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Joe Calzaghe rumored to be considering a comeback

Joe Calzaghe left boxing on top. Now, he's rumored to be thinking about returning to the ring. (Photo by Al Bello / Getty Images)

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Rumored word from the UK is that former super middleweight and light heavyweight world champion Joe Calzaghe is having a comeback fight shopped to the major TV networks across the pond, according to BoxingScene.com's Rick Reeno. Calzaghe, 38, last fought in November 2008 when he beat Roy Jones Jr. at Madison Square Garden. He claimed then that he would never come back to the ring, but retirement looks like it's getting to the Welsh star.

Calzaghe appeared on "Strictly Come Dancing" in late 2009, and was to focus on getting his promotional firm running in retirement. The promotional company was a bomb, as Calzaghe appeared to not really care about it at all, leaving the company to essentially just float away into the wind. Most recently, he admitted to using cocaine, which was a big story in the UK.

Speculation has grown and grown in recent months that Calzaghe is bored in retirement and has the itch to fight again. Reeno reports that one name being floated as a comeback opponent is Robin Reid, who himself retired in 2007 after a bad loss to Carl Froch. Calzaghe and Reid (who turned 39 in February) met once in 1999, with Calzaghe winning a disputed split decision. Reid may be most famous for his stomach-turning "loss" to Sven Ottke in 2003, which was among the worst robberies of recent years.

Years ago, Calzaghe-Reid II would have made a lot of sense and made some good money. Now it seems something like white collar boxing, or some kind of professional exhibition fundraiser or the like.

And if Calzaghe is serious about a return, rather than just a one-off, what's he going to do after that? As a fan, I have sort of a love-hate relationship with Calzaghe's career. I liked watching him fight. He's very talented and a unique fighter. But his arrogance always seemed like it was there to hide something else, too. Do you think he'd do something like fight Chad Dawson? I frankly have a hard time believing that Calzaghe would do that as he closes in on 40, especially considering how much he adores his undefeated record. But otherwise, what's the point?

I guess Antonio Tarver needs an opponent...

Usually I'd say that chances are this turns into nothing, at least in the short-term, but Calzaghe, I think, clearly retired before he was genuinely ready to let it all go. Whether he thought it would be good to protect his legacy and retire undefeated, or just made a mistake in his own judgment, I don't know, but it seems obvious he hasn't really let boxing go, or that boxing isn't letting him go yet.

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did i guess you’d be first post Phill? :)

by Matt Mosley on Apr 20, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glen Johnson or Jean Pascal might be interesting opponents if he’s really serious about this.

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by FlyByKnight on Apr 20, 2010 6:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I just can't see Joe coming back and taking on the top guys at Light Heavyweight.

It took so long to get him in the ring with a faded, albeit still very good, B-Hop, and then a completely faded and finished RJJ. Taking on Chad Dawson, who’ll be faster with heavier hands – please, it’s just not gonna happen. Still, if Joe comes back and wants to fight Nathan Cleverly for the WBO title (which Clev will probably have by the end of the year) at the Milennium Stadium next year, I wouldn’t be arguing…

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by Oli Goldstein on Apr 20, 2010 6:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Good shout on Nathan Cleverly, I hadn’t thought of him. I think he’s a bit too early in his career for a fight with Calzaghe, but it would certainly be an interesting story (as he left the training of Enzo Calzaghe this year) and would sell well in Wales.

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by IainLiddle on Apr 20, 2010 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what i was thinking. It would undoubtedly sell very well, and would probably be televised across the pond.

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Apr 20, 2010 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see the point in him returning, unless he has a lot less money saved from his career than he should.

There’s no obvious match-up that people will pay to see. The only ones I could see doing good business here in the UK are with Froch, Dirrell, Ward or Abraham are all involved in the Super Six.

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by IainLiddle on Apr 20, 2010 6:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I can't see it tbh

but if this does turn out to be true….

