Wladimir Klitschko calls out David Haye.
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Wladimir can see the real $$$ now.
Somehow Haye does it so much better…
Let’s hope the Valuev rematch can be avoided. Just hope he’s realistic in the payoff demand.
Haye demanding 50-50 is already unrealistic.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Apr 13, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a starting point
Whatshisname over in the UK reported that he hears Klitschko is demanding 80-20. They’ll meet somewhere in the middle.
Here’s what makes most sense to me:
- Haye gets 100% of UK revenue
- Klitschko gets 100% of German/Russian/Ukraine TV revenue
- US revenue gets split 50/50 (since it’s obvious HBO won’t buy Wlad’s fights anymore)
- Everything else gets split 65/35 in favor of Wlad
If they do it that way, Haye should still end up with a $10+ million payday, possibly double that. This fight would do a million buys in the UK.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I would give Wlad 60-40 maybe 70-30 of the US revenue based on the fact that he’s the recognized Heavyweight champion, has actually fought on HBO before and has (both brothers) a pretty good following out here in Los Angeles. Which is more of a following than Haye would enjoy in any US city. Everything else you proposed I agree with it.
2 things I find unrealistic from both sides and should’’t be agreed on are
1, Options on Haye. If Haye wins he either faces Vitali or rematches Wlad next. That’s it. He shouldn’t have to do both. It’s either one or the other
2, Haye’s moronic demand for the brothers to face each other prior to him facing one. That’s unrealistic and will pretty much kill any chance of him facing either if brought up.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Apr 13, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Haye’s moronic demand for the brothers to face each other prior to him facing one.
I think if that became a serious sticking point in the negotiations, Haye would be laughed out of the sport. Then you could truly say he was just straight up ducking Wlad… “Punch your mother in the mouth or I won’t fight you.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Agreed on both points
Besides, if Haye wins, he’s going to WANT to face Vitali anyway. It would still be by far the biggest money and biggest glory fight available. They just shouldn’t be setting the terms of future fights now.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You know what,
Wlad has fallen out of favor on HBO. Haye adds the excitement factor.
This, to me, is one of those times that the more established fighter doesn’t sweat the cut to death. Wlad won’t be hurting for money any time in the next century anyway.
by Don From Prov on Apr 14, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually reckon HBO would buy this one
But probably not for very much. Realistically both these guys can s8 figures any American money which is quite remarkable.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 15, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
I think HBO would buy Haye/Wlad, and a lot of that would be based on the perception of what Haye would bring to the fight, how he might = fireworks.
That’s why I don’t think Wlad should sweat what the cut is all too tough.
If he has a money and attention-grabbing fight out there, Haye is the one.
by Don From Prov on Apr 15, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I love it how OliGold put this up a couple of days ago, and now it's on the front page under jrok.....
Not like you to nick the glory, pal…. ;)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Haha I was thinking I’d been rejd a bit here – but still, its a great video to be up on the front page whatever!
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by Oli Goldstein on Apr 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't see it before
And the code wasn’t embedded properly
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Aww... there's no need to be defensive.... :)
I was only joshing with you a bit.
:)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Listening to Wlad say the words “bitched out” is bizarre. It’s so obvious that this is the first time he’s probably ever used the term in his life. They probably had to teach it to him phonetically, like when Lugosi played Dracula. Sounds very unnatural coming out of him.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I thought he said Gestalt at first
Which confused me no end!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Evidently
Haye has put up a response video on Youtube as well. If someone wants to post it, I’ll front page it, but I don’t have Youtube access where I am.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Excuse me
Adam Booth, not David Haye
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Look down..... :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Look down..... :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Maybe they shoulld offer
Haye a contract that doesn’t force him to fight one brother or another into perpetuity.
I hear you, but you have to admit it’s an odd scenario. Two brothers who are fighter-promoters and own almost all the major belts (or all of them, if you no longer count the WBA, or consider Wlad to be it’s actual champion due to the Chageav bout). I mean, it doesn’t seem realistic that they would adandon up their strong negotiating position and maybe screw themselves out of future paychecks. It’s pay- to-play.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I've tried to embed for you.
http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/4/13/1419185/booth-responds-to-wlad-as
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Sorry pal. Wasn't trying to steal your thunder.
