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Sergio Martinez tops Kelly Pavlik to win middleweight championship

Sergio Martinez took the world middleweight championship tonight in Atlantic City. (Photo via suljosblog.com)

Sergio Martinez won a well-earned unanimous decision tonight over Kelly Pavlik, taking the world middleweight championship in the process.

Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KO) won on scores of 115-111, 116-111 and 115-112. Bad Left Hook scored it 115-112 for Martinez.

It was a terrific tactical fight, with some great back-and-forth momentum. Martinez dominated the early portion of the fight, but Pavlik (36-2, 32 KO) charged back in the middle rounds, knocking down Martinez and taking a lead on our card through eight rounds.

But then, it was the Sergio Martinez show. Martinez cut Pavlik up, had him bleeding profusely, and took the fight for the rest of the time left, winning what I felt was a clear and solid decision.

Pavlik showed a lot of guts tonight, and so did Martinez. Pavlik has a rematch clause, and I'd expect they'll do this again. The fight was definitely good enough to deserve a rematch. Kelly Pavlik fought through blood, managed to turn the tide of the fight, and just got beaten in the end. It was a damn good fight, I thought, and one worthy of the hype.

All congratulations to Sergio Martinez, the new legitimate middleweight champion of the world.

On the Atlantic City undercard, Mike Jones, Matt Korobov and Ronald Hearns all won. Hearns landed some right hands on Delray Raines that were worthy of his family name.

From Montreal in the co-feature, Lucian Bute knocked out Edison Miranda in the third round. Miranda had been doing fairly well and got cocky. After making a big show of his not feeling Bute's punches, Bute immediately stopped him with a gorgeous left uppercut.

The times changed tonight, folks. New middleweight champion of the world: Sergio Martinez. But don't discredit Kelly Pavlik, who made no excuses afterward and fought his heart out. Both were a credit to the sport tonight.

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All I can say is viva Martinez.

And viva Bute as well. What agreat and very satisfying night of boxing. Just superb.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 17, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Wonderful stuff. I kept thinking “It’s either Kelly, under, or Sergio, over.” And I also had a bad fear that Sergio would get robbed even if he clearly won. Good fighting and good judging tonight.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Granted, I haven’t seen this fight (because I’m a moron), but it sounds like Sergio Martinez is becoming one of the most entertaining fighters in the world. Did not see that one coming.

by tichbou on Apr 18, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed. i didn’t like him at all before the williams fight, but that fight and his recent interview with hbo (before the pavlik fight) made me a fun. i’m in between rounds 2 and 3 right now, but martinez has looked solid and pretty awesome so far

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I did not hear the commentary tonight “en inglés”, but I would suspect that Manny probably had a good time ripping Pavlik’s coach to shreds. I am a little curious if this is the case.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Not really, actually.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

not at all, big surprise.

But once again at the start of the fight, (see Hopkins, B.) Pavlik looked like he had no idea that he was going to fight a guy who was kind of tricky. He looked completely frustrated with the speed, trickiness, etc. If Pav won’t fire his little league baseball coach at this point…he never will.

Get. A. Trainer. Dude.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 18, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just got home , rang my bro who watched the fight so congrats to the Argentinean . Shit they can produce a good fighter. I should repeat 100 times having picked Pavlik , pick the mover over the stalker , especially if he is a southpaw and can fight . Martinez looks to be in great nick and my bro reckoned when he cut Pavlik the second time he took total command of the fight because Pavliks vision was impaired. Which is no excuse for Pavlik as the cut was caused by a punch not a butt. He also reckoned it was an excellent fight to watch. My bro also reckons Pav might be slightly over the hill JRok , face first fighters that have been in a lot of wars and now have plenty of money often lose that edge of viciousness and will that you need to fight like that . Its also harder to get up and do roadwork off silk sheets to quote the Marvelous one . Cheers blokes .

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Apr 18, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Cheers JC40

It was a hell of a fight to pick. I rolled my bookie’s number up and smoked it for this one. It was just too tough to call, and they sort of showed why.