Does Enzo follow him out of retirement and trains him? He only retired last month?

by Sweet science on Apr 20, 2010 7:01 AM EDT reply actions  

It was only a matter of time. I wouldn’t be surprised if it came out Joe is low on money. Looks like his connects are no longer fronting him.

If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.

by Violent Demise on Apr 20, 2010 7:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Cocaine Joe !

I hope Bute gets his chance to “smash” Cocaine Joe first !!!

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by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 20, 2010 7:38 AM EDT reply actions  

LMAO LongTime Ghosty

I was just having a quick sus before the missus gets home and I saw your post , you Canuck legend . Your Super Six picks have been kicking arse mate . Hope the big deepfreeze is treating you well Ghosty and your bloke Butes looking the goods . Great to have another one of my old esb mates in here .

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by JC40 on Apr 20, 2010 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

JC40 my old pal !!!

YES and I made them all before the Tournament too !!! What pisses me off the most right now is that Bute is getting discredited for the win vs Miranda.Doug Fisher at TheRing Boxing said in his Monday AM Mailbag that he can’t wait to see how Bute would figure out Sakia Bika ? WTF ? Bute already figured him out a couple of years ago ? AND at Maxboxing another writer says that Bute just stepped it up a notch by beating Miranda who Ward had beaten a year ago ? The truth is that fight was the Butes first step back fight.Bute fought and beat Karbary Salem in his 14th pro fight !!! Salem had just come off a 12 round UD loss to the Champion Joe Calzaghe for Pete’s sakes !!! Damn writers know nothing about a fighter and just jump on the bandwagon while pretending to be so called “experts” the whole time !!! Anyways JC I’ve been reading your posts on here for awhile but I just joined today.I’m trying to figure out how the hell one uploads an avatar picture and all ? I’m not to good on computers having spent my time in isolation or lockup or in the Northlands !!! Peace…!!!

It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.

by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 20, 2010 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Brother Wolf ! Those dogs take a wrong turn in the Northlands or what?

Glad to see you finally made it here mate, I was about to hook up a search team. When you upload that avatar maybe you can use that picture you reckon resembles yourself a bit. You know, the one that’s a cross between John L Sullivan and Lemmy from Motorhead. Good to see ya Bro.

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by Goatsnake on Apr 20, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i see a fate similar to dariusz michalczewski for joe in his comeback. if he decides to fight someone with a pulse

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by sonofapsycho on Apr 20, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Calzaghe’s one big advantage has always been his fast hands and legs. That advantage goes away with age. Now, he would be at a DISADVANTAGE against Bute, Ward or Dirrell at SMW, so he’d better stay away from them. He also has little power in his punches anymore due to bad hands….then he’d better stay away from heavy hitters like Glenn Johnson at LW. I suppose if he picks his opponents carefully he can come back and have a couple competitive bouts and make some dough, but seriously, he needs to find a financial advisor and something else to do. Otherwise his unblemished record will get blemished in a hurry.

by FrankinDallas on Apr 20, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

No chance he would fight at 168 again.

by strike4A on Apr 20, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Greet news

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---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 20, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I remember talking about this with you and some other guys after he retired, how long it would be before the siren’s call set in. Must be bored to tears over there, strokin’ it and and reading other guys news. “Should I work out today? What’s on TV?”

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by jrok on Apr 20, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is the best attitude

I’m pleased to see someone say the obvious—that boxing is better off with Joe than without him—for now.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Apr 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if he takes fights that matter. If he’s coming back to screw around with a well overdue Robin Reid rematch, I can live without him.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 20, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

great

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 20, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm happy to have him back

A return fight against a relatively soft option later in the year to set him up for a match with Froch. That would be great.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 20, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

This is going to be an ill-advised comeback. A 38 year old fighter who got by on his speed and reflexes? Sounds like Roy Jones when he fought Calzaghe, and at least Roy was active. Or Ali when he fought Holmes, who was also coming off a two year retirement.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 20, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

risk=reward????

