Edwin Valero's wife dead, Valero confesses to killing her
by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
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UPDATE: ESPN.com's report has this:
[Venezuelan Federal Police Chief Wilmer] Flores said Valero left the hotel room around dawn on Sunday and told the hotel's security personnel that he had killed Viera.
This is a horrible story to have to talk about. Keep the comments as civil as you can.
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Shocking news out of Venezuela this afternoon, as Dan Molinski reports at BoxingScene.com that star boxer Edwin Valero has been arrested on suspicion of murder of his wife, who was found dead in a Valencia hotel room, stabbed several times. She was just 24 years old.
Since his February win over Antonio DeMarco, Valero's personal life has been one of constant police reports. He was suspected of beating his wife last month, but official charges weren't pressed after his wife claimed to have fallen down stairs. Valero did cause a scene in the hospital, and had to be taken in for that, but was released shortly thereafter and supposedly was going to undergo alcohol counseling.
Valero then intended to go to Cuba to train and undergo rehabilitation counseling, but instead missed his flight and crashed his car. Drunk, he attempted to flee the scene. Last week, says Jhonny Gonzalez at BoxingScene.com, Valero's "inner circle" told reporters that the fighter had been beating his wife.
Last year, Valero was accused of assaulting his mother and sister, but nothing much came of it despite a damaged reputation.
Now, the situation has taken a gruesome and horrifying turn.
There will be more on this situation as it develops, obviously. Rest in peace, Jennifer Carolina Viera de Valero.
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Wow this is crazy. Bye Valero it was nice knowing you
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Apr 18, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So crazy
Get this ass face in jail and let him rot. How did Venezuelan police officals not have this guy locked up already? It was evident he threw his wife down the steps, but she said she fell. Now she got stabbed to death. This is one of the most bizarre situation I have seen with a fighter.
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 18, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
This is one prediction I wish I was wrong about. How horrible and sad. But it was obvious that this was coming sooner or later.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
as awful as it sounds this is the first thing that came to mind, you were (unfortunately) right. i’m not going to say anything else about this.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen this stuff play out up close. I was hoping like hell someone would get her stateside.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
This is sad for her family....and disgusting
This is what happens when any man, in this case a celebrated fighter, is given a pass and ‘enabled’ to go about his business after viciously beating his wife (and/or any woman). He should have been in prison …and she should have been protected. And alive.
Venezuelan news sources have said Valero has confessed. One of the them is speculating that Valero disarmed his wife of the knife after she tried to stab him. Self defense will be his defense.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
Don't start this stuff up again.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Don’t start what? I’m just telling you what there speculating. Can you read Spanish? Go to a couple of Venezuelan sites and read the shit yourself.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Apr 18, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not, actually. I’m sure that’ll be the defense they offer. It’s about all they’ve got, I’m guessing. He’s confessed to the murder.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And what a spectacular defense that would be. A pro boxer who found no recourse but to stab to death a small woman who was recovering from a punctured lung. From falling down “stairs.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Just sickening, sickening news.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 18, 2010 2:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You know, I don’t want this to sound like I’m searching for an “excuse” for Valero, because I am not, but I think it would be really beneficial to know if there’s something going on medically in his brain that is causing this behavior. The brain bleed from years ago is still no joke, and despite passing medical standards in Japan, Venezuela, Mexico and Texas, he HAS been getting hit in the head for a while. Going this far gives me a reason to feel maybe this isn’t just a drunk with rage issues or something of that nature — there might really be more to it. I’m not saying he should be given a pass or anything of the sort, but it would be good to understand more about a condition like that if he does have one, and I don’t think it’s that far-fetched, either.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Having had a brain bleed myself, this news and your well-thought out post above have me unnerved!!!
Meanwhile, Valero will a fighter who will finish with an undefeated record, but also with a dead wife. Terrible saga all the way around.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he is done. To much baggage even for Texas
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
too
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No way he gets into the U.S. or Japan now, or probably anywhere else with any standards.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Texas?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
like i said
no way would this guy just be in prison for 10 years if this happened here. he would go straight to death row. now please, for god’s sake, leave my state alone
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
average death row term between sentence and execution is 11 years.
the amount of due process provided is significant, and that’s for good reason.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Meaning that its stupid expensive for this due process. I’m not sure if giving this guy the death penalty is worth the millions of dollars that its going to take to move this case through the specialized hoops. Of course this is theoretical since the case isn’t in the US…
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The United States government won’t even let him in now, and Texas has to adhere to that, too. No way after this.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
this might sound like sick, black humor but...
he would be dead within the next five years if this happened in texas.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s overstated everywhere.
