Fight Preview: Roy Jones Jr. v. Bernard Hopkins II
17 years is a long time damn time to wait for a rematch. But that's what has happened with bitter rivals Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins, who first fought as relative youngsters back in 1993, and on Saturday night, will do it again at ages 41 and 45, respectively.
I know it's a $50 PPV. I know the undercard stinks. I know that 98% of us believe this fight is a farce, a travesty, an indication that Hopkins and Jones don't really care about anything but themselves. I know it's not happening when it should have, which is about 10 years ago. I know, and I agree with all of the naysayers. This fight, as a PPV, reeks. This fight overall sort of reeks. Hopkins claims to still be one of the best in the sport, but his last fight was with middleweight fringe contender Enrique Ornelas, and this one is with the completely shot Jones, who probably isn't even top 20 at light heavyweight anymore.
In most ways, this fight is a sham, and only marginally better than that last Azumah Nelson-Jeff Fenech fight.
But hear me out. I think this fight might well be very good, and I think we might be getting Jones-Hopkins at the only time where the fight itself was going to be much of a crowd pleaser.
I'm not suggesting anyone rush out and pay $50 for this, but I look at this matchup right now and I see two limited fighters who really don't like each other. Yeah, it's a money fight, but there is also the fact that it's a serious grudge match. Bernard and Roy do not get along. They are not pals outside the ring. They can barely fake their way through those silly "debate" press conferences they set up.
The last time I saw a couple of fairly limited fighters who really didn't like each other go at it, Antonio Escalante and Mickey Roman put on a war on ESPN2. That's an unfair comparison, I know. Escalante likes to bang and Roman has no clue what the hell this "defense" is that his trainer keeps talking about in the gym. They're also both in their oat sowing years still, which B-Hop and RJJ definitely are not.
So instead I jump over to MMA for a comparison. Last August, UFC 102 was headlined by Randy Couture and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, a couple of elder statesmen. Nogueira was only 33 at the time, but his best years are certainly behind him and he's taken a mountain of punishment over his career.
Couture-Nogueira was seen by most as a fight that would have been epic years ago, but now was just between a couple of guys past their primes. A lot of MMA fans slept on the fight.
They missed an instant classic. Couture and Nogueira fought each other like they were both 23 years old and had everything in the world to prove. There was no personal dislike there, but two professional titans went head-to-head. It felt almost like they were fighting for legacy supremacy. No matter when it happened, one could say he had beaten the other.
The '93 Jones-Hopkins fight is completely irrelevant to the current boxing world. Neither fighter fights like he did back then, in part because neither fighter can, and also because they both got a lot better, Hopkins in particular. This might as well be a clean slate for both of these guys. Realistically, they fought once on a Riddick Bowe undercard (an important and notable fight at the time, but not a "big fight"), and then when they both became flagship stars for the sport, they started a whole new chapter.
Even that video was a long, long time ago.
So where are we at now? Roy Jones Jr. is shot. There's no getting around it. He hasn't beaten anyone good in about seven years now, and has done a song-and-dance routine where he wins a few over inferior opponents and then loses in a money fight. Hopkins, meanwhile, finally lost his middleweight crown in two disputed bouts against Jermain Taylor, then stunned the world moving up and whooping Antonio Tarver to become light heavyweight king. After that, he beat Winky Wright, lost to Joe Calzaghe, and shocked us all again by dismantling Kelly Pavlik.
There's 86 years of boxing history coming to the ring for the main event on Saturday. And I expect this to be a fight. I realize I'm probably setting myself up to be let down, but I just have a feeling about this one. It's going to surpass all expectations. I truly believe this.
And no, nobody at Golden Boy or Square Ring are paying me to be excited about this fight. Just so you know that.
The thing is this: limited fighters match up and often make for great fights. The same can happen with two fighters whose skills have deteriorated, and I know everyone is in awe of what Bernard has been doing at his advanced age, but in no way, shape, or form is Bernard Hopkins at his peak now. He hasn't been for a while. He wasn't when he smashed Tarver or Pavlik, either.
I said when this fight first came up (before Green rattled Jones' cage in Australia) that I felt Roy Jones Jr. still had the style to give Hopkins hell. Despite Jones' ugly TKO loss to Green, and my own doubts that I'm actually right, I still feel that way. Bernard Hopkins can do the Mackie Shilstone stuff all he wants, but at the end of the day he's 45.
