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Drama and Momentum Fueling the Super Six World Boxing Classic

Saturday's intense battle between Carl Froch and Mikkel Kessler was yet another pivotal point in the Super Six World Boxing Classic. (Photo by John Gichigi / Getty Images)

When Showtime announced the Super Six World Boxing Classic last year for real after some speculation, and I was done picking my jaw up off the floor, a few things ran through my mind.

First off, I thought, "Holy s**t. This is going to be awesome."

But after letting it sink in, a less enthusiastic thought came to mind: "Something's going to go wrong."

Now, we're two-thirds of the way through the second part of the three-part round robin section of the tournament. Things, no doubt, have gone wrong. Among them, almost every fight until yesterday was, in some way, marred, or had gathered some negative press.

And then there's Jermain Taylor, the former middleweight champ who risked his career to keep fighting the best guys in the sport. He was matched in Stage One with Arthur Abraham in Germany. Taylor was losing, but had made a go of it. With just moments remaining in the fight, an Abraham right hand down the pipe turned Taylor's lights out, concussing the admirable Arkansas native and, shortly thereafter, resulting in his withdrawal from the tournament. He is replaced by Allan Green, a talented but frustrating fighter more famous for what he hasn't done than what he has.

The Carl Froch-Andre Dirrell bout that same October evening was a disaster. A brutally ugly fight to watch, Froch got what many felt was some home cooking in Nottingham. Andre Ward's dominant upset of Mikkel Kessler in November righted the ship some, but then fights were delayed in every Stage Two bout, and the first of them between Abraham and Dirrell finished not with Dirrell's hand jubilantly raised after putting on a clinic, or Abraham's raised after scoring a dramatic knockout, but with the disqualification when the Armenian wickedly fouled Dirrell in the 11th round.

But through it all, the first four fights of the Super Six just kept turning up surprises. Ward, a highly regarded prospect, came into his own against Kessler. Dirrell, whose guts had been seriously questioned, had many feeling he'd beaten Froch (ugly as it was), and then silenced continuing skeptics by routing Abraham. Froch, whether anyone liked it or not, was still unbeaten.

And then yesterday, the tournament had something it was missing: a great fight. Froch and Kessler both showed a ton of heart on Saturday in Herning, with Kessler coming back from the brink of career catastrophe with one of the best performances of his career, taking Froch's "0" and his WBC title belt with a unanimous decision win. This time, no real controversy. Froch, who has a reputation as a talker and a bit of an egomaniac, said after the fight only that if it had been in England, he probably would have won. He's probably right. The fight was close, the fight was action-packed and largely devoid of any tediousness, and if this were the "regular" boxing world, everyone would be talking rematch right now.

While it kind of stinks that we won't get an immediate rematch, that's also part of the reason the Super Six is so great. If in the NFL, the Packers squeak one out over the Bears, they don't get to immediately play again. They have to let it simmer, they have to both continue to play, they have to move on even if getting revenge is heavily on their minds.

It's not exactly the same situation or anything, but the Super Six setup makes boxing, frankly, feel more like a sport and less like a business. I know exactly who Kessler's fighting next. It's Allan Green. And in August (tentatively), Froch will take on Abraham in what promises to be a balls-out, hard-hitting war.

Throughout this tournament, we've seen what happens when elite-level fighters are forced to check their egos and get ready for tough fight after tough fight. Nobody's had it easy. Nobody's going to have it easy. This competition seems to have, at one point or another, brought out the best in every single one of these six (soon to be seven) men.

