The full fifth episode of Showtime's Fight Camp 360.
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You know, I love 24/7 - but this show is so much more compelling.
The fact that they aren’t all superstars, that they don’t all live in Vegas with enormous mansions, and that we actually get to see the real things about being a boxer; the day before the fight, heck the fight itself, is what makes this show so much more interesting to watch. Can’t wait for Froch-Kessler now: I genuinely can’t see a way that the fight doesn’t end up wildly entertaining.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
Fight camp 360 is a documentary, as true to the subject matter as possible. 24/7 is more like a show. There’s a lot of choreography going on there but I still like it.
Absolutely – 24/7 is basically really elaborate promotion for the biggest fights. But I still think Fight Camp is much more compelling viewing, even though 24/7 is always enjoyable.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 9, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but c'mon.
The production values on 24/7 are out of sight. The music, Liev “voice of god” Schreiber, the expertly cut montages …
Besides, I don’t have to turn on the TV to see people who aren’t superstars not live in Vegas mansions. I get that everyday. I watching boxing for and because the superstars.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Schreiber’s voiceover voice is like pure hype personified.
It seems totally different from the voice he uses in his acting.
That's what my brother says.
Doesn’t even sound like the same guy. Whatever. Works for me. Sounds like the voice he used in Wolverine and RKO 281. He adjusts the voice for the role. It’s called acting, I guess.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It's still a great voice over
Both 24/7 and this are primarily ways of hyping the fights and fighters. They also both have rather seperate formats and focus on different things. I think I prefer this as 24/7 is really lacking originality these days.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What of the above reads facetiously to you?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Liev "voice of god" Schreiber, the expertly cut montages …
Isn’t that taking things a bit too far?
I watching boxing for and because the superstars.
Fights, not TMZ.
Which is taking things a bit too far? Schreiber has a great voice for narration. That’s why he gets a lot of narration jobs. “Voice of god” is how they used to refer to the guy who did voiceovers for NFL Films. You can learn more here.
The montages are expertly cut. I know because 24/7 has won Emmys for editing. You can learn more here.
Superstars like Pacquiao, Mayweather, and DLH are part of the reason I watch boxing. I thought they were part of the reason we all watched boxing.
In closing, I don’t want to say you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, but what choice have you left me?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s got a great voice, yeah, but – you watch boxing for and because the superstars? What’s that all about?
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 9, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh ...
My favorite fighters are Mickey Ward and Randall Bailey, so I can appreciate some grit and workmanlike approaches at times. But at the end of the day, don’t we want to see the best fight the best? I would rather see Sugar fight Floyd then two lawyers go at it in a white-collar boxing sparring match. I watch for the skill and to see who the best is. I watch for the superstars. I got plenty of schlubs living in my neighborhood, me included. Nobody pays to watch me when I hit the bag in my garage. Hell, I leave the garage door open on hot days and I can’t get anybody to watch for free.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
You paint a pretty good picture….
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Okay, I get what you're saying...
But I don’t watch boxing merely to see superstars fight other superstars? There’s so much more to the sport than seeing a superstar showdown, and I can tell you I’d lean toward seeing a really good fight (see Moore-Rhodes, for example) over seeing a dull 12 round exhibition (see Pacquiao-Clottey) any day of the week.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 9, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I guess what I should say is “The superstars are one of the reasons I watch boxing.”
Hey, I love Fight Camp 360. Fucking love it. We are spoiled that we get to argue which is better between 360 and 24/7 because they are both good. It’s like picking your favorite kid.
Conversely, the UFC’s attempt, called “Primetime,” blows goats.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, ditto all of that.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 9, 2010 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would rather see Sugar fight Floyd then two lawyers go at
“than” not “then,” of course. How embarrassing.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
A lawyer would have caught that mistake
;-)
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Maybe not after sufficient shots to the head, though.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So the lawyers’ fight would be the main event?
by taco pal on Apr 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
Well played. Can always go for some grammar humor.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Can the lawyers be Arum and lcollins?
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Naw, get Lawrence Cole in there. He can file his nails or yell at Bobby the Brain Heenan while lcollins dishes out some tex-mex to Arum’s nether regions.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
man I’m starving right now. I could go for some tex mex.
I ate a small portion of one of these last night:
From this PLACE
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
did he hurt him? Did he get a KD? – That’s your evidence. I don’t care if he was recovered when he got KO’d on the floor, there was “evidence” that it COULD happen, cuz it already did.
No one is saying that it was a locked down guarantee, counselor. Were talking about what COULD have happened.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Steve Smoger FTW
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I had no idea Smoger was a lawyer too. I just found this NYT article from 1988 about how he once prosecuted a quadriplegic street musician.