Jermain Taylor and Joe Calzaghe were athletic guys who made Bernard work a lot harder than he really wanted to, or could effectively work anymore. They both got the duke over Bernard in three fights. Hopkins against Calzaghe was flat-out winded by the latter stages of the fight.
Roy Jones can fight that sort of fight still. He's still a better athlete than Hopkins, still moves better, still throws in combination better, still is much quicker than Bernard -- and I mean much quicker. Bernard's notable wins over Tarver, Wright and Pavlik were, in a lot of ways, easy for him. Those guys didn't move a whole lot, didn't make Bernard step outside of his comfort zone. Hopkins is the boxing definition of a "cerebral assassin." He's an incredibly intelligent fighter, a guy who knows every trick in the book and wrote some of his own. He's also got Naazim Richardson in his corner, and Richardson may be the best tactical trainer in the game today.
The big flaws in Roy's game are flaws that might not be terribly exploitable for Bernard. The biggest is Roy's dodgy chin, of course, but I don't know if that'll honestly be an issue. All the good things you can say about Bernard Hopkins as a light heavyweight are true and all, but let's be real: he's not a puncher at 175 at all. Power is not part of his game. Danny Green is a guy who is incredibly strong, and Roy also went up to 180 pounds to fight Green. That was always a serious danger against Green. But I don't think it's something Roy should particularly worry about against Hopkins.
I have Hopkins ranked highly in our P4P list because I respect the hell out of him and because he's earned it. But my gut feeling is he's at the very, very end, and that this fight (win, lose, or draw) will show that. There's a reason he wants nothing to do with Chad Dawson, who he said would be like "another Kelly Pavlik" for him. I think he knows for a fact that Dawson would give him hell that Pavlik couldn't dream of. Beating Chad Dawson would do a lot more for Bernard Hopkins' legacy than beating the 41-year-old Jones can, because there's just nobody really taking this fight seriously outside of the biggest fans of both men. Jones is not a top light heavyweight. Bernard is, in a lot of minds, cherry-picking Roy at the tail end of Roy's career, to give himself some weird self-satisfaction.
If Hopkins wins, in 25 years they might be at a convention together, and Hopkins can say, "I beat Roy Jones." Roy Jones can say, "I beat Bernard Hopkins before he was an old man." Maybe that'll set up Hopkins-Jones III.
I bet 99.5% of the boxing fan world picks Bernard Hopkins. I bet 99.9% of the boxing writers pick Bernard Hopkins. I bet 99.9993% of boxers would pick Bernard Hopkins for this fight. I'm going to be the idiot that doesn't. I'm picking Roy Jones to bewilder Hopkins, to make him work harder than he can anymore, and to physically tire him into a spot where he just can't get much done. I'm gonna be so wrong it's not even funny. Jones UD-12
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april fools?
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
it has to be, right, SC?
Please say yes. Just when I thought I’d completely repressed the RJJ fanboy that lives deep in side of me, this post has threatened to unleash it one last time. I need closure. I’m cautiously eyeing Marcos Maidana as the new object of my affections. Please don’t do this to me.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't...stop
I keep seeing Roy Jones in my head as the guy he was before. I can’t stop!!!
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Apr 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dammit SC
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A GUY WHO GOT KNOCKED OUT BY DANNY GREEN INSIDE OF ONE ROUND. DANNY FREAKING GREEN!! WAKE UP!!
[/trying to unconvince myself that a RJJ win is possible]
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 1, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
DANNY GREEN IS A BIG GUY AND CAN PUNCH!!
Bernard doesn’t have that power!
AND THAT PUNCH WAS BEHIND THE EAR!
I CAN’T STOP
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
AND HE HAD FUNKY WRAPS OR SOMETHING
oh no…it’s happening…………arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 1, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sending you a bill for $50.
I mean it.
(At least my wife means it.)
