Edwin Valero commits suicide in jail cell
by Scott Christ on Apr 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
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The end of a terrible and shocking story has come. Early this morning, Edwin Valero, the former two-division titlist who had just been arrested for the murder of his wife in Venezuela, hanged himself by his sweat pants in his jail cell, ending his own life.
It's the final awful step in what had been about a two-year downward spiral for the fighter. Over that time, he'd been involved in multiple incidents, including assault of his mother, sister and wife, a DUI charge in Texas that made it impossible for him to fight in the one state in the U.S. that would license him, several traffic incidents, gun charges, and God knows what else that never got reported.
The AP has quotes from those who knew the troubled fighter:
Jose Castillo, Valero’s manager, criticized authorities for failing to act more forcefully to prevent the killing.
"I asked the authorities not to let him out. He needed a lot of help. He was very bad in the head," Castillo told reporters. "But they let him out. They were very permissive with him and because of that, we’re now in the middle of this tragedy."
[Valero lawyer Milda] Mora, however, said Valero "didn’t accept the help the government gave him."
"He was the only one responsible," Mora said.
Valero's two children, who are eight and five years old, are staying with their grandmother. They have now lost two parents in a span of about 48 hours, their father murdering their mother, and then taking his own life. That's something they'll have to try to understand and live with for the rest of their lives. So really, I shouldn't even say "the end" of this has come. Those two children have entire lives to live.
Bad Left Hook sends our best wishes to the children and families of Jennifer Carolina Viera and Edwin Valero. None of this is going to be easy for anybody who knew the couple. I can't even imagine being in the position they're in now.
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Great dignity with this thread. The collateral damage on something like this is simply terrible.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
An awful situation
I never realised there were children involved. It’s almost like a real nightmare, hard to take in. RIP
by Phill on Apr 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Indeed it can Jcarr
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What was a horrific occurence turned into something even worse,especially for their kids.
What a tragedy and terribly sad situation.
I am in no way trying to make excuses but i think the guy was obviously mentally ill.
Whether he was evil as well,only those who knew him personally could probably answer that.
I think you made your point perfectly the first time, for what it's worth.
And in my own opinion, there are urges and such inside of every person, and we all contemplate in theory or the abstract acting on some of these impulses. That said, I know with certainty that there are some people who will act on these urges when their inhibitions are down and there are some who simply will not. We kind of pre-select for the violent types in our combat (or even conTACT) sports competitors.
My heart goes out to those kids.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Michael Marley has some quotes from Bob Arum:
“I was shocked, really shocked, when he murdered the wife. But I was not shocked to hear this morning that he killed himself.”
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Top Rank head honcho Bob Arum said the suicide by hanging in a Venezuelan jail cell was “the first sensible thing” that undefeated world lightweight champion boxer Edwin “El Inca” Valero had done lately.
Typical class from Arum.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Scum
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
he really is a scumbag. i thought his behavior and rants defending plasterfists were bad. this takes the cake.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Apr 19, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel less bad about laughing at Chaos’s terrible joke on that other thread….
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, it does. He puts hisa finger in the air to see wich way the public sentiment is blowing and then yelps out
this kind of fillth. He is scum-incarnate. Are you feeling me on this?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought Fight Promoters were scum .........
Arum should shut the fuck up , there’s family and children involved in this . What an asshole.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I have to agree with arum, I know there are children that were left without parents, but this "guy" was not right.
'Ello G'vnor!
Dude...
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 20, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody asked you to cry for him
But the statement from Arum was tasteless and without any class. The effect of what Valero did on his family does not need to be intensified by hearing stuff like this.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 20, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Sad end to a sad series of events. I hope they’re able to do a final CT scan and other medical procedures to find out what really was wrong.
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theres no physical test for "insane"
It wouldn’t shock me if he had brain damage, but who knows how much of it is boxing related (his brain bleed was from an auto accident). Even then, saying “boxing made me kill my wife and myself” is a reach. To be honest, I don’t know if I would be totally shocked if he was just crazy (not boxing induced or car accident related).