selfishly I’d love to see Joe back against a number of opponents. But the problem would be finding an opponent where the money would match up to the risk from Joe’s perspective. As mentioned in the article, Chad Dawson? Huge risk but Chad doesn’t have a mainstream enough name to bring in the big bucks. (risk >reward)

Any ideas, not just who you would want to see joe against, but someone you would want to see and it would be closer to (risk=reward)

by John Genco on Apr 20, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Seems like an all round terrible idea. His attachment to the unbeaten record and what it means for his psyche is approaching Mayweather levels. Its a little frustrating to hear someone say it wouldn’t be worth throwing their ‘0’ away for just another payday (becuase they don’t have the desire) and then consider doing just that. He has spent the last 18 months making statement along these lines.

Also, if he is not willing to ‘risk’ his unbeaten record fighting top contenders then nobody should bother to watch the fights. I am having visions of a BHop rematch or Tarver as you suggested. Either of which is a pretty depressing prospect. To echo what jrok said, the natural edge he had previously will have dissipated to some extent if not completely so fighting a Dawson, Froch or even Cleverly seems very far fetched.

by Brett87 on Apr 20, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Calzaghe would annihilate Froch

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Apr 20, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt – I know you like Joe – but annihilate? translation – Joe would beat Froch by a wide UD. Annihilate implies that there would be like, damage or pain or something, instead of red cheeks from so many slaps. He’s like fighting a fast, athletic version of my mom.

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by lcollins1 on Apr 21, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your Mum sounds really scary now!

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh – ‘bout as scary as Cal’s open-hand slaps with oven mitts on.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 21, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright now

That’s about enough. The Italian Dragon is no Rocky Graziano, but he’s no Paulie Malignaggi either. He has fucked some guys up during the course of his career. Not slain them with one punch, but battered them.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 21, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calzaghe v Pavlik

Pavlik would most likely have won his last fight had the cut not happened. To me this is an exciting fight as Pavlik is naturally in Calzaghe’s weight class. Plus a good stepping stone for Joe to get back in the ring after his coke binges have most likely hurt his stamina, lol.

by surefirebets on Apr 20, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If Pavlik does move up

I think this would be a good fight for him, just because Calzaghe is not jacked up and powerful like a lot of the other 168/175 fighters. Pavlik could compete well, don’t know if he could win. Calzaghe is an amazing boxer.

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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 20, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

has potential

the money would be there, and Joe should be able to outbox Pavlik pretty easily.

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Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Apr 20, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Pavlik would get spanked, maybe drop Calzaghe because he always leaves his chin dangling in the wind, but I can’t see him getting better by gaining weight. He already lacks speed now. I don’t think it would be a great fight. I think Calzaghe would pepper him and then clinch until he frustrates Pavlik into giving up hope.

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by ShadowMask on Apr 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rematch Robin Reid

Reid’s been retired since 07 and he’s 39. Calzaghe can come back the same way he went out (against past it boxers) and give Reid the rematch he’s been after for donkey’s years.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 20, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

The prospect of fighting a comebacking Calzaghe should give Froch even more motivation to beat up Kessler and win the whole tournament.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 20, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

A good point

Sort of unrelated but would like to know why Froch’s promoter Hennessey hasn’t got any other fighters on the undercard this weekend (thats according to boxrec anyway). They lost their TV deal at the end of last year and he hasn’t been able to pick up another regular one (tho they did a sky sports one recently I think). Surely this is an opportunity to get some of his fighters on a biggish card. Not exactly doing much to stoke the interest of the public. When I mention this weekend’s fight to my friends with a casual interest in boxing they are completely unaware that its taking place.

by Brett87 on Apr 20, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hennessey didn't put any fighters on the undercard for the Froch-Taylor fight.

I remember hearing Lou DiBella go crazy on the Steve Bunce Boxing Hour the week after the fight about how little Hennessey contribued to the promotion of the card. Looking at the lack of action John Murray’s getting, as well as the amount of fights that Froch missed out on (particularly in his pursuit of the EBU title), I think it’s quite easy to summise that he can be a bit lazy at times..

