Hopkins decisions Jones in miserable fight
by Scott Christ on Apr 4, 2010 12:48 AM EDT
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Bernard Hopkins got his revenge tonight, beating Roy Jones Jr. by wide unanimous decision in an awful, ugly, and bizarre fight that lived down to the mostly-dreadful expectations of the public, and frankly was probably even worse than anyone really expected.
Official scores were 118-109, 117-110 and 117-110. Bad Left Hook scored it 118-109.
Hopkins (51-5-1, 32 KO) and Jones (54-7, 40 KO) never stepped on the gas much, except for one point when Hopkins came back from a rabbit punch with a bit of fire in his belly. After that, they nearly brawled to a double disqualification, but then that spirit never returned.
Hopkins -- who landed a blatant low blow that Tony Weeks didn't see and a rabbit punch that Weeks also missed -- would later complain and roll around on the mat again after another rabbit punch, and went into the whole spiel once again after a low blow.
I don't want to sound like I have no respect for these two fighters. I do. But neither of them looked like they had anything left tonight, the fight was hideous, and the tiny violin-worthy actions of Hopkins were despicable. The fight was truly bad in every single way. Neither fighter landed much by way of significant punches (Jones may not have landed one truly good shot all night), Hopkins flopped three times, Jones later called time on a second Hopkins low blow, and overall the whole thing just felt farcical and embarrassing.
After the fight, Hopkins called out David Haye, which I think more than ever is a terrible idea for him.
They both need to retire, and now. Hopkins is not a top 10 pound-for-pound fighter anymore. He didn't look too great against Enrique Ornelas, and he looked worse tonight. Frankly, I think that's enough said about this fight.
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Good tone SC
Hop should be ashamed, that was miserable and blatant acting. He looked like a WWF wrestler with all that bullshit. The Executioner? Are you F’ing kidding me? He should do his ring entrance with a pacifier and a Depends.
I defended that bullshit during the Calzaghe fight, but this was just shameful and fraudulent.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I second the WWE comment
—the whole “acting” scheme during the course of the fight left me shaking my head even more than I already was the moment the fight was being made.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
RICHARD SCHAFER BLAMES YOU THE FANS FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THE "SWEET SCIENCE"
Richard Schafer response to why the fans boo’d two onced legendary fighters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIv_qOAk4zA&#t=01m58s
"I'm Nobody's FanBoy" - higgledy-piggledy
by higgledy-piggledy on Apr 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Schafer can be an ass
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He came off like a like a used-car salesman, We all know what we witnessed in that ring last night
"I'm Nobody's FanBoy" - higgledy-piggledy
by higgledy-piggledy on Apr 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Col. Bob Sheridan used the same bullshit for the BJ Flores fight on March Badness last year. “These fans don’t get it.” That must be it. That’s why people hated The Brown Bunny, too. They didn’t “get it.” It wasn’t that it sucked.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
What? This fight wasn't that bad.
Doug Fischer said it was entertaining. Col. Bob called it a chess match and that they fought to the bell! It was a war of attrition called as it is by a total of 5 announcers on two English feeds and it wasn’t as awful as us boxing cretins make it out to be. Say what you want about Howard Cosell, but he would’ve said this fight was crap.
That was a horrible, despicable, unacceptable display of “boxing” by both fighters. B-Hop’s bullcrap is indefensible….sort of like that weird intro by Roy Jones.
SC the fact that you RBRed a fight as diabolical as this should earn you your $50 back.
Sig bet record: 1-0.
say what you want about Jim BANGley but he wouldve been yelling at you for watching this piece of shit in the middle of the first round, and start talking about mayweather-mosley
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 4, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe I'm defending Lampley. But when the fight is awful he gets pissed
Hence BANG!
Sig bet record: 1-0.
OKAY JIM! You know what? F*** this. JIM I GOTTA TELL YOU! THIS FIGHT SUCKS MORE
THAN AN ORECK VACUUM CLEANER! NEITHER OF THESE GUYS ARE FIGHTING AND IT’S JUST SO DIRTY!
Sig bet record: 1-0.
Obviously it was a disgrace
—this was the perfect example of a fight that was never supposed to take place. Even a Versus telecast, let alone a PPV one. If HBO, SHowtime passed it up….you already knew the outcome.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
Casamayor/Marquez was passed up
And it was a pretty good fight.
But yeah for these fighters you knew it would probably suck.
Sig bet record: 1-0.