When the looked at the guy’’s brain who kille all those people from the Texas Tower in Austin (Whitman was his name, I believe), they found a tumor.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
Lotsa guys here are claiming that this was the result of a head injury, but so far I haven’t heard anyone who knew him saying that. So far no one close to him has claimed, “Oh you should have met Edwin before the brain bleed, he was such a nice boy. He was so different back then.” Instead, everybody seems to be talking about his drugging and boozing and temper. It usually doesn’t take much more than that.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Apr 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lotsa guys here are claiming that this was the result of a head injury
No they aren’t. They’re saying, like I said yesterday, that it wouldn’t hurt to look at his brain and see if there was something more to this than “Edwin Valero is an evil drunk dick!” Chances are, frankly, that that’s all it is. But why not look? Why not find out? Why not learn something if there is something to be learned?
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Apr 19, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. It’s the same thing that they did with Chris Benoit. It’s helpful to learn as much as we can when a situation arises that affords us the opportunity to do so.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm usually against this type of 'invasion' into a person's 'privacy,'
but I’m all for it in this instance. We’re talking about an incidence that is (seemingly) more prevalent among these testosterone-fueled meat machines, and one that has truly dire consequences attached.
A truly in-depth autopsy might reveal some warning flags that can be checked via MRI or CT scan if there is a standard abnormality somewhere in the body/brain. If there’s even a 10% chance of preventing something like this, I think the pro killers like those in MMA, boxing or the NFL would be more than willing to screen themselves regularly.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
They may autopsy him. But you can’t force an autopsy in a suicide.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Well, I’d imagine that if the police ruled it a suicide, that’s the end of it. If the family pays for or allows a private autopsy or donates his body to science I suppose that would be a way. Again, I wouldn’t count on Venezuela to do any of this stuff. Chavez has big time egg on his face for carting Valero around with him to public rallies, praising him as a national hero and, most recently, trying to fix his situation in Cuba right before he murdered his wife and then offed himself.
Frankly, even if the Venezuelan authorities conducted an investigation, I doubt you could trust the results no matter how it turned out. Whatever conclusion most benefited Chavez and his revolution, that’s what would be released. Chavez just finished nationalizing the television media, after all, after already having nationalizing the banks, energy companies and telcoms. It’s possible that they could claim with a straight face Valero was the victim of an "imperialist plot" that’s how bad it’s getting down there.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Apr 19, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good post, jrok.
Pretty much outlines many/most of the differences between the countries here.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
The twin evil of booze and drugs can change people and make them do things they can’t even remember.I have experience of this in my youth with a few (ex) ‘friends’,though nothing with such terrible consequences as this.
Wow.
This all just seems to have happened so fast.
Not that we haven’t watched his transgressions over the years, but that makes it no less shocking.
What a sad, sudden ending.
by Hatfield on Apr 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It’s good to see that just about all of the posters here are taking a balanced view on this tragedy and reaching out to the families. This is in stark contrast to the incredible venom being spewed at Valero on some of the other sites. It is so easy to condemn without knowing the full story. It is so easy to spew hate. But the collateral damage done by this murder-suicide will be horrendous and trying to cushion that for those impacted is where the energy should be directed. I am proud of BLH.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
i have that same very venom
but i’m holding back out of respect.
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
But that’s the difference between BLH and other sites. Respect.
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 19, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. For the most part, the regulars on this site have acknowledged this as a terrible tragedy on all sides. The easiest thing to do at this point would be to paint Valero as a monster, and, I must admit, when I first heard of the news, my stomach churned at the very image of the man. But none of us really know what went on in that head of his, and whether or not he was in “complete” control of himself. For my part, I’m not inclined to absolve him of any guilt here, though. Until we know for sure what the autopsy says about his brain, he does still appear to have been a violent, vicious, unpredictable, disturbed man, capable, as is now tragically apparent, of the most heinous of crimes. However, I do feel that there are some more people to be held accountable over this than just Edwin Valero himself.
Ultimately, that's the only difference between people in general.
Some can restrain themselves, others can’t. Restraint in and of itself isn’t invaluable, but there are instances where the application of it is almost necessary, never mind appropriate.
And I guess I’ll say it’s one of the many reasons why I (irregularly) post here.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
theres a time and place to trash valero and spew hate and whatever else. now isn’t the time.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Apr 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhat.
He murdered his wife (strangled her I think) and then may have tried to committ suicide, but failed. Later, during one of his weekend breaks from prison, he was fatally injured in an auto accident. Some speculated that he may have killed himself.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
the wife he killed he beat her ass and then threw her off a balcony.
he beat the piss out of just about every lady he came across
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Apr 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a psycho with his wives.