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Apr 20, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be suprised

If Calzaghe knows ‘eff all about this rumour. OR it could just be his way of grabbing the attention before what should be "Frochy’s Big Night" LOL!

by Phill on Apr 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And why not?

Money is money, especially if its the easy kind. Boxing is the ultimate Hustlers sport. Those who can take the least amount of punishment and rake in the doe and are then smart enough to know when it’s time to leave will profit. The come back is easy.

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by Haans Bishop on Apr 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t laugh so quick, a Clazaghe-Pavlik match-up could work! Let Pavlik fight and whip a nobody at 168 real quick and I’m sure they’d be in line with the stupid belt dispensers as mandatories for each other.

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by BloodMeridian on Apr 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Just finished Blood Meridian...crazy

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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 20, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

A great great novel. Try Suttree and The Road for other McCarthy masterpieces

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Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Apr 20, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read Rilke on Black bt Ken Bruen

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 20, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the Pretty Horses

maybe my favorite book. Blevins – maybe the best character of that great book.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calzaghe Opponent

If Joe does comeback, it should be to fight Froch, however with the Super Six not ending anytime soon for Froch (in my opinion) that is not likely. I think Bute would be a good matchup. I would prefer Chad Dawson, but for whatever reason I don’t see that working out. Dawson does not have a good enough name across the world yet. Maybe a Hopkins rematch UGHHHHHHHHHHH!

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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 20, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Calzaghe vs Dawson

Now that would be sweet.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 20, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

DRMULLEN Says: are

Joe, stay retired. You Are Unbeating. No one can take that away from you.

by DRMULLEN2010 on Apr 20, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

DRMULLEN Says:

I don’t pick losing fights. Only one was Chris vs Klit. I never knew Chris was crossed eating tacos with sauce. Aka over eating during training. I even picked cintron over angulo.

by DRMULLEN2010 on Apr 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

sonofapsycho says:

do you really have to put the drmullen says in the subject of your comments? its very strange

anywho, i picked cintron over angulo as well. it wasn’t a big deal.

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-Sonny Liston

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by sonofapsycho on Apr 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Psycho, Dr. Mullen is a good guy. It's his style. HE IS WHAT HE IS,

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 20, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

just having some fun

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-Sonny Liston

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by sonofapsycho on Apr 20, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

DR. MULLEN is this generation’s greatest undiscovered poet.

"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Apr 20, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

theres plenty of fights out there for the arrogant snow blower. question is will he take or even consider them?

i think not.

"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston

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by sonofapsycho on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Calzaghe’s top “accomplishments” all seem a bit hollow to me in retrospect. Jeff Lacy, as it turns out, was a glorified club fighter. Mikkel Kessler is solid but painfully one-dimensional, and looked like a pushover against Andre Ward. Bernard Hopkins still had a little left in the tank, but was 43 years old and two divisions removed from his best weight class. And then of course you have Joe beating up on the mummified corpse of Roy Jones. Cal’s best win was his split decision over Hopkins, an achievement matched twice by a guy nobody is thinking of as a Hall of Famer – Jermain Taylor. The rest of his ledger is filled with Tocker Pudwills and Branko Sobots and Mario Veits and all sorts of other dross.

Calzaghe can fight, and even at 38 would be a handful for pretty much anybody at 168 or 175, but the guy is, and was, far from unbeatable. He’s hard to root for… His resume does not begin to justify his arrogance. I’ll be rooting for his “0” to go.