  • Fight One: Jermain Taylor, with his career on the brink, gives his all in Germany against a very powerful, unbeaten Arthur Abraham. It's not good enough, but Taylor gains more respect for once again fighting tough opposition. Abraham picks up the best win of his career.
  • Fight Two: Carl Froch and Andre Dirrell's foul-filled mess brings out the best of neither in the ring, but the aftermath leaves both reputations damaged. More on that later.
  • Fight Three: A star is born as Andre Ward dismantles tournament co-favorite Mikkel Kessler. The Danish star is left looking like a second-tier fighter against the young American, who knocks Kessler off his widely-accepted perch as the best super middleweight in the sport.
  • Fight Four: Dirrell, stinging from the talk of him being a runner who is afraid of action, comes to Detroit with a chip on his shoulder, and takes the slow, lead-footed Abraham to school. Abraham, before his ugly DQ, also shows that he's got the motor to gun for the knockout late. After two fights in the tournament, suddenly Andre Dirrell is a hot property. Arthur Abraham's rep takes a hit.
  • Fight Five: Froch wants a good fight, as his reputation in the UK is as an action star, and his last fight was anything but exciting. So Carl's rabbit punches and wrestling go by the wayside. Kessler, having changed corners between the Ward loss and this bout, shows up determined and relaxed, fighting his fight and letting what happens happen. No matter what Froch tried, Kessler found an answer soon enough, and fought through a nasty gash over his left eye to boot. They end their fight with a crazy 12th round, and Kessler leaves the winner.

Four of the fighters have fought twice. Dirrell, Abraham, Kessler and Froch are all 1-1 in the tournament. Three of those men took the first losses of their careers. Ward is 1-0, Green has yet to fight of course.

I can only hope this is pleasing the promoters. Their fighters are gaining new levels of respect, even in losing, that they just would not have by racking up wins over lesser competition. If the promoters have been largely happy so far, then that means the chance for another Super Six still exists.

This tournament is revolutionizing boxing. World class fighters fighting nothing but other world class fighters. All of them thus far showing some degree or fortitude, resiliency, toughness and heart that, in some cases, we did not know these fighters had. We're learning that now, because they're fighting the sort of competition that makes fighters fight their best.

If only it were so simple more often in boxing. So many times when thinking about a fight, I have to wonder if it makes sense for everyone involved, or who has a grudge with who, or who won't fight this guy because he's too tall or too strong or might exploit his weaknesses so he'll fight someone who doesn't. And all the fighters in this tournament hadn't come in testing their mettle to the full degree, either. Dirrell and Ward were still taking baby steps, Kessler was stuck fighting fringe contenders, Abraham was in the bubble in Germany. Now we've seen them all tested. And outside of Ward, we've seen them all lose. They've been gut checked.

I really couldn't be higher on this tournament than I am right now. It has been a wonderful thing for boxing diehards and I hope some casual fans alike. And with all the twists and turns we've seen so far, I don't feel confident picking any single fighter as so far ahead of the rest of the pack that I can't see him losing in this tournament. It's the wild west out there with this thing. Guns are blazing and it seems you never can tell who's going to come out on top.

At the moment, this really couldn't be better than it is.

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I wonder how Froch will react to this loss,

From what I’ve read thus far, he was ok in defeat. But he will simply have to change tactics. There are some skilled boxers inthis tourney and Froch’s walk forward aggression will not be enough now. He has a huge heart, there’s no question there. But look at Kessler, he showed he is still top draw with the ability to not only re group after his last fight but keep to a plan when under pressure and badly cut. I want to see how Froch comes out if this loss. Thanks to all the lads on here who kept the commentary coming during the fight too!! I can’t wait to see it.

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 6:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I was thinking Froch might be able to beat Abraham if it was in Nottingham but i think i’ll end up changing my mind on that one.They are both tough guys but Abraham has a very tight defence whereas Froch has none,as we all know.Abraham is just better all round,imo.
I remember you calling that Taylor should never have been in this tourney Phill,after the Froch KO and you were proved right.
Great article SC and i am looking forward to watching the fight.
Hopefully this tournament will make promoters realise that a fighter doesn’t have to be protected and losses don’t matter,it’s all about who you fight.
I think you might have been partly referring to this in the article when you said this tourney ‘is revolutionizing boxing’.
Making the best fights in each division will always make sense and money to everyone,imo.
Fight fans aren’t easily fooled by frauds and you are either good enough or you aren’t.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 25, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Abraham throws faster power punches than Froch and can catch him quite easily.

It should be a darn good tear-up while it lasts. They’ll certainly test each others’ chins, power and defences. However, if Froch takes the trouble to pot-shot and then move, he’ll keep Abraham off balance and ineffective for long pariods but Abraham finds ways to just grind down an opponent without even throwing effective shots. But he’s always threatening. I guess it’s called pressure.