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 1, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no hablo ingles
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
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by Drunken cutman on Apr 1, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think
I dont think it is that crazy to think Jones can win a decision. Jones did fair just as well as BHop against Calzaghe and it is not like BHop packs the one punch power to put Jones out. That being said, I dont know how RJ can maintain a good 12 round pace. BHop was able to whoop Pavlik without much issue for 12 rounds. I know Pavlik does not move as much as RJ, but I still can’t imagine Jones winning. I will be rooting for Jones, because I am sick of Hopkins. Hopefully, if Roy wins they will both go away.
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 1, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe
I didn’t, but there were some that did. I don’t think anyone thought RJJ beat him.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 1, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow
I think you’ve gotten me interested in this fight. I probably won’t order it, but I’m considering now. And if you think you’re going to be so dead wrong on your Jones UD-12 pick, why’d you pick it?
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A big part of me really thinks he’s going to win. I know that has to sound crazy. I’m torn between reality, which is probably Hopkins busting Jones up systematically, and this feeling that Roy has a little something left, and THIS fight is the fight to bring it out of him. I have no doubt that Roy badly wants to beat Bernard again. Boxing is very “what have you done for me lately,” and beating P4P top five Bernard Hopkins at a point where everyone believes Roy is beyond finished would be basically the last thing people remember that Roy did. He has to turn back the clock a little bit to do it. I think this is the fight that can spur him on to a final great performance, and I also don’t think Hopkins is as good as he looked against Pavlik.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
SC, forget about Green, man that fight was in Europe you know how those Europeans cheat you.
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by jrok on Apr 1, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if he doesn’t then Hopkins looks old. One of these guys is going to have a definitive end to their career…I suspect.
me too
Maybe both. Although I do fear if Roy wins he’ll fight Chad Dawson.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
and CAPTAIN HOOK WILL PREVAIL!!!
look what you’ve done
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Bernard realises that he’s 45 and for obvious reasons chose Roy instead of the likes of Dawson . Hops has to try and fight like he did in his younger days , being as busy as he can . Roy doesn’t have the legs to beat a decent strong pressure fighter with a good right hand anymore. If Hopkins can do a Glenn Johnson and get Roy backing up and on the ropes Jones will be beaten and more than likely stopped. Roy cant punch anymore. I’d actually suggest that the handspeed Hops showed in the Calzaghe and Pavlik fights is pretty much as good as Roy in that department now . It’s the first Hopkins fight ever that I havent gotten on Aussie PPV . I suppose BHops deserves a gimmick fight but I wont be watching . I hope both these great , great fighters retire on find something else to do with themselves . Hopkins would make a genius trainer . Along with Mosely those 2 blokes are my favourite fighters of the last 20 years . I’m picking Bernard but these two blokes aren’t really relevant as far as the top echelons of their division anymore . To me it says there’s something wrong with the sport if a 45 year old bloke like Bernard is still a top 10 let alone a top 5 p4p fighter. Cheers Fellas.
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"SERENITY NOW" SCOTT "SERENITY NOW"
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Scott the first step is admitting you have a problem.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I’ve been on that step for a while. I keep stagnating there.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
The second step is finding a good sponsor. Might I suggest Teddy Atlas?
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I wonder who Teddy’s picking in this one? Bernard? Roy? Himself? Big Bird? Chris Byrd? Anyone but Manny Pacquiao?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
For Atlas there is Manny Pacquiao and for SC there is Bernard Hopkins, lmao.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Hey I picked him to beat Enrique Ornelas.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I really enjoyed this Preview!
You should win an award for originality, or perhaps be sectioned…
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
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by Sweet science on Apr 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I see Hopkins letting Jones into the fight
Jones probably winning some rounds, and then Hops taking over late. If Jones fights the perfect fight, stays on the outside, moves, feints, and doesn’t get caught, he can probably win this fight, possibly even in dominant fashion. However, Jones has never been able to fight in a smart, restrained fashion. He’s not going to start now. Jones will be Jones, Hopkins will probably let Jones be Jones for a while, and then when he’s lulled Roy into a rhythm, he’ll catch him off guard and knock him out.
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It’s a funny thing about cuts and the skin of elderly boxers. They never fully heal, not really. You can get them looking halfway decent, but that scar tissue just gets more brittle and frail, and opens up wider and uglier then ever. Yep, funny thing.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Yep, and you know if you got good dirty fighter in there – who could follow up a shot of a hook with an elbow chaser, maybe grind that forehead in there a little bit – you might even be able to pry that cut open in just under six rounds. I’m just thinking thinking out loud here.