I know Marquez/Diaz on PPV is pointless
—atleast 80-90% of know there is going to be some form of contention between the two even when we know who will win the fight.
Marquez-Diaz 2 on PPV = Hopkins-Jones 2 but with more substance.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
you have got to be kidding me. baby bull-JMM will actually have punches being thrown.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 4, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The first fight was a war and a FOTY candidate
Marquez still has it but not anywhere above 140.
I’m starting to think Diaz is shot but it would be fun until he gets knocked out again.
Sig bet record: 1-0.
their first fight was FOTY, and diaz will dethrone JMM and continue his HOF career as the 135 champ
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 4, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz
—lol, that guy is somethin’ else, good he is not.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
Yeah, my point exactly.
—but that doesn’t negate the fact the fight isn’t PPV-worthy. That’s just my opinion and the substance would be the fact these two will throw back at one another.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
A Chess match it was not...
—However, B-hop is not a finisher so I fail to see the point some folks in the Boxing community were trying to make. Hopkins didn’t finish Enrique Ornales who was clearly no where in Hopkins league, same with Tarver.
It was quite obvious the moment you knew the Hopkins vs Jones 2 fight was being made legitimate PPV broadcast, nothing good was to come of it. So, once again, I fail to understand the reasoning behind all the fury of it being a horrible fight. It was supposed to be.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
It didn’t need to be this bad is what it is. I was prepared for boring, but they went above and beyond. It was heinous.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
It was immortal…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
immoral*
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
and immortal in the sense that this fight was an ATG horrible fight
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 4, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The fight didn't have or need to happen
—perfect example of a Hopkins cherry pick.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
That's the point I was trying to make
—we all knew what it was supposed to be beforehand. There is really no use trying to explain or convey what we already knew.
Hopkins is a boring fighter, Jones can’t pull the trigger i.e. lost a step…or two. Perfect makings for a disgrace of a fight.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
well
if you thought it was gonna look that bad, I’m confident you’re pretty much alone.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
That's why I'm not suprised at some of the comments
—it’s as if some of you expected a come-from-behind victory or expect some sort of return on your investment.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
It’s not the boxing. It was everything else.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
It wasn’t the boxing, it was Boxing.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
what does this mean?
Are you saying – ’that’s boxing for ya?, that’s just another fight, purdy commonplace shit’ – because that’s. not. reality.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Basically. It wasn’t the fighting, it was the sport. Anyone and everyone who was forced to report on this knows that this fight took place 17 years too late.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
Well, no. Nobody wanted a rematch in 1993.
And you’re missing the point entirely. No one’s talking about the sport. Nobody is saying, “Damn! THIS cost $50? Fucking boxing, I tell ya!”
What I’m saying is that the rolling around the ring, the constant fouling, all that in-ring bullshit. It was not the legal action that made this the mockery it was.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
As far as the clean, legal action, it was just a boring fight. The rest of the garbage made it unbearable.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
You’re missing the point…
What did you expect out of a 41 year old shot Roy Jones and a 45 year old, can’t finish, Bernard Hopkins?
As I pointed out before. This fight had all the makings for a disaster. Even without the fouling and Bernard Hopkins-esque antics.. it was still a stillborn of a match.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
What did you expect out of a 41 year old shot Roy Jones and a 45 year old, can’t finish, Bernard Hopkins?
Not all the blatant fouling and Hopkins’ bullshit.
As I pointed out before. This fight had all the makings for a disaster. Even without the fouling and Bernard Hopkins-esque antics.. it was still a stillborn of a match.
I am aware. I’m not sad because it wasn’t a Fight of the Year.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
So it was trash without the fouling and even worse with it. All in all, it was still trash.
Okay. I’m actually suprised you watched the fight because you thought you’d expect something, that’s just what my assumption behind our little convo’.
I merely watched it for shock value.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
I watched it ‘cause I like boxing a lot. End of the day, that’s really all it was.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
It wasn't supposed to be this ugly.
I had a slight hope that maybe there would be some spurts of decent boxing…but this was a hideous excuse for boxing.
Sig bet record: 1-0.
Even the great Joel Casamayor would walk away from this fight from the dirtyness...