Sergio has been in some great fights lately. Southpaws and converts in general have been on the rise for a while now, and I really think it is good for the sport.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

GoodOnya Mate

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Apr 18, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

But

the Marvelous One got up and ran those damn Provincetown sand dunes right until the end.

Will you be seeing the fight, JC40: It was another good one.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My 3,000th post goes to celebrating both SM and the greatr Bute who is fast becoming my favorite of all.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

A most worthy 3000th Ted

 Bute is looking like a really good fighter, what a bummer he’s not in the super six . There’s going to be a crow smorgasboard followed by a giant dish of humble pie for Pavs most vociferous online supporter hahaha . You’ve been very unsmug mate ;-)

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Apr 18, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Bute is so good that he is being underrated for it, I think. Another “Wrong Way” boxer with real skills, and no physical shortcomings to offset them. He’s not slow, he’s not feathery, he’s not short or gangly or uncoordinated. He is the real deal, just looking at the way he fights you can see he is. I sort of view the super six as an audition to fight him. The winner would be the real champion.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of view the super six as an audition to fight him. The winner would be the real champion.

I know exactly what you mean. I love all th super six but the fight I’m really looking forward to is between the winner and Bute.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody at 168lb.

is going to enjoy a night with Bute, IMO.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to be improving all the time but then i still don’t think he’s been in with a real top man at the weight.A bit like Arthur Abraham before he faced Dirrell.
Ward and Dirrell would give him problems,imo.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bute is good but lets not get carried away. His best wins are against Miranda who is an entertaining gatekeeper on his best day and the severely flawed Andrade. That Bika win is starting to look alright too but that level of competition is not close to the upper echelon of the division like Dirrell, Ward, and Froch.

by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,he’ll know he’s in a fight with those 3,for sure.
Plus he’s shown that he can be broken down with pressure in the 1st Andrade fight.Froch is a better pressure fighter than Andrade,imo.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying he is any lock at 168,

but from what I’ve seen, nobody is going to walk over him—not even close.

And Bute/Froch? That one I’ll bet you on if it happens, Matt :)

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha!

Don’t underestimate the ‘Sheriff of Nottingham’,Don. :)

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

But yeah,i agree he’s a tough fight for any of ’em and personally i would have him at no.2,behind Ward and in front of Dirrell and Froch,at the moment.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Froch, Matt--

And I’m aware of the fact that you saw Martinez/Pavlik much clearer than I.

Just willing to spot you some bangers vs. johnny cakes on that fight.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok Don,

enough with the Martinez thing!
My ego’s getting bigger and bigger by the minute. :)

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ward would eat Bute's lunch.

Dirrell probably, too.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 18, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martinez has arrived

with the ability to win …and make you look bad…few will long to meet him in the ring. He should and probably will rematch Cintron and Williams. And Pavlik as well. I can see him reigning for a bit. Quite the late bloomer , this guy. Props to him

by pakinpower on Apr 18, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s great to have Sergio as champ. He’s not an “ugly lefty.” He’s been turning in great performances and getting screwed. I don’t even care about a Martinez-Cintron rematch, because Sergio whupped Kermit and KNOCKED HIM OUT and still got a draw.

Cheers to Sergio!

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed he did KO Kermit

Who, BTW, should have won the 2009 Best Actor in a Traumatic Role hands down. He actually got a ‘do-over’ in a pro fight. That was more egregious than Arthur Abraham having two doctors administering to his cuts while he gathered himself

by pakinpower on Apr 18, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, the docs stepped in while Abraham was pounding on Andre in the corner. I saw that as a hometown breather for Andre. Not that it excused what came after it.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Floyd cruises past Shane, and the Pac negotations fizzle, that there’s a couple great fighters waiting for him at 154(Martinez and Williams). I realize it’ll never happen though. Pavlik needs to move up to 168 and Martinez needs to keep fighting at 154 and 160 can become a ghost town til Jacobs and Guerrero get some more experience.

"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood

by BloodMeridian on Apr 18, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I like

Martinez going back to 154 after he rematches Kelly (if it happens) too.

He could fight Williams at either weight and there are more good fights at 154lb.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

SC -

can you determine how many people have clicked on the “cougar life” link from this site?

