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Is Speed Better Than Power...Or is Defense Better Than Both?

In modern times a fighter must do everything well to be elite. But just doing everything well doesn’t make an elite fighter. They must also do at least one thing great. Sure there are some who did not do everything well that have made it to the fringes of the elite and could be argued actually achieved it. But for the most part, that is the exception, not the rule.

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Tyson’s power, Manny’s hand speed, Floyd’s defense, Duran’s ability to adapt, Wladimir Klitschko has that jab, Julio Cesar Chavez had the chin of a horse. This is not about who is best, like most boxing discussions. This is about what is best. What is the best weapon for a boxer to do great?

While having the jawbone of an ass, is a great quality for a fighter, sometimes it can get you whipped like that same ass. Some of the great journeymen had stellar chins, but less than stellar records against the elite. That CHIN allows a fighter to take more chances, sit down on more punches and improves almost all his attributes.

But really it’s like having a few stiff drinks while on the prowl. It’s going to make everything about your catch better, but ain’t going to turn her into Megan Fox.

Walk through the doors of almost any gym in the world, and the trainer will tell you, it all starts from the JAB. If you’ve got a stiff jab that gets back as quickly as it shoots out, your in. Everything works behind that jab. It opens up your opponents while at the same time shutting them down, it avails all your options, frustrates your target and wears them.

But, as much as trainers would like people to believe, they don’t climb over each other to get to a great jab. What makes a trainer slobber is a slobberknocker or a speed demon.

DEFENSE is often the difference in fights and fighters. One man has it, the other lacks it. One man is an artful dodger the other dodges the art by a lack of commitment to it. Most of those fights turn out the same. But defense doesn’t bring the fans in. And rarely brings the belts in.

Yes there is Floyd and a few, but would you rather fight someone you can’t hit, or someone you can’t afford to let hit you, or you can’t stop from hitting you? While really, one thing alone will rarely win a fight, defense alone never does.

And for every champ that wins with defense there is one that wins with relatively none. Like Wladimir Klitschko, his only defense is that jab and some awkward holding. It is often mentioned that a fighter has under appreciated defense. Have you ever heard a fighter having under appreciated power?

Hand SPEED makes opponents look bad. It causes shutouts and wins a lot of fights. It simply dominates. But speed does tend to slow as punches are exchanged, rounds increase and fights increase. There is not much difference between speed and boxing’s best attribute(to be so boldly named later). The line is thin. It is only a slight advantage, but power or defense does not age nor dissipate with rounds or fights.

Since the working premise is already that an elite fighter does everything well, a possibility could be the ABILITY TO ADAPT. To move from peppering an opponent to sitting down on punches, from jabbing to defense, depending on what the moment or fight is calling for.

The ability to adapt may be the most rare of the assets mentioned, but does not make it the best. Too many have been too great without that quality. A great jab doesn’t need to be turned off for any other option.

That leaves POWER. The first thing a fighter has and the last thing to leave him. It changes exchanges, fights and fight plans. Enough power makes your opponent more cautious which helps your defense. Regardless of what every opposing trainer begs for in the corner (keep jabbing!), heavy hands can keep an opponent’s lead hand back. It limits their willingness to throw combinations which limits an advantage of speed. And power doesn’t tire or limit itself if a fighter changes a strategy mid fight.

The power of power wins. It is very close between power and speed. It is difficult to put any one asset in front of the other, but if a big left hook is being held to your head, which one is best?

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Speed and Power are actually related

It’s a fact that if something is fast then it is also going to be relatively powerful, based also upon its weight. Simply put, F=MA, Force equals Mass times Acceleration. In my opinion this goes some way towards explaining how Manny Pacquiao has carried his power up divisions so well; he has retained his speed.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 15, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah but its not exactly like Malignaggi (or Sweet Pea if you wanna go historical) had power with their speed. You still gotta sit on your punches a bit

by OmarLittle on Apr 15, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

speed=power?