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
lol i like the headline in the SBNATION “recent stories” section on the right.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 4, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions
OMG it is on the front page of yahoo…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
i’m too late cuz it ain’t there
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 4, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
All I see is some story about why Donkey Kong is called a Donkey Kong and not Monkey Kong. Top notch reporting right there.
the greatest mystery of the past 20+ years has finally been solved
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 4, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
About what I expected from two blokes with a combined age of 86. Hops cynicism in taking Roy as an opponent showed me he knows he is shot . His cynicism continued in the use of Roys retaliatory fouls to get rest periods . Hopkins has no stamina any more while Roy is the epitome of " no legs , he’s shot" . I watched it on a stream with my brother while sinking a few cold ones and we were laughing that some people paid $50 for it . Ryan’s on the money it was never going to be Ali – Frazier 1 or Castillo – Corrales . Hops is fleecing the public surely Haye wont fight him LMAO Old Nard will just lie down in the first or second and count his cash afterwards if that happens . I’m changing my avatar as well Nard should just piss off into the distance , he’s had a great career but post Pavlik its become a bore . Cheers fellas and I didnt whack a comment on the live part of the round by round because those two old has beens don’t deserve any record in the comments made department .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
HOPKINS WNATS DAVID HAYE -
Bernard Hopkins was a few days late with calling Davis Haye out, that would have been a perfect April Fools’ joke.
With all due respect, Hopkins is too ‘old’ and the fight wouldn’t interest Haye anyway. Beating a ‘old’ man is a cheap ‘Win’ on the record. There are no brownie points for beating Hopkins past his prime.
"I'm Nobody's FanBoy" - higgledy-piggledy
by higgledy-piggledy on Apr 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh No doubt that is just BS
It would be a terrible fight that no one wants to see.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Fight wasn't that bad
Lot of haters round these parts
When did Michael Buffer start wearing glasses?
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
I think he does that from time to time.
Sometimes he wear them and other times he opts not to.
Sig bet record: 1-0.
I guess
—Buffer decided to be the “older” man just so Hopkins and RJ wouldn’t feel bad.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
That wasn’t good, that was incredible.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
It was bad for the sake of bad
—Hopkins is a man who claims to want Guy-A or Guy-B if he beats Guy-C. Yet, we end up with this abortion of a fight that shouldn’t have taken place.
The only time a Hopkins-Jones fight would’ve been a must-see is if it was a foot race to see who gets the jello in the Retirement home.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
for a guy who’s a PBF fan, you sure do complain a lot about cherry picking opponents
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 4, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
If Floyd was the only culprit doing the cherry picking, I wouldn’t have to.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
Floyd and Manny are still the king cherrypickers Ryan
Mayweather has been a welter since 2006 . Cotto , Margarito , Clottey , Paul Williams were all fighters with more credentials at 147 than Hatton and Marquez . The only reason Floyd is fighting Mosely is the fact he has to , that is if he wants to have parity in the pre fight bargaining with Pacquiao . Hopkins is 45 he’s got more excuse for selectively choosing his opponents than Floyd jr . Tszyu , Casamayor and Freitas were also stylistically dangerous opponents Floyd managed to avoid as was Vernon Forrest at 147 . Mayweathers fans say Mosely avoided Floyd at 135 but it was a sham offer . Everyone in the game knew that De La Hoya and Moselys camps were negotiating to fight.Floyd was just hoping to get the big money shot at Oscar himself .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Mayweather has been a welter since 2006 . Cotto , Margarito , Clottey , Paul Williams were all fighters with more credentials at 147 than Hatton and Marquez .
I really don’t want to start a big Mayweather argument, but Top Rank wanted nothing to do with Mayweather-Cotto by all accounts, and while I thought the Marquez fight was crap, I have no problem with Mayweather-Hatton. Guys move up all the time looking for glory. Two lineal, reigning world champions at 147 and 140. There was nothing wrong with that matchup, IMO. Nobody gave Bernard Hopkins guff for fighting Joe Calzaghe.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
All true and fair points
But I like comers type bloke and Floyd’s not one of them Scott.In the end it is about the money and Hatton with his big pommy fan base is worth more for less risk than all the welters I mentioned . I’ll leave it at that mate . Whatever you say someone like De La Hoya or Mosely have a far better resume than Floyd jr as far as risky fights .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
fight all comers
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Dan Rafael just called the fight ‘pathetic.’ 7,000 fans with lots of giveaways according to DR. Bhop collapsed in the locker room after the fight apparently too. RJJ to the hospital as well….
The fight was beyond pathetic
—I love RJ, I have huge respect for B-hop, but seriously. In the words of The Miz…“Really?”
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
I wanna add one more thing, because I’ve done enough Roy Jones articles for my lifetime, at least until he retires.
