Evander Holyfield works out for media. The 47-year-old former world heavyweight champion faces Francois Botha on an Integrated Sports PPV this Saturday night. Say what you will about Evander and this crummy fight, but the man never comes out of shape.
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yep
I’m not the world’s biggest Evander Holyfield fan, and I really wish he’d hang it up, but he works his ass off and always has. Purely as a fighter, he’s really admirable. He might still be among the three best-conditioned heavyweights in the world (among guys who are remotely relevant).
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 6, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How about this?
Here’s a interesting match up.. Hopkins vs Holyfield.. The Executioner vs The Real Deal. Two experienced veterans that know all the tricks. I’m not sure about a pay per view but I know for sure it would be worth watching. This would way better than Hopkins trying to chase David Haye. I would like to see some reporters throw this around after Holyfield fights.
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
Here’s a interesting match up.. Hopkins vs Holyfield
You have a different definition of “interesting” than I do.
I’m not sure about a pay per view
Well, no TV network is going to buy it, so I hope you’re going live.
I know for sure it would be worth watching.
You have a different definition of “worth watching” than I do. One old man headbutting the other and the other old man flopping around like a fish bawling about his balls doesn’t interest me.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
If Peter, Arreola and Solis trained like that...
… well, they’d still probably lose to Vitali and Wlad. But they’d probably do a bit better!
by Verklemptomaniac on Apr 6, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Well. if I had 11 wives and 23 kids plus a motgage on a 55,000 sq ft house, I suppose I’d be in training as well.
by FrankinDallas on Apr 7, 2010 5:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahah-lmao
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Winner.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 7, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
A well conditioned body is no use if the brains controlling it have been turned to scrambled eggs .
The promoters , trainers , lawyers , ticket sellers and everyone else who has anything to do with this fight should be shot . ( No need to shoot the fighters obviously ….they were both “shot” a good while back ).
by Sir Jack Daniels on Apr 7, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Actually, I think Botha might fool a few people here. He has been traing in Newport Beach, CA for years. I hope he kicks Enader’s butt. Like Jones, Toney (and now Hopkins), I am sick of him. He has worn out his welcome.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
Ted - I've got the greatest respect for Holy ...
I really have BUT enough is enough .
He has indeed “worn out his welcome” .
It was worn out a good while back …it’s threadbare now .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Apr 7, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
My issue with him aside from boxing is that he is a tad of a hypocrite around his religion, He preaches one thing and acts like an alley cat. Walk the walk, Evander.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Evander's Just Upholding the Tradition
He’s not the first so called religious man to like chasing tail.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I watched "Malcolm X" about 2 weeks ago.
I know it’s a sympathetic look at the title character, so I tend to take some other stuff with a pinch of salt. Does anyone know how true the stuff the film says about Elijah Muhammad (and his womanising) is?
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Couldn't agree more.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 8, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Botha might fool a few people here
He looked awful in his last fight by all accounts, including his own.
Like Jones, Toney (and now Hopkins), I am sick of him. He has worn out his welcome.
Unlike fresh young contender Francois Botha? :)
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I forgot about him but then, he is quite forgetable.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes SC ….Botha is due the same comments as Holy .
It’s a freak show but at least Holy isn’t fighting a Haye or a Chris A. or a Klits .
I would really fear for his health if he was .
For Holy’s healths sake I’m glad he’s fighting an old buffalo .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Apr 7, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But again, the Buffalo might shock. He works out daily.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I am going to root for Botha just out of spite!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Holyfield is a sure fire bet, even if he's lost a lot since his last fight
I saw Botha’s last fight, and he’s T-O-A-S-T.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The Holyfield who got whooped by Toney would beat this version of Botha.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This reminds me of Coetzee vs. Barkley—or Hill vs LaLonde. At least Duran-Camacho was somewhat competetive.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Coetzee vs. Barkley
was pitiful. I hope that Holy/Botha makes no money.
Yet I say that and then realize I have no idea if they each need the money badly.
And that makes my statement a shitty one. “Just go away” is key, but. …
by Don From Prov on Apr 7, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Botha is in better shape than Holy money-wise, but it’s specualtion at best. Still, living in Newport Beach requires some scratch.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Coetzee vs. Barkley actually had some ebb and flow to it. Coetzee started fast and then gassed at which point Barkley sent him to the Serengeti
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes ugly can be good……….
