David Haye weighs in at 222, while John Ruiz weighs in at 231. This is Haye's heaviest weight by five pounds, while Ruiz is in the middle of the same range he's fought at the entire past decade. Photo from Sky Sports.
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by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
The higher weight tells me Haye’s looking for the KO/TKO.
He stiil looks in phenomenal shape.
The Valuev fight was boring but he did what he had to do against a much bigger man.He will be much more entertaining in this fight i think.
I'd expect
him to grow into a bigger Heavyweight, Matt. There’s still room in that frame for size.
But I bet you’re right: Unless John dissuades him, I think Haye will be looking for the KO.
by Don From Prov on Apr 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello Don.
Yeah i had just read something on boxingscene which(wrongly,imo) made a bit of a negative point out of this higher weight but like you say,the longer he’s at heavy,the more he’ll grow into it.
Haye looks damn good...
I have a non-Haye related question:
Is it possible guys (Chambers, Arreola, Haye, Povetkin, etc.) are just biding their time, waiting for the Klitschkos to retire? I mean, does it really mean the heavyweight division is THAT bad if the two guys at the top are just so physically overwhelming AND have the skills to keep almost anyone at bay?
"Gowin on fourth and 14 will punt it away. He hangs it very high, angling it for the near sideline...HAKIM DROPS THE BALL!!! HAKIM DROPS THE BALL!! Brian Milne might've fallen on it at the ten yard line! It's the New Orleans Saints' football! Brian Milne, the most unlikely hero of them all, falls on the fumble, the muff by Hakim! There is a God after all!" -- Jim Henderson
by hakimdropstheball on Apr 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Is it possible guys (Chambers, Arreola, Haye, Povetkin, etc.) are just biding their time, waiting for the Klitschkos to retire?
I dunno. Eddie and Arreola already fought one of the brothers each, so I don’t think you can say guys are just biding their time. But it does raise the question of what the division looks like when the Klitschkos are gone. Arreola will still be active, Haye probably will be, Eddie will be, Povetkin will be (though he’ll be well into his 30s by the time Wladimir is gone, I’m guessing). Will we look at that division as revitalized simply because it’s more open and competitive, or will we still be able to say it’s just a bunch of second-tier heavyweights crashing into each other?
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I doubt it
Haye’s trying to build himself up to get a better business deal with the Klitsschkos. He’ll get one eventually. Haye-either Klit is too big not to happen. It’s the best money fight available for all involved.
Povetkin has been biding his time because he’s been trying to mold himself into a type of fighter who would have a chance against Wlad, but his mandatory is about to come due.
Arreola just lost to Vitali and got a ton of cash for it. But the way he got dominated, he needs to build himself back up. If he can beat Adamek (also a legit top 10 guy), he’ll be right back in the mix.
Who knows with Chambers. Haven’t heard a peep from his camp since his loss.
There are some guys who do appear to be biding their time though. Denis Boytsov, for instance, seems to be in no rush. His team thinks he can win a title someday, but they have to know he has no shot against either brother.
On the other hand, two other German-based fighters are doing exactly the opposite. Robert Helenius and Kubrat Pulev are two names to watch out for. They’re novices, but have been moving at an extraordinary pace. Helenius was supposed to fight Valuev next (in his 12th pro fight), but broke his hand his last time out, so that’s not happening now. Pulev’s team says they want a title shot next year. They’re probably moving so fast because fighting a Klitschko means a huge payday, and those paydays won’t be there once they retire.
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Are either of the two
German-based fighters big punchers? What are their weaknesses/strengths?
by Don From Prov on Apr 2, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Helenius can punch
Helenius reminds me a lot of a bigger (albeit clumsier) version of Kelly Pavlik. He’s not nearly as polished as Pulev, but he’s 6’6", has good reach, has a good trainer and decent power. In his last two fights, he beat Gbenga Olukun (who beat Lamon Brewster), Lamon Brewster (who he knocked down and out) and Taras Bidenko (who lasted 6 rounds in his previous fight with Boytsov, also a big puncher) who Helenius blasted out in 6. He’s not super quick or anything, but he has a solid jab and a good straight right hand.
Pulev isn’t as much of a puncher, but he’s a lot more polished, and his upside is being a better version of Sultan Ibragimov. He’s not small himself (6’4 1/2"), but he’s not a murderous puncher like Helenius is. He’s also a lot less ponderous than Helenius. Good but not great power in both hands, can throw combinations, but stylistically a pretty standard European style heavyweight, just more talented. I’ve chatted a bit with Chauncey Welliver (who was one of his sparring partners) about him, and Welliver thinks he’ll be a titlist someday. He’s 7 fights into his career, but he’s already beaten Olukun, Danny Batchelder (who nearly beat James Toney a few years back), Zack Page (a journeyman who’s upset his fair share of prospects) and Matt Skelton.