Sex offenders/rapists/spouse abusers don’t get “offed” in prison very often anymore. They’re segregated.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
i meant death penalty. last i checked we still have it, and we still a ton of people that way.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
still kill* a ton of people that way
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously lots of people have had brain bleeds and nothing like this happened or even came close to happening. But lots of guys had a lot of concussions and didn’t turn into Chris Benoit, either. When they did a brain scan on Benoit after his murder/suicide, it revealed that he had a brain similar to a 70-year-old Alzheimer’s patient.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m also not saying I suspect this IS the case. Just that it would be worth finding out.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They can probably do an autopsy on him after they hang him. Not sure if lethal injection would screw that up at all.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Venezuala does not use the death penalty
We are the last civilized country to still use the death penalty.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Not technically no
Although I suppose they could send him to Yare, where the monthly body counts rival most cities.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
This is an interesting number
An average of 34 inmates are violently killed per month in Venezuela, or about the yearly average for total executions conducted in the much larger United States. I suppose there are all different kinds of “civilized.”
http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2005/09/death-penalty-in-venezuela.html
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I think he is too friendly with the higher-ups to have him get the death penalty. The courts have already shown that Valero gets special treatment, I don’t think he will get the death penalty.
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
They may wish to right wrongs
And try to compromise for essentially, partially allowing this death.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That would most definitely show up in the brain scans that he has had. Now could chronic drinking lead to a deterioration of his condition in conjunction with impaired brain function, probably. Difference scans between his brain and a healthy brain should be able to tell if there is any part of the brain that has decreased function. If it exists, it has to be in a medical report or some doctors did a terrible job.
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No relationship between Chronic drinking and brain bleeds per se, but chronic drinking combined with a natural procliivity toward anger and rage could lead to this behavior—in my opinion. Some alacoholics have a nasty personality chnage as we all know. Valero seems to fit this mode. But a lot of this behavior has occurred over the past two years. The accident occured some time ago. I just don’t see a relationship based on the duration of event.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Could getting hit in the head a lot change the dynamics of the previous condition? That’s the thing — this came up mostly in the past year or so.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. Probably could.
The combo of rage, sunstance abuse, brain bleed, and getting hit in training and in bouts could be a dangerous cocktail.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He could also be a paranoid, jealous wife-beating turd who hit her to feel better about himself, and who killed her because he couldn’t completely control her. There’s always that theory.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Apr 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hes clearly got many issues. his brain could be one. im sure he was under the influence as well.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Apr 18, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So what I was thinking was that there could be very slight damage to the section of the brain that essentially keeps you in control. Since alcohol affects that too, he could essentially be getting an increased influence whenever he drinks the alcohol. Why has this started to get really bad last year? Maybe the pressure of trying to break through led to more drinking or something.
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 18, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Just so sad. The worst part is that it should have been avoided. I honestly feel angry knowing that he should have been locked up after the last incident, that she should have gotten away. That if we could have seen this coming, that surely those close to the situation could.
AS for the brain bleed contributing to the situation, it’s possible, changes in blood flow can certainly affect temperament. Anyone who has seen how senility can in some cases lead to an angry disposition has seen this, but I would say he is likely predisposed to violence and anger.
Anyway, I was a fan of his until the beating, and now I say good riddance.
Great point
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
He beat the crap out of his wife, and instead of being tossed in jail, or ordered to stay away from her, they bought the bullshit “She fell down a flight of stairs covered in fists” excuse. And now the poor woman’s dead.
Valero can go to hell, along with whoever in the government down there gave him special treatment.
by Verklemptomaniac on Apr 18, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
this is crazy
my jaw literally dropped when i saw this on the front page of espn.com
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
Si, muy trieste, muy.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
These were the exact words I responded with when I saw this story.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I guess it's
easy to say that was not hard to see this coming now (I think of the thread about him beating his wife up, the picture that went with it, and someone talking about how she looked like a child—a very scared one), but it is very sad.
I feel horrible especially for the poor girl, but I feel sad for Valero too.
Sorry if that offends anyone, but some wires are not right in that man’s head.
The authorities who let him walk around until he was ready to check into a rehab bear blame too. The only place his ass should have been checking in was jail—for a good long visit.
What a crazy situation.
What goes through a persons mind to do such a thing?
by Phill on Apr 18, 2010 3:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nothing healthy.
Guaranteed, you wouldn’t want to live inside that man’s head.
I’m done.
RIP Edwin Valero's boxing career
7/9/02 – 4/18/10
He had the potential to be the undisputed Lightweight champion in the new few years imo.
Sometime around the DeMarco fight, I posted here that Valero was sort of like this generation’s Ike Ibeabuchi, Mike Tyson, or Tony Ayala. Those guys look like pikers in comparison to Valero now.
I reacll that you did
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
venezuala has a reputation for having some of the world’s most beautiful women.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Along with Colombia
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And as one poster
said after the beating, she looked like a child—and a scared one.
by Don From Prov on Apr 18, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, she was.
damn. just… damn. what a shame.