by SilverLaker on Apr 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

me too.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

 Frochy in his last 4 fights faces Pascal , Jermaine Taylor , Andre Dirrell and now Kessler while being bagged by half the pom online fight crowd . Calzaghe in his last 4 fights faced Peter Manfredo jr ( snicker) , Kessler , Hopkins ( 43 years old) and Jones jr who had been outpointed and knocked out by Tarver , knocked cold by Johnson and then defeated Prince Ajamu ( who?), Hamshaw ( who?) and Felix ( old and fat) Trinidad in his last 5 fights. Roy then did a Calzaghe and defeated club fighters Sheika and Lacey before Danny Green kayoed him in one round and 45 year old BHop beat him easily on points proving that what everyone thought is true and that Jones has been a has been since the Ruiz fight . Robin Reid or BHops sound like typical Calzaghe opponents. Perhaps Joe thought Hopkins looked bad enough against Jones that the Welshman is finally going to give him a rematch . If Calzaghe is fair dinkum it has to be Dawson .He’s the 175 pound champ and has twice beat Glenn Johnson and beat Adamek. If not Dawson the winner of the supersix . Anything else is a joke.

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by JC40 on Apr 20, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm just playing devil's advocate here

Pascal

Well that’s quite a good win, but nothing amazing.

Jermaine Taylor

Very faded, arguably shot. Froch only won because he gassed majorly.

Andre Dirrell

Dirrell got robbed.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 20, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Dirrell won by 3 or 4 rounds myself DC . My only point is that Froch has fought the best available opposition from the get go while Calzaghe cynically picked obviously weakened opponents like a hyena . Pascal now hold a 175 pound title . I wonder if anyone Calzaghe then went on to win a world title . Everyone gave Abraham credit for beating Taylor . The Taylor that Froch beat was better than the one the Armenian defeated for obvious reasons. Dirrell was an unknown but is a 6 ft 2 southpaw speedster with good power and fast feet . Calzaghe has never fought someone with that much size , youth and ability . Id back the current version of Pascal to easily beat the shell of Jones that Calzaghe fought . Shit Roy hasnt beaten a world class fighter since Ruiz . Cheers DC .

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by JC40 on Apr 20, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if anyone Calzaghe then went on to win a world title

Kessler won another one after, but he did so against … well, I wouldn’t go so far as to call it legitimate or particularly noteworthy.

Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Apr 20, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOOK, THE ONE EVERYONE WOULD PAY TO SEE IS FROCH-JC., BUT IF I WERE JC, I DO AN EASY ONE FIRST, MAYBE AGAINST PAVLIK OR GREEN, AND THEN TAKE ON FROCH. I SAY EASY BECUASE JC’S STY;E WOULD SLICE AND DICE PAVLIK LIKE A BUTCHER WORKS A SPRING LAMB.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 20, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Think Pavlik would be taking a hell of a risk taking a fight with Calzaghe considering his last performance.

by strike4A on Apr 21, 2010 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea Pavlik has very little chance against Cal.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 21, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cant argue with that Ted . After watching southpaw Martinez chop Pavlik up I cant imagine him doing very well against a bigger rougher southpaw cutie like the Welshman . Pavs toast in my opinion . He should have gone up in weight ages ago but his team shit themselves after the Hops blowout . He’s lost the edge he had before he won the title . Against Miranda and Taylor Pavlik gave the impression he was willing to die in the ring to win . Post then with the big money and then the soul destroying beating he was given by BHops he’s lost that extra edge of desire and ferocity that a face first stalker – bomber needs . Put a fork in him , he’s done .

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Apr 20, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

If Froch somehow won the Super 6 I'd imagine a fight with Joe would be gigantic in the UK .

The smack talk would be world class.

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Apr 20, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully Calzaghe's arrogance

targets whoever wins the super 6. Any of these guys would jump at a big money UK fight with Calzaghe even at 175, surely. Froch would jump out of his skin to war with Joe. Ward v Calzaghe would be a helluva fight. Plenty of legit options out there to fight the best at their best. If Calzaghe’s coming back then do it right. Take a tune-up then fight the best.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 20, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

G'DAY Goaty

I’ll bet you a carton of piss that if Joe comes back he fights someone that is either ancient like BHops or retired like Reid . . Nice pick in the Pav fight as well mate , well bluddy done .