I’m just wondering what kind of play (no pun intended) they get from the old BLH.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 18, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I have no idea. I do know my ad share revenue went up this past quarter. Hooray MILFs.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

You sure it wasn’t from the whole page KY ads?

by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey… sex sells…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF?

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea I don’t know. It’s an interesting ad.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 18, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

They do “cougar” speed dating now at certain bars. I was on hand for one and it was a hell of a thing. A mass of dragon lady sugar-momming a bunch of 20-somethings. I even got hit at on the sidelines by a grandma who claimed she was in the FBI!

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

speed dating is another bizarre phenomenon to me.

They do that shit near me. Med students and law students – I can’t handle the intensity of that shit. – really aggressive women in there. And these aren’t even old women!

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 18, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good night of boxing and

Man is Martinez entertaining, Miranda look good and I thought it would be a longer match.

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Apr 18, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Actually, I think he’s exercising his rematch clause with Martinez.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great!

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Picking Hillary over Barack

was the beginning of his end. Is she considered a cougar … or a saber tooth tiger

by pakinpower on Apr 18, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I described her as the epitome of "steely androgyny"

in some shit I had to write. It was actually a compliment. I had to read a book called “Women Don’t Ask: Negotiating the Gender Divide”. She and Sonia Sotomayor pretty much violate every rule for success espoused by that shitty little book.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 18, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he is oh so much smoother…

by Hatfield on Apr 18, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Had it Martinez by UD and Bute by 4th round knock out. Almost had them both. Anyway great win for Martinez. Pavlik losses again if he takes the rematch. It’s just a bad styles match up. He hit Martinez flush a couple of times. Martinez took them well.

If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.

by Violent Demise on Apr 18, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I think on the right night he can beat Martinez. I think he MIGHT have won this fight without the bad cuts, but it was Martinez who opened up the cuts, so that’s no “excuse.” But he needs to figure out a way around the speed. Fighting Martinez once gives him some ideas. The call for a new corner is legit. I’m not trying to crap on Jack Loew or anything, but if Pavlik wants to fight world class fights, he needs a world class trainer, and Loew is not that guy.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of my friends spotted what looked like either scar tissue or a cut on Pavlik’s left eye before he entered the ring. Anyone else notice that? Also awesome fight by Sergio and all congrats to him. Can’t remember the last time I stood for more than three rounds because the fight was that good.

by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

In your living room?

Haha I found myself standing quite a bit last night as well.

by Hatfield on Apr 18, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hells yeah in the living room! Was standing a good amount during the Ward-Kessler fight but that was because I was at the fight. Last time I stood up that much for a tv fight was for the Juanma-Mtwaga last round I think.

by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pavlik did adapt to Martinez in the middle rounds. Martinez felt the fight slipping away and just adapted back. In the process cutting him for the 2nd time. Like you said they were cuts caused by legit punches so they can’t really be used as an excuse.

I personally don’t have a problem with Loew and don’t think he’s the problem. I thought Loew gave him excellent advice when he told him to stop aiming at the head and let Martinez run into something. Cause Martinez was ducking in a lot. Pavlik just didn’t follow his orders. Not sure what was said, but I almost got the impression Pavlik wanted to quit when Loew told him “don’t say that”. But i don’t know. I do think Pavlik is in serious need of a world class cut man. Cuz the was some minor league work by a minor league cut man

If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.

by Violent Demise on Apr 18, 2010 3:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought they did a great job on the first cut, on the left side. The right side not so much, but it was a much worse cut.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

The cut on the right eye

How brutal was that. Blood was squirting out like in Kill Bill. Pavlik tried to take the ninth round off and paid for it. He’d won the prior 4 rounds and scored a knockdown. He walked, literally walked, to the center of the ring to start the 9th round with his hands down and got dotted on that eye shortly after. As soon as that cut happened the fight was over. Personally, it should have been stopped after 10. Martinez fought so well, he did deserve to win by a stoppage.

http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner

by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 18, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Knockdown

was legitimate by any measure, but it was much more balance than power.