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by Randy Loathsome on Apr 26, 2010 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Phil - I think he'll be OK

it was a hard fight, but not one he lost in a devastating fashion – I missed what he said to Kessler after the decision was announced – something along the lines of ’you’re a tough f**ker’. I was cheering at the hoping he might just pull it off, but Kessler also has a great chin ! Be interested to know what you think, but I didn’t have it as close of a lot of others (I don’t just mean obvious Froch fans either) I could live with 116-112 – i just thought that Kessler landed on Froch a good deal more, was the aggressor for the vast majority of the fight and seemed to me to control it. In an overall sense the fight was close, but I think if you look at scoring rounds Kessler would be clearly ahead.

by BristolOne on Apr 25, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He already got over this fight the moment he looked himself in the mirror afterwards. That’s just the kind of guy Froch is.

by El Destruyo on Apr 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, I reckon Ill agree with you

Hope Froch gets himself sorted though. He’s not as good as he thought he was, or he had an “off night”… either way he must get back on top. Otherwise he’ll be forever in JC’s shadow. As you said elsewhere, I hope all this sniping between them stops. Calzaghe needs to stay quiet, and leave his record be the loudest statement if you get me.

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the format of the Super Six will actually help him in that regard (if he even needed the help in the first place). There’s no time for you to reflect and wonder where your career’s headed. You already know where your career’s headed because your next fight is already on the schedule, and you had better start getting ready for it.

by taco pal on Apr 26, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi Matt.

This whole competition is what we all want the best v the best.
I hope Froch can adapt now bit I’m not sure that’s in his make up. The guy has had four proper battles on the run.. AA will undoubtedly be a fifth. He cannot go on like that, they are surely career shortening fights. One reason Calzaghe lasted was because he was highly skilled as well as being able to rough it. Froch relys purely on heart and big punches. The AD fight showed that isn’t enough. I like Frochy, he’s a straight up fella, but he’s making life too hard for himself in my opinion. I fear you may be right about his next one, too.
Would a different trainer prepare him any better?

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 7:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah,

all them tough fights one after another has to take it’s toll.That could be one down side to the Super 6,that it shortens careers.
Yeah you’re right about Calzaghe but,dare i say,he had a few easy ones thrown in there too. :).
Froch could do with a few of those.
Not sure if a differenrt trainer would do much with the type of fighter Froch is Phill.
I mean,he doesn’t even do the basic’s well.I used to think he could box if he wanted to but he just seems to be becoming more and more of a brawler as he goes.
I don’t know if he showed anything different last night.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 25, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.. Very true

JC fought some muppets while champ, boxing politics or not, they shouldn’t have been in there with him. I suppose you could could it good buisiness ;-)

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 8:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Also

Going back to Taylor, I always said Bika should have been in there instead of him and Goosey also said Taylor would not last the competition…. he was spot on too! Bika would have given them all nightmares. Imagine him v Dirrell??

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 7:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He was lined up to fight Alan Green for the right to take Taylor’s place but he pulled out for some reason.Probably money.Bad decision on his part,imo.

by Matt Mosley on Apr 25, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Visa issues, officially.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 25, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen

Allan Green,,, (wow, that rhymes!) I look forward to seeing him though.

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 8:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He looks at his shoes a lot.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 25, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he wonders if he should use the bunny ears or the loop to try and tie his shoes…

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by Zocalo on Apr 25, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's good Green and bad Green

Good Green, is that he’s a great finisher, and when he has a guy hurt, he shows that he can really put together punches in a meaningful and hurtful way. Bad Green is the rest of the time.

Anyway, if you want to check out good Green, check on Youtube for Green-Codrington or Green-De Leon. Neither one is more than a few minutes long.

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by Brickhaus on Apr 25, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Brickhaus

I’ll have a squint.

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Looks good,

How will he do against Ward? (another fighter I’ve not seen much of)

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 10:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Poorly. Ward is too fast and too crafty for a fighter like Green. Green really is just a one-punch kind of fighter and if you can avoid that one punch you’ll be fine. Except Ward to fight a similar gameplan to the Miranda fight. Ward UD!

by Waldo Rastel on Apr 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great summary, SC.

It’s not exactly the same situation or anything, but the Super Six setup makes boxing, frankly, feel more like a sport and less like a business.