You know what’s most scary about Roy possibly continuing to fight? He doesn’t want to be in there. He looked absolutely terrified of getting hit. I’m not trying to bash him when I say that. I don’t wanna be hit, either. But I mean he looked flat out scared of getting hurt by a punch.
Actually, two more things: for all the crap, and though I feel every word I said bashing this fight above, it’s something I know I’ll pretty easily be able to ignore. That wasn’t the Roy Jones I’ll remember, and it wasn’t the Bernard Hopkins I’ll remember either. Cal Ripken’s last season was pretty tough to watch, too.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Roy's No Idiot , He Knows He Is Shot.
Im just hoping neither of these two get in the ring again mate . Roy will end up as an opponent as he was in the Green fight in Australia , bringing his marquee name to sell the fight to a boxing ignorant public ( sort of like this fight LOL) I couldnt imagine he could be sold as a fighter in the states now . Surely not ? As for Hops Haye , surely even the British fans wont pay for that although you never know .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Roy hasn’t been sellable in the States for years now. Since the Trinidad fight, which being honest, I attribute the 500,000 buys that did largely to Trinidad and it being his comeback fight.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
If you showed 1995 Roy Jones this fight
he would have blown his brains out. I can’t imagine that Roy thought he would ever be ‘one of those guys’ that hang around too long and sully their reputation. You know that he has to know he lost a step. He has to know that no matter what he does in sparring or in training, that he can’t do what he once did in the ring anymore. I felt really bad for Roy during the fight because he had no chance. The man who put both his hands behind his back, then knocked someone out, had no chance to win from the bell. I hope he retires. Mainly because we can write off most of the last few years as him being shot, and remember his greatness.
Every now and then, I make the right decision and refuse to buy a PPV.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I’m going to count not ordering Holyfield-Botha as a win for my record next week. I need one, even a gimme like that. I’ve ordered some shit, but I draw the line at Francois Botha, with or without a decent HBO card.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 4, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 4, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
we need to talk real fights now?
like how about bhop vs. abraham at a 171.5lb catchweight? maybe instead of scoring it on a 10 pt must system they can score on which guy fakes more low blows, or which guy throws more illegal punches?
I never thought they would be able to put on a worse show than the first fight but,unbelievably,it sounds like they managed it.
I had very little interest in this from the moment it was announced.
They should both retire.I was/am a fan of both but all the prison talk from Hopkins gets tiring,especially when you are rolling around on the floor faking injury.
That prison talk
Gets hard to believe too when he’s tooling round on the floor on all of those nasty 100 dollar bills. Who’s conning who?
by Phill on Apr 5, 2010 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tooling???
“Rolling” f’kin auto “thingy”!
by Phill on Apr 5, 2010 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
testing me new avatar ;-)
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Props to SC re Juarez
Glad I did not buy it.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 4, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
I had the weirdest dream last night
Something about Bernard Hopkins being led into the ring by a children’s clothier and three old fat women singing "My Way," and then doing some kind of weird dancing with Roy Jones Jr. while everybody booed. It’s a good thing THAT NONE OF THAT EVER HAPPENED AND IT WAS JUST SOME BAD CHINESE FOOD I ATE I AM GONNA THROW OUT THAT MENU.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Reading the funny comments on BLH last night had me literally crying…my wife yelled at me from downstairs “are you watching porn again”. I said “no, honey, I don’t cry when I watch porn”.
by FrankinDallas on Apr 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
haha
It was a great live thread.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Good one.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to see Haye send Hopking to Cheese Steak Dreamland. I’m sick of his stale rap.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, it wasn't a good fight overall
Not the worse I tolerated to have seen, but true, the bizaare shit about this fight made it quite unbearable… But did Hopkins really look that bad? I know he did on those over-acting jobs, but performance-wise? I thought he looked okay. He can continue to fight, and fight one of the best, just not his terrible idea of fighting a heavyweight. As for Jones, no question about it for years now.
He would get slaughtered by Dawson IMO
In what would probably be another ugly fight courtesy of Hopkins.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 4, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopkins is cooked
He looked slow and old, and a bit trigger-shy against a guy with no power left. He didn’t look good in December against Ornelas either, and he looked better there than he did here, and Ornelas, frankly, is probably better than Jones.
Last time Hop looked good, Kelly Pavlik pretty much stood there and let Bernard do whatever he wanted. Hopkins intimidated him from the opening bell and had his way with Pavlik.
