Mayweather-Mosley: Ted the Bull's Breakdown and Prediction

good prediciton,

I see it going the same way, Mosley maybe nabbing a few rounds early and then Floyyd taking the initaitve, maybe knocking him down later with his precise punching. I also think it may one of the more exciting Mayweather fights however that is not sayin a great deal.

Money just too quick for him, too slick, too good.

Floyd by UD

This is great stuff, Ted.

I’ve also held the view that Shane, while a truly phenomenal fighter, has never had the greatest ring IQ. He’s a tougher, harder punching, slightly bigger, stronger, Meldrick Taylor. All the physical tools are there — the tools one would expect in a slick boxer type, but the dude just likes to fight too much.

As for “Money.” You know, if we’re just talking styles here, I must say, few fighters have impressed me the way Floyd has. If it’s “the sweet science” we’re talking about, Floyd’s in-ring capabilities are sublime, and the way he adjusts and breaks guys down are a celebration of the technical nuances of this sport. He’s immaculate. That said, I’ll probably always root against him because I am a romantic and for me, heart and character have always won my devotion, neither of which have ever been Mayweather hallmarks.

good stuff.

I do think Shane’s got a chin advantage. I thought Zab stung Floyd in their fight.

No, you might be right on the prediction, but you really lost me there.

Mosley will try to lure Mayweather into a brawl, but no one has ever really been able to do that, and I don’t think Mosley will be the first.

-I have to respectfully disagree with this. I do believe that the first Castillo fight showed that when clearly down on the cards after 5-7 rounds, PBF will not hesitate to become more aggressive and welcome a fight. Of course the only way this happens is if Sugar gains a significant early lead on the cards, which I personally believe he can do.
Consider: DLH, 5’10, 73 in reach vs. Sugar 5’9’’, 74 in reach. While Shane won’t quite be a complete physical clone of DLH (seeing as that fight was at 154), Oscar was able to use his jab to win the majority of early rounds over an intimidated Floyd. He of course lacked the legs to cut off the ring in later rounds, allowing Floyd to dominate the later rounds and win the SD.
IF (and it’s a big if considering he is 38) Sugar can use his improved jab (as seen in the Margacheato fight) to control the early rounds as Oscar did, and then be able to either cut off the ring in later rounds and abuse Floyd on the ropes, or draw PBF into a firefight, I can see a possibility for even an old Shane to win a close UD or SD.
I do like your analysis though, Ted, and think most of your points are valid.

Im still going with Shane to pull the upset in this one. I sometimes have the urge to change my prediction to the smart money is on Floyd but my gut says Mosley. If he can stay at arms reach, move Floyd back and hit him with combo’s and just try out work him. Mayweather doesn’t like to fight at a high pace so hit him 3-4 shots and move out, get him to come to you then throw another combo.

I dont think Shane will try get Floyd to fight with him cause they know Mayweather wont have anything to do with it. They need to fight there own plan not let Floyd do his thing and get in his rhythm.

This is what I’ve gone over and over in my head to stay on my Mosley UD prediction. No-one is unbeatable and Im hoping Floyd has an off night and Shane is on

I agree with Ted the Bull’s prediction. I’m gonna be absolutely shocked if the boxing headlines on Sunday morning don’t read “Mayweather Routs Old Man Mosley in a 12 Round UD.”

Im just thrilled that Floyd is finally going to fight a welterweight. Not a slow, very hittable british junior welter. Not a blown up lightweight fighting at the welterweight limit for the first time. Marquez had no business fighting welter. Not an old washed up Delahoya ,who by the way Pac man destroyed the way Mayweather should have.(same goes for Ricky). He’ll be fighting someone just as fast as him. Shanes not as technical as Floyd but is way stronger physically, mark my words. Finally im going to see what Floyd Mayweathers made of.

This is going to be shocking and Floyd is ripe for the picking. Once Floyd hits Shane flush and he realizes he can walk through the pot shots and counters things will get good. Floyd’s facial expression is going to register ‘does not compute’.

Shane is going to stop Floyd late. We will then watch the meltdown of Floyd Mayweather mentally in the months to come. He will not be able to deal with a zero and the fact that he is NOT better than Ali, Sugar Shane, Sugar Ray Robinson, or a host of others who’ve come before him. The circus that is Floyd’s camp is coming to a screeching halt.

shane will have to turn the clock back some and become a bully in order to win this. if he works the body throughout, he can hurt floyd and we’ll see what floyd is made of in the late rounds, which i dont think is much.

with that said, safe money is on floyd here for sure.

floyd by UD.