Strange dude. He’d smoke 2 packs a day and had incredible stamina in the ring. Strange all the way around, but you have to compartmentalize when you look at him and, yes, even Valero, and view what they did in the ring seperatly from what they did outside of the ring. I have tried to do this throughout my adult life in order to maintain some semblance of objectivity. Not always an easy task. Not bragging; just sharing something that works for me in a situation like this.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Defenestrated her
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
that sounds quite dirty
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he tossed her off a balcony, not threw a window.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Apr 19, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This is some of the sadest shit I've read in a while
Freakin’ Valero man
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by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
Yeah, he and Bute are/were my favorites. Damn shame.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Comparison of his behavior before and after the accident will be interesting. But even more interesting will be what his friendsand team in Japan say about his behavior. And close friends like Jorge Linares. Also, I believe Ponce de Leon knew him pretty well; they reportedly trained together and that will be somewhat revealing as well.
One thing I could never undersatnd were the rumors about his alleged substance abuse. His stamina was incredible and his training techniques were the thing og legends in the LA Gyms. He could go 20 rounds if he needed to as the story goes. This just doesn’t seem to square with a guy who supposedly abused his body.
Much of this seems to have developed in a short and relatively recent period of time. Much needs to be investigated here so that the full facts can be examined. Mayhe there will be some lessons learned.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
He did
The two went at it in a hotel lobby, and Valero knocked him out with one punch. But it was never officially reported, so I didn’t do a story here. A lot of good sources have reported it now though.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
There are a lot of things that don’t sit right in this case. Like how can Top Rank have allowed this guy to continue to fight under their banner after he had been accused of beating up his mother, his wife while supposedly knowing, thanks to Honda, that he had serious problems? It doesn’t make sense to me how Arum, who is just exposing himself as more and more of a scumbag everyday, could have left the guy to his own devices without ensuring, as his promoter, that he be taken away to rehab and given some serious serious help.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 19, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
All I can say is, it is very, very unlikely that the Venezuelan authorities will investigate into this matter further, or that they will be forthright about their findings if they do. They will want to put Valero in his grave and drop the subject forever. This was likely embarrassing to many powerful and influential people down there, up to and including the prez.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Just a truly horrible story. Would like to think that Bob Arum and Top Rank will offer those kids the best possible aid they can get.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
I'm skeptical
But it would be the right thing to do.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
YES
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yea its not happening.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Apr 19, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And let's be honest,
it’s a cheap thing to do in ‘third world countries.’
Here in the Philippines, a Registered Nurse makes like $200-300/month. Doctors aren’t more than +50% that. I don’t know the standard of living in Venezuela, but even if it’s double here, that’s an awfully cheap piece of positive PR to go and buy (come on, that’s how Arum will likely view it, at least in part).
And that $200-300/month would mean worlds to those kids, assuming they aren’t already provided for.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Kind of reminds me of the Chris Benoit thing
we’ve one touched the tip of the iceberg about what massive head trauma does to the mind and how humans react to it. Clearly Valero had deep demons with substance abuse and spending a living getting punched in the head made for a toxic combination. I hope some of these guys hanging on to their glory (Roy, Evander) look at Valero and think hard about their choices.
Vote Quimby
And not only not proven, but not even raised anywhere else that I’ve seen in regards to Edwin Valero. Let’s try to have a little perspective. Lots of fighters (and other people) have had bleeds and head injuries and have not done anything remotely like what Valero has done. Everyone keeps mentioning one guy: Chris Benoit the wrestler. How about O.J? Did he have a brain bleed? Will he claim that football concussions made him kill his wife?
This stuff happens all the time and does not require getting hit in the head.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Hallelujah
Its not the time to start the where why how and who stuff but in the end does it even matter? My final comment is that I ive met plenty of wife beating asswipes that had uninjured brains . RIP Ms Valero , Edwin Valero and may your children find a way to somehow get over this absolute fucking tragedy .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
This stuff happens all the time and does not require getting hit in the head.
Definitely.
by Polish Rifle on Apr 19, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Point taken
But people are just putting together the pieces… If OJ had traumatic brain injuries (don’t really know), we’d probably be doing the same thing… In some sort of weird way, we are grieving… For the wife and kids, certainly not Valero…
"Piss on the lamb, piss on Mary and Piss on You!"
by angelofdeath on Apr 19, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Valero also was operated on for a blood clot which is way worse than just a brain bleed.