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I'll do a prospect smackdown on these two this weekend
I haven’t done one of those in ages.
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Haye
Haye is a freak in the ring. John Ruiz looks like he belongs in the cast of The Soprano’s with that look. I have talked about this a lot too. The Klitchkos rule the division because of their size and ability. There are five smaller heavyweights who fight action fights. Haye, Adamek, Povetkin, Chambers and Arreola. All of those guys should all continue to fight one another and make the heavyweight division popular again. I can’t wait for Adamek-Arreola.
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 2, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Klitchkos rule the division because of their size and ability.
Or because they’re much better than everybody else…
It’s funny how the 3 titlists are the only heavyweights that turn up to every fight in condition…
It’s funny how the 3 titlists are the only heavyweights that turn up to every fight in condition
It makes sense.
I really want to see a Haye v Odlanier Solis rematch from their World Amateur Final at some point too.
In shape heavyweight vs. out of shape heavyweight.
Haye would turn the tables as a pro,imo.
I'm a fan of Solis
but he’s probably 60 pounds overweight…
It’s funny how the 3 titlists are the only heavyweights that turn up to every fight in condition…
Yeah I’ve said the same thing before. It’s no coincidence.
Bad Left Hook
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People may think i’m being biased because i’m from the UK but i really do think Haye wants to and will fight at least one of the Klits.I give him a better chance than any other heavy out there at beating them,though i’m not necessarily saying that he would.
I used to think he had a better chance against Wlad but with Vitali getting older,i think he may be the slightly easier option now.
I think Haye might go for the KO against Wlad but tries to outbox Vitali.
Hopefully he puts on a good performance tommorrow and they can make a fight with one of them (if the WBA doesn’t make him fight Valuev again).
Whether you believe Haye had a bad back or not when he pulled out of the original Wlad fight,and what he did against Vitali was a let down for the fans,Haye’s reasoning for not taking the fight (that the Klit’s wanted options on him and he would have had to fight the other one and then a rematch with the one he beat) was understandable,imo.
Him and Adam Booth made a smart business decision and gained more leverage for contract negotiations with Haye now holding the one belt the Klit’s don’t possess.
Hopefully he puts on a good performance tommorrow and they can make a fight with one of them (if the WBA doesn’t make him fight Valuev again).
I hope if the WBA wants him to fight Valuev he has the common sense to give them their belt back and go on with his life. He’s still the most attractive option for the Klitschkos in terms of making money, though a Klitschko-Adamek fight in Germany or Poland would also make a killing at the gate should Adamek beat Arreola. The belt is nice and all, but fighting Valuev again is risky, dumb and unwanted.
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Agreed
He’s a star in the UK now. Haye-Valuev reportedly did very well. In the Vitali-Haye talks that fell through, Haye was slated to get a few million dollars, but the Klitschkos would have had a dual rematch clause, where if he won, he would have needed to rematch AND fight the other brother, plus options if he lost. It was a pretty bad business deal from that perspective. Now, he probably has enough leverage to get a deal that’s less draconian. Heck, he could get the same deal he had with Valuev ($1 for the fight, and he keeps all UK revenue) and he’d STILL make more than he would have had the first Haye-Vitali fight gone through.
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I hope if the WBA wants him to fight Valuev he has the common sense to give them their belt back and go on with his life.
My only problem with this reasoning is that it destroys the entire reasoning behind skipping both brothers last year. If the entire point was to make pretty, pretty posters that said “unification” and “dueling champions” etc. People never gave a shit that the WBA belt was wrapped around Valuev’s waist (or at points Chageavs and Valuevs). It didn’t really mean anything. But unification is still used to sell fights.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I mean
personally I think it was a smart move on Haye’s part from a boxing standpoint, to get badly needed experience at heavyweight. But from a negotiating standpoint, dropping the belt rather than rematching a guy many people felt beat him the first time out doesn’t necessarily add a lot of rocket fule to his negotiating power.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
In addition to this
The fact that he is a “champion” is quite a large part of the hype surrounding him in Britain and definitely adds to his casual and mainstream popularity a great deal. He is also often referred to as the Heavyweight Champion of the world in mainstream sports reporting, some thing which annoys me a lot.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Apr 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he Heavyweight Champion of the world in mainstream sports reporting.
Well that has always been a problem no matter what. A hundred guys walking around calling themselves “The Champion.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Hell, James Toney calls himself the champion
Because he holds that worthless IBA belt
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
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That was part of the point
But Haye is already a MUCH bigger name and a more proven draw than he was when he was last negotiating with them.
