Showtime and FSN Open Thread
While we provided live round by round coverage of the bout between Mikkel Kessler and Carl Froch, Showtime will be airing its tape delay replay at 9:00 p.m. Eastern. If you didn't catch the fight live, be sure to watch the replay. If you don't mind spoilers, our wrap up of the fight is available here.
DO NOT post anything about the Froch-Kessler results in this thread before the Froch-Kessler fight has concluded airing on Showtime. This is a thread for people who waited until the Showtime broadcast in the U.S. If you would like to discuss the results before the Showtime broadcast has ended, go here.
Also, starting at 10:00 p.m. Eastern on Fox Sports Net and Fox Sports Espanol, there will be a card featuring Miguel Beltran Jr. vs. Joksan Hernandez, as well as Jorge Arce vs. Cecilio Santos. Beltran vs. Hernandez will lead off, and looks like a banger on paper, so that should help tide people over until our live round by round coverage of Tomasz Adamek vs. Cris Arreola and Alfredo Angulo vs. Joel Julio, airing on HBO, starting at 11:15 Eastern time.
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I really can't stand Gus Johnson
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I wonder if Caroline Wozniacki is at the fight? She and Kessler are friends — he got her into boxing as a training tool.
No idea
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I wonder if the commentators watch the fight before when it's on tape delay
On one hand, it’s prep and you can sound smarter when things happen, I guess. On the other hand, not as much natural excitement, and you might slip up…
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Over/under on number of rounds before Tarver calls him "crotch"?
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6.5 would've been my guess
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by Scott Christ on Apr 24, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not
I may keep score, just to see if I score it differently on a big screen than I did on a 3×5 box on my computer.
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I was going to suggest that if you wanted to. You’ll be in the moment of things, we can’t be.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 24, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
R1
Kessler looks nervous, Froch looks confident. Not good, given the questions over Kessler’s mental state. First thirty seconds are just spent trading jabs at the middle of the ring. Nobody feels like pressing the action. Froch lunges with a 1-2 that misses. Jab by Kessler lands. Froch is looking to keep distance. Nice 1-2-3 by Froch.Kessler with a right to the body.Froch lands a combination and their heads nearly collide. Both guys look a little tentative, but I think Froch was boxing better.
10-9 Froch
10-9 Froch also
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R2
Froch comes out pumping the jab and moving to his left. Kessler with a lead left hook, and then aright to the body.Left hook to the head by Kessler as Froch tries to weave. KEssler has Froch in the corner, but doesn’t press the advantage. Lunging uppercut by Froch lands., but he should be careful launching that from so far outside. Kessler is having some trouble pulling the trigger on his 1-2. Kessler jab is much better this round. Froch tries a 1-2 that’s picked off by Kessler’s gloves. Left to the body by Kessler. Good little combo with 10 seconds left by Kessler, though Froch snuck in a counterpunch. Improved round for Kessler, but still a bit slow.
10-9 Kessler, 19-19
20-18 Froch
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29-28 Froch
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R3
Froch again begins the round controlling with his jab. Kessler lands a few body shots in the midst of a combo against the ropes. Straight right to the body by Kessler, Froch retaliates with a hook of his own. 1-2 by Froch. Froch misses a combo and does a 360 to face forward again. Another hard body shot by Kessler. First clinch of the fight in round 3, which gives a hint of what dimensions both guys want the fight in. Kessler catches Froch coming in. Tarver notices what I’ve noticed, that Kessler’s 1-2 doesn’t seem to have the snap thatit used to. Uppercut by Froch off the ropes. Jab lands by Kessler at the bell. Close round, I lean towards Kessler for pressing the action.
Kessler 10-9, 29-28 same.
R4
Kessler tries to start a little more active, but Froch counterpunches him nicely for his trouble. Kessler now working the jab. This round really is a jab fest, and Froch’s jab is better. BIG right by Froch, best punch of the fight. They trade in the center, Froch gets the better of it. Froch is doing a great job this round maintaining distance with his jab. As I say it he jumps in and gets cuaght. Kessler closing the round well and lands to the body, but this was a Froch round.
10-9 Froch, 38-38
39-37 Froch
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R5
Kessler opens with the jab. Froch continues to jab and move to his left. Kessler misses with a hook. Froch lands with a nice hook as they both open up. Kessler lands with a jab. Kessler’s best punches have all been 1-2’s to the body; Tarver says it needs to come up top and I agree. Kessler with another right to the body. Ref rules that slip and I don’t know….
Froch thinks he’s hurt, and is opening up, landing a few punches in the immediate aftermath of the “slip”. Big right hand by Froch. Another combo by Froch. Keslser lands a nice punch of his own, but Froch is barely fazed by it. Excellent round by Froch.