Shrewd point about Manny. Makes a lot of sense that he did not get too big or bulky and lost speed, so his power has followed him and that speed through the divisions. Good thought.

I understand the the physics (not really, but in laymans terms) the relationship between power and speed, but one does not bring the other in boxing, or in football for like a running back. The fastest backs are rarely the most powerful. And in boxing as stated in another comment, a fighter must committ to power by sitting down on some punches. Floyd has great speed, but little power. Abraham has great power, but and some speed, but not to the level of his power, as some examples.

privately, i’ve had several texts in favor of "the ability to adapt " as described in my post, as the best weapon for a boxer to do great. Any thoughts on that?

by John Genco on Apr 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prime example

Sugar Ray vs Tommie Hit Man in their 1st fight. Without the ability to adapt and change Ray would have been toast.

by johnnyurrotten on Apr 16, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ability to adapt

To me, represents the mental capacity of a fighter; how well they can stick to a clever gameplan, and change it if need be. To my mind this is perhaps the most important thing in boxing, if a boxer has great speed, and good power, then they are going to make it into the top ten maybe, but never be champion. Every time they come up against a guy who has the same physical skills but greater mental strength and dexterity, they will fall short.

My favourite example of this is Judah vs Mayweather, where Mayweather had trouble early, adapted, and we saw Judah completely unable to do the same, and consequently get beaten up. Also Pacquiao vs Marquez I and II. Marquez has less of the tools and skills needed to build a great fighter than Pacquiao, but was able to out-think Pacquiao’s gameplan and, in my opinion, win both of those fights.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 17, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Related maybe, but not exclusively dependent on each other.

There are shitloads of guys who are fast but not powerful, and probably even more who are powerful but not quick.

A few examples;
Malignaggi
Bradley
Froch
Ward
Bailey
Urango
Calzaghe

There are others of course, loads of them, who have both, but all of these guys have one and not the other. I’m sure everyone can think of others, but those instantly sprang to mind.

Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)

by Chaos100 on Apr 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that all fast fighters have power

But that there is a relationship between the two. Malignaggi, for example, would be even less powerful if his hands weren’t as fast.
Conversly some boxers with really good hand speed, like Malignaggi again, often have better power than we see. Their power is still poor though and they have decided that they should sacrifice what little they have to be faster, and still have an advantage.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 17, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offence

But Paulie Malignaggi’s name should never be mentioned in the same sentence with Sweet P Whitakers. Sweet Ps power was a misconception. I know he didnt have a good KO%, but Petes punches had pop and sting to them. After you ate those lead right hands all night you didnt want anymore. Just wach the Chavez fight. Chavez had a chin lke a rock and by round 8 whitaker was hurting Chavez. Also sweet P had some impressive KO’s. On the other hand Paulie hits like a girl.

by johnnyurrotten on Apr 15, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

My bad

I meant lead left hands , sweet p was a south paw

by johnnyurrotten on Apr 15, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really trying to compare the two, just using them as examples of the same principle of speed boxers who don’t KO guys. Your points are valid though

by OmarLittle on Apr 15, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

POWER & EFFECTIVE PUNCHING

Power alone is not the key to effective Punching ot is based on five key elements -
 B. L. A . S. T. (Balance-Leverage-Accuracy-Speed-Timing)

Take any one of the elements out of the execution and effective punching becomes ineffective to get the job done.

by Brian Zelley on Apr 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Obviously, if you can you’d take speed AND power AND defense. But if i had to choose two, i would choose speed and defense. Because if you have those 2 you can get into the ring with the strongest guy in the world but if he can’t touch you his strength is useless.

by CavsLebronFan on Apr 15, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

But.......

You could argue that speed and power make you an irresistable force.

Power and defense make you an immovable object.

Speed and defense make you Willie Pep. :)

Any decent combination of two of those three elements makes you a very tough guy to beat.

Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)

by Chaos100 on Apr 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think speed, but it’s a darn good question (and fanpost).

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 16, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Speed as in Martinez over power as in Pavlik.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

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