Mayweather to fight tactically and strategically in a somewhat boring bout

I find this prediction to be shocking! Shocking, I say.

But if cherry picking is involved, here is something to ponder: Mosley has only fought 6 times since February 2006.

You can’t really claim that Shane has Cerry picked; he took a fight with Margarito in which he was a huge underdog, and then tried to make fights with both Pac and Mayweather, the best two fighters in the whole sport.

Shane is no cherry picker, never.

Mosley is going to look old and slow out there. Floyd will storm away with it.

The Judah fight showed a few chinks in Mayweather’s armor against a fast southpaw. Personally, I think Pacquiao would fillet Mayweather if the fight happened this year, but Mosley is probably not going to win more then three rounds on the cards. The speed difference these days is very shocking when you compare their last few fights. The game plan for Mosely will probably be to try to goad Mayweather into a war, and the chances of that happening are about as likely as the United States goading France into a war. People tend to forget that Mosley could not catch Miguel Cotto in the final three frames of their fight, and Cotto is a much more available target.

It’s a shame this fight could not have happened six or seven years ago, but thems the breaks. It’s happening now, and Shane is overmatched in every department except raw power. The wound-up Superman punches he used to plaster Margs will look like they are happening in slow motion when he tries them on Floyd Mayweather. Floyd may try to go for the TKO late if it looks like Shane has wore himself out chasing him and eating counters. I don’t really think he can, though.

Curious to see how well this one does on PPV and in the theaters. My guess is around 950K, despite the fact that promotion itself “Who RU You Picking” is the dumbest title for a fight I’ve heard in a long time.

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Yes, I know Floyd was up at 154, not his natural weight, but DLH was one round on one judge’s card from having that fight called a draw ( I didn’t see it that way — had it 116-112 or so for Floyd IIRC). DLH was successful in getting Floyd on the ropes and wailing away, often ineffectively, but it apparently LOOKED good in the judge’s minds. He needs to put some rounds in the bank that way to have any shot at a decision win.

Not past it completely, just over the hill. Simple really. Floyd does pick the ones to beat. Anyone else notice that the truly live opponent he should be facing right now, he isn’t?

Bingo

I think it’ll be a shock to most if Mosley pulls this one off . Mind you , it was a shock to me that he beat Cheato . Maybe there is hope ….
I see Mayweather has been endearing himself to me once again by claiming to be greater than Robinson .
Floyds skills in the ring are obvious however fighting once every ten years ( it seems) and only under the sticktest conditions of his own choosing is not “greatness” …its a fucking joke .
179 wins, 19 losses, 6 draws and 2 no contests in 206 professional bouts, with 109 knockout wins , fighting in half the Cities in Europe , fighting guys weighing 16lds heavier than you. Now thats greatness .

I don’t know what “sticktest” is .

 Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) , I was up your way for the past several days. ontreal has superb looking women which, of course, I already knew. Lost my ass at the Casino but what the hell. I had a great time. The bad guys are all locked up, BTW, pending trial.

Ted, I think Kessler might’ve made some folks eat a few words the other night. I was fairly impressed by the fire in his belly, which hadn’t been flickering for quite some time. Watching him cut Froch late and try for the kayo in the final rounds was maybe his finest moment in a boxing ring.

Old Man Vitali really wanted to decorate his legacy with Haye’s scalp, but time has run out on the clock for him. He is giving Haye to little bro. They are going to put the money back into their business anyway.

But Mosley may well grow old overnight as the saying goes.

Look Floyd is a very skillful fighter, and a defensive master. The only problem is that occasionally Floyd has practiced the Ancient Zen Art of the Perfect Defense: “The best way to avoid a punch is to not be in the ring with the guy who threw it.”

Floyd is complex. He wants to be loved and hated at the same time. Hated because it translates to money. Loved because it means respect. Pretty hard to be both. Guys like Gatti and Ward were old school and just did not know how to bad mouth or trash talk, but they ere 100% respected not only by the fans but also by their ring peers. I look at a guy like Toney in disgust and then recall Carl Thompson with total respect. It’s the nature of the beat tcalled boxing and it is constantly changing.

The line on this fight will be interesting to watch. I mean, shit happens. Cuts happen. Injuries happen. Anything can happen. Though old, Shane is a legit welt with a proven beard. Shane at about +350 sounds about right to me.

Both have fought Oscar De La Hoya and both came away with a win, but in my opinion, Mosley was fortunate to win against “The Golden Boy,” as I had him losing both.