His day job is as a judge in Atlantic City
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
like a judge in a court
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
c’mon – let’s get Bricky in there – and I’m not qualified as part of that oh so honorable class…yet.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I wouldn't be able to stand negotiating with Arum on the other side of the table
I can’t stand it when someone just plain isn’t reasonable, and he has his fair share of those moments.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Apr 9, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a great show, maybe the best yet
A few things I noticed.
Horrible foul aside, Abraham really is a funny and seemingly nice guy. I know this hardly redeems him so it becomes odd watching him partake in casual, witty banter, and then smashing Dirrell’s face as he’s kneeling on the canvas.
I expected one of Dirrell’s team to grab the camera and shout “I am a stereotype” any second. Entertaining people nonetheless.
Gary Shaw is such an ass. Even when I agree with him he’s such an ass.
I am beggining to think that the Showtime announcing team are by far the best in the world. Al Bernstein is great.
It was nice watching Green and Ward getting behind Dirrell at the fight. There seems to be a genuine cameraderie of sorts between them, especially between Ward and DIrrell.
I have semi-defended Cole’s refereeing in the past, I won’t be doing that agin!
There’s just no way that was acting from Dirrell. I have a few friends who are proffesional actors and if they could improvise like that they would be very happy people.
Good to see that Kessler is still well motivated.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
Agreed about Gary Shaw - when he started shouting at Mick Hennessey, it was just unbelievable.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 9, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Ward and Dirrell are really close friends
It will be interesting when the two have to fight each other. I mean, it’s happened before, but especially with this format, if Ward already has his second round ticket locked up and Dirrell needs a win to make it through, then I’ll have to wonder whether Ward might hold back just a little.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Although Dirrell might actually might end up in a better position if he doesn't make it through
Based on what he’s done so far, if he loses a close one to Ward, he’s probably still a top 5 SMW. I suspect HBO would pay a lot of money for a Bute-Dirrell fight, which would become possible if Dirrell gets knocked out.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If Ward was going to give Dirrell a bit of an easy ride then for a victory, are you saying you reckon this tournament takes away the stigma of an unbeaten record?
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Good question....
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I don't think he'll throw the fight or anything
Just that he might not resort to dirty tactics and the like, which he’s normally not above doing. He’s not going to want to lose his belt either.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It will be interesting when the two have to fight each other.
Isn’t that the scheduled third fight for both in the round robin? Thought it was.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
"I expected one of Dirrell’s team to grab the camera and shout "I am a stereotype" any second. Entertaining people nonetheless."
I lol’d. Good work, DC…. :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
:-)
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and
Thanks for posting this here Brick so we can chat about it.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
Multiple comments
But I had to laugh when I saw where Froch was training. I’ve fenced there a good few times, lovely venue.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
a couple things
I was a little disappointed at the lack of depth in the after-fight coverage. We never really learned what happened to Dirrell and it seemed like he came out on the same night and walking by himself and everything, so did he have a concussion? It didn’t seem like it.
While I do acknowledge that Abraham deserved to be disqualified, after having seen this fight camp I totally believe he got confused and it was not on purpose. The slowmo replay makes it seem like he thinks about it and then decides to hit Dirrell, but when you actually see the sequence you notice that it happens a split second later and it might’ve looked to Abraham as if Dirrell was crouching.
It was also good to finally see Abraham wish Dirrell well. I think his post comment fights were out of frustration because he honestly did not think he deserved to be disqualified.
by RJFO on Apr 9, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
It's a concussion
It’s been confirmed in media reports afterwards. It’s not like someone can’t walk after suffering a concussion. Plenty of guys have suffered concussions and had aftereffects for YEARS, but were able to walk around and act like normal a few minutes after the concussion (Johnny Damon’s collission in centerfield back when he was with the Red Sox immediately comes to mind).
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I have nothing against men crying
It’s a perfectly natrual emotional response and doesn’t show any kind of weakness or unmanliness.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not ‘gets to me’ like it is somehow angering or makes me think less of him, more like ‘gets to me’ like makes me get a little teary eyed too.
Particularly when he apologizes to Shaw and when he wants to keep going.