Martinez not hurt at all.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

There appears..

To be a distinct lack of all things “OY” in another world….

by Phill on Apr 18, 2010 3:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He is already making excuses for his love child. Poor baby could not see out of two eyes. Of curse he couldn’t. His eyes were rendered blind by the slashiing, superior blows of Martinez.. I always thought clean cuts caused by punces were a part of boxing, but I guess they are now an excuse.

He needs to “abandon ship” on Pavlik and find someone else to swoon over. If Pavlik steps up, he will get mauled and mugged by the far better fighters at super Middleweight. Could you imagine what Ward or Bute would do to this one dimensional guy. Crunchville time.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Pavlik lost to Hopkins because he stepped up in weight, but Pavlik lost to Martinez becuase Martinez stepped up in weight. Am I missing something here?

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, good point. And as huge as Pavlik is rehydrating these days, the weight issue v.s. Hopkins seems like it should have helped the boy, if he used it as an opportunity to get built rather than be lax.

All hail the new guy who beat the guy who beat the guy.

by El Destruyo on Apr 18, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent for Martinez

I’ve just watched through this one and it seems like something really fantastic is going to have to come along in order to top this as FOTY. Also look at the fights which seemk to now be ahead, rematches with Pavlik and Williams, yes please!

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 5:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Yohnny Perez vs Abnes Mares

Is the one I have pegged on my calendar. We’ll see, but that one just feels like it’s going to be a fantastic fight.

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by Brickhaus on Apr 18, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Perez is simply great.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

FOTY

seriously? i saw it last night and maybe it was my sleepyness combined with the fact that i already knew the result, but this fight was not that good. i mean it was a good fight, but FOTY candidate? hardly

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s a top 15-20 candidate in a good year, maybe back end top 10 in an iffy year. I really enjoyed this fight. Both guys showed grit and it had a lot of back-and-forth in the momentum. Really engrossing fight, IMO. Watch it again when you’re not tired, because that’s happened to me before too.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i suppose you’re right. this sort of felt like rocky-john I i guess. good boxing match with occasional trading, but overall it was too one-sided for me to believe that it could be FOTY. i’ll watch it again one of these days on hbo2 or something

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fight I would pay monster money for would be a rematch of Margo and Martinez. This time, I think the outcome might be different. It would be called “The Fight for True Redemption.”

Meanwhile, sportsman Pavlik (and he was a gracioius in defeat) now returns to the volcanic-like Youngstown cloud under which he must go back to the drawing board and make tough decisions. I’d say the first one should be to get a new cut man.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Ted,

We’ll have less of them volcanic gags. I’m hoping to get away to the US on Friday!

by Phill on Apr 18, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What part?

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t want to see Margarito get a shot at any championship.

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by Brickhaus on Apr 18, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Es verdad!

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Jack Loew

But perhaps a new gameplan is necessary for KP too.

http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner

by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 18, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in the same boat. I don’t think he’s a bad trainer. I just don’t think he’s a great trainer. But it’s also hard to overlook the fact that they’ve been a great team, that Pavlik trusts Jack. That goes a long, long way. Manny Steward is a wonderful trainer but Jermain Taylor never seemed to truly trust him and they didn’t work at all. Kelly would be taking a calculated risk going with anyone else. What if they don’t mesh?

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

All good points

Look at how Miranda turned out with Goosen last night. I dont know if Kelly needs to replace Jack, but their gameplan early in the fight was a little off. They clearly were going to let Martinez dictate the tempo for the first few rounds so Kelly could figure him out, and the gameplan was mildlly successful through 8. But Kelly was letting himself get hit way too much and that’s a credit to Sergio. Kelly didn’t move his head for most of the fight. A trainer like Steward just may be able to polish though skills a little better and get him back on track.

http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner

by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 18, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is always

the idea of a “consultant”—but maybe that just means friction.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Manny, am I the only one bothered by his poor use of grammar. Hell, if Cotto can learn English and Bute can learn French, then surely Steward, who makes millions, can learn how to speak properly. Saying “that was the best bunch I have ever saw” makes me cringe. For Christ Sakes, Manny, pick up a grammar book or take some lessons from some HBO suits. Also, his analysis of the fight, made after the first 15 seconds, is wearing thin. He flip flops more than a pancake at a Fireman’s Brekfast. Are you feeling me here?