What he had was the typical boxer’s injury except they were able to get the clot without his going into a coma. It was very serious and no sane commission would ever have allowed him to fight. But “sane commission” is an oxymoron.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you all are right
but my point was head trauma + substance abuse. Its something boxers and fighters in general need to be careful and worried about. Some guys are just wired differently, I know. Clearly Valero had serious problems and who knows whats true and whats not. But he’s had drinking and substance abuse problems which take a toll on your body and when you combine that with head trauma, its scary. I wasn’t trying to make a judgement, I hope this is a warning to all fighters about substance abuse and alcohol abuse and what might happen in their chosen career. Thats all.
Vote Quimby
Credit
to all but the Texas Commission in America though.They did ban him.
Can you imagine the bad press if they had let him box in the US and this had happened there?
I felt bad yesterday..
When I read what had happened to Valero’s wife, but I also felt we’d lost a potential star in the making, I have to say I was looking forward to following his career. I was annoyed at him for different reasons.
Today’s news is just unbelievable.
Does that make sense to anyone on here?
by Phill on Apr 19, 2010 4:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It sure does. We are all victims of this tragedy in a way.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was angry yesterday, now I just don't know how to feel
And not to throw another theory in there on why this happened, but everyone keeps bringing up Benoit…. Would anabolic steroids (aka roid rage) be a viable cause?
"Piss on the lamb, piss on Mary and Piss on You!"
I can speak somewhat from experience here
Without sounding like a tool, I guess you could say I am a member of the amateur bodybuilding community. Years ago, I used anabolic steroids myself (under doctor supervision) with proper cycling on and off (prescription anti-estrogens,etc) and experienced no ‘rage’ or side effects at all.
That being said…. if they were not used in the manner I did, the possibility is out there that they could have that effect. I can’t speak on that since I never abused them.
Still just in shock about the whole situation today…
Thanks for the perspective.
Always helps to have an ‘inside’ view, even if it’s not a perfectly symmetrical.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Apr 19, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Although i was not at all suggesting that Valero was taking steroids.
I was just saying that that was said to be one of the main causes with Benoit.
I think they are obviously violent ,unstable men with with or without steroids.
I actually doubt he was on steroids
Simply because he didn’t look at all like he was on them. Other PEDs, possibly, but no anabolic steroid I can think of.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 20, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you weren't
And I was just saying why I agreed with you.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Simply because he didn’t look at all like he was on them.
Boy has this idea been thoroughly debunked a multitude of times in sports. Rafael Palmeiro never really looked like he was on steroids either, but he was. Not everyone turns into Barry Bonds or The Incredible Hulk.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 20, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I am aware of that
However I have been studying their effects as best I can since the Mayweather-Pacquiao PED thing and I don’t think that Valero was on them based upon the way he performed.
Despite this, I am so far from being an expert that it’s not even funny, and PED technology seems to change at a remarkably rapid rate, so this is just my own opinion.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 20, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I don’t believe he was either, if I had to decide one way or the other.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 20, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Typical
of the tabloid type boxing websites like ESB and Boxingscene to be running stories about how great Valero could have been and how it’s a sahme we’ll never see him fight Pacquiao.
Talk about insensitive,disrespectful idiots!
The man killed his wife not two days ago and then leaves his poor kids with no mum or dad while leaving the psychological scars with what is left of his family for the rest of their lives.
And them simpleton’s are running stories about us missing out on ‘dream matches’.
That’s why i read their stuff less and less nowadays.
Wankers.
You should read some of the posts.
Unreal
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I read this story
and my first thought is too have no sympothy for Valero. He killed his Wife, the mother of his two kids and then took the easy option in ending his own life. What kind of person does that??
But I also agree with other posts in that, his brain was damged, how much so and how this affected his personality, most likely we shall never know.
Im not sure weather this is a viable theory but maybe his brain damage is linked to his “anger management”. Being a boxer, and one that went for the knockout, he would have to have an edge about him when he steps in the ring, a (I hate to say it but i can’t think of another way) killer instinct. What if because of the damage he sometimes just flipped when he was angry??