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I hope if the WBA wants him to fight Valuev
Don’t you think that the WBA would rather take the sanction fees from Klitschko-Haye rather than Valuev-Haye II? It’s just a thought…
Who knows how their crazy minds work!?
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Apr 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The WBA doesn't care if he fights Valuev
Valuev has a contractual rematch clause. He has to make the rematch or he’s in deep legal doodoo. Or, more likely, he has to pay Valuev a handsome sum to make him step aside.
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How do i highlight someone else’s comment if i want to reply to it like you did with mine,SC-or Brickhaus?
Use the quotes button
Copy and paste what the other person said into the box, then highlight it and hit the quotes button in the reply box:
How do i highlight someone else’s comment if i want to reply to it like you did with mine,SC-or Brickhaus?
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Haye-Ruiz
David Haye is a big favorite and he should be. His power and speed are something to marvel and although Ruiz is tough, I think it will be a matter of time before Haye TKO’s him. I have a full preview and prediction on my Examiner page:
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 2, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
BTW
Thanks for laying off the links in every post. This I think is appropriate, but it’s good to just have conversations too.
Also, in the signature, you can make it hyperlink to your site by adding the link tags (the <a href=… stuff)
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I'd like to see
Haye fight Wlad too, Matt. He’s deffo the chinny brother. I think Vit looks unknockoutable, especially when you look at the size different. As good as Wlad is, I find him boring. Skilful, effective, but boring.
by Phill on Apr 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think if he fought Vitali he would use a similar method to what he used against Valuev,Phill.
I really want to see both those fights and with Haye’s solid amateur background and power,i give him a good chance against either.
Haye’s solid amateur background
Is this really something to use as criteria for picking fights this late into a boxer’s career? Surely they are now so experienced as a pro that their amateur careers are basically irrelevant.The Klitschkos both had superb amateur careers anyway.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Apr 2, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously it is.A top amateur is well schooled in technique and has experience in fighting the best international competition.
Fair point.
Haye would have to work using his speed though. Vit’s one big dude and would hurt Haye if he landed.
by Phill on Apr 2, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd take Wlad over Haye though
pretty quick and pretty simple
I could see Haye outboxing Vitali
But it’s harder for me to see after the Valuev fight. If that’s how low his workrate is against a not too dangerous puncher, I’d hate to see how low it is against a decent one, only Vitali throws twice as many punches as Valuev.
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It’s all part of a learning experience for Haye at HW. He’d not be as tentative against Vit-K, I think.
"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran
by FCF on Apr 2, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
He knows he needs to protect his beard. He might be a little less tentative, but not significantly enough to win I suspect. Either that, or he changes his style completely for that fight, knowing he needs to throw 50+ punches a round to stand a chance of winning.
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Bit of a rethink
Having seen Haye tonight, I think his stamina would let him down against the Ks. He was gassed pretty badly towards the end of the fight: a busy, big guy, like either K (and unlike Valuev), could beat him unless he got bold and lucky early on, which isn’t beyond the realms. However, I’m betting that Haye would be super-tentative against V or W, use up a load of nervous energy (as he did tonight), and succumb in the later rounds.
"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran
by FCF on Apr 3, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sold on Haye at HW just yet. Let’s see what he does with Ruiz. Let’s face it, unless you KTFO, like Tua did, it’s hard to look good against Huggy Bear. If Haye can get a spectacular KO, it would elevate his marketability. But if he loses……he’ll just be the new Audley Harrison.
He's already way above Audley
Audley’s accomplished nothing in his career. If he beats whatever Polish scrub is stepping in for Sprott (Mariusz Wach IIRC) for the Euro title, it will be the pinnacle of his career. Haye has already been THE MAN in one division and won a legitimate title in a second.
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haye
will beat the c+ and even a few b fighters but as soon as he steps up to a top guy he will go to sleep forget about him beating either one of the Klitschkos or even sam peters or how bout teddys new boy he’s gonna be pretty good that would be a ok fight
I have a funny feeling that the first time Haye gets Ruiz in any sort of trouble, the ref will TKO Ruiz. I’m not saying it will be total bull, but the money is at Haye’s back here and if I were John, I’d remember to keep throwing if he finds himself getting chopped at on the ropes.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
good god no. there must be no controversy at all. the world does not need more john ruiz press releases.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Apr 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
We
can’t PPV this here in the U.S. can we?
Not live stream or any computer shit but on the good old television.
Nope. And that strikes me as odd, given some of the fights Integrated has picked up before (Valuev-Haye, Khan-Barrera, that Mayol-Nino / Sonsona-Vazquez card recently).
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I have read reports saying that Haye would get crushed
against the Klit bros due to the leaky defence he showed against Ruiz but is it not possible this was a proportionate response for this opponent.
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