How the hell did you score the 1st fight to Oscar? Mosley beat Oscar in that fight far more convincingly then Floyd did.

Good write up though. The only factor I thought you left out was size and thats why I think it will be a closer fight. Mosley has lost to bigger guys then him in all of his losses. Forrest and Cotto were huge welterweights and Winky was a huge junior middleweight. Mosley, outside of Oscar, would be the biggest guy Floyd has fought. He also is the quickest and most powerful which I think makes this fight very interesting. The thing with Mosley is that his defence isn’t that good and his attacks can be stifled. Mosley will be competitive over the first half of the fight I think before Floyd runs away with it over the 2nd half. I’m hoping we can at least see what happens when Floyd gets hit hard in this fight though.

To have a meal… with Randy Loathy!!

It’s an even fight, with a slight advantage to PBF in age and hand speed. But we will see. Floyd has only had one legit fight at 147 against an “Old Oscar” ( I know the fight was at 154 but that was only because Oscar was eating too many tacos, Oscar was great at 135-140, okay at 147. Average at 154+, plus Floyd came in at like 145 or something) And if you look at what they did at sub 147. Shane was dominate and KO’d everybody. So this is PBF 2nd real fight at 147 Baldamir , Judah both of those guys are mid level guys and Judah’s best days were at sub 147. Also SS lost to Winky who went up to 170 + and had good fights, and Forrest who was a huge 154, plus both of those guys were south paw, which seems to give SS trouble, I thought he won the Cotto fight but in MSG on the weekend of PR day parade good luck trying to get a close decision.

50/50 fight don’t know what’s going to happen could be another PBF boring UD with pot shots and lots of running. Or could be another SS slug fest where he times and hit’s PBF with solid hooks.

PS- I hope we get to see what happens when PBF gets hit. Never really seen him touched, and SS has great power at 147 and below (As we saw with the granite chin of Margacheato). If he hits him a fight might break out and then we will see if he is just a loud mouth or if he can really fight. We know he can box but we have never seen him in a fight.

So this is the biggest fastest most skilled opponent to date and if he dominates him we have to give him his due and hope that Pac Man can shut him up, otherwise we may have to hear his mouth forever.

Just back from Vegas, visiting some Aussie relatives on a US tour when I read Ted analysis. I am basking in the glow of my total destruction of some kids at the Texas hold ’em tables. Love it when they go on tilt…they think they are on TV and can SO be exploited.

Anyway, I can’t argue with Ted’s fine analysis, but I will say that I think Shane will give Floyd his toughest test, and IF Floyd wins, he will shut up a lot of haters.

I agree, Mayweather. I don’t think it goes the distance. I think age plays a big difference here. Watching the HBO special Mayweather/ Mosely 24/7, you get a sense that this is Mosely’s closing act. Mayweather forces the fight to Mosely till he gets hurt and tires. Mayweather in 7 or 8 (stoppage). Mosely retires, maybe picks up a check or two fighting the has beens, maybe.

I accept all the logic, and respect all the previuos posts, I’m probably missing the point here, but… Mayweather’s last fight was against a man two steps up from his previous division, while Moseley’s was against what was believed to be an “unstoppable force”. Marquez lasted the twelve, Margo didn’t.
Again, I know you may think I’m mad, it’s just my take on things!!

how many great seats are still available to see this fight live?

Though I have noticed that, around here at least, the hype is much less than I would expect. Among friends and those at the local bar, few if any are really talking about this fight. Much less than usual for what should be a “mega fight”.

you can still buy VIP, Ringside etc. In fact, every sector has seats left.

I think there’s a possibility that GBP has set themselves up with poorly managed expectations.

But I smells me an upset !! Floyd should win, the favourite should always win, but boxing’s greatest upsets are just that because few ever predict them.

I see an inspired and determined Mosley fighting out of his skin, bombarding Floyd from the first bell, willing to take one or two to land three punishing bombs. I picture a stone-cold Shane walking through Floyd’s counters, hurting him on the ropes and taking him into deep water; planting seeds of self doubt in Frontrunner’s mind for the first time in his career. I see Shane mixing it up mid-rounds, drawing Floyd’s lead and countering him with damaging blows. – Mosley to rise above – SD.

I agree with most of the points and agree with the prediction itself, but it seems that there are some sprinkles of fanaticism for Mayweather here (the way that his fans defend him against his haters) that make it appear he’s selling Mosley somewhat short. Other than that, I appreciate his open appreciation of Mayweather’s pure skills and abilities.

 You can do it Mosley … tear his f*ckin head off,,,,

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