Quick Hits - Bradley-Maidana in the works, Dawson-Pascal for the Ring title
by Brickhaus on Apr 6, 2010 7:17 PM EDT
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- According to Dan Rafael's blog, Timothy Bradley might not be fighting Luis Carlos Abregu in his HBO debut after all. According to his sources, Bradley's camp has been working feverishly to work out a deal to face Marcos Maidana in his June 19 fight. This would be a pleasant surprise, and I see no way this could be a bad fight. If it does get made, it will mean that Bradley will have faced top 10 junior welterweights in five of his last six fights.
- It had been rumored previously, but it's now official that Beibut Shumenov must make a mandatory defense against Vyacheslav Uzelkov, who is ranked in the Ring Magazine top 10. Uzelkov is undefeated and holds a win over Gabriel Campillo, the man who Shumenov robbed at gunpoint to win the title. And because there's no such thing as too many mandatories, Chris Henry is also a mandatory for the title.
- While it still hasn't been officially announced, at least one fight on the Mayweather-Mosley undercard seems to be set. Saul Alvarez will be facing Jose Miguel Cotto, Miguel Cotto's younger brother. Cotto has fought most of his career at lightweight and was a fringe contender there at best, but it should be a decent showcase for Alvarez to make his U.S. major fight card debut.
- As previously announced, Roberto Garcia will be facing Antonio Margarito in Tony's comeback fight. Garcia is hooking up with Freddie Roach as a trainer for the fight, and both Garcia and Roach seem convinced that Garcia can win this one. Garcia is 28-2, but hasn't lost since 2004, although his level of competition has been mediocre at best. Considering the reason Margarito's been absent, together with the beating he took at the hands of Shane Mosley and having quite a bit of ring rust, more than a few pundits are predicting that Garcia can pull off the upset.
- After this weekend's dismal performance, Ring Magazine dropped Bernard Hopkins from #2 at light heavyweight to #4 (but, strangely, he's still ranked at #6 on their pound for pound list). Because of the drop, they announced that Chad Dawson versus Jean Pascal will be for the Ring title. Pascal is rated #3, but since Glen Johnson is rated #2 and Dawson has already recently beaten Johnson twice, they have sanctioned a #1 versus #3 bout for the title. Zsolt Erdei is still the lineal champion, but nobody really cares.
- I brought this one up in a fanshot, but in a downright strange story, twin brothers Travis and Tarvis Simms were both arrested this weekend. The two got into an argument, Travis punched Tarvis, the two rolled around on the floor for a while, one of them bit Travis's daughter when she tried to break them up, and Tarvis then pulled a knife on Travis. I guess this is one way to make a fight if Don King won't make fights for them. This has to also negatively affect Travis's post-boxing career as a politician - he's a member of the Norwalk city counsel.
- If Darren Barker beats Affif Belghecham this weekend for the European middleweight title, it's likely that his first defense would be against Grzegorz Proksa. Winner of that fight probably becomes a legitimate top 10 contender, if it happens.
- Rodel Mayol has been ordered to rematch Omar Nino. Their previous fight, in which Mayol retained his title in a technical draw where he was knocked out as the referee was jumping in to give Mayol time after receiving a low blow.
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Come on Roberto Garcia!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 6, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
Bradley-Maidana sounds good
Bradley will take him apart but it will still be fun.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
Just for the record, I dropped Hopkins down to #5 at LHW and out of the P4P top 20 here. I don’t have a whole lot to say about it. I wouldn’t pick him to beat Dawson, Pascal, Cloud, or Glen Johnson anymore, and I don’t think he’s one of the top 20 boxers in the world anymore. He’s 45 and age has caught up with him, it’s just that he fought Enrique Ornelas and Roy Jones when it caught up finally. He still got to win instead of taking a beating.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
good call IMO
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 6, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Also wtf ring?
Having Nonito, B-hop, and Cotto at 5-7 in the p4p seems a little odd to me. Nonito has to be dropped because of inactivity, no if and or buts there. B-hop in the top 15 is simply a byproduct of Hopkins being so closely associated Golden Boy, because there is no other rational reason for that ranking. Cotto needs to be lower after his performances against Clottey and Pacman. The Ring’s p4p seems like it is always kinda slanted toward older fighters but this is a little ridiculous right now.
None of the rankings have anything to do with Golden Boy
I really just hate that argument. I can even see where someone could claim bias in articles, but the rankings are done by a panel of 38 journalists, only three of whom are associated with The Ring (and one of whom is Dougie Fischer, who we know that while he has his biases, he’s not a Golden Boy shill).