This is surreal. Didn’t anyone see this coming?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/3/29/1395225/valero-sent-to-rehab
http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/3/25/1390609/valero-arrested-for-domestic
http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/9/29/1060007/edwin-valero-and-family-deny
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/9/27/1057380/edwin-valero-arrested-for-domestic
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
This is sad for her family....and disgusting
This is what happens when any man, in this case a celebrated fighter, is given a pass and ‘enabled’ to go about his business after viciously beating his wife (and/or any woman). He should have been in prison …and she should have been protected. And alive.
by pakinpower on Apr 18, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is on the front page of msn.com
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 18, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
Not true
Even if you use the ridiculously narrow definition of civilized countries as “countries with Western style democracy”, it’s still not accurate. Japan and South Korea have the death penalty along with the US.
South Korea has a moratorium in place and Japan only uses it for people convicted for multiple murders. – And Japan barely uses it. They haven’t in 2010.
So – Valero wouldn’t be eligible for death in either of those countries, his own country, nor would he likely be subject to death in ANY state in the US for about a decade and a couple million dollars.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
China
They executed a state official last year for extreme corruption. I totally agree with your point that the death penalty sucks though.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 18, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s China bro.
I’m not opposed to the death penalty. I’m opposed to it as exists in the US, where it’s racist, sexist, and most importantly, classist. If you’ve got money for a good defense attorney, you don’t get the death penalty, no matter what you did, even in Texas. That’s the sick bottom line behind the death penalty in the U.S.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
by lcollins1 on Apr 18, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am a big pro death penalty guy… but I only in favor of it being used in certain felonies… i.e; serial killing, child killing, public/service( cops) officials, and terrorism.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
I’ll reiterate what LC said up earlier in this thread. I have nothing against the death penalty in theory but I have something against how it is implemented in the US. The inherent biases and the costs make it way too costly/risky to ever implement effectively.
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 19, 2010 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is killing a 'public service' official worse than killing someone else?
Are their lives worth more?
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Arguably
Should we really get into this?
Perhaps because they risk their lives to protect us, for really very little reward, they deserve a higher level of importance in these matters. Cops certainly think so!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. It’s often said that criminal laws have four purposes: retribution, deterrence, incapacitation, and rehabilitation. Killing a public official wouldn’t be morally worse so it wouldn’t call for a harsher punishment as far as retribution goes. But it’s more important to deter killing a public official for a variety of reasons. For example, when a public official gets killed, there’s a ripple effect through the government that ends up harming a lot more people. Also, there are people out there with fanatical political views who might feel like killing a public official is worthwhile even if they get caught, so you have to up the punishment to deter them.
I disagree SO MUCH with this.
Having just written a dissertation which focuses largely on Louis Althusser and Ideological State Apparatuses, I can only surmise that you’ve been conditioned to think the way you do.
It’s ok though, I still think you’re awesome. lol
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I'm staying out of the death penalty stuff but
It’s China bro.
China isn’t exactly perfect but sayign that their outside of the civilized world isn’t really fair. I suppose it depends on our seperate definitions of civilization but it can be argued that China are now a first rate power, more based on economic growth rather than actual current economic status, so I see them as worthy of our consideration in terms of which countries are civilized.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 19, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
My grammar is appaling here
Apologies, I had just woken up.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 19, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You should be ashamed.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
oh they’re a first-rate power alright. But look, if you’re willing to talk about international perspectives in regards to the death penalty, you’re already more progressive than 4 Supreme Court Justices.
Check this out – look which countries kill a shit load of people. Are those civilized countries?:
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Indeed they are not
And I’m surprised at the volume of people executed in China, even with proportionate population taken into account.
Very interesting site, thanks for the link.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 19, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Stunner
Once you start going down a dark road, it can be hard to turn it around. Unfortunate for the Valero family, and her family.
Why the hell was this guy allowed to be out and roaming around?
To be even allowed to kill her. The system unfortunately failed this women, the treasure of Venezuela was protected beyond measure because that banana Republic wanted a national idol.
Oh man. I just saw this on my local news station’s website and immediately came over here. If you had asked me about this a few weeks ago when the last Valero incident was reported, I would have said something like this was a possibility, but I’m still shocked today.
What a waste. One beautiful woman, one amazing talent, both wasted. It’s horrible.
It's absolutely ridiculous
that it had to come to this before they lock this guy up… If they had taken action sooner… RIP
"Piss on the lamb, piss on Mary and Piss on You!"
Holy shit. this is shocking to me...
I know he’s like the War Machine of boxing, but I would never have expected this… RIP..