Met with guys who can move and make him work really hard — Calzaghe, Taylor — he’s had trouble in recent years. I don’t think he does well against any of the athletic light heavies right now (Dawson might actually shut him out, because I don’t see Bernard getting inside on him, which is the only place he can beat him) and if he really fights David Haye, he’s going to get knocked cold.
It’s not a big knock on Bernard Hopkins. He’s 45 years old. He’s a really, really old fighter. He’s done things that we might not see again at his age. But it’s just time to let it go. He flopped last night to get his wind a couple times, it seemed. It was FeintFest 2010, and Hopkins was wearing himself out.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Apr 4, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Met with guys who can move and make him work really hard — Calzaghe, Taylor — he’s had trouble in recent years. I don’t think he does well against any of the athletic light heavies right now (Dawson might actually shut him out, because I don’t see Bernard getting inside on him, which is the only place he can beat him) and if he really fights David Haye, he’s going to get knocked cold.
Spot on analysis.
There's two different types of "can't pull the trigger"
Hopkins is one, Jones is the other or both
Jones is slower than he used to be, and so while he can still see what he wants to do and where he wants to throw, he can’t get the body to execute. But more importantly, Jones’ fight brain is finished, he can’t get himself to take risks to win the fight. His brain is unwilling let his body execute the plan of attack.
Hopkins is slooow. He was never fast, but he cannot get the punches off anymore. Plus, he can’t throw many punches without gassing. I think he can be competitive with some decent guys, but anyone who can take his now mediocre power can beat him on points. I didn’t see evidence that he’s any more deliberate or tentative than he ever was. With that said, whose he gonna fight? Dawson annihilates him, same with someone like Cunningham. Adamek’s too big. I don’t know who he fights. Could he beat anyone in the Super Six? I don’t think so. AA may be his best match-up, just because AA’s a guy who throws so few punches, but I don’t think Hop wants that fight.
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Jones Vs Hopkins?
Boxing is turning into a WWF Wrestling circus . The Jones Vs Hopins fight was all a set up for 2 old guys who were great a few years ago but not any more. They set it up for easy pay days. A sad day for Boxing. Did you see either Jones or Hopkins throw 1 decent punch? I didn’t.
After the bell that one round…
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
How much better does Calzaghe look now?
It’s amazing he got decisions over not one, but both of these crafty foxes!
"And so, as, uh, Heavyweight Champion recognized by nine of the fourteen sanctioning bodies..." -Drederick Tatum, The Simpsons
The lesson both of these could learn from Calzaghe is knowing when to retire. In particular I feel bad seeing Jones who was such a fantastic athlete and entertainer so impotent in a fight. I’ve personally always thought Hopkins was overated somewhat – but with the faking injury element that he has no brought into his repertoire – the gap between his Philly ‘blue haze’ talk and reality has become ridiculous. Every fight has some impact on your legacy – Saturday night was another stain on the legacy of both.
Agreed
Say what you like about his actual career but Calzaghe knew when to walk away. He is now comfortably rich, married to a beautiful woman, has a family, and isn’t at all punchy.
We’ll just ignore the cocaine thing…
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 5, 2010 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I know I harp on this occasionally, but whatever robot tallies boxrec’s P4P ratings needs to go under the wrench:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr
4 Wladimir Klitschko
5. Vitali Klitschko
6. Chad Dawson
7. Paul Williams
8. Kelly Pavlik
9. Juan Manuel Marquez
10. Lucian Bute
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Agreed jrok
That’s a strange top 10 – no Shane Mosley ? Yet Pavlik is in at number 8 – I would no way have him the top 10 Chad Dawson I’m happy to see in there. Hopkins at this stage of his career no ? – no As for the Klits – I give them a lot more respect than most, but not sure about that, Paul Williams good fighter, but agin I’m not sure at all about him in top 10. Whoever does the list doesn’t have a lot of time for the smaller guys – only JMM of the top 10 is now fighting below Welter – and he only makes number 9! ?????
no Shane Mosley ?
He’s been inactive for over 12 months.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I was under the impression that it was decided by an algorithim
Which compares the value of wins and awards points accordingly. A great idea but also massively flawed.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 5, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
but whatever robot tallies boxrec’s P4P ratings needs to go under the wrench:
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Silly me
speedy reading claims me as a victim once again.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 6, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones - Hopkins
That fight was awful. Predictable. I read an interesting article before the fight on lockerblogger.com about how it would go, and thats exactly what happened. Its been a great ride, but both fighters should hang em up.
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