Check the list – there are a lot of familiar names there. The main issue is that the panel is too US-centric. There are like 3 Brits on there and the rest are all Americans. http://www.ringtv.com/about/
I don’t agree at all with having those guys there, but a big part of the problem is that people are just lazy with their rankings. They don’t rethink them through after every fight. Most guys won’t drop someone unless they lose or become ineligible, which has led to all kinds of oddities.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
All of those people on the board watched the fight. Then they met/voted about the p4p rankings and decided that Bhop still deserved to be in the top 10 p4p. How is that possible? I can see the laziness argument for not dropping Bhop out of the rankings but why not just drop him to 10th at that point? Dougie and Joe were announcing the fight and Michael Rosenthal wrote an article about how bad the fight was, which is already 3 members who had to downgrade bhop severely. Slanted toward the older fighters because of laziness is fine, but leaving Bhop in there and at that high a position is simply ridiculous in my opinion.
They have promised bigger changes soon
To me it all sounds like they are very lazy with the way they reassess their rankings. Also why is Amir Khan number 3 at Junior Welterweight? Perhaps for his great win over highly ranked…
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 7, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that it's indefensible
But I don’t agree with it. If he beats Malignaggi then definitely, but not till then.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 7, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
In the Ring rankings Kotelnik was either #10 or #9 in the junior welterweight division, so he wasn’t ranked that highly. Remember that Maidana was didn’t get too much respect for the split decision with Kotelnik….
Yeah but like i said Khan won more or less every round.There’s no way Maidana deserves to be above Khan at this stage,imo.Malignaggi,possibly.
Other than him,who else is there?
I don’t think it’s much of an issue really.Khan deserves to be no.3 or 4.
and most people feel that was bullshit. matt really loves his UK fighters, dude has patriotism i’ll give him that
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 8, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I like any fighters who are talented,doesn’t matter where they are from.
If you actually knew me and had read my posts regularly you would know that i am quite fair in my opinions and criticise Brit fighters as much as praise them.
I back Khan and David Haye because a lot of cynics like to jump on them constantly.
Just redressing the balance a bit. :)
Another case of someone (battle axe) wrongly calling a close decision (Maidana v Kotelnik) a robbery or ‘bullshit’.
A close fight going either way is NOT a robbery.
Maidana should have taken it out of the judges hands if he was as good as some of you hype machines proclaim him to be.
Or he could have made the winner obvious by winnig every round,like Khan did.
I agree that it was a close fight
Not a robbery, but could have easily gone the other way. Not sure if he could have taken out Kotelnik, whose chin is pretty darn sturdy.
Maidana doesn’t have a style where he could win every round against a boxer. Just not gonna happen.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Maidana should have taken it out of the judges hands if he was as good as some of you hype machines proclaim him to be.
Maidana has almost never been hyped by anyone I’m afraid.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 8, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not hyped by the boxing websites but he is by some fans.
I agree that Khan did avoid him and if Khan doesn’t take on some of the more dangerous top guys at 140 within the next year,he definitely start to lose my support but until then i just say people should be patient.
Imo,Bradley or Alexander will come out on top but i just think Khan boxes Maidana to a decision,with the much needed help and stratregy of Roach.
Ah I see we have seperate definitions of hyped
I interpret it as meaning promoted by a network, rather than just someone saying that he is good.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 8, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i know what you mean.
I did say ‘some of you hype machines’ though,meaning Maidana fans.
They would say the same about me and Khan but honestly i just prefer watching talented,fast fighters as opposed to crude bangers.
Of course a combination of both is just great! (minus the crude part) :)
I see Maidana as a more refined version of Ricardo Mayorga in that he may well get to the top but he won’t stay there for long and he will burn out relatively quick.
To be honest though,with 140 so full of talented guys,i don’t think he’ll get to no.1 but might pick a belt up at some point.Too predictable to avoid defeat for long,imo.
hey stop putting emphasis on belts!
:)
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I'm not sure who I would rank higher
Unless you want to stick Hatton in there. He should be rated higher than Maidana and Kotelnik. Campbell has beaten nobody at 140. I guess Malignaggi could go above him, but his resume isn’t that much better than Khan’s, and I think Khan will beat him rather easily head to head.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
let me see what I have
1. Bradley
2. Alexander
3. Maidana
4. Hatton
5. Khan
Hatton is dropping out next time I do the update, so technically it’s:
1. Bradley
2. Alexander
3. Maidana
4. Khan
5. Paulie
After that you get into your Nate Campbells (0-0 with three bad rounds at 140), Lamont Petersons (one significant fight and badly outpointed), Kaizer Mabuzas (tough-lookin’ dude, but all he really has is the Holt win), Kotelniks and Cayos. Kotelnik could rank higher, really. Kotelnik could be as high as No. 5. But nobody loves Andriy Kotelnik. He’s like some sort of bizarre outcast.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Bradley-Maidana would be awesome
And I don’t think Tim Bradley is going to have any easy time with Maidana. Holt put Bradley down twice. I’m not saying Bradley has a “bad chin,” I’m saying Maidana hits like a donkey kicks and Tim sometimes lets himself get caught.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I really don't think Maidana catches him enough to hurt him much
Bradley can outbox him from distance all night if he wants to. Of course a puncher like Maidana is never to be discounted which makes watching this fight a fun prospect.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 6, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradley can outbox him from distance all night if he wants to.