10-9, 48-47 Froch
49-46 Froch
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R6
Announcers say the feet got tangled. The camera shot doesn’t show the feet, so I have to take their word for it. Kessler lands a nice right to star the round, Froch shakes his head. The pace has picked up. Second clinch of the fight — one every three rounds I guess.
Kessler starts banging to the body. Kessler doesn’t like to fight inside but he is a good body puncher. Overhand left lands by Kessler. Kessler tries a combo as Froch is against the ropes. Froch throwsr one of those awkward combos that glance off Kessler’s head. Solid combo by Kessler.
Kessler 10-9, 57-57. But I’d be a happier camper if I were Froch than Kessler.
58-56 Froch
I feel like the Showtime guys are riding Froch a bit hard here. He’s doing well, but he’s not blowing Kessler out or anything.
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67-66 Froch
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God, Gus Johnson is horrendous. “Ooh, big right hand by Kessler! Froch says it hit him on the back of the head!” It very clearly without any question neither landed hard nor landed clean. It was obviously to the back of the head.
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R7
Kessler to the body, Froch back to the head. Another right hand lands for Froch. Kessler to the body and lands up top as Froch is against the ropes. Froch goes back to the jab. Kessler misses with a 1-2 and Froch pushes him off. Kessler to the body, Froch counters to the head again. Kessler with two jabs and a hook. This fight doesn’t seem like it’s too taxing, which might take the steam off of Froch’s vaunted late fight charges. Left hand gets in by Froch and another. Froch complains about a shot behind the head. Kessler picks it up at the end of the round — I think something might have just clicked there.
10-9 Kessler, 67-66 same
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NICE….STAGGER. ING. RIGHT HAND.
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76-76
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R8
More jabs start the round. They trade straights about 45 seconds in. Kessler loops a hook, then goes back to the jab. Froch is boxing well, but he just isn’t doing that much. Kessler with another looping shot and Froch counters with a jab.Froch tries a hook but Kessler catches it.Nice counter by Kessler and Froch is hurt. Does Kessler notice it? Kessler isn’t pressingHe’s got him in the corner and starts working the body. He’s still hurt. Kessler with a straight to the body. Froch is holding on as the round ends. Man, I don’t know why Kessler didn’t press more.
10-9 Kessler, 77-75 same
86-85 Froch
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R9
Kessler lands a jab to Froch’s chest. Froch has his legs back by the looks of it. Kessler lands to the body as Froch comes in; Froch with a nice upper cut to Kessler’s body. Kessler goes back to the body. Tarver thinks Froch’s nose is broken. Combo by Froch lands. Kessler lands a hook as Froch tries to turn away, then goes upstairs/downstairs. Kessler lands behind the head.
One minute left, and Kessler still isn’t pressing like I’d want him to. Froch complains about a head butt. Froch comes in and lands, forcing Kessler back. An uppercut by Kessler. A sweeping hook by Froch. This is one of those rounds where the one guy won, but you feel like it’s slipping away from him at the same time. Froch is getting sloppy.
10-9 Froch, 86-85 Kessler.
That cut is pretty nasty
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yeah
Getting a good look at it in HD, that is wicked.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 24, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
96-94 Froch
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R10
Uppercut by Kessler lands to open the round. Kessler misses with a leaping hook. Froch lands with one of those weird combinations that seem to come from nowhere. Double jab lands by Kessler, and Froch tries another lunging uppercut. Body shot by Kessler, Froch lands back to the head.Kessler with a combo to the body. Nice left by Froch that catches Kessler. Overhand by Kessler lands. Froch misses most of his combination to the body as Froch got a little too close. Kessler with some more body work. Froch caught against the ropes as the round comes to the close and Kessler gets some good shots in.
10-9 Kessler, 96-94 same
106-105 Froch
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I mean 105-104
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R11
Kessler opens up with two puunches to Froch’s head. Kessler stalking Froch towards the ropes and lands another combo. He tries it again, but most of it was blocked by Froch. Froch misses with a sweeping hook. Froch tries to come forward, but Kessler tries to catch him coming in. Kessler with an overhand right, and then a big straight right that seems to stun Kessler. They trade hooks in the center, and Kessler presses forward. Keslser is really prssing. HUGE right by Kessler. Kessler works on the inside, Froch with combination that splits Kessler’s guard. Kessler works wel on the isnide. And catcheS Froch again coming in. Both are letting all hang out this round. Another big hook to Froch’s body, and that’s really been effective throuhgout the fight.
10-9 Kessler, 106-103 same
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
goddamn
That 12th round didn’t lose anything on replay.
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I got it a draw this time
Had it 115-113 Kessler last time.