My thoughts exactly. I never really considered Boxing a sport. It’s usually hard to explain exactly what it is. But this is probably the most “sportslike” it can be, the best fighting the best in a round-robin structure. Boxing really can’t work that way in the long run, but it is great to see happening in this young division. Super Middleweight has finally made its mark on the Boxing world now, I think. It’s hard to understate how much abuse was hurled at it when it first arrived (“Belt factory,” “Retirement home for old middleweights,” etc), but that’s all in the past now. It is one of the premiere divisions in boxing right now.

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by jrok on Apr 25, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Like Joyce Carol Oates, I personally consider boxing a sport but not a game.

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by Matt Miller on Apr 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This tournament is a fine idea because it sets up the best against the best, which by definition should give you great fights. And it has. Only turn in the punchbowl is this…..Bute beats all of them anyway, IMO. Only Ward would give him a bad time, and could beat him.

BTW, Green hasn’t looked down at this shoes in a while…at least during a fight. He finally realized (or someone told him) that was a bad habit.

by FrankinDallas on Apr 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Great write up

I too am pumped for this tourney and hope it starts a trend. If Froch and Kessler rematch in the next round it will definately be an epic fight.

by Tuff.Gong on Apr 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Super Six

Boxing needs a unitary authority in the worst way, but for now it would be great if the Super Six set new standards for competitive matchmaking and cooperation between promoters.

by drivlikejehu on Apr 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

id like to see the next super six at 140 lbs

by Truth1234 on Apr 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

So would HBO, but their effort to put that tournament together seems to be in tatters. The division seems to be doing a decent job circulating its fighters against each other right now, at least.

by El Destruyo on Apr 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone needs to win their next fight… how fucking awesome is that?

No one has earned the right to coast in their last fight of the 3rd round.

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by Zocalo on Apr 25, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Very Awesome!

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by Drunken cutman on Apr 25, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if Ward wins I think he might be able to coast. He would have 4 points and be in the lead over everyone else. If he loses to Dirrell and Abraham wins along with Froch, then he will 4 points along with Froch and Dirrell. Even in this situation Ward still makes it through. If he wins against Green, Ward is good.

by Waldo Rastel on Apr 25, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still love this tournament,

and hope to one day soon be able to pick the winner of match in it. Yet, I am going to say that while I used to state that I hadn’t seen some of these fighters enough to have a good sense of them, I’m beginning to now. Maybe I’m being a little harsh, but I didn’t find last night’s bout to be great: It didn’t exactly call to mind Arguello and Pryor trading shots; in fact, it didn’t call to mind Ward and Gatti. Honestly, I’ve seen better execution and mechanics from amateur fighters than I did from Froch (who I did think shaded the bout). I wasn’t impressed with Kessler, and I’ve come to see that the puzzle that is Arthur Abraham involves being as strong as a tree trunk— but often just about as active as one too. I’m still not sure just how much “fighter” Dirrell has in him, but so far there is little but good to say about Ward. In the end, the tournament is supposed to shed light on the fighters and their places in the super-middleweight hierarchy and it’s fun to watch that shake out.

Froch was a gentleman and a good sportsman after the bout.
He is also strong and awkward, but I don’t see a lot more.

by Don From Prov on Apr 25, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

And the band played on .

It sounded a great battle on the radio in my van on the way to London last night and it was from what ive seen of it today , this tourny is living up to and past my expectations , Froch is a knob who has to listen to his corner , simple as that ( if he is to comeback ) speaking of comebacks nice one Kessler you deserved the nod and its great to see my pre tourny fav still in with a shout , JORK , Very good comments ref the S/Middle division , Nice one .

by Spud Wales on Apr 25, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Josey..

Alrite mate! Yep , Kessler won himself a whole load of fans a few years back in your neck of the woods… me included, so I’m pleased for him too. I couldn’t decide on this one beforehand. Sounds like it was a doozy. Cheers.

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Alrite Scouse ?

