”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you on that one
I certainly san’t see how Clottey is going to deal with the hail of accurate and powerful punches from Manny unless he lands the shot of his life an KOs him.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
i’m sure mayorga would agree with you after the DLH fight. I BEAT FOREST WHO BEAT MOSLEY WHO BEAT DLH, therefore i will beat DLH!!!!!!!!!
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I could come up with a lot of these. Barkley beats Hearns, Duran beats Barkley, Herans waxes Duran, etc etc. The exception is not the rule.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
HHmmm, this is one of the few things I can sink my teeth into. Seems to me you are taking the rare exceptions and painting bruch with them as if they were givens. I’m not buying for one second.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but who is this addressing?
It can sometimes be hard to tell with the reply system on here.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
nOT YOU, MATE
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Clottey Style - 'prone to take rounds off'
Spot on Ted and I agree that this is simply not the style that is going to beat Pac. my gut feeling like your’s is that he is perhaps too strong for Pac to stop, but given the extent to which has exceeded all expectations over his last three fights – I wouldn’t be suprised if he does stop Clottey.
Agreed there!
If Pacquiao does stop Clottey I think it will be a mercy stoppage though, without Clottey even having gone down. Then again Pacquiao never fails to make me wrong in some way, even when I have picked him!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be
inclined to agree that if it’s a stoppage, a mercy stoppage is most likely.
by Don From Prov on Mar 8, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, anything is possible!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions
just finished watching road to dallas, and even though i’m about as big as a pacman fanboy as one can get i can’t help but to feel that clottey should win this. he seems like a good guy (though he has a bit of JMM-syndrome and whines about every loss whether justified or not), and i can’t believe a fighter of his caliber is living in that small apartment. whenever i think of good to great boxers i always imagine them living in a mansion or something, but damn.
well anywho as good as i think clottey is i’m sure pacquiao will win a very solid UD
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions
You likely are oine of the very few who is surprided that Pac will win by a solid UD. Why do you think otherwise? What are yopu using to back up up your opinion?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
not sure what you mean, Mr. Sares. You might have been confused by this
can’t help but to feel that clottey should win this.
i should have said that clottey “deserves” the win more. i think pacman will dominate, but clottey is a live dog though like many of you have said his tendency to go into a shell and lose rounds
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
And fighting Shamonr Alvarez is nopt quite like fighting Pac Man.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t really argue with the break down . Clottley’s good alright but he aint that good . I won’t be surprised if it goes 12 though .
It’s gonna take a Floyd to stop a Pac imo …or maybe not even a Floyd . Let’s hope we actuallly get to find out one day soon .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 7, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions
Damned if ya' do....
I seriously believe Manny is gonna’ stop Clottey in the last 1/3 of this fight, Pac is just too busy with too much speed. Joshua won’t be able to solve the riddle,..how do you score against the Pac without gettin’ the hell beat out of ya’. Whatever you do that son ofa’ buck is still comin’ at ya’ from somewhere ya’ just can’t quite figure out, he is always touchin’ ya’ and when he figures ya’ out,..he HURTS ya’. Love Clottey but he won’t hear the final bell,..then the doubters will be out in full force. Manny will be accused of takin’ everything from steroids and HGH, to A-side meth and LSD, the loudest noise will come from a certain dysfunctional family in Vegas. Oughta’ be quite colorful. Peace!!
yEAH, HE WILL BE ACCUSED OF THAT BY THOSE TWO IMBECILES WHOM WE BOTH KNOW, BUT THANKFULLY, THEY DON’TY POST ON THIS FINE SITE.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
the mayweather clan has gone on record saying that pacman uses PEDs, then said that it was PEDs but something called A-side meth which i think is a drug that the fillipino army used to use or something to make their soldiers impervious to pain.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 8, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Two morons from another site
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
The Atlas Effect
I was about to go with Pacman until I head Teddy Atlas’s opinion. He said Manny would go down once, but win a UD. Therefore, and with full knowledge of what I am about to say, I will go on record as giving Clottey the benefit of a much larger and stronger true WW body, and see him KO Pacman in the 8th round.
By the way, I bought me and three pals $300 tickets, then we got invited to a billionaires’ luxury suite. I’ll be eating and drinking away with some big shots Saturday night. And we’re stuck with $1200 worth of tickets.
You are a very lucky man!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Kool
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Teddy said that? OH OH.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions
Roach knows more than Atlas
I want a bigger juke-box.
by Randy Loathsome on Mar 7, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, probably
He is certainly more clear and eloquent. And less crazy…
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Roach is scarily shrewd
Atlas is a man named Teddy
I want a bigger juke-box.
by Randy Loathsome on Mar 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Back tomorrow. I’m on the road.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 7, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I like Atlas but he’s frequently off the mark with his predictions.