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get what you mean. He entertains me, though. And he does seem to be the only one watching the fight sometimes. He was the only one not going utterly insane during Caballero-Yordan.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it Manny last night that said something like ‘Sergio Martinez can’t throw more than one punch because of his style and footwoork.’

by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he said that about Pavlik. But Merchant, in between his bouts of verbal constipation, managed to get in Harld's face on ring generalship and then accused Martinez

of being a runner and on the bike. All three announcers last night had Kelly’s jockstrap firmly in their mouths until it became clear by round 11 that Srgio was going to kae this one home. Terrible announcing once again from HBO.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Merchant accusing Martinez of running was disgusting. Thanks for continuing to feed that meat-headed misunderstanding of boxing, Larry. Maybe he should go watch toughman contests instead.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

Merchant’s comment was ridiculous at best.

If one is paid to talk for too long, Merchantisims might have to be the outcome, but. …

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Merchant

Merchant is so ridiculous and sadly the sport has passed him by. Not every statement needs to sound like he pulled it from some philisophy book.

http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner

by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 18, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never could stand him, never. He is a cruel person. Someday, I'll elaboirate on that. Suffice it to say that it had to do with somethinh he wrote about Sonny Liston back in th e day.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

uhh i don’t know which broadcast you were watching, but if felt to me that they were basically predicting kelly to lose before the bute fight even started.

“martinez is the guy kelly shouldve avoided, martinez is extremely dangerous, martinez is just the type of fighter to give kelly trouble, martinez is a golden god and i worship him nightly, i want his abs, look at his hair and look at pavlik’s bald head”

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey they stole my stuff!

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by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better Tats as well

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dragon>Gecko…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt. Get a real trainer in there.

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by lcollins1 on Apr 18, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, mate. But don’t go to Youngstown. It could get ugly there.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m very disappointed with Pavlik. He seems to lack certain skills that mean disaster against boxers/movers like Martinez. Is it because he can’t adapt? I don’t think so; he was doing well in the middle rounds. Does he lose focus, or confidence? Maybe, he seems to break down or go into a shell when things aren’t going his way. I don’t know where he goes from here….NOT up to 168, please! He cannot deal with Bute, Ward or even Dirrell’s movement. Go up to 175? He didn’t look good at 170 against an old man.

by FrankinDallas on Apr 18, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

He is kinf=d of in a bad place. I think he nees to stay at 160

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I managed to watch this on YouTube but it's gone now

Silly copyright. I’m itching to see it again so does anyone know where I could watch it?

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I can give you a link if it’s allowed

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by Violent Demise on Apr 18, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it’s on YouTube, go ahead. That’s YouTube’s issue and HBO will get rid of it quickly enough anyway.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Matt from Yorkshire failed to understand

was that Pavlik was just too big & too strong for Martinez.

Obviously, Martinez failed to note that fact as well. :)

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

It was almost like Martinez didn’t really care about Pavlik being bigger and stronger.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha!

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by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell of a fight.

The cut eyes happened for a reason: Martinez was completely dominating the round when he really sliced Kelly up because Sergio realized it was time to move on to plan B. Maybe without the cuts Pavlik would have done better, but there is a rematch clause so we’ll see. Point is, that Sergio was whacking him with impunity once he got into attacking mode, and Martinez doesn’t even really throw very good combinations—he just blazes and moves.

When Kelly was cut I told GF (who was against Martinez because he showboated a little!!): Watch, here is where Kelly either shows he’s the MW champion or not. For once, the HBO team was right, Kelly needed to step up, impose himself, and take the fight back. Instead, he appeared as interested as avoiding getting hit as in taking over.

Kelly might need to move up to SMW (he was fighting at a disadvantage last night because he had to defend his MW while fighting as a Cruiserweight [please not sarcasm]), but I don’t think such a move will end well for him. Bute, for one, IMO, would slice and dice him.