Maybe. Maidana is taller and longer and wings shots from all over. Bradley loves to get inside, too.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
True
But he definitely did his best work on Alexander from the outside. If he can resist getting drawn into any sort of brawling I think he can land good counters and stay away from Maidana’s power with relative ease.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 6, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you mean Peterson. I also don’t think Bradley and Shaw would be working so hard to make this fight if they didn’t see a way to pick Maidana apart. It’s a great fight on paper, genuinely a potential FotY.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I do mean Peterson
It’s getting late here and my brain is shutting down…
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 6, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Peterson was landing bombs to the body on the inside and Bradley wasn’t doing much to stop it. I saw a lot of the “let’s go toe to toe” attitude in the Peterson fight which makes Maidana an intriguing matchup.
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 6, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of that was probably because Lamont isn't a big puncher though
He was more disciplined against Witter and Holt, for instance.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I don't like Maidana-Bradley
I absolutely LOVE it. Honestly, outside of fights that are actually impossible (Wlad v. Vitali) and those that are seemingly impossible (Manny v. Floyd), I don’t know that there’s another fight in boxing that I’d rather see right now.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 6, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
Good point
There arent very many good and even fights.
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 7, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, with the standard caveat
that I find Rafael to often be insufferable, I think his commentary on Jones-Hopkins was great, as were his comments about John Ruiz. File the recent quasi-love fest with Ruiz in the “things you never thought you’d ever see” file, but I’m largely on board.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 6, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
Re: Zsolt Erdei as lineal champ
Didn’t he vacate the lineal title when he moved up to cruiser?
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
Nah. Hatton didn’t vacate his lineal 140 title when he moved up to welter against Collazo or Mayweather.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
He was only up for one fight
He vacated the WBO title though.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Bradley vs Maidana would be a hell of a fight...
Also looking forward to watching “El Canelo” for the first time….
I too am definitely looking forward to Bradley vs. Maidana, but Iike many, I only give Maidana a puncher’s chance.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Well, given that he’s a hell of a puncher, that’s a pretty good chance. That body shot vs. Cato would have stopped a truck.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 7, 2010 8:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cayo
Damn iPhone autocorrect
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 7, 2010 8:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, a very immobile and easy to hit truck
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
great info/ring p4p
way to keep us informed. a lot to talk about.
This may not go over very well, and for some reason I don’t even really like saying it, but the Ring’s p4p seems to get lazy at times. don’t know if this has any real merit or if it just seems stale with certain guys, not moving up or down as much as i believe they should.
Their P4P is lazy as hell. I mean it just is. I’m not Ring-bashing, but it is.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Might be way off
but I’d like to see Maidana fight some more tough competition first.
who else can he fight at 140?
I’ll spot you Devon Alexander, but after that, he’s clearly become one of the elite in the division and there’s very few people left to fight that would pose a challenge other than Bradley. I’ll enrage some of the UK folks here, but I think he pulverizes Amir Khan, and while I like Paulie Malignaggi, I think he would suffer the same fate as Khan. I’m not sure who else is out there.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda disagree with the Maidana v. Khan/Paulie argument mostly cause I think Paulie’s got a lot more leeway than Khan. It obvious that they both have to implement the Kotelnik gameplan but if Khan screws up and gets caught just once its over. Paulie isn’t the same way since the man has a pretty good set of whiskers. I’m not saying that Paulie can trade with him but if Maidana catches him once its not a KO like it is with Khan.
Khan is not going to fight him.
Paulie, Alexander, rematch Kotelnik, Peterson, (maybe not) Urango.
Talk Guzman into gaining some more weight (he’s good at that). Campbell.
There should be a two or three fight program in those names that makes sense. I like the idea of smart, tough, fading veterans who could make him work and learn.
by Don From Prov on Apr 7, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Khan v. Campbell as a likely matchup after the Paulie fight almost regardless of outcome because Campbell needs someone to fight and both fighters have GBP ties. I would stay far away from Devon Alexander if I were Khan but thats the only person out of that group that I would have qualms with.