Just trying to be helpful, now that Brick IS RUNNING THIS SHIT NOW BITCHES!!!!
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Sweet
This is going to be a fight with a really good build up here in the UK.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
I really want to see Haye fight Vitali first.
Then we could have a “You killed my brother!!” moment (although I’m not actually hoping, or predicting, that Vitali dies….) when Wlad and Haye finally get it on.
I think right now-
Haye TKO-5 Vitali
Wlad TKO-6 Haye
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
well a fight with older brother to set this up would be cool
But I reckon that this one would be far more entertaining to watch as I see a much higher liklihood of a KO happening at any moment.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It could happen. I imagine that the Vitali sees it, he only has a few fights left before he hands his half of the keys to Wlad. He wants a big, memorable fight to go out on. Solis is too unknown and green (while, at least at the pro level) and a staring contest with someone like Toney wouldn’t cut it. He wants the chance to take one last young, fresh, popular fighter to the woodshed on his way out the door.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
the way Vitali sees it.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Wladimir potentially sees it that way too
There is no real reason for him to stay boxing much longer. He’s got a lot of money and, if he beats Haye, will have beaten pretty much everybody. Brother excluded of course.
He also hasn’t taken a lot of punishment in his career and may wish to keep it that way and not risk losing any mental capacity as he gets older and gets hit more, being a PhD holding, bi-lingual chess player this is concievable.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I think Wlad genuinely likes boxing, and likes being the champ. He’s only 34. I can see him boxing for at least three more years, taking on whoever is standing in line.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I think he'll stick around long enough to ensure his legacy
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If he does three and a half more years, fighting and winning at his current pace, he will surpass Holmes’ record. If he fights until he’s 39, he could conceivably pass Louis. There wouldn’t be much left to argue against then unless you were full of sour grapes. Longevity at the top is a feat all its own.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Also, I think if he beats Haye, he’ll then start looking for ways to garnish his legacy. Like becoming “the only man to kayo Valuev” or trying to beat Holmes’ title defense streak.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I thought about the defense streak
But I doubt it’s feasible. To get there, he’d need to fight three times a year for another 4+ years and win all of them to get there. Now that he’s starting to have injury problems, I doubt he can keep up that kind of schedule, and I’m not sure there are enough viable contenders to keep that schedule even if he wanted to. He’d need to start facing a lot of Sosnowski types.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Well, I mean it’s not like Larry didn’t fight a lot of “Sosnowski types” during his run. And Wlad has basically been fighting three times a year for awhile now, and seems in shape to fight more. But you’re right, he’d have to fight and win for at least four more years to pass Holmes. It is surely possible, though. He’d need to defend eleven more times, I think. I have a feeling he will try.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I was thinking more of Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story....
Isn’t there a bit in there where some twister attacks Bruce cos apparently he beat his brother up or something? On a film set?
Mind you, there must be LOADs of “You killed my brother/father/gay lover” quotes in the movies.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Nobody has mentioned the fact that this was shot in artsy-fartsy black-and-white video. So I will. Is he calling Haye out or trying to sell me expensive cologne?
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Probably better than “Eau de Valuev” though.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
“Scent of Klitschko” did get him Hayden……
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 13, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
50/50 isnt so unreasonable
Considering only germany want to watch any of wlads fights now, fighting haye and splitting it 50/50 will still get him more money than he’ll get fighting anyone else probably. If Wlad wants to fight haye as bad as it seems in this video theres a good chance he could give him 50/50.
Haye’s fights are not limited to the UK. If HBO or Show Time wanted to they could of paid to televised Haye’s fights against Valuve or Ruiz. They didn’t. Haye really isn’t the big draw people are trying to make it seem like he is
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Apr 13, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Haye is a draw
He sold 18,000 tickets for people to see John Ruiz. He got nearly a million buys in the UK to fight Nicolai Valuev. Neither of those guys is a draw in the UK, and they’re both generally deathly boring to watch. No word on how many buys Haye-Ruiz did, but ’d bet that was at least in the mid-six figures as well.