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R12
They open up trading, both know they need the round. I have Kessler up, but there are a ton of close rounds. Kessler tries an overhand, and then lands with two jabs and a right. Counter right hook by Kessler lands, Froch tries a 1-2 that misses . Froch lands to the body, but gets warned for straying low. Kessler tries a 1-2 again, and they trade inside. Froch gets hit with a hook — they are trading something wild on the inside, and they are totally gased. Froch with a great combo, Kessler tries to answer.BIG left Kessler.He’s’s got Froch on the ropes, buty Froch works his way off. They both land with big shots.. Big shots by Froch with 20 seconds. Kessler with another 1-2, and Kesselr closes big! God, how do you score that round.
By throwing up my hands, that’s how.
10-10, 116-113 Kessler
Snap
Just switched over to the Top Rank card, and Beltran rang Hernandez’s bell in the first round. He got up, but Beltran is pretty good looking.
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beltran is well on his way to a 2nd round KO. hernandez was KD twice, and even though he looked alright if he goes down a few more times it’ll be over quick
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
Hernandez is usually fairly sturdy
Beltran looks like he could probably drop a weight class, bit he’s someone to watch out for. Won Campeon Azteca, IIRC.
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i think i’ve seen hernandez fight before, but i was just going on how he looked. clearly outclassed, and got dropped twice fairly easily. i was completely wrong though as the 2nd round coulda gone either way
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That gash over Kessler's eye is just horrible.
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I think you can see his skull under there
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so i was wrong, i gave hernandez the 2nd round
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Good to hear Froch isn't making excuses post fight
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Froch was a ton more humble than expected on both the UK and US broadcasts. Even more humble here since he got more time to talk.
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This studio setup that Showtime has is swank. MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE A SHOW ABOUT BOXING WITH THESE GUYS WITH A SET LIKE THIS.
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We should start a petition
Something like ‘inside the NFL’ for boxing. It’s just tough because there aren’t rights to show a lot of clips.
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Agreed. Moreover,
I am often amazed at how influenced the commentators are by the crowd and the angles afforded them live. In a media saturated world, announcing from a ‘distance’ in the studio has it’s merits. Better and clearer vision, multiple angles and instant replay seem to have given Tarver and Bernstein just as much credibility in the studio and they may have ringside.
another round i gave to hernandez
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
So I’m running through my cable guide, and I see Classic Boxing on ESPN Classic.
It’s Chad Dawson-Jesus Ruiz.
GTFO.
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Sometimes they have "classic" boxing
and it’s two fighters I barely remember existed of from a WNF three or four years ago.
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dawson is a modern classic fighter yo
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
oh sweet
I finally live close enough to a real city that I get Azteca. no FSN Espanol on my package however, and since there’s no FSN here, I’m screwed on the Top Rank Live shows.
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Gus Johnson
was unforgivably bad. His garbled syntax reminds me of Mike Goldberg’s UFC stuff, which is insufferable. And he can’t understand what’s going on in the ring.
Bernstein and Tarver would be great on their own. Why is Gus even there?
BECAUSE HE YELLS.
AND PEOPLE KNOW WHO HE IS.
IN THEORY, GUS JOHNSON LENDS CREDIBILITY.
IN PRACTICE, IMO, HE HURTS THEIR CREDIBILITY.
THE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCH
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by Scott Christ on Apr 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s objectively just bad commentary. Ken Hershman et al must be able to see that.
Tarver, on the other hand, had a great night, I thought.
He’s getting better and better. I really like Tarver.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought gus wasn’t doing boxing anymore?
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
where'd you hear that?
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by Scott Christ on Apr 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
didn’t you do an article about gus sucking, and how he was replaced by the guy who gus replaced who’s name i can’t remember
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He definitely did an article about Gus sucking
But if there was anything about someone replacing him, it was probably just an impassioned plea
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On the bright side
It’s not Robert Flores
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I did an article about him sucking and how I’d LIKE him to be replaced by Steve Albert.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 24, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhh i thought steve albert was making a comeback, my bad
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Santos sucking on a lollipop?
Interesting.
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so did y’all just stop watching FSN or what? i know i did. only 25 min till “You don’t know jack” is over anyway
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
holy fuck hernandez just KO’d beltran in the last round. not sure if he was behind or not, but that coudla been one hell of an ending if he was
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
He looked almost like he fell over from exhaustion
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Man, Arce looks old
It’s got to be near the end of the line for him. He’s only about 32, but he’s an OLD 32.
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it saddens me. arce rules and stuff, but the guy’s been done for like 3 years now
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 24, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He can't pull the trigger anymore
He was okay against Angkota where Angky wasn’t moving at all, but he had trouble throwing in his major fights, and he’s arguably just lost the first round to Cecilio freaking Santos.
Anyway, I’m off to HBO.
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