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, I hate it when a guy ruuins his legacy. That’s why I have preached over the years that a fan should never fall in love with a fighter. They will break your heart every time. There were only so many Holme’s Marciano’s, Jofre’s, Monzon’s, Harrada’s, Finito’s, and Haglers. But way too many Jones’s, Saad’s, Gatti’s, and Holyfields.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Jones is the ultimate one of these for me .
If he’d fkd off into the sunset after Ruiz he would have become a true legend . Boxing folklore kida stuff .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Apr 7, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He is the worse case. At least, Saad was broke and had no choice. Heck, maybe Roy is broke, too. Raing dogs and chickens is not a pathway to $$$$$$$$
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
arrrgh-typo
raising. Glaucoma is a bitch.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No Roy aint broke .
He’s made zillions of $’s with his music rappey type stuff .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Apr 7, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
UGH
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Larry Holmes didn’t hurt his legacy at all? He fought Butterbean.
(Keeping in mind I don’t think what an athlete does in his fading years affects his true legacy, only what people watching right then think.)
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Not on balance. He also beat Mercer.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I get your meaning, I really do, but when does the “true” legacy end and the bad stuff begin? That’s a subjective call. I am one of those (rightly or wrongly) who looks at a boxer’s entire body of work before assessing his legacy. More often than not, the last several fights are ugly and can have a bad impact on an entire career. It’s complicated. Maybe I’ll do a piece on it. When I fought in the armatures, I had a great record for several years until my final year when it turned ugly. Unfortunately, that’s what sticks with me.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that for one fan,
me, Roy’s knockout losses mean something.
Maybe that’s because I never liked him, but he is a fighter who somehow never cemented his legacy, and I believe that haunts him now. Please pay attention FM Jr.
by Don From Prov on Apr 7, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Jones messed things up badly. 5-6 in his last 11. Ugh.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
More often than not, the last several fights are ugly and can have a bad impact on an entire career.
Right, if we accept that a fighter’s final years (or any athlete’s, generally) are generally not good, and nowhere close to their peak, why choose to “punish” them all instead of chalking it up to being something entirely predictable? For a baseball player or whatever, the final years are generally stat-padding. Kirby Puckett was robbed of those years because of his health, so while his counting stats don’t stack up to a lot of guys, he also never went out there and stunk out the joint like a lot of guys did. Ken Griffey is hanging on past his expiration date, Puckett didn’t get to. Would Puckett have done the same? Almost certainly, he would have, but he didn’t get the option.
Should we hold losses to Stan Harrington, Ferd Hernandez, Memo Ayon, Mick Leahy, Terry Downs, Denny Moyer, etc., against Sugar Ray Robinson’s legacy? Sugar Ray is considered by most to be the best P4P fighter in the history of the sport, and rightly so, I’d say. He was washed up by the time he fought those guys. Does Robinson hanging on until he’s 44 make him somehow worse than he really was?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Im in agreement SC
It doesn’t ruin their legacy but more importantly it DOES damage their health . There needs to be a pension fund for fighters . Surely 5 or 10% of all fighters purses can be put in a fund . Groups like the WBC and promoters can surely put a small percentage of their sanctioning fees , earnings etc in a fund . Roys still great in my eyes as is Hopkins but watching Roy is now like watching Ali or Robinson at the end . The tanks empty and its a tragedy in the making . Cheers Blokes
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Except in someone
like Roy’s case it may also show what could have happened if he was faced with some of the harder punching past greats who were around his weight class.
Robinson did not suddenly exhibit what might have been a fatal flaw—
He just got old.
by Don From Prov on Apr 7, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy’s reflexes were what he lived on. He was a physical specimen the likes of which arguably had never been seen in boxing before. When his reflexes went, his game went. Stylistically, Roy was always going to be a guy who crashed hard if he hung on too long, and that’s exactly what happened. He used to talk about not wanting to be one of those guys, but it happens to almost all of them, it seems. I think it’s understated how hard it must be to be 35-40 years old and be told you’re too old to do your job anymore, or in the case of someone like Erik Morales, younger than that.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I don’t disagree with your viewpoint. I just look at it a diffrent and likely in a more minority manner. Entire body of work is what I have always used, because as a writer and hstorian, it gives me a more objective basis on which to make a judgement. That way, I am always consistent when I assess a fighter—-or at least try to be. Like I said , though, the issue is a subjective one at best.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely see your side, too. I understand the desire to look at the entire body of work. After all, picking out the prime years is a case-by-case basis, and then with a guy like Hopkins, he has a VERY productive post-prime to boot, and it’s not like that should be dismissed.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Fair Point Don
I wouldnt even try to suggest Jones was as tough or had as good a beard as Robinson, Prov . But I have seen some other great fighters who didnt have a concrete chin . Joe Louis , Tommy Hearns , Wlad Klitschko , Willie Pep and Bob Foster spring immediately to mind . The only bloke that Roy didnt fight that he should have was Darius Michalczewski . Considering Roy was the marquee draw if that fight had gone ahead its fair to apportion the blame 50-50 as to which fighters fault it was . I will agree that Roy couldn’t adapt his style at all once he lost his speed but at his best he was as hard to beat as anyone that I have seen. From 160 to 168 Jones was as good as anyone thats ever laced em up in my humble . Cheers Blokes.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
by JC40 on Apr 7, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Steve Collins as well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Mostly agreed,
JC40, and I will say straight out that I’m not so good at placing fighters (or myself) in time—you know, “well this one was in temporary retirement when that one reached his prime,” but I don’t think it would have hurt Roy to seek out rematches with Hopkins and Toney, Steve Collins would have been good, Joe Calzaghe (at a better time in their careers), Benn— a few others maybe.