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Apr 20, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

G'Day Champion

he’ll probably go the Lacy rematch or set up the Mario Veit trilogy. A victory over Jeff should establish some cred……..just like it did for Roy in setting up their fight..(?)

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 21, 2010 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and cheers for that mate – haven’t picked a winner for a bloody eternity.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 21, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Froch-Calzaghe sells big in the UK. And I think even a 50% reduced Joe C wins. But please no rematch with Reid or BHop. Those two bouts I would not respect or pay for. Joe loses to Dawson at this point, sorry to say. But he can take Pavlik; also sorry to say. But at what weight? Can JC get down to 168? Depends if his retirement has been like Hatton between bouts or if it’s been active.

by FrankinDallas on Apr 20, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh it’s been active…

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by Scott Christ on Apr 20, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How active?

Besides dancing, I mean? Has he been in the gym? Frankly I’m surprised at this comeback. I thought he had put away enough money, and accomplished all that he wanted to do. Just goes to show that it’s very hard for a 38-40 yr old man to “retire” from what he’s been doing for 20 yrs. He’s still in the prime of his life, he’s looking towards the future, and what does he see? That’s the point…what does he see of his future, WITHOUT boxing.

by FrankinDallas on Apr 20, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's been staying fairly fit...

And also taking cocaine, not renowned for its stamina giving properties.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please, say it aint so.....

I don’t want to see Joe looking like RJJ.

by SmittytheCutman on Apr 20, 2010 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

He just wants $$$… spent it all on blow…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah… he should fight Okkte… they ducked each other for years…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Rematch Tocker Pudwill Joe fer fook sake!

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 21, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Wolf Brother Goatsnake !!!

How ya been ? Great posts by JC40 above huh Goaty ? That said now Joe C (or Cocaine Joe as I’m now gonna refer to him as) will be under the same scrutiny that Hopkins was when they met.Hopkins lost by a whisker yet the fickle fans claim that Joe could have beaten Hopkins at any stage of his career.Pure nonsense IMO as Hopkins was a shell of his former self and has faded even more since then.So that makes JC40’s posts all the more truer as I’m sure that Calzaghe will pick his spots in any comeback.Going even further back to my posts of more than 2 years ago I claimed that IMO Bute was the one fighter who would eventually hand Joe his first defeat.I’m sticking to that and hoping that it can be put to the test !!! That’s what and why I was critical of the SuperSix Tournament in the first place. Yeah Goatsnake I’d love to have that picture of my twin as my avatar but i don’t know how the hell to download it and put it on my profile !!! I’m not very proficient on computers and am self taught.

It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.

by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 21, 2010 6:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I can give you a blindman's lead on your avatar.

Click on edit profile then click on browse – this will access image options already saved to your computer. Go loco hermano. Fcukin A , JC’s a pugilistic freak of nature and being the fair dinkum champion bloke that he is, occasionally lets me carry his spit bucket – snot, broken teeth and all – bloody legend ! If Calzaghe comes back he’ll sit at LHW for sure and Bute (nice uppercut) looks big enough to carry 175 no probs. Should be an easy fight to make plus who’s Bute got out there right now apart from a Bika rematch or Pavlik maybe?

It’s all good mate. Spontaneous combustable drummers unite! Peace to the Ghostman.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Amp Goes Up To Eleven

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by JC40 on Apr 21, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha !!

Lennon/McCartney has nothing on Tufnell/Smalls/St Hubbins.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 21, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furthermore...

Commenting further on my theory say Froch and Joe C did meet and Froch won.Froch fans would claim that Froch is and always would be the better Boxer of the two whereas if Joe lost by a close fight one could and really should draw the conclusion that had they both met in their primes Calzaghe would school Froch (which i actually do believe although I’d give Carl a punchers chance).Anyone want to try and debunk this theory ?