Does he draw outside of the UK? Not really, but that’s why the deal could still work out for him even if he gets the short end as long as he gets to keep UK revenues, and a fight between Wladimir and Haye would generate significantly more international income than a fight between Wladimir and anyone else who isn’t his brother.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Aren’t PPV significantly cheaper in the U.K.? I am curious how the profits stack up against US and German PPV sales.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
meaning "profit per pay per view"
Or, PPPPV, I guess.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
And also, I guess you’d have to adjust that for the relative strengths of the three currencies (dollar, euro and pound). It could get a little dicey in terms of the actual takeaway at that point. One thing I’m almost sure of is that it will flop in the U.S., so if someone wanted to extend a meaningless carrot they could say “you can have 80% of the American share.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
It wouldn't be PPV
It would be HBO. Then it’s just a question of what HBO pays for it. They were willing to pay $3.5M for the first one, I don’t see why that would go down now. It’s not pocket change.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Shit, it could be ESPN Classic for all we know. I don’t think there’s a guarantee HBO will pick it up… if Vitali was fighting him then they would for sure.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
it'd be a guarantee
HBO was psyched on that fight last year and every time they talk about heavyweights they bring up David Haye, which is rare for them when you consider that he’s never fought on their channel. They want that fight. I think that or Haye-Arreola / Haye-Adamek is about all they want.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 14, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
In the On the Ropes interview, Wlad said HBO likes Haye because they think he looks like Lenny Kravitz.
And if you squint your eyes and stuff one ear full of cotton, he could almost pass for Lennox’s little brother.
Well, not really. He’s got a british accent, though. That’s probably enough to suit HBO.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I think that's how Audley used to get onto Fox
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It would still be a PPV in the UK
Without a doubt, which would make for an interesting division of the profits. I think that giving the UK profits to Haye, the German, Ukranian and Russian profits to Klitschko, and splitting whatever they get in America 50-50 sounds like the fairest way to do it.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 14, 2010 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That is probably a big factor in the amount of buys he got
However he is an undeniably big name here in the UK, especially in London. Although his fanbase is not as strong, at least in terms of hardcore fans, he is actually becoming as popular as Hatton, maybe even more so.
That is a bold statement, and I can’t really be sure, but he is getting huge here. And his exposure to the mainstream is increasing all the time, meaning he will only get bigger.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
15 pounds each
About half what it is in the US, so yes, it’s not the same in terms of revenue. But a million buys at $25 a pop is still a lot of money.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Haye is a draw in the UK. I’ll give him that. But Wlad is a draw in Germany, Russia and the Ukraine. So for people to say Haye deserves 50-50 cuz he’s the draw is in my opinion foolish.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Apr 13, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Vegas?
Could they fill the MGM? I think with the help of solid promotion from GBP they might well do so. A fair few would fly over from London for that, me included.
It wouldn’t affect the UK PPV but it might the German one.
The Klitschkos always fight on public television in Germany
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
But they get paid 8 figures for those fights
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
True
However, HBO pretty much hate ruiz and i dont think they’ve bought any of valuev’s fights so its not a surprise they didnt buy either fight. Plus they don’t want to buy any of the klitschko’s fights anymore unless its against haye. Haye also has a belt to put on the line and it will be a meaningful fight, if wlad doesn’t give haye 50/50 then he can’t say haye is bitching out by not fighting him.
People are going over board by trying to use HBO not buying any of Wlad’s recent fights against him. Cuz last time I checked HBO hadn’t bought any of Haye’s fights either. And believe me if Haye was as popular as his groupies claim he is they would of. Yes I understand Haye has a title in his possession. But anybody that follows Boxing knows it’s nothing but a paper title. Wlad would already of had that title if it wasn’t stupidly stripped from Ruslan Chagaev. It should no way help Haye in negotiations. 50-50 is unrealistic. 70-30 is more than fair. If not Wlad can say Haye bitched out. Cuz he already did once before
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Apr 13, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I do think of Wlad as the real WBA “champion,” because of the dumbass nonsense of the Chagaev-Valuev-Wlad-Haye situation. Those crafty WBA wizards were sanctioning both Chagaev and Valuev as champions, until they could set a rematch for the title Chagaev already won. Then the rematch mysteriously melts down because they chose to fight in a country that won’t sign off on Hepititus carriers (which everyone already knew Ruslan was). Then Haye comes down with a mysterious back ailment. Wlad invites Valuev (WBA champ) to replace Haye and gets turned down flat, as usual. Wlad offers Chagaev (WBA recess champ) the same fight and stomps him flat, but only after the WBA stripped Chagaev for not fighting Johnny Blowjob instead (another fight they would have sanctioned as a title fight.) Three Stooges levels of comedy in that mess.