Or I could just have a false perception.
Anyway, some fighters just seem to fall into the right fights at the right time, but it may often be more a matter of seeking those fights than falling into them—fights that secure a legacy. I certainly put Floyd Jr. in a “blew it” category for missing the line-up of Welterweights he had sitting in front of him a few years ago.
by Don From Prov on Apr 8, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And yes,
on the “not great” chins too. But Foster did fine in his own weight division, and while Louis was knocked down with a fair regularity he was only knocked out after a lot of attrition at the hands of Schmeling and a brutal punching Marciano. Hearns’ chin and stamina make him a little less than he might have been, IMO, and I will never consider Wlad truly great because of his chin.
As you know, Roy was KTFO by Tarver—one shot from someone not known as a brutal puncher, and was truly laid out by Johnson—tough but no killer puncher. Therein lie my doubts about him. When folks would talk about Roy at LH against past greats, I’d think Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Bob Foster, and say, “I don’t think so.” At 168 there’s less competition, and I have no argument about his place in the division.
by Don From Prov on Apr 8, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
et tu brute
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a long chapter on pension funds in my first book and finally concluded that if the bxers don’t care, why should anyone else. California has somehting that other states could build on. Establishing a plan would be duck soup. Getting support for it has been the issue. Johnny Lira tried in the 70s to no avail. Simple annuities would be the way to go, but the promoters and others seem to be agianst it for whatever reason. It is a very frustrating issue and would make a good fan post.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Mitchell out of S.A. set the blueprint for how to leave with grace.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
Amen
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That is all.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
For just a photo, this thread sure took off. Love it!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
Boxing fans are way too harsh on Holyfield
I’ve never been a big fan of Evander due to the aforementioned hypocrisy and because the fact that he may literally be insane (and I mean literally — Dude though god told him that he’d KO Lennox in three, remember), but we’ve been way too harsh on him in recent years. Look at his resume since his comeback in 06 after he finally gave himself time to heal.
06 – KO2 over Jeremy Bates
Here he destroyed a club fighter in an easy come back fight. No problems yet.
06 – UD over Fres Oquendo
This was a close fight that could have gone either way, and it went Evander’s way.Oquendo was a couple fights away from being a few minutes away from a title when he fought Ruiz for the WBA strap and was stopped in 11 in an extremely close fight. Since then Oquendo went on to mostly dominate James Toney and proceed to be absolutely robbed. Yet, Toney hasn’t reached the point where his fights cause such outcry for simply happening.
07 – KO3 over Vinny Maddalone
Sure, Maddalone is no world beater and was a step down from Oquendo, but Holyfield destroyed him. Young power punching prospect Denis Boystov couldn’t do that after Holyfield did.
07 – UD over Lou Savarese
This was an odd, unnecessary fight that Holyfield thoroughly dominated, and if memory serves me correctly, even entertained in.
07 – UD loss to Sultan Ibragimov
This was a bad loss, a 9-3, 10-2, or 11-1 type fight, yes. Ibragimov fought his safety first, snooze inducing style that he developed after the draw with Austin to keep Holyfield away. He basically used his youth compared to the old man. Ibragimov won the title hideously with this style against Briggs even more easily, and would lose it and retire against Wlad in one of the worst fights in recent years. Though it won him the rounds, Ibragimov didn’t really beat up old man Holy and only hurt him briefly with well placed body shot late in the fight. It wasn’t a good fight and it showed his age, but what in it screamed that this was a man that shouldn’t be fighting?