Second time I’ve seen Martinez in a very good fight. Nights like last night make it even harder to purchase some sorry-ass PPV: Good stuff for free (okay, Bute was out of Miranda’s class, but it was interesting as Miranda = a measuring pole), no endless, dreary, undercard, just two worthwhile matches. Nice work, Martinez (the man adjusts—not common in this day and age). Kelly was a gentleman, and a little lost. Even in the interview, he was standing there by himself. Things do slip away from us in life.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Some guys are sashers who cut up their opponents. Delin Ridriuuez is such a fighter. So is Martinez. Cuts that come by way of a punch are what boxing is all about. Our least favorite moron is using them as an excuse for why his love child could not win the fight. Give me a break. The reaso he could not win is because he got cut up to ribbons by fast, sharp, slashing shot.s He was butchered so to speak.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

slashers

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is that Pavlik gets hit alot… Taylor hit him in both fights, his fight vs a faded McKart as well… and vs Martinez… it was just academic.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,yeah

i think it works either one. :)

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

They used to have that up on the wall at my old amateur gym and yes it was ‘dog’.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

AND

you were right about the fight, Matt.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos and Props to Matt, T-Bone and Nonnporn each of whom called it right.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Fella's.

I haven’t seen the fight yet but will get it through in a week or so.Looking forward to it.
You both mentioned Pavlik being gracious in defeat and what Don said about Pavlik looking a little lost after the fight and in the interview was a bit sad to read.
I have always liked to watch him and he seems like a genuine,down to earth nice guy but fighters like Pavlik usually only have a short time at the top.
I can honestly say i have always seen him as a good champion but never really with the look of a great one.
I’m sure he has 2 or 3 good fights left in him but hit-and-get-hit style fighters tend to burn out quickly,as we know.
I also would like to say that Waldo,Drunken Cutman and Goatsnake all picked Martinez too.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to forget Cyke too.He called it!

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay me

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch no love Ted? That hurts….

by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y yo que?

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good for Sergio

He fought awesome. He actually deserved to win the fight by TKO. The fight should have been stopped after the 10th round, when it was very clear that Pavlik couldn’t see or throw punches anymore. Martinez deserved the stoppage. Pavlik made a big mistake in the 9th round. He must have thought he could take the round off since he’d won the previous 4 rounds and scored a knockdown. He literally walked to the center of the ring, with his hands down, and then got dotted with the left hand that blew up his eye. After that cut happened the fight was over. Good job by Martinez.

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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 18, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Gusty post

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

gutsy

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pavlik was very gracious after the fight and freely admitted he had been taken apart by the better man. He showed real class and may have won over some fans in losing. The thing is, however, that I believe I heard him say something between rounds that implied he was thinking of quiting. I hope not because if quit is in his DNA, he is in for some bad times. I don;t see a rematch here—I see him moving up to Supermiddleweight where he has a decent shot of beating a few out there like Abraham and The Dane based on styles making fights, but he had better stay away from the likes of Ward, Dirrell, and especially Bute. He now needs to make serious decisons about his future. One more loss, and he is in dire straits career-wise. First thing I would do is get rid of my cut man. Second thing I’d do is work on my stance and ability to counter punch. Bottomline: Kelly Pavlik is no longer the next big thing in boxing. He still could be, but after Lockett, Old man Hopkins, Rubio, the terribly mismatched Espino, and now this loss to a super fighter whose uinusual style was no big secret coming in, Pavlik is badly in need of life support. That is all.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

The Hopkins fight

Had ‘eff all to do with it. I reckon thar war he had with Locket finished Pavlik… and I don’t care what anyone says…. ;-)

by Phill on Apr 18, 2010 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Espino finished him off.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

quit is obviously not in his DNA, ted

taylor had him just about ready to keel over, but he immediately seized control the next round. martinez was schooling him for 4 straight rounds, and pavlik managed to turn it around in rds 5-8. he was going to quit because of the miserable cuts i think

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he could see for the last few rounds.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was then and this is now. And the cuts were caused by Martinez’s sharp punching. See my piost above on this.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i did, but the fact that martinez caused the cuts doesnt’ mean that he couldn’t see out of them. i’m not taking anything away from martinez because of the cuts because like you said the cuts were caused by the fury of sergio’s gloves. that doesn’t change the fact that the cuts were bad cuts that would make even the toughest of mexicans cringe and think of quitting.