It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.

by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 21, 2010 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Not me

Calzaghe is a far better than boxer than Froch, recently though Froch’s resume has looked as if it’s going to become the superior one.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nor I

It’s hard for me to fully appreciate Froch’s style but what I do buy into is his fighter’s heart. Regardless of scientific superiority Calzaghe would have his hands full based purely on Frochy’s pig-headed willpower and ability to wear you down. Still reckon Dirrell beat him though.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 21, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I said that Calzaghe would school Froch !!!

BUT that said said.Joe wouldn’t STOP Froch.AND that is why I would give Froch a punchers chance !!! Calzaghe has been hurt by lesser fighters than Froch (who has a raging hard on for Joe) !!!

It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.

by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Apr 23, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. If, prime-versus-prime, Calzaghe fought Froch 100 times, I think Calzaghe probably wins 95 of them. Just too fast, too clever, too good. And I like Froch.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now Kostya Tszyu might come back

Will it never end? Aren’t there enough TV jobs for these guys?

by FrankinDallas on Apr 21, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Tszyu makes more sense than some

Although he’s pretty far removed from his career at this point. He’s stayed in shape though.

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by Brickhaus on Apr 21, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all that bloody dancing with the stars

Brings out the mongrel in em.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Apr 21, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I always thought this Calzaghe quote about Froch was amusing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/apr/28/joe-calzaghe-carl-froch

For the first eight rounds against Taylor he was like a goalkeeper with no defence, he was being outclassed and outfought by a middleweight who has seen better days. To be honest, it would be frightening what I could do to him if we fought. He doesn’t seem to realise that holding your hands up and defending yourself is a pretty vital part of boxing.

I have seen absolutely nothing whatsoever from him that makes me think I should fight him. I couldn’t motivate myself knowing how easily I could beat him and possibly hurt him badly. I wouldn’t fight him even if I did come back. What would be the point?

On the other hand, Calzaghe didn’t always keep his hands up either.

by taco pal on Apr 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

True

But it’s still cracks me up.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, Calzaghe didn’t always keep his hands up either.

Yeah, but he had the ability to get the fuck out of the way of punches. Froch is a big time leather-inspector…. “Lemme get a closer look at that, mate.”

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by jrok on Apr 21, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd suggest enjoying

the Welsh countryside and his beautiful wife.

by Don From Prov on Apr 21, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

*Girlfriend.. and they split up.

I think Joe would be probably be quite the pain in the arse to be around 24/7.

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by Oli Goldstein on Apr 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

bq, I think Joe would be probably be quite the pain in the arse to be around 24/7.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you get the idea

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Apr 22, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Calzaghe

will never be more highly regarded than he is right now…in retirement. If he comes back, he will shit the bed and lose the overblown image he has made for himself by beating old men and pure Euros.

Also, I’ve seen words on this thread like “annihilate” and “hurt him badly” in reference to what Joe Cal could potentially do to another man, inside the ring, without a gun, knife or other weapon. Let’s remember that this is Joe Calzaghe – a man who punches without power nor intent to be powerful. He is the Al Newman of boxing. Maybe he could punch once upon a time, maybe he got some KOs because of the cans he was fighting, but by the end of his career, he could not punch, and he did not try to punch.

Please come back Joe. I hope you lead a happy life outside the ring, but I would like to see you get absolutely demolished in the ring because I hate the way you fight. And I’m tired of hearing MMA folk say that we cannot call what you do “fighting” – and I agree with them.

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by lcollins1 on Apr 21, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

pretty much.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to watch MMA, and don’t anymore because it’s in exact contrast to why I like boxing. Obvious skill that is apparent for more than a few seconds. I’m not saying there aren’t skilled fighters in MMA, there definitely are, but boxing looks more like art. MMA looks generally sloppy. The thing I liked best about it were knockouts and that guys could get really hurt, but that lost it’s luster quickly as the most tactical aspect seemed to be: wrestle the guy to the ground and make him submit. I’d still be a Catholic if that turned me on.