08 – MD loss to Nikolay Valuev
This fight rotted, but what Valuev fight doesn’t? I thought Holyfield won it relatively easy sans a couple middle rounds where Valuev found his jab. I remember having it either 8-4 or 9-3. The decision was a joke. Since then Valuev defended against Haye and I scored that fight a draw. Haye fighht the same style that supposedly proved Holyfield too old to matter, and to be frank, did worse with it except for the one damaging left hook in the twelth.
To summarize: Since Holyfield’s disastrous fall and he took the almost two years off to heal, he has dominated a journeyman, beaten a decent fighter, destroyed a fighter that Boystov couldn’t get out of there, beat another old fighter, had a really bad outing against a better athlete who just didn’t really want to fight, and did better against Valuev than Haye did. What is wrong with that?
Fans are selfish in a way with this sort of thing. Holyfield clearly isn’t what he was, so people want him to hang it up because it upsets them to see the faded version of him. Yet, this isn’t Roy Jones or even Erik Morales. Holyfield has been perfectly competitive. If he was a younger, less well known fighter with the same resume, he’d be a fringe contender. However, he isn’t, and people seem offended at the idea of him fighting. I just don’t really get it.
by jcarr71 on Apr 7, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Good post
Interesting take.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Apr 7, 2010 8:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I respect your post and your effort.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the point is the fans are supposedly caring about the fighter, whom they have loved and supported all through his years especially his prime, and his health. But if they pass the physical and other necessary tests required (and I know that whether it’s sufficient or not is an issue), then it’s in their right to fight. Like the photo above, it suggests that Holyfield always comes in shape, and if he’s taking care of himself, and what actually performing somewhat competitively, why should we have something against that? I know what you don’t get and your effort in explaining it enlightened me. There’s a possibility that Holyfield could get hurt but it won’t likely be in this fight against another oldie. He needs the money too, so… Just my dime…
This is how I see it, too.
I’d like to see Evander make the decision that he wants to get out, and I’d like him to make that decision soon. However, I’ll continue to be a fan until he makes that decision. It takes an amazing amount of bravery to lace up and get in there, and I fully respect those who choose to, and are able to.
On a slightly unrelated note: I hate boxers being booed when they enter the ring. I was there for the Haye fight at the weekend, and the booing was hideous. Bazzlad was there too, and he asked me if I planned to boo Ruiz. “Not on your life,” I said. “Every single fighter who gets through those ropes deserves respect. I might not cheer him when he makes his entrance, but I damn sure won’t be booing him.”
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
But like I said, I don’t respect Evander’s hypocrisy.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 7, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
uh, gonna try something
unbold?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
it did it above too
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 7, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy will keep going until someone knocks him out, and then will stagger on until a second guy knocks him out. He’s too old to learn another trade. It’s not a disgrace or anything, it just is what it is. He’s not shaking hands outside Ceasar’s Palace. He’s a fighter and a guy who is deeply in debt. He is more burnt than Joe Louis was in his last fight by 4000 degrees, but no one is going to match him with a Marciano or anything. If he wants to dance with fellow seniors like Botha, I’m not going to hold it against him. I’m not buying the fight, but it doesn’t change anything he did before.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Apr 7, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't
know that a stoppage will even do it. If so, Toney might have given him the hint he needed.
by Don From Prov on Apr 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If Holy and Hopkins want to go skull-to-skull like a couple of bucks on the shady side of a hill, I’m not going to hold it against them either. It’s not a meaningful fight, but I might be tempted to buy it. Like Ted says, your not supposed to fall in love with a fighter, but when you are a lifelong fan sometimes you can’t help but want to see certain guys get in the ring. Hop won a paying fan for life three weeks after 9-11, when the army line sealed me off from my job and smoking ruin was the backdrop every day when I woke up. As far as I’m concerned, Hopkins-Trinidad paid for Hopkins-Calzaghe, Hopkins-Jones, Hopkins-Holyfield and Hopkins-Whoever. Sad but true.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Apr 7, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A lot of bold assertions in this thread.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Apr 8, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We are bold asserters!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 8, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
Going by that picture:
If they ever decide to remake Diggstown, then they’ve got the perfect guy to replace Louis Gossett Jr….
I still don’t know how to put up pics, so if someone could oblige… :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
The little tree thing in the comment or comment reply box. It goes:
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Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
OK, I fixed the bold thing
Had to delete a couple comments to do it. If you use bold tags or italics tags, please remember to close them at the end of your post.
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