Anyway, it’s fair to say that’s Wlad’s belt that David is wearing. The rest of it is just Wrestling-style fantasy stuff and marketing for the fight, but Wlad is the true owner of that ridiculous strap.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
if Haye was as popular as his groupies claim
I think people are really only claiming that he is popular in the UK, which he is. I dout anyone knows him in the US though.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wald is a whole lot of awesome…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
This is actually a pretty cool call out video
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 13, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wlad did an interview on On the Ropes not so long ago that wasn’t too bad when he is talking about the Chambers. Except for the long stretch where he talks about Manny Steward. SNORE! You do get the sense that Wlad really is a Boxing Guy. He’s going to the hall, he knows it, and it’s still not good enough for him. However, aside from the Chambers fight description or some of the talk about Golden Gloves, you need to keep your No-Doze handy.
But what Wlad says about Chambers (and about two guys being necessary to make a fight exciting) is largely true. Chambers can, or could have, beat many or all of the top tenners in the list right now on boxing ability alone, and he didn’t have a prayer against Wlad. It’s why the division is so dull. It really is a one man division. I hope Haye can be a guy to put up a good challenge, but I have my doubts. Otherwise, he can just coast for a few years.
One quote I liked about Valuev-Haye: “Big freak, slow as elephant, and David Haye danced around trying not to get hit.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
And he uses the phrase "bitching out" twice in the interview
Maybe he is getting used to it.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He basically calls Povetkin a bitch too. He’s not so off. Alex has been stalling for awhile now. Its true that there are some guys out there who have made excuses to NOT fight for Wlad’s title… that’s simply true.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I doubt Klitschko cares much about the hall
Hall of Fame is a very American concept.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
No, Wlad cares. If you listen to the Jenna J interview I linked to, he’s a little pissed that HBO won’t buy his fights. He doesn’t care about the U.S. audience as much as his brother (he also talks about meeting Max Schelling, for instance) but he is U.S. trained and he certainly believes that America is the Mecca of Boxing. He cares about history for sure. I have no doubt about that. He is a boxing guy and cares about his legacy, and about his place in the Hall for sure.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
And besides which Canastota is not an “American concept.” Come on now.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I didn't say Canastota is an american concept
I said hall of fame is an American concept. You don’t see many halls of fame outside of the US. There are a few in Japan, where the concept carried over because of baseball, but having a museum that has all of the best of something in one place is something that only Americans do, generally.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
or at least care about
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Boxing is different
It’s an international sport. Other sports are generally only "international" at the amateur level (soccer being an obvious exception).
It’s a little strange to think that the Klitschkos don’t care about their place in history, in my opinion… they pretty obviously seem to care from the interviews I have heard with them.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
FWIW, there is a “soccer” hall of fame, but it’s in the US.
My extensive research (on wikipedia) has uncovered only one football hall of fame in Europe, the “Gwladys Street Hall of Fame” in England. But it appears that that’s only for footballers who played for Everton F.C.
On the other hand, it seems that there are lots of halls of fame in Australia, which as we all know is part of Europe.
by taco pal on Apr 14, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 14, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I like this from Wlad he didn’t go over board with the whole grudge match thing. He doesn’t like Haye but he aint saying he hates him or that “this time its personal”.
Mosley - UD on 1st May
He did say it’s “personal” in the On the Ropes interview. That is, he said Vitali wanted to fight Haye first because that would balance out the belts 2-2. But Wlad persuaded Vitali to let him fight Haye first instead because it’s personal.
Wlad has a bit more to say about Haye in sunny L.A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCu9poyRVk
Looks like “bitched out” is on the permanent menu now. He says it, like, twenty times.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He's a funny guy
His pizza analogies are classic.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 14, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see Wlad go beserk on Haye….nothing against Haye, but really, see Wlad Lacy-fy Haye. It might do Haye some good in the long run.
Brain damage is good in the long run?
Na, I agree that it would go some way towards making Haye more respectful and even a touch humble.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 15, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
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