Khan to face Magic Man
by Big_al79 on Mar 9, 2010 6:23 PM EST
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Just saw this on Sky sports ! thought id share it with you all!
i think it will be a good fight two quick guys going at it is always good in my opinion!
Whats do you guys reckon on this and who do you think will edge it ?
I am going for khan i think he is a little to quick for Pauli but i see it as an interesting tussle !
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12040_6011392,00.html
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Paulie will shatter his hand when his jab is blocked by Khan’s glove. A microscopic bone fragment from Paulie’s hand will hit Khan in the chin and KO him.
by Verklemptomaniac on Mar 9, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Fight’s been all but done for weeks now. It makes sense for both of them. Should be a good fight. I favor Khan.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Khan by mid to late stoppage, I think.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Why?
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 10, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think SC summed it up.
Basically, although I respect Paulie’s chin, I can see a mercy stoppage around round 10 or 11 because Khan will learn early (like Hatton did) that Paulie represented no knockout worries. If Khan then reverts (as I think he will) to search and destroy, then Paulie will only be able to stay away for so long (Khan is rather quick, too…), and accumulated punishment will drive the RSF result, I believe.
Then again, I could well be completely wrong.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
I want to say I can’t see Khan stopping Paulie, who has an excellent chin. But if Freddie has Khan attacking because they don’t fear Malignaggi’s power, with the punishment that Paulie’s taken over the years, I can see it.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Roach knows the score
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by Randy Loathsome on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions
Ticket sale info
From the official site:
World Championship Boxing: Khan vs. Malignaggi
May 15 at The Theater at MSG
Tickets go on sale, Tuesday, March 16 at 12:00 pm.
Amex and venue presale starts this Friday at 12:00pm
I’m hoping Paulie has enough power to make Khan respect him.
by Polish Rifle on Mar 10, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
My sister probably packs enough power
To make Khan respect her!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I like Khan in this one but only just
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 10, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions
Your turn...
Why?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Well
I think that Malignaggi relies nearly completely on being faster than his opponent to outbox them, an advantage he will not have in this fight. Also, as had been said, even Khan won’t have to worry much about getting hurt so will be able to try different things and adapt to what works and what doesn’t.
Also there’s the Roach factor and the fact that Khan’s “pure” boxing ability is second to none in the junior welterweight division.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 11, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
After the other night, I’m not sure I wouldn’t pick Alexander over Khan with regard pure boxing ability. Alexander really impressed me, and no-one has ever hit Urango that hard before. I might even take Bradley over Kahn in that regard too, since I don’t necessarily think that speed and technique alone make up ‘pure’ boxing ability; the ability to hit hard, balance well, defend well and read a fight properly are also parts of that equation, and Bradley isn’t too bad at any of those things….
I think right now, I’d take Alexander over Bradley too. He really looked that good to me.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
"Pure boxing" is indeed a very ambiguous term
I would certainly pick Bradley and Alexander to beat up Khan. Not so sure about who would win between the two of them. Alexander looked really good againt Urango but Bradley impressed a lot too in his fight with Peterson. In my opinion Peterson is the notably tougher matchup, but Alexander’s win was executed in a more impressive fashion.
I reckon I would lean towards Bradley but it needs some thinking about! One thing’s for sure though; it would be a very fun fight to watch!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 11, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was kind of hinting that if you ask me right now I'd take Alexander-
but that’s because he fought so recently and his fight is still so fresh in my mind.
If I step back from it; (takes a breath)
I still kind of think Bradley has too much. Just. About 55% of the time. Maybe.
We’ve seen some massive wins over guys who have withstood mental punishment recently… Andrade, Urango… I find them all (these kind of wins) really impressive. Alexander’s uppercut was one of the most shocking I’ve seen in a while. In the same way I didn’t think anyone south of HW could stop Andrade, I also didn’t think I’d see Urango stopped any time soon at LWW. Amazing shot, great win.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
So I guess I'm saying I'm still on the tide of shock, and that might sway me at the moment. :)
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Although, I should add;
I wasn’t asking why you’d pick Khan, as I also pick Khan, as does, well, everyone really. I was more interested in why you said “only just”….