Yes Phil , You ? it was a good fight from what i have seen of it mate , back and forth action , I wanted Froch to win but predicted a kessler UD however one of the score cards sounded way off .and yes i’m a big kessler fan i have been for years now and last night he reminded me why . I’m happy for his countrymen as well their support for him don’t dip even when he loses , true supporters the Danes .

by Spud Wales on Apr 25, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

just finished watching the last two rounds of kessler-froch, awesome stuff. my mancrush on kessler has been reinstated, and froch is still my homey. i just wish that they coulda embraced after that epic 12th round

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 25, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Has anyone

Heard from Ted? I assume he’s been busy as I’ve not heard from him. I’ll bet he has a few interesting observations on the fight.

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I believe Ted is out of the country for a few days.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 25, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder,

Might he have gone to the fight?

by Phill on Apr 25, 2010 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That would be pretty badass if he did. You know you’re a hardcore boxing fan if you travel to Herning, Denmark to watch a fight.

by taco pal on Apr 26, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Super Six Kicks Arse

This tournament has been the best thing in the sport for years and it shows just how hard it is to be a dominant world champion in a weight class if all the contenders are made to fight each other like the old days . There was a reason undefeated fighters were basically unknown and that if you fight the best all the time you WILL lose the odd fight . Nowadays you get the Sven Ottkes of the world sitting at home , holding meaningless straps . Ottke made 21 title defences LMFAO and retired unbeaten . If you just went on stats and didnt know the full story you would think he was one of the greatest fighters ever . Calzaghe while a better fighter than Sven was also guilty of spending 9 years sitting at home fighting in the main stiffs . I guarantee if Ottke and Calzaghe were in this tournament they would lose a fight somewhere. In reality if Calzaghe had fought Kessler in Denmark he might have lost . As it was he fought the Dane at home in Cardiff in front of 40 000 fans . You have to give Kessler and the tournament format a wrap , he fought Calzaghe and Ward away from home . After tipping Froch and Pavlik all I can say is thank you Adamek . One outta Three is tolerable . Cheers Blokes.

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by JC40 on Apr 25, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Ottke is awesome…

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by Zocalo on Apr 25, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn you SC

99.9% of the time I skip past your post but today my friend you put together.1%
Good article

by TEXAS 2 FISTS on Apr 25, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

haha thanks man

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by Scott Christ on Apr 25, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahah

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by sonofapsycho on Apr 26, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey JC

Calzaghe would have beaten Kessler anywhere in the world mate he was just a better BOXER than Kessler , he had an answer to every question kessler put to him , his punches from angles all scored massive amounts of points , unless Kessler got a home town decision mate i see nothing being different in Denmark , Calzaghe agreed to fight Kess in Denmark when Palle offered the fight to him Joe called his bluff and Palle took the Money option of the fight being staged here in God’s Acre …lol Regards to all you mad Aussie bastards and Happy Diggers day for Yesterday , Now they were lions led by Donkeys .

by Spud Wales on Apr 26, 2010 5:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Good quality article

Pretty good summation. An intriguing scenario now pertains.

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by Randy Loathsome on Apr 26, 2010 5:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't believe Froch will change or advance much farther

His style was set years ago and he looked damn’ good at domestic level – much as Junior Witter did. He just doesn’t have the style to trouble too many at World level. The fact that Kessler was known as – and remains – a straight-forward box-puncher and that Froch couldn’t seriously disrupt him says an awful lot. It says an awful lot about where exactly Froch stands in regard to Joe Calzaghe who tested Kessler’s abilities and power for the first half of their fight and then streaked away with it in the second. And that was several years ago now. The idea of Calzaghe running scared from Froch has been proven beyond any doubt to be the BS that Calzaghe always claimed. Please don’t mis-read me – I like Froch because of his determination, chin, punch and confidence but he ain’t no Joe Calzaghe. But he was always just wanting to make a pay-day against a fading fighter at the tail end of his career anyway, as is evidenced by his recent comments regarding how dangerously short of big fights he was facing prior to this tournament. Good luck to him but I would suggest that this competition is ‘finding him out’.

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by Randy Loathsome on Apr 26, 2010 5:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Randy,

Froch has shown in the last four fights that he is physically strong, mentally strong, has a strong chin, will stand toe to toe from start to finish. He reminds me of Steve Collins, there’s no denying his courage.. but… Where are his plans B and C? He doesn’t appear to have them. He does the same thing round after
round, fight after fight. He just does everything the hard way.
Great to watch though!!

by Phill on Apr 26, 2010 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hes as tough as collins was but not nearly as good.

he fights a little lazy and sloppy too. he doesn’t seem to gas at all, you’d think he would be more active and keep pressure on his opponent. if he did that the night he would have won.