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok ok – I see you point and I respect it.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

that Pavlik is still a dangerous opponent for guys like Kessler,Froch and Abraham,the more stationary guys who are easier to hit.Kelly will always have that one punch KO power.
He just needs to stay away from guys like Ward,Dirrell and Bute,as you say Ted.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of those guys are heavy hitters… and much better fighters than Taylor. If Taylor could get to him… all the above could stop him.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and much better fighters than Taylor

“Much” better? Carl Froch is “much” better than Jermain Taylor? Arthur Abraham is “much” better than Jermain Taylor? What has Kessler ever done to prove he’s “much” better than Jermain Taylor? And keep in mind we’re talking about the 2007 version of Taylor. The 2009 version of Taylor was 14 seconds from beating Froch.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was hyperbole…

I don’t think it is unreasonable to say that Taylor should have lost vs Hopkins, lost vs Wright… and flat out looked horriable vs Ouma and Spinks.

I mean… jeez… Zab Judah KO’ed Spinks… Think about that…

I remember coming into the fight Spinks had to lose 35 lbs to make weight… and he couldn’t take his ass out…

I love Taylor… he is a fighters fighter. a mans man… but how much of his greatness was due to HBO pushing him towards the American public.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

and flat out looked horriable vs Ouma and Spinks.

How did he look horrible against Ouma? He completely dominated that fight. And almost nobody ever looks good against Spinks, and Spinks was in a particularly ugly mood that night because he wanted nothing to do with Taylor.

I mean… jeez… Zab Judah KO’ed Spinks… Think about that…

OK, I thought about. So what? I guess you’re saying that Judah is small, but I don’t see how this is particularly relevant in making Jermain Taylor somehow “much worse” than Mikkel Kessler or Carl Froch or Arthur Abraham.

I love Taylor… he is a fighters fighter. a mans man… but how much of his greatness was due to HBO pushing him towards the American public.

How much of anyone’s greatness is due to promoting? A lot of it. Muhammad Ali got help being Muhammad Ali, too. HBO has helped Roy Jones, Oscar de la Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Bernard Hopkins, Vernon Forrest, Arturo Gatti, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Kelly Pavlik, Lucian Bute, Zab Judah, Miguel Cotto, Felix Trinidad, Winky Wright, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Paul Malignaggi, Marcos Maidana, Ricky Hatton, Antonio Tarver, Joe Calzaghe, Chad Dawson, Cristobal Arreola, Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, David Tua, Hasim Rahman, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Juan Manuel Lopez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Juan Diaz, Nate Campbell, Joan Guzman, Humberto Soto, Ali Funeka, Kermit Cintron, and basically everyone else that’s been on their network. The level to which Taylor was pushed was higher than most of those guys, but not all of them, and not near what they’ve done with Oscar and Floyd and Roy and probably even Shane. It doesn’t make him “much worse” than Kessler or Froch or Abraham. I just don’t think you’re right about this, nor do I think any of those three have achieved anything more notable than what Taylor did.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouma went the distance… that is why it was horrible….

The Judah/Spinks fight was at 147… the fight was at 160… It is hard for me to see anyone at 154 that would go the distance vs Kessler, Froch or Abraham at 168.

The thing is how much of his greatness is due to his wins vs Hopkins that are very debatable?

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taylor was a very talented boxer

With a serious stamina issue. I think he would still have a very good chance at beating Kessler or beating Froch in a rematch. And he’s extremely faded now to say the least.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouma went the distance… that is why it was horrible….

…why? Ouma is an incredibly durable fighter.

The Judah/Spinks fight was at 147

Right, I know.

… the fight was at 160…

Yes.