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-- Fritzie Zivic
very clearly a drunken ramble of a post.
hopkins in 7
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-Sonny Liston
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I’m actually worried about him. If that was his goal, it worked
SC, don’t do anything stupid. Know that people love you man.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
YOU need help.
YOU do.
You people are crazy. ROYJONES #1
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
LOL
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Jones in -3
Not as in (dash) three. but negative three.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 1, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopkins by UD
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
shit
RJJ TKO 11
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 1, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
If he stops Hopkins, I’ll … I don’t know. Aliens will invade earth Tuesday if Jones stops him.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Apr 1, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
best get your dreyfuss disguise ready cuz RJJ is BACK
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
YEAH HE IS
JONES IN 2
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
HE CAN'T BE TOUCHED
If you disagree then Y’ALL MUSTA FORGOT!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Apr 2, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m starting to hear the Superman theme song…
But it’s the sad one. The one where that nuclear dude bit him and all Superman’s hair fall out. That’s why his teeth are snaggle.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Roy Jones #1 fighter of the 90's
Roy is an all time great top 15-20 all time great P4P. I think Hopkins is the better fighter at this stage in their careers, but I watched the Hopkins vs. Jones 1 start to finish. And they were both in there prime and Roy was just a class level higher than Hokins, speed, size skill. Hopkins just could not keep up with the hand and foot speed. But Roy was pure physical gifts and not as much boxing skill and you hear that from the commentators. “I have never seen anyone get away with pulling their head back like that except Ali” and it would prove fatal later in his career when he lost a step, he got caught and he has never been the same since. Hopkins on the other hand went 17 after that and has been steady Eddie only losing by close decision and has been great in his 40’s.
Hokins by UD-12 and they both hug and say nice things after it is all said and done. The last major pay day for both.They will be in the mid 40’s by the time another fight could be made of note (of wait they both are already in their mid 40’s)
Greatest Quote not by Ali
60/40 get’s yo ass whoop’d
I wish they would have made that fight. Hopkins had more to gain even in loss. One of the great fights never to happen, Bowe vs Lewis same thing. Thats what is wrong with boxing you have to hope for the good match ups. And a lot of times fighters dont want to risk losing once they are on top.
Well the worst thing is that if Roy makes me look like some kind of crazy genius and wins this fight, no way he retires gracefully. He’ll never shut up and he’ll probably try to fight a Klitschko.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Apr 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does this fight remind me of Donny LaLonde vs. Virgil Hill? Or Duran vs. Camacho.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 2, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
Merchant should retire
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Ha ha
Agreed
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 2, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones-Hopkins
As worthless as this fight is, it could be an exciting ones. Both styles are typically fun to watch, but I am curious at how much RJ is going to bring to the table. Will he just phone it in? I think he has too much integrity to not try and really win, however Hopkins will be successful. I can’t imagine BHop falling in to RJ’s traps and chasing him around the ring for 12 rounds. Hopkins poise I think will make the biggest difference. He will keep control and not give away any rounds. I have Hopkins by UD. You can read my full preview fight on my Examiner page also:
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 2, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
this is the first time that anyone has said that bhop’s style is fun to watch
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think there’s a chance that Roy phones it in. He wants this. If he beats Bernard again, at this point where nobody thinks he can, he might as well do “Y’all Musta Forgot” in the ring during the post-fight interview.
Bad Left Hook
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Thanks
(the <a href=http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner.stuff)
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 3, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Saturday’s Bernard Hopkins-Roy Jones Jr
There’s no question that Saturday’s Bernard Hopkins-Roy Jones Jr. light heavyweight fight is one of the biggest bouts of the year.
http://vetea.com/people/roy-jones-jr-vs-bernard-hopkins-2.html
A good analysis actually
The thing that worries me is Roy giving away rounds. You know, covering up on the ropes and letting Bernard bang away….at which point somebody will say BANG BANG BANG! BANG!
Jones has no legs left.
He’ll retreat to the ropes and get out-worked. IMO.
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
Once Hopkins sees how limited Roy now is, he may well be spiteful enough to carry him into the 10th or 11th and then go for the finish, prolong the execution. Hopkins TKO11.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

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