Ok then I only like Peterson, Campbell, Guzman (I want to see that cheating SOB get KTFO), and maybe Urango. Khan would be an interesting match but one in which Maidana needs to be out of his comfort zone. I have no idea if he would beat Kotelnik again if they faced off again today. His recent good victories have all come against guys who were willing to trade with him, but what happens when Maidana has to go a-chasing. I have a feeling it doesn’t end well for Marcos….
I have no idea if he would beat Kotelnik again if they faced off again today.
IMO he beat him the first time, and he’s gotten better, so I think he’d beat him in a rematch. Not that I’m saying he was “robbed.” It was a close fight.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I still want to see him in a fight against a guy who is essentially running away from him. Khan would be the perfect matchup but we all know that this would never happen. I would completely agree with you if he could get someone of that style and win against them.
I think Malignaggi would be able to beat Maidana
By a fairly wide decision. He has a very good chin and knows how to keep at distance very effectively, using jabs and straight rights to outbox Maidana.
Perhaps I underrate Maidana a bit but I actually don’t think he is that good. Anyone who can deal with his power or stay away from it beats him handily IMO. Ortiz and Cayo both fought really stupid fights. Bradley would not.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 8, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Again,
that’s why I’d like to see him remtach Kotelnik, deal with the tricks an experienced Campbell might bring, then maybe a Guzman type—
And then Paulie followed by Bradley.
As much chance as he has to develop into someone who can deal with a boxer who has a good chin, well, he will of had that chance.
by Don From Prov on Apr 8, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sad news!
Lorraine Chargin, longtime boxing promoter with her husband Don, passed away Tuesday in a hospital near their Cambria, California coastal home. Lorraine and Don have been a couple since 1957 and wed for 49 years. "I don’t know what I’ll do without my sweet Lorraine," said Don. "I can’t stop looking at her picture. The only comfort I have is knowing that my sweetheart is no longer suffering." Lorraine, 79, had been treated for cancer in recent weeks. Don was inducted into The International Boxing Hall of Fame in 2001 and everyone agreed that Lorraine was unofficially a member of The Hall as well. A memorial service for friends and family will be held in Cambria next Wednesday. She will missed but never forgotten. Rest in peace, Lorraine.
April 7th, 2010
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
Speaking of Roberto Garcia
Yes he is training at the Wild Card Gym right now. I spoke with Shawn Porter yesterday for his upcoming bout on April 16, and he is currently sparring with Garcia in preperation for that fight. Shawn and his father say Garcia is solid, but Shawn has been blowing him up in the ring. From that conversation yesterday and Margarito’s track record, I would say Marga-Cheeto wins this won.
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 7, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Dawson-Pascal
To me Dawson-Pascal has FOY candidate written all over it. Now that the Ring title is attachted to this fight, it could be even better. I know Dawson does not have the most fan friendly style, but he will have to get a lot of work in if he wants to defeat Pascal. To me, this is one of the more elite and even matchups that boxing has offered in a while.
That being said. No way my man ‘Bad’ Chad loses right?
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 7, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
To me Dawson-Pascal has FOY candidate written all over it.
To me, nothing with Dawson has FotY written on it.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 7, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
didn’t you have dawson-johnson in your top 20 of the year?
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Apr 10, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Honourable mentions?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 11, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradley-Maidana
Bradley-Maidana would be amazing. Abregu would be good too, but I think Bradley easily outpoints him. Maidana brings that freakish strength to the table and Bradley has yet to face such a big hitter. Unless you consider Nate Campbell a big hitter, ha ha.
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Apr 7, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
WBC=WTF
Just read on ESPN Dan Rafael’s column that Jose Suliman has sent an E-MAIL to Devon Alexander asking him to relinquish his belt because,…get this, he wants to fight Timothy Bradley. Are you freakin’ kiddin’ me? He will be stripped for wanting to fight the best. Ya’ need to go read it for yourself,….unbelievable!! Peace!!
I can’t say I’m surprised that a “unified titlist” is going to be stripped of one of his belts. It happens basically every time.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 7, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort fo like Casamayor
I think it was Casamayor anyway, who they stripped for entering discussions to unify with Juan Diaz, Of course, he never actually fought Juan Diaz, and he ended up fighting his mandatory (Jose Armando Santa Cruz) next, but they stripped him anyway, because, what the hell, why not. And then they made the fight with his mandatory for the interim belt.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The interim belt of the same belt they had just stripped him of.
Anyway, the WBC’s only rule seems to be “let Sulaiman do whatever the hell he wants”.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
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