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by sonofapsycho on Apr 26, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

Collins kept his chin down and his hands up too!

by Phill on Apr 26, 2010 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Collins vs Froch

would be a hell of a fight but I think Collins was too strong, too good.

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by Randy Loathsome on Apr 26, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

can’t wait for stage 3.

froch vs AA and dirrell and ward are going to be a couple more fight of the year candidates.

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-Sonny Liston

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by sonofapsycho on Apr 26, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Sonof..

True. Yet ANOTHER war for Frochy. Poor bastard!

by Phill on Apr 26, 2010 8:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yea, he might have to go to germany too.

its going to be a huge pissing contest on where the fight takes place.

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by sonofapsycho on Apr 26, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Hi

Brand new here, but not to boxing. I’m no expert, I don’t analyze stats, I just appreciate the art of it (I’m an artist) and how champions push themselves to achieve. Since this is my first post I’ll keep it brief.

I was never thrilled about the super six as it seemed like a marketing gimmick, especially since I work for big companies in entertainment and advertising I know the depths corporations will go for a dollar. There’s other fighters that I felt should have been included. It also seems to imply that anyone not included is not good enough, I’m sure Allan Green would disagree.

That being said, there is one thing about it that I do like, and that is they took a chunk of good to very good fighters and make it mandatory that they HAVE to all fight each other. This is the real thing that sets it apart in a world of boxing where most fight fans hate the bad match-ups, the hand-picked opponents, and the hype. It’s nice to see that six guys, even though they may not all be the best of their time, are on or above a certain skill level, and agreed to all fight each other. I don’t ever remember seeing something like this before. To me, this is closer to what the old greats did without being trapped under an umbrella. The best fought the best, at least for the most part.

I also agree that the Kessler Froch fight was a step up. Watching two guys give it their all who are closely matched in power and skill is what boxing is meant to be, or at least what we are told it should be. Knockouts are nice, but when guys are closely matched I think it is infinitely more interesting.

Just my 2.5ยข

by ShadowMask on Apr 26, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Shadow....

Good to hear from you.
BLH is a cool site, good people manage it and all the lads on here are boxing fans first & foremost, I’m one of the new ones too, but have known a good few of them for a couple of years. Nice comments about the “six”.
Cheers.

by Phill on Apr 26, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for the Welcome Phill. I’ve never posted my thoughts on Boxing anywhere before, but I’ve been starting to dissect the industry in the last year or so when I started analyzing marketing strategy that they use which is rarely discussed past the obvious surface, and hope I can share some things that might be of interest, or hatred. Stirring up the shit is always fun. I’ll even disagree with my own views just to make ripples. :)

A promise is comfort to a fool.

by ShadowMask on Apr 26, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff! Don't get too deep though....

Just remember, I’m easily confused, esp after a few cold ones!!

by Phill on Apr 26, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

welcome

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Apr 26, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the site! Glad to have you.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 26, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks to both.

A promise is comfort to a fool.

by ShadowMask on Apr 26, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

How's SHOBOX doing out of this?

Since boxing is, in its current incarnation and unfortunately, foremost a business and then a sport, is there any word on how SHOWTIME and the organizers are doing money wise out of this fight-what the draws on TV, and what the arenas are doing. Like SC, I love the excitement this is providing in boxing, but unless it draws the money, there’s not much chance that it catches on.

by Bonkers on Apr 28, 2010 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Just from watching on TV, the arenas are doing well in Europe. Abraham-Taylor, Froch-Kessler and Froch-Dirrell all had good crowds. But the two fights thus far in the States — Ward-Kessler and Dirrell-Abraham — were pretty dismal for live draw, although I’m sure they had to have expected that to some degree, particularly the idea of putting Dirrell-Abraham in Detroit, where Dirrell has no name despite being from Michigan and where the economy is in the crapper. They’re talking about Dirrell-Ward being in Detroit, too, so who knows what the expectations are with live draws? They seem to have captured solid buzz overall, though just from my own position I wouldn’t call the reception overwhelming just yet.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Apr 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

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