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Well they are rather similar in the way they box
And I don’t think Khan does what he does that much better than what Malignaggi does. However Khan does do it better and when we have the other factors added in, like Malignaggi’s brittle hands and the genius of Freddie Roach, it seems to tip the scales in Khan’s favour, but there’s still no aspect of this fight which makes me see it as anything like a certain win for Khan.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 11, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
you could also add in where they are in terms of their career,
Paulie, although not old is not gunna get too much better than where he is now, where’s it’s the opposite for Khan, in a training camp with Roach for every fight and at the young age, he’s gunna be learning.
To add on what you say, you can never underestimate the infulence Roach will have on a fight
by Sweet science on Mar 11, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Plus- Khan can bang.
I don’t like him, but I admit what I see, and he can punch when he wants to.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
How does Khan deal with speed?
Can Khan really deal with a guy with Paulie’s speed? Sure Khan can punch but the whole point of Paulie’s style is to avoid that type of fight. I guess Khan is pretty fast too but Paulie is a huge step up from Kotelnik. Paulie is too fast for the Khan-Kotelnik type of fight and too good of a chin for the Khan-Salita type of Khan. I like Paulie in this fight because he is battle-tested and Khan is more battle-scarred. I like Paulie in a close decision because of Khan’s youth and frustration getting in the way even though he might be the better fighter.
I agree.
Plus younger,plus much better offensively and has more power.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Paulie
is slippery and awkward,hard to nail and has good whiskers when you do get through but Khan punches in combination faster than anyone at 140 and at least half of them will find the target,imo.
It may take a few rounds,but with limited firepower coming back,Khan and Roach will work him out for the UD or late stoppage.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I am looking forward to this fight though.
Good matchup.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Matt.. Agreed.
If Amir can get his quickfire combos off often enough and force Paulie to kind of stumble backwards, or even deck him, the ref may step in. You never know.
by Phill on Mar 12, 2010 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do take notice of what most are saying about his chin though.
I really want him to do well because i think he is one of the most talented young fighters in the world,but being dropped by Willie Limond is not a good sign.
Many a top fighter has been dropped by an inferior opponent though.
Look at Ali with Henry Cooper and Sonny Banks.
Maybe too much is made of it.Sometimes it can just be a lapse in concentration and though you can’t put muscle on the chin,i think you can improve your punch resistance through your mental strength.
His chin is sure to be tested again at some point,by much harder punchers than Limond.
Maybe Paulie can stun him?I doubt it but a with a well placed,well timed punch,you never know.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
It annoys me a bit when some go on and on about his chin.
He’s performing to the best of his ability under Roach and if he can reach the top with a dodgy beard,i have all the more respect for him.
It means he will ahve proved the doubters wrong and done it by using boxing ability.
Plenty of fighters with dodgy chins have had successful careers – Tommy Hearns,Lenny Lewis,etc.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Agree partly, disagree partly.
On one hand, his chin is really bad. Yes Ali was dropped by an inferior opponent in Cooper, but Cooper could punch. Many elite fighters have been knocked down (or even out) through the years by inferior fighters who swing for the fences and occasionally get lucky. But not many elite fighters have been knocked down by guys who can’t punch, regardless of whether they’re inferior overall or not.
On the other hand, I agree that it’s unfair for people to crap on Khan for his chin. He can’t help it that his chin is bad. It isn’t a product of some sort of character flaw, it’s a physical flaw that he just happened to be unlucky enough to inherit. If he can succeed in spite of it, then that’s actually quite a testament to him as a competitor. The only boxers who should be mocked are the ones who fail because they don’t work hard or lack guts or make mental mistakes. Boxers who fight in spite of physical imperfections should, if anything, be admired.
That’s my main point TP.
If it was something he could change about himself,then the criticism might be fair but fighter’s who are lazy and/or underachievers,for example are the ones who are more deserving of criticism.
It’s not like Khan has done anything wrong.