In truth I only saw one exceptional MMA fighter who was from Japan, moved like liquid, almost like a snake when on the floor, and showed another level of skill I had never seen before. The action in big fights like Shamrock vs Le was good but it’s still far less tactical to me than boxing. It’s like checkers and chess. I just lean toward chess.

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by ShadowMask on Apr 30, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehh – only temporarily. I’ve had time to reflect and have confirmed the fundamental mediocrity of Joe Cal.

Al Newman Euros – the guy is Al Newman

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 23, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know who TF Al Newman is but .....

in all the Calzaghe fights I’ve seen (which is I don’t know 30 odd) I’ve never seen an opponent able to walk him down – last fighter who tried it was Jeff Lacy and he looked hurt to me. Those who stood their ground came off worse and many spent a lot of time defensively voiding engaging with him. Was he heavy handed – no, in particular after his injuries – could he hurt you – yes and all 45 of his opponents seemed to think so. The more you think about it the less mediocre it seems – you have damaged hands, but stil nobody is able to back you up for any sustained period of time. If Al Newman could pull that off I’m a fan ! Love the ‘Euro’ line – looks like the ‘Hate’ is easily enough explained.

by BristolOne on Apr 23, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Al Newman was a good major league baseball player, but not great. And he hit one career home run, which means he has no power.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Apr 24, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good for Al Newman

notice you didn’t mention any of the other topics raised ! Then again looking past a guy’s ability and skills is as Nazim says foolish. There are plenty who like to bitch and whine about Joe’s achievements – now I’m not one to judge but brother Nazim (who I have plenty of respect for) rightly points out this is arrogant and foolish.

by BristolOne on Apr 24, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nazim Richardson ...

‘I’m not arrogant and I don’t look past a guy’s ability and a guy’s skills. I refuse to do that because I think it’s foolish. Even if I don’t like it—I may not like the way you box—but I can’t ignore that it’s been successful for you. I can’t ignore that it gets judges to vote your way, so I’ve never been like that. I knew a guy, (Joe) Calzaghe—I’ve never cared for the way Calzaghe fights but I have great respect for his achievements’.

by BristolOne on Apr 24, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Ditto on Naazim

I think Calzaghe should stay out of the ring and be happy with it. I liked him as a fighter for his unorthodox style and intelligence, and even went to see him fight, but I don’t think it’s safe for his health or his record to face any serious opponent. Risk outweighing benefit at this point. Someone like Chad Dawson, who I don’t find exceptional, could still hurt the guy if he connected cleanly.

As for his arrogance, I think it goes with being undefeated. Look what that’s done for Floyd. It might also be a tactic to make guys want to come at you and hit you hard which he plays well against.

He also doesn’t get much credit as BristolOne pointed out with that great quote from Naazim’s recent interview because we don’t see fighters like that here. He might not have devastating, one-punch knockout power because of his injuries, and slap with his punches, but that didn’t stop him from turning Jeff Lacy into burger or beating Kessler. He’s quick for an older guy, throws combos constantly, clinches to stop momentum, is good at slipping punches, frustrates opponents, and is very intelligent; adapting to opponents styles and exploiting their flaws as he sees them. Mediocre fighters can’t do that. It would be like calling Hopkins a mediocre fighter because he doesn’t knock people out anymore.

The only flaw in his credentials might be that he never fought the tough fights over here and stayed in his comfort zone and his two fight in the USA were with the old versions of the fighters. But that doesn’t mean the guys he fought over there were all pushovers. Maybe people just don’t like him over here because we tend to like knockouts more than skill that leas to a victory.

One thing I can say from experience is that it looks more skillful when seeing the guy fight in person, which is probably true of any fighter. Somehow TV seems to diminish some of what’s actually happening. I personally think that Roy Jones would have destroyed him when back in his prime, but watching Calzaghe dismantle what was left of him was still something to behold. Power or no power, odd style or not, Roy looked like he got shot in his eye socket.

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by ShadowMask on Apr 30, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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