Im definaltey not defending what happened, butthe brain is such a complex part of the body, its hard to realise what damage has been done and how this affects them
Thus far, and based on what I have read, I am staying with the theory that years of substance abuse may have been the major causal factor in his behavior. Time will tell, of course, and that’s where the lessons learned will come in.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 19, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
Good riddance
Too bad this piece of crap didn’t kill himself before he killed his wife. It’s a terrible injustice by the Venezuelan govt that this guy was let out so many times after domestic abuse.
A lot to digest here and this is only the beginning for Valero’s two young children. Sad stuff indeed. Peace to the Valero and Viera families. .
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Some people
are too damaged. That’s all, simply too damaged.
I feel terrible for those children.
Sorry Boxing/Sports Fans.....
But we can’t have it both ways. And in Valero’s case, every way. If you watched him fight and enjoyed doing so, you are (as am I) as complicit as the commissions that sanctioned him to do so after his brain injury. We paid to see a man fight with a serious injury because it pleased us to do so. And the business powers that be did what you should expect ….and made sure to oblige.
When he was driving under the influence, we all looked the other way. When he beat his sister and mother, the authorities looked a little further. So did most of us but, in this matter, it is too often those in power, the police and the judges, who do too little and thus are responsible.
When he cracked his wife’s and collapsed her lung, many if not most were hoping that he could/would be re-habbed. some even wanted to bring him stateside to do so!! As if we have extra visas for wife beaters.
Then he kills her….and some are surprised. Give me the biggest break. This is the story across the board with scum like Valero. Give them an opening and/or a pass and sure enough, they come back for more. Only the more is the battered woman, not them. Not us.
Now he is dead. I am at peace with that. He was going to be incarcerated for ever (or certainly beyond his boxing career) as he should be. His suicide only confirms that the man was sick. His death, no loss.
I personally am sick of that part of our culture that panders to and even celebrates men/women athletes and celebs who do bodily harm to others. They should be held to the same standard as the rest of us….and to which we hold ourselves.
Regardless of the causes, Edwin Valero was a demon in the ring….and a Devil outside.
May the Lord have mercy on the soul of his wife….and , yes, Bob Arum, you should take care of her family. pc
by pakinpower on Apr 19, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I’m sick of the lovefest and sympathy for this guy
by kibbled_bits on Apr 20, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Im in the way of thinking that Valero was an angry man who couldn’t control his rage. He lost it to the people who were closest to him. The substance abuse made things worse and his mood swings became deeper and nastier. Wether it was his brain bleed or maybe just the stress that came with the fame and fortune I dont know.
I feel for his kids and other members affected. I can only hope that they can move on from this dark time and live good lives.
Mosley - UD on 1st May
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It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 20, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions
Ghostman is in the house
Holy shite, The Legend has arrived. Hey Ghost. Welcome aboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 20, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Ted !!!
Or should I address you as…ready ? The Rouge ? The Bull ? Kid Blast ? New Bute Fan ? Or do you go by Midnight from now on ? LOL !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 21, 2010 7:28 AM EDT reply actions
Is Don Here Outa Prov ?
Hey Don how ya been ? Should we call you New England Donny or will The New England Strangler suffice ?
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 21, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions
Hey Ghostman,
truly great to see you. I look forward to talking to you on some of the threads at this far superior site.
But please, do not elevate OY to nemesis status. He was, and always will be, my little slap-boy.
P.S. “The Rattler from Attleboro” will do for now. Later, my friend!
by Don From Prov on Apr 21, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No Old Yank ?
Where is Dons arch nemesis ? Anyone else from the old place have a new name ? Would Taco Pal be TeTumbo ? I myself had to add the Son Of theWolf as Ghostman was already taken.Imagine that huh somebody had MY moniker ?
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 21, 2010 7:33 AM EDT reply actions
There are over 200 sites in our network. Nobody here has Ghostman, but someone on our network does. (Your ID can go to any of our sites.)
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 21, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And I can highly recommend that
You have a look at some of them if you are interested in other sports, as they are mostly of an excellent quality.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks I just might !!!
Anyways I like the Son of the Wolf as it’s tattooed on my arm and I’ve used it before.I separates me from the many Ghostmen including Pavlik & Robert Guerrero (LOL) !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 22, 2010 7:59 AM EDT reply actions
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