I wish him all the best.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
that Limond was/is a light puncher.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's as bad as everybody makes out
everybody say’s its damm awful. Don’t get me wrong, it isn’t great, but it has improved. He’s stepped up to LWW, so he’s not getting down to a weight he struggled with (Don’t forget he’s got a massive frame for a Lightweight) and I remeber Roach talking about bulcking his legs up and taking it off his chest. If the chin goes he’s still got his legs.
Earlier in his career he would just walk onto punches, making lots of mistakes, chin high in the air, he doesn’t do that anywhere near as much now.
b4 i get bashed, il say again, it isn’t a great chin, but it has improved.
by Sweet science on Mar 12, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
He’s stepped up to LWW, so he’s not getting down to a weight he struggled with
He’s also going to be getting hit harder. Also draining to make weight doesn’t really affect the chin that much.
Limond has a 22% KO rate against low level opponents, Khan’s chin is terrible.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 13, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
Many a top fighter has been dropped by an inferior opponent though.
Look at Ali with Henry Cooper and Sonny Banks.
Cooper may have had his faults but a lack of hitting power was not one of them. If he hit any heavyweight right they could go down.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 12, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I don’t blame him for getting knocked down or stopped by Prescott. Prescott can bang if nothing else, and it really is nothing else, plus Khan just walked right into it. But Limond is a whole other ball of wax. I don’t think Wladimir Klitschko’s weak chin has actually gotten better, either, he’s just become a better boxer. Khan is like a little Klitschko, and could very well dominate with his tools so long as he avoids getting hit much.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 13, 2010 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
Hell yeah
speed kills as well and his hands are lightning. If Roach could maybe get him to sit down on his shots a tad more then their will be real venom there
by Sweet science on Mar 12, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Khan
is punching more than hard enough,imo.
Thats the least of his worries.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Paulie can make you look bad,
but it’s not like the fight is going to take its toll on Khan’s body. All-around a good matchup for Khan, one that could help establish him as an upper-tier guy.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I’m taking Kahn based on the “Roach Factor.”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions
A very good factor it is too!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 13, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
not a better trainer factor out there at this point
Freddie is a genius. It might seem overstated, but the guy flat-out knows what he’s doing as a coach.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
I still can't pick between Roach and Richardson.
The game-plans Richardson gave to Hopkins (vs Pavlik) and Mosley (vs Margarito) were awesome. They look so simple in retrospect, but I didn’t really give either guy a chance in those fights, and Nazim made them do what they could, no more, and use their strengths in ways that made their opponents (both of whom were heavy favourites AND titleists) look like bums.
Roach has done the same with Pacquaio, and has started to have a real effect on Khan, but one thing did bother me in the Salita fight; Roach told Khan to hold back, even when he’d knocked Salita down the first time. He specifically told Khan NOT to go gung-ho, NOT to assume he was going to do what he then (admittedly) did. This isn’t a slur on Roach, but it served as a little warning to me that Khan, for all his fawning and the superlatives that tumble out of his mouth when talking about LA, the Wild Card, Pacquaio, and Roach, still believes that he knows best. On this occasion he was right, but the last time a corner-man told him to box from the outside and he went kamikaze he got knocked out by Prescott. I don’t see Freddie putting up with a guy who won’t listen for too long, especially in the current boxing climate where Roach is worth approximately 14 thousand times his weight in gold…..
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Hmm
I think Khan will probablt become better at listening to orders and instructions as he matures, and as it becomes glaringly obvious that Freddie knows best.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd better, or he might step intot he ring and see Freddie in the other corner in the not too distant future....
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Khan by UD, but
I’m gonna sit on the fence a bit on this one Chaos – I think Khan probably wont stop Paulie and could even see Malignaggi winning on points.
I think if Khan passes this test and then does well against a big puncher people will really sit up and take notice !
I see your logic.
I still say, Roach or no Roach, Maidana will ‘Prescott’ (it’s my new favourite verb, but I can#t make up my mind if I thikn it suits Breidis or John more….) him, and I’d expect Bradley or Alexander to re-introduce him to the canvas too.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
This John Prescott?
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 19, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions
To 'John Prescott' him
Like it mate ! Yep it’s a distinct possibilty !
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