Who Knows What with Pavlik and When did They Know?

Not sure what you are trying to get at here. Are you asking why Sergio didn’t get robbed this time out?

There may some shady dealings with judges, but not THAT much. Top Rank doesn’t pay off the judges to give a certain fighter the benefit of the doubt. There may be some bias there just because of how judges are hired for major title bouts, which often does happen through the promoter (including in New Jersey). But if Bob Arum wanted to cut ties with Pavlik, this wasn’t the fight to do that. Arum has no interest in Martinez, and he doesn’t have any other fighters who have an interest in Martinez. Arum just signed Stinky Wright or at least was rumored to be doing so. If the fix would be ‘off’ he’d do it for Wright, who he also promotes.

 “Don’t say that! I don’t want to hear that.” could have been siad so that the ringside doctor did not hear it, for if he had, he might have stopped the fight.

Yes, Martinez won that fight. After the well-worn bad decision with Citron and the close one against Williams. It was good to see the mover and shaker get a fair shake. This is not a call for more corrupt judging. This is not a call for more robberies, but where were the hometown cards? Everyone expected to see some. Especially at a place were Pavlik was fast becoming their next Gatti-draw. Also, where were the rounds given to the guy with the strap because he has the strap and the round was close enough?

The judges had it 115/111, 116/111 and 115/112. Yes, this has to be the first time a fight is being questioned because the judges got it right. But why? And how. These scores mean the judges most likely gave Martinez round 5. A round that could have gone to the champion for possession of the belt. Possession may not be 9 tenths of the law in boxing, but it means something(even though DC disagrees). Round 5 could have also gone to the champ due to home cooking. It was close enough to go to the champ without a call out to CSI Jersey.

At least one of the judges also gave round 6 to Martinez. There would be few that would have made too large of a stink if it was given to Pavlik. He’s the champ. He landed the power shots. An easy round to give to the homeboy with the belt.

But the scoring was right on. Right down the middle. Not even the slightest benefit to Pavlik. Why? Again, Martinez won the fight. Giving the new champ 5 or 6 was fair, but unexpected. He gets cooked by a much smaller name in Citron in Florida, but dealt a straight deal in Jersey with a giant name in Pavlik? Forgive a cynical viewpoint, but come on…somethings got to be behind that. But what?

So yeah… you are crying about Pavlik not getting rounds he didn’t earn….

Job well done…

I’ve had mixed feelings from Pavlik since I first watched him fight Taylor. He’s a likable bloody knuckles, blue-collar guy so it’s not like you want to see the guy lose. But he lacks the thing that most guys who fit that profile have: heart.

He always looked very slow to me for a tall lanky guy. I think he has skill because he does hit opponents that you think would evade him more, but he never really impressed me where I was like, “Yes, this is the champ.” He seems to have brief runs in fights that I’ve watched, but no consistency, sloppiness, and no unique thing that makes him Kelly Pavlik. Most fighters you can find something: Mayweather’s Defense and accuracy, Shane’s Power, Pacquiao’s heart and crazy angle punches, Hopkin’s wily defense and slickness, wtf is there about Kelly that’s positive and unique?

I was not surprised when Hopkins spanked him at all. It was the completely wrong fighter and the completely wrong approach. He didn’t even look like he trained to fight Hopkins, no game plan, just the same old shit with the same shit coming from his trainer. Same old Pavlik with Martinez too. I don’t pay much attention to what punches are thrown after a round and advice is given, so I can’t say his trainer is telling him the right thing and he’s not doing it, or if Kelly is doing it and it’s not working and that’s the problem. If someone here analyzes that stuff feel free to chime in because it would be a good gauge here.

I thought martinez would be able to avoid him more because he is so agile and Kelly looks slow, but I guess it was similar to the Williams fight where the first few rounds Martinez looked better and then slowed. Call me crazy but he may have purposely held back more for those 3 rounds after he was so spent in the Williams fight where they both were completely drained and barely could stand at the end of 12. I’m not saying he did, he did seem hurt a bit, and I’m not trying to take away from Pavlik if it was skill alone, but Martinez might have wanted some extra time to be able to come on in those later rounds where Pavlik doesn’t give it his all. I actually want to watch it again to really pay close attention to his body language because I was paying more attention to Pavlik’s punches hitting him. :)

also, I never thought Kelly’s trainer was good for him from the first moment that I saw a round where Kelly had problems in any fight. They don’t seem to connect when it’s important, and his trainer seems to have terrible game plans if any at all, yell at him, almost bully him at times, which for Kelly obviously isn’t motivating and isn’t working. It’s like the personality of the fighter is in the trainer instead of him. You can tell because he has no heart, no extra 5% that a great fighter does. I was watching the last round and oddly speaking at the TV which I don’t do, like “why won’t you throw punches? Why aren’t you fighting to keep your title? Are you serious?” Not how champions usually go out. At least Taylor gets knocked out when he loses because he’s trying to win. Still lacking stamina or something though.

I think that trainers don’t get much respect anymore for the good and bad things they do. If they weren’t important at all in the ring, the fighter would leave them back in the gym scrubbing the sweat out of their draws. But with Kelly it’s not inconceivable that motivation is his problem, and we’ve never seen him with any other trainer. This bristley prick doesn’t seem to be doing anything to improve him. The only new thig he’s found for Kelly is how to lose like a weak challenger. It’s been a downward slope since Taylor which just seems like a style thing, and Taylor was always sloppy to me.

Just my thoughts, some of which I believe :) Sorry for using up al the pixels. I wasn’t planning on saying all this.