He picked Hatton to beat Mayweather FFS!
Yeah it's hard to see a guy as credible after a thing like that
Fischer picking Marquez over Mayweather is a good example of this to me!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Fischer is more reliable when the fight doesn’t involve mayweather or Valero. He has an unnatural hatred for Mayweather and a ridiculous mancrush on Valero. However when he isn’t completely emotionally invested in the fight, he tends to be pretty good.
to be fair...
mayweather is sort of a huge dick to the media, which not being in the media I find funny, but could understand why media members would feel that way. Actually, Shane Mosley (who has lost 5 times) isn’t always so kind to the media, but he is infinitely nicer than Mayweather.
It Shouldn't
stop them from telling it like it is and giving credit where it is due,as professionals.
They should keep thier personal feelings to themselves.
Fischer’s jock riding of Valero is sickening,imo.
At least he actually acknowledges how biased he is
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Even in his mailbag where he is supposed to be opinionated, he still either opines for Valero or rails on Mayweather for at least two to three entries. I used to really like his stuff but the repetition has gotten to be too much for me. When he writes an article or talks about an upcoming fight not involving the gruesome twosome, he is great and usually has decent insight. I talked to him before the Ward-Kessler fight and he seemed like a good dude, of course i didn’t bring up Mayweather or Valero. If I see him at the upcoming Ward-Green fight I’ll try to bring it up.
I know what you mean about the repitition
He also always managed to put in two or three messages massively complimenting him and then did a little modesty act.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 8, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
yeah it shouldn't
but if someone is a pain in your behind, it is often hard to separate their performance from your feelings for them.
But he can break a fight down really well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I meant Atlas.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Just watched the Road to Dallas
The most interesting part of it was that Clottey likes to peruse boxing websites at night and look at the analysis of his upcoming fight. Meaning that the “Grand Master” is watching you. I wonder if he has a login…..
this is why i was brown nosing clottey in my previous comment in this thread. SC should do an IP check, and see if any of our visitors are viewing from hollywood, florida
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
If SC is cunning and Clottey isn't
Then we could theoretically find out not just if Clottey has been looking at this site, we could even find out from where down to a pretty precise area. Oh and that would be perfectly legal, the internet scares me a little at times!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Mar 7, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
SC is a linguist as well
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you know you’re a pimp if you can make a rap pun work
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
rap allusion/pun?
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Oh oh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Clotteys Poor Style For Beating Southpaws
GDay Ted , fellas. Another clever piece of matchmaking by Freddie Roach .The two things that I look for when picking an orthodox fighter to beat a typical southpaw are A. How good is his right hand , especially as a lead or as a counter ? Clotteys right hand is very mediocre , he is a left dominant fighter same as Cotto , De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton B. How mobile , technically correct and speedy is the footwork of the bloke facing the southpaw ? Clotteys footwork is average at best . Roach is very clever in selective fighters for Manny who have weaknesses against lefties . Manny on points . I do think Clotteys defensive abilities and unwillingness to really mix it up will help him . He has to work on using his jab and moving to his right away from Mannys left but the danger then is Pacs much improved right hook . Cheers Blokes
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions
Clear cut win for Manny
Hurricane in New Orleans, Earthquake in Haiti… about to be a Typhoon in Dallas March 13th. Haha.
This fight is just as intriguing as a Striker vs Grappler matchup. I am psyched for this card, personally. Not because I’m a Pacquiao fan; which I’m not. I just don’t see how a slow marching fighter like Clottey with huge power will get his hands on Pacquiao who will be in and out of the pocket.
I don’t see Pacquiao winning by any form of knockout, UD — most definitely. Pacquiao will be throwing from a myriad of angles, angles Clottey won’t see coming. His only defense would be to turtle up and hope Pacquiao stops throwing so he can get a punch in edge-wise. If by chance Pacquiao manages to land that that one good shot that may inevitably stun Clottey, as unlikely as it will be to happen, will Pacquiao have the ability to drive the nail into the coffin…..on Clottey?
In these type of fights with Pacquiao, I just don’t like seeing him face a Boxer with a big punch and a slower pace. Boxers like Clottey are tailor made for Pacquiao’s style. It will be a big in & out fight for Pacquiao because Clottey just won’t be able to touch him.
Pacquiao; winner by lopsided UD.