Ah yeah
That was a really sad thing to see.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate this show. This is my 2nd episode watching. IMO this doesn’t work in a way 24/7 DOES work. I didn’t need a 15 min. video montage of the dirrell fight. I saw it. What’s the point in calling it FIGHT CAMP 360 if there is no footage of the fighters? BTW- I could care less about Gary Shaw and Sauderland. Keep the promoters out of the show. They’re boring, they’re out of shape, they lack charisma. Keep it focused on the fighters man! I remembger episode one was all about interviewing the promoters about how unusual this event was. Who cares! get the fighters! pc! and the voice of god is better than no voice! Holler!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I disagree on the promoters part
What other opportunity do you have to see the negotiations and jockeying that takes place behind the scenes? Maybe it’s just because I negotiate for a living, but I actually think that’s the most interesting part.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Agreed, I love watching the trouble Shaw causes while Mick Hennessey and, for the most part, the Sauerlands just sit there quite happy with themselves.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Apr 9, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
An interesting look into some of the most powerful men running the sport.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on promoters
Those guys are asses. I’m embarrassed for the sport when they’re on screen acting like petulant children.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dirrell was in deep shit in the last two rounds. Goddam I wanted to see the end of that.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I think everyone is potentially in deep shit in the final two rounds with Abraham. That’s when his Terminator vision kicks in, and all the circuits light up. For the first six he literally doesn’t do anything except let you tire yourself out on his gloves, then turns into a stalker-killer.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
It takes that long for people to hit him enough times to make him mad.....
Maybe the strategy is to outwork him in the first, then just don’t hit him any more, resulting in him not hitting you either, and eking out a 120-119 win on the cards…..
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Where does this “Dirrell was in deep shit” notion come from? He got tagged in the tenth, but clearly recovered from that at the start of the 11th. He was running around a little more but thats cause he had a huge lead. Dirrell was clearly winning the 11th when the foul happened, and “the Terminator” landed a grand total of 1 jab. Does the show make it look like Arthur was gaining momentum? Of course, its better TV and its always good not to demonize the fighters. In the 11th round the only person looking for a way out of the fight was Arthur Abraham.
Agreed Waldo
Dirrell was having little difficulty in staying away from Abraham and could have “ran” for the last two rounds, lost them both, and still won by a wide margin.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dirrell was starting to slow down
I don’t think Abraham was particularly close to getting the knockout, but there would have been great suspense for the last round and a half.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
uhh – it comes from him getting hurt, KD’d (regardless of what Cole says that was a KD), and him looking dangerously gassed in between 10 and 11. He was in trouble, no doubt.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
He was fresher than AA in the 11th! He was winning the round easily. He head-faked AA into throwing punches in the 11th. Dirrell was fine and showed no ill effects from that KD by the start of the next round much like AA earlier in fight. AA was nowhere close to catching Dirrell especially now that he had gotten on the bicycle. I would agree with you if AA had come anywhere close to getting range on Dirrell in the 11th but he didn’t.
They also acknowledge that they didn’t want the Taylor shit to happen agian… realizing that Abraham comes on late.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
That was Andre’s wife and her girlfriend saying that: “That’s how he do.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Got to love the 5th grade vocabulary.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Abraham can blast in the final frame. Doesn’t mean he would have done so to Dirrell, but he surely could have.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He certainly could have
But I think there was only about a 10% chance that Direll didn’t take the fight if the foul had not happened.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
AA can blast in every round, but there was no evidence that he could get a KO, while there were 10+ rounds of evidence that he could not.
did he hurt him? Did he get a KD? – That’s your evidence. I don’t care if he was recovered when he got KO’d on the floor, there was “evidence” that it COULD happen, cuz it already did.
No one is saying that it was a locked down guarantee, counselor. Were talking about what COULD have happened.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
To be fair
People were saying that it was likely, and other people were saying that it wasn’t. I don’t recall anyone saying he distinctly would or wouldn’t.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
there was no evidence that he could get a KO
That…pretty…much…says…“distincly wouldn’t”.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I really don't want to fight/argue about this...
He was referring to the fact that, based on the 10 rounds where Dirrell had effectively stayed away from Abraham’s power, he doesn’t think that there was any reason to believe that things would change in the last two rounds.
It isn’t exactly important though.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I just checked my Predict Impossible Shit-O-Meter, and it spat back 56.7889% chance that Dirrell would’ve gotten clonked in the 12th round. Magical calculators don’t lie, man.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
DC has it 10%, I had it 5%. Why does this seem so difficult? Also we are saying that the not KD was a KD meaning that if AA’s foot was not there, Dirrell would have gone done anyway, so we have already started down the predicting slide.
You’re right. I just fed these numbers into the Magical Calculator, and it tells me that Dirrell had "a 7.5% chance of getting clonked, according to two guys."
However, when I added my 56.7889% and tried again, it said Dirrell had "a 32.14445% chance of getting clonked, according to three guys."
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
You are, by far, the funniest poster I’ve ever read, on any site, ever.
I love you almost as much as I love David Tua, and I’ve never even seen you throw a malefic left hook!!
I can’t really praise you much more than that. :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
My magical snark detector is off the charts too. But I am actual serious I do want to know your opinion.