RIP Mrs Valero
I wish I hadn’t seen that pic of Valeros wife . What a fucking tragedy and an avoidable one at that .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
me too.
i remember watching the valero-demarco fight, and there was a camera shot of valero’s wife (I think that pic was from that footage). I remember thinking about the contrast in their looks. Valero looks like he came straight from hell, while she looks like she’s sent from the heavens.
by garapataman on Apr 18, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He should have been in fucking jail to begin with
The Venezuelan cops do their job right the first time, and she’s still alive.
You could see this was going to happen eventually, and I remember a few people here commenting to that effect. I’m just shocked it was so soon.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Brick, there were several problems. For one, the justice system down there could not try Valero unless Jennifer agreed to press charges. It used to be that way in this country too, with terrible consequences. Personally, I think the judge tried to do as much as he could for her by committing Valero, but since Edwin was a walking-talking propaganda poster for Uncle Hugo I knew there wasn’t much chance of that working out either. Sad to say, but this was written in stone. The medical report describing her injuries from “the stairs” was textbook. He was on the verge of killing her, and next time he was going to do it.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
am stunned
fuck, what a tragedy….can hardly believe it…you called it, but I really thought naively that she might get away before he finally ended it.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
What a tragedy. I usually don’t care about public figure’s private lives. I couldn’t understand why anybody would care that Michael Jackson died or any celebrity really, but this is really bumming me out. Real Sports last wekk was rough and now this. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Valero children and his wife’s family.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
Hopefully
Doug Fischer will put Valero’s jock strap away for good now and stop making excuses for this imbecile.
Recent mailbag says…eh sort of. First entry makes Hulk angry….
http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1832/dougies_massive_monday_mailbag/
Quote of the mailbag “I agree that the sport helped him focus his inner rage but I’m not sure that what happened Saturday or early Sunday wouldn’t have happened outside of Venezuela…”
False: In almost any other country he would have been in jail for beating his wife and therefore this would not have occurred. Stop making excuses.
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 19, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping that Doug would be sensible
And never mention him again, or issue one very clear and concise statement about refuting his previous opinion of him completely. Instead he half makes excuses; it’s classless.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 19, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s true. It was only pretty recently that attitudes toward domestic violence changed even in the U.S. There are a great many countries in the world where men escape punishment for beating their wives, and it even still happens on occasion in the U.S.
on occasion
happens all the time. Domestic abuse is the most frequently charged offense in Bexar County, TX. Very often the woman won’t press charges, even if she initially called the cops. D.A. may have pictures, but if he’s got no victim, it’s hard to go to trial.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I don’t read anything Fischer said in that mailbag as making excuses for Valero.
It’s important to remember that Fischer actually knew Valero personally. If a friend of mine committed a terrible crime, I would feel tremendous sadness not only for the victim but also for my friend. I do not think that would mean I was “making excuses” for my friend. I would accept that he needed to be punished, but he would not cease to be a human being and I would not act as if I never knew him.
If we don’t feel the same way toward strangers who commit terrible crimes, maybe it’s our attitude toward the strangers that should change, not our attitude toward those we know.
I think you said something similar about Roach and Margerito. Knowing a crook or murderer in a peripheral/ business way isn’t the same as being a friend or brother.
This is a guy who viciously beat and then killed his wife while authorities, friends and relatives all looked the other way, for various reasons. Maybe it’s not our attitude towards friends or strangers who commit crimes that should change, but rather our obsession with trying to rationalize all evil acts as some sort of “disease.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I’m very emphatically not saying we should rationalize evil acts. The evil acts must be recognized for what they are and punished. But punishing the evil acts is not the same thing as considering the person who committed those acts to be somehow less than human. We should punish the acts, but we should do it dispassionately.
I think it’s for this reason that, in all civilized societies, criminal punishment is handled only by the state, not by victims and vigilantes seeking revenge.
Good points in there, Taco
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Valero now reported to have hung himself in police cell
In Spanish:
http://www.boxeomundial.net/boxeo.php?category=noticias&id=17211
Couple of other forums reporting same as well.
Well and truly fucked up.
More reliable link
http://www.eluniversal.com/2010/04/19/suc_ava_aparece-muerto-el-bo_19A3763411.shtml
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
WTF? Apparently he killed himself.
I just saw this and the news is reporting that he’s killed himself. This is a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions. What a weird and terrible story.
Sadly enough it was just as he was breaking out. Tragedy all around.
Very hard to feel anything about the suicide
in light of what he did to his wife, but everyone can agree that this entire saga is incredibly tragic.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 19, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
My prayers to her family
And now I’m seeing he killed himself. Unbelievable. He must of been very very troubled.
Jesus Christ. This got really bad, really quickly.
Wow.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
unreal and surreal
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
I feel like a moron now for ever worrying that I wouldn’t get to see him fight when he was having trouble getting a license in the US. That’s such a silly thing to worry about when you think of life’s tragedies.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
Fyodor Dostoevsky 1-0 Edwin Valero.
Anyone who has read Crime and Punishment knows what I’m getting at….
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
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