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a slow marching fighter like Clottey with huge power
Where are people getting this “huge power” from Clottey? He’s got an “eh” KO rate and has one stoppage in the last 5 1/2 years.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 8, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
they probably see how buff clottey is, and assume that he can knock the moon out of the solar system with one punch
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 8, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
Josh is no Quartey calibre puncher. Unquestionable toughness, naturally, but Pac’s too much fighter ; you hit him, he hits you back with a harder combo. Showed maturity in the Cotto fight too – when to step on and off the gas without giving ground – an aggressive thinker. Manny UD.
Pacquiao v Quartey – dream fight.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
See above: Clottey's
mentaltoughness has been questioned—and with fair reason, IMO—before.
by Don From Prov on Mar 8, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Dat be true
and Manny will ask those questions every round.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Right
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
yes
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Like almost all, if not all of you, Im picking Pac by wide UD. The speed will be a huge diffrence and Clottey’s style isnt going to help matters. I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac does some how stop Clottey before the final bell, but I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise.
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Ali
Solid post!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Midnight Rambler
Awesome fight lay out man.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
good night Loathsome
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions
Excellent read by man Ted. Great job.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
Thanks, Violent!,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
That’s one hell of an avatar from Violent Demise .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions
White snot?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Praise to Sir Sares for a great call
Ted, it is such a pleasure to share in your work and give you feedback, it is good to hear you brilliant analysis and thank you for keeping me posted. On the overall I agree with that which you have presented. I would like to think that we are in for a great match up which will yield great attendance and an exciting encounter to recall for the years to come. However such a task sir remains in the realm paralleled with Pacquio and Clottey. You analysis has been brilliant and unbiased; this is what we need a fair and objective assessment that you have provided.
Common sense tells me, that Pacman wins by UD however boxing is full of suprises and it is for those reason that we are still drawn to this match up.
Damn, it’s great to hear from you, mate.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ted's on target as usual, what else is new????
Well done Ted. Everything you say makes complete sense and I have the same conclusion. Pac. may get the ko though if Clottey can’t see punches coming, and that’s what’s been happening to all opponents as of late, but Clottey has a much better defense than the past 5-6 victims.
Yes, Clottey has a great clam -like defens
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions
Pacquiao - Clottey
Sounds about right, Ted. Good job, as usual.
Dan Adams
Thanks, Dan
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Great job Ted! But I disagree
I must be the only one thinking logically here. Clottey is a harder style match up for the Pac Man, and I think he is going to lose by SD. Clottey is bigger and a very good counter puncher, this will be by far the biggest and strongest fighter that he has ever faced. And the skill level is not that big, to make up the size difference in my opinion. Clottely could easily fight at 154 and maybe at 160, and he was looking at fighting Williams at 154. I just think that Pac Man will not be able to hurt Clottey and once that happens Clottey is going to walk down Manny and hurt him with body shots.
PS- Cotto, Hatton, had more fights at 140 and were not big at 147’s. I have said it once and I will say it again PBF would have been a better style match up and PBF is smaller than Clottey (although is skill level is much higher). Clottey in 12.
Hmmm. I sure hope you are wrong, mate.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Cotto, Hatton, had more fights at 140 and were not big at 147’s
Pacquiao fought Hatton at 140.
Clottely could easily fight at 154 and maybe at 160
Clottey would be a midget at 160, but he’d probably make top 10 in the weak division if he carried the weight OK. His massively overrated power would be totally negligible at that weight, though. He’d have to do it all on defense and smarts. But I’d pick him to beat Sebastian Sylvester.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Mar 9, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Point taken
I know that the Hatten fight was at 140 I was just trying to make the point that his past fight have been vs smaller guys.
Still the same, I think this is going to be a harder fight for much less glory. Kind of like being an All-American wrestler or an All-American football player. All- American football player get a parade, All-American wrestler gets ring worm.
Thanks, Pug
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Irony might prove different for both PBF and Pac Man
They should have fought each other “.” Now they both will lose or maybe the boxing Gods will have mercy on them and let them both win and we can have our super fight!
Or the boxing Gods may be watching MMA make all their top guys fight each other and have no mercy on boxing.
an easy win for Pacquiao
Your prdiction is so accurate my man. I predicted that Pacquiao will wint the fight by UD or the late TKO and he almost made it in round 11 but the belt saved Clottey from more punishments. From now on Clottey should learn how to throw more punches in a round if he wants to improve his fighting style since the judges don’t give their points to the defense. First I thought that the fight could be a competitive fight but it didn’t.
Clottey has no counter punch
This fighter from Ghana doesn’t know how to trade punches with his opponents. He just waits for his opponents to stop firing at him and then he will fire back. This is so stupid! You can only do the thing like this with grade B fighters. You block the punch well and wait for the oppunity to throw your punches back so it’s too late because your opponent isn’t there to take your punches. See what I mean?
Correct
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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