I don’t know about percentages or whatnot. The fight to me looked like Dirrell was definitely a frustrating target for AA. The closing moments of the fight right before the slip are interesting to me. AA kept trying to drive and trap Dirrell into the corner, and Andre was escaping well up until that final exchange. He kept the action as close to center ring as he could, backing AA off with a 1-2 whenever it seemed like he was going to cut off.
Dirrell made a mistake there, shifting to his right at the ropes and leaving himself very little room to escape the corner. He had done this much better earlier in the fight, letting Abraham drive him towards the corner and then escaping that sweeping left hand of his (Toro!). But there in the 11th that move looked a good couple of feet too deep into the corner. This was I think the source of most of the frustration for Abraham in that moment. If you watch the film he popped Dirrell with a hard jab that snapped Andre’s head back just as Andre was slipping, basically simultaneously. I think Abraham might have had him trapped if it weren’t for that slip. At the very least he thought he had him trapped, and probably thought he was going to get cheated out of another KD because he had landed the jab.
Anyway, if Abraham was going to finish it, it probably would’ve been off a mistake like that. Andre was playing with fire every time he swung to the corner, and that last time it did not look good at all. If he didn’t slip, he might have been in trouble there.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
see that Chaos? – Just when we’re talking about what a comedian this guy is, he goes and gets all ‘serious face’ on us.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
by lcollins1 on Apr 9, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But I mean, those Toro moments throughout the fight, there were a few chillers in there, with Abraham missing by less then an inch sometimes. I remember seeing one that grazed the tip of Andre’s nose. I was thinking “whoa, be careful there buddy!” He could no doubt feel the wind off a few of them. It was great to watch but I also thought he was playing with fire. Andre was much less exciting when he kept the action in the center and kept AA honest with a few punches, and by “less exciting” I mean “less likely to get frozen stiff by a left hook.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Terrible, I call it.
I’m doing an REM and losing my religion….
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I don’t remember a jab there but I’ll look at the final round again. I thought he slipped because he was trying to plant his right foot and move to his left to avoid an AA hook (definite Toro/Olé moment). Thought that Dirrell could keep it up cause AA was getting desperate and telegraphing his punches.
I don’t remember a jab there but I’ll look at the final round again.
Okay, well in the above video, you can see it at “15:13” pretty good. Arthur was executing a 1-1-4… half of the last one and the full four-ish/six-ish came when Dirrell was helpless on the ground. I am just saying, compare his distance to the corner the the other half dozen times this played out in the fight. Andre was too deep in that corner that time, and AA knew it I think. He was frustrated as hell partly because he thought he’d finally caught him there. It was a a cheap shot, but I’ve forgiven his ass already. Shit happens in the moment. He probably wishes he could take it back, but he probably also wishes Andre didn’t slip too.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Okay, well in the above video, you can see it at "15:13"
Actually you can see it better in slow-mo at “15:44.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Alright got it. Looked, at least to me, like more of a pushing jab just to get/corral Dirrell into the corner. Dirrell could have ducked under the hook or just kept going around the ring, but this is employing my magic calculator/hot tub time machine. I just see him getting out of that…
by Waldo Rastel on Apr 9, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
For me, about a 25% chance
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
about 30% – I thought he was in some shit.
But the point of Jrok’s hilarious satire is also important. Are we gonna average these or what?
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Man
Where can I get one of those things?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Apr 9, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Evidence that he could get the KO
Jermain Taylor
Khoren Gevor
Elvin Ayala
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Apr 9, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m a little bit suprised,but definitely disappointed to see that Abraham’s team has filed a protest against the DQ decision.
My respect for him continues to decline.
Eh, it's something rote the promoters do
It doesn’t really bother me. And at this point, I’m over the whole acting comment. A lot of people say a lot of stupid things they don’t really mean in the heat of the moment, and it’s not like he kept repeating the comment afterwards.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Right, it wasn’t Kermit Cintron who will still tell you Sergio Martinez headbutted him despite the most conclusive replays in the history of sport.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I don’t think this is the article I was thinking of, as it looks pretty recent, but he says the same thing in here.
Regarding his controversial draw with Sergio Martinez:
"It was a hard fight for both fighters. He had dropped me in the seventh round. You know, I’m in the fight, I’m not outside looking in the ring—I was in the fight and I felt like I got hit with a head butt, that’s how hard I got hit. But it was a great punch and I went down. I saw the replays a couple of time, and I stood up at the nine count, and the bell rang and I was saved by the bell."
ok, good
I read something about a month or two after, some interview with him, and he was still holding on to the headbutt thing. Maybe he just hadn’t bothered watching it yet. I mean I didn’t think he was stupid, just possibly crazy.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
It was revealing to see Dirrell’s wife scream “coward” at Abraham, and then hear Dirrell say he is not a coward (thinking the comment was directed at him) and that he wants to continue fighting. Bonus points for Dirrell in my book.
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