It is hard for me to see anyone at 154 that would go the distance vs Kessler, Froch or Abraham at 168.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all. Picking some schmuck from 154 and having Carl Froch knock him out does not prove to me that he’s better than that version of Taylor simply because Spinks refused to engage Taylor whatsoever in a middleweight fight. This is not a unique situation. It has happened before and will happen again. Winning by knockout doesn’t just happen, and it’s hard to do it when you’re facing Spinks, especially in that fight where Spinks’ plan was to stink out the joint and try to steal a decision.

The thing is how much of his greatness is due to his wins vs Hopkins that are very debatable?

Well before you said “the thing” was that HBO made him out to be better than he was, which apparently somehow makes Mikkel Kessler and his hit list of Danilo Haussler and Gusmyr Perdomo this superior fighter who is “much better” than Taylor ever was, despite the fact that Kessler has shown emphatically that he’s flawed and limited, too. So “the thing” has nothing to do with Bernard Hopkins either.

“The thing” is that you are completely exaggerating everything you’re saying here — none of those three fighters are “much” better than Taylor was, if they’re really better at all; Taylor’s win over Ouma was not “horrible” because he didn’t knock him out, which is absurd to even say; Taylor’s win over Spinks was a terrible fight and you can lay that at the doorstep of Spinks and his stinkbomb performance, but he won that fight, and I dare say none of the other three have many wins even that good; and none of it has anything to do with “how much of his greatness” is because of two wins over Bernard Hopkins or how HBO marketed him or Zab Judah.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 19, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taylor

never stopped him though.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 18, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

and taylor only REALLY

got to him when pavlik stupidly stuck his chin out, and promptly got knocked the fuck down. yeah he was easy to hit, but that doesn’t mean that he’s easy to take down. sergio made pavlik look like it was raining blood, and he still kept moving forward as if nothing was wrong

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martinez doesn’t exactly had buzzing power at middleweight… He has respectable power but not a knockout puncher.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

that there were two different times that Kelly said something in the corner that Loew did not like. I kept asking, “What did he say?” but we couldn’t figure it out. Judging by Loew’s reaction it was something in the ballpark of surrender.

Maybe he was saying that he couldn’t see.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

He does not stike me as the kind of guy who would quit, but......

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not

ready to say that KP beats AA based on Abraham’s dismal night against Dirrell.

Different styles. Plus, AA was, IMO, coming on.
And we might get to see if Abraham can adjust to Andre because they might meet again.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

You may well be right. If AA hits Pavlik flush, bawooom!!

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pavlik gets hit far too often for an elite fighter…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for cuts and quitting, don’t forget the cut Hagler had when fighting Hearns. They would hve to shoot Hagler before a cut would make him quit.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

That fight also only lasted three rounds

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by Brickhaus on Apr 20, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot

of fighters will quit once under particular circumstances. …

But this is getting off topic and onto a whole other thread.,

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

or fanpost

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does

anyone know if the fanpost above “Valero arrested for killiing wife” is a joke?

The link leads to nowehre.

by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

SC did an article for it in the main page, its no joke

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

nO JOKE. eSPECIALLY FOR THE POOR WIFE.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile, I have been on ESB for most of the morniung. Payback is a bitch.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Say hi to Booradley and Hermit while you’re there.

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by Brickhaus on Apr 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Revenge is mine, sayeth the Lord.

But it IS fun getting back, isn’t it?

by FrankinDallas on Apr 18, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Very interested in what will be Martinez next move. Pavlik I think will take some time off while his cuts heal before enforcing his rematch. Williams has Cintron coming up. Will Martinez await the winner or take another fight in the mean time? Not only that, but where will he fight? He’s the man at Middleweight now. But he’s still in possession of the WBC Junior Middleweight title. There’s no doubt he can still make 154 without problems.

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by Violent Demise on Apr 18, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Next Move for Martinez

How about a rematch win the Cheater ? Or A fight with Angulo ? I’d even like to see him end the Latin Snakes terrible run !!! BUT the fights I’d pay to see him take are with Margaito OR Angulo.That said all I keep hearing is that he’ll take on the Cintron vs Williams winner.Too bad cause an Angulo matchup would be a Fight Of The Year candidate IMO !!!

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