Role Reversal - Pacquaio the villain and Mayweather Jr. the hero? What a difference a year makes

Josh was in the prime of his career, and is a guy that PBF has basically ducked. (which is a good thing, as PBF-Clottey would be one of the most boring fights of all time).

I’ll also add that nobody on earth has never demanded Mayweather-Clottey, so I can’t say Mayweather ducked him. Who wants it? Plus, Clottey was like fourth in line even by totally fair, boxing results only measures.

and why is he doing it, Brick? – I mean he made Mosley do all that bullshit, and they signed the two year suspension contract. What’s the point? Well, I think he’s got three main factors playing in his head that convince him “I want blood testing”:

1. PEDs substantially help boxing performance
2. Manny Pacquiao may be on PEDs
3. Boxing’s current PED testing is nonexistent

Are either of those clearly false? – Hell no, and the first and third are clearly true. So I do give him some credit. It’s self-serving, but he’s trying to ensure an equal playing field. How anyone can criticize him for that just wreaks of personal dislike. And I personally dislike Floyd, but not enough to bitch at him about this one. This is a total ‘win’ for boxing, bottom line.

Here’s the bottom line – boxing’s drug testing is a donkey show. It is literally a mexican donkey show – that’s how bad it is. Floyd, in a tiny percentage of fights (only his own), is elevating the testing levels to near Olympic level, the highest level of drug testing in any pro sport. That’s bad?

Whatever his reasons for demanding it, it is good for the sport. Second, he cannot impose stipulations on contracts to which he is not a party. He could express a desire to have it, but the two fighters and their promoters/managers do not have to agree since he is not in privity of contract with those parties. Moreover, his (Mayweather’s) opponent may be willing to agree to the WADA testing, but would not want other unrelated parties have essentially a veto right on their contract.

Best solution is for Nevada to lead the way and adopt WADA testing.

He got hit hard, he took it and didn’t run, he came after Mosley.

What I remember happening is Mayweather getting rocked, and then clinging to Mosley like a static-charged shirt while the ref didn’t do anything about it. After the round was over, he changed his style (slightly!) and Mosley quit fighting, resulting in a dominating one-sided victory for Floyd.

Well-earned though his victory may be, let’s not paint him to be Rocky out there or something. He did take some shots, and he did recover well. But he got a not-unreasonable amount of help from the ref, and took a time-out to regain his composure before changing things up.

Even Floyd’s biggest haters won’t accuse the guy of being stupid or weak-willed.

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Our policy is consistent with the law. What’s the issue here? (I’m honestly asking.)

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he agreed to a $10 million penalty if he was over the weight limit.

This is so completely irrelevant that I wish people would stop citing it as an example of Mayweather’s willingness to deal. Mayweather IS NOT going to weigh in over 147 pounds. They could make the penalty 20 trillion Mars bars and it wouldn’t make any difference. It’s a totally pointless thing to agree to.

But I would also point out the huge fight-night weight disparity which was involved. This certainly added a significant degree of challenge for Pacquiao, making Clottey more credible as an opponent.
Additionally, Clottey arguably beat Cotto, and at least came very close to it. With this in mind, why is Cotto acceptable, but not Clottey?

Finally, several analysts suggested that Clottey would be the hardest fight of Pacquiao’s career, based on his percieved strength, and undeniable weight, advantages. The Boxing Bulletin actually published a very good article on just this, which I feel is very useful for examining Clottey’s credibility as a matchup.

It’s completely horrible when your sport gets new fans. I mean, particularly when they care about steroid testing. I think puerile is really the perfect word to describe the entire issue of PED’s, honestly. Boxing was way better in the old days.

That’s what I saw too.

On that Marquez payout your correct, but thp0344 makes a good point when he states that Pac’s camp demanded $10million if Floyd came in over 147. I agree it was never going to happen but anyhow an agreement was made for a simply and unusual request.

There is a big difference between agreeing to an increased penalty for breaking the terms of a contract, and inserting more terms into said contract.

Why would Pac avoid doing something which is inherently good for the sport?

Why should Pacquaio bow to demands made by his opponent?

Floyd Mayweather is NOT a boxing commission, he is NOT a governing body, he is NOT a rulemaker in any way, shape or form. Boxers should not be at liberty to make up their own rules, no matter how ‘honorable’ those rules seem afterwards.

Manny wasn’t ‘wrong’ to want to adhere to the rules in place, the accepted standards, the procedures and techniques that have been in place for years and that he is familiar with.

Regarding Mosley’s belt. Floyd could simply have vacated the belt afterwards if he wanted to, especially if he is targeting 160. He wasn’t interested in the belt so didn’t pay the sanctioning fee imo. Who exactly would he be ducking if he won that belt?

Why on earth would you expect Floyd Mayweather to pay a large sanctioning fee to attain a piece of decorative leather if he only planned to vacate it afterwards? I’m beginning to doubt your sanity, to be honest.

Floyd makes a request for random blood tests,an unusual request but not one that anyone should have a problem with

Except of course, if you have a problem with it. If you ask me to drink a neat Scotch, and I refuse because I don’t like the stuff, that doesn’t make me ‘wrong’ in the eventuality that no-one else in the room would mind a sip. The only people that have a problem with something are the people that, (you guessed it!!) have a problem with it. Just because from your point of view it’s all ok and dandy doesn’t mean he should simply accede to it.

This was a simple thing like ring or glove size

Ring/glove size are negotiated or stipulated for every fight. In the eventuality that glove size isn’t pre-agreed, the practice is to simply revert to traditional and conventional gloves. Since the drug testing issue wasn’t pre-agreed, shouldn’t Floyd have adhered to the drug-testing procedures already in place, that had been good enough for every other fight in his career?

random blood testing is a good thing on the whole.

In your opinion. Sanity isn’t statistical, despite the efforts of the tabloids to teach us so. In your opinion, blood testing is a good thing; In Manny Pacquaio’s it weakens him. Since Manny Pacquiao doesn’t give a flying fig about your opinion, and only his opinion and his sensibilities count when making his mind up on things, it doesn’t really matter whether you think blood testing is a good thing. Different people, different beliefs, different superstitions, different conclusions.

Fair enough it isn’t a regulation but rationally it is a good suggestion no?

So is restricting all cars to do no more than 60 miles per hour, if purely done for safety purposes. Or, dare I say it, banning boxing altogether since the aim of the sport is to physically hurt another man. Not all rational suggestions are justifiable in the grander scheme of things. Floyd Mayweather dictating terms to another fighter is what is unacceptable to me. If the powers that be had demanded it and THEN Pacquiao turned it down, then I’d agree with you.

It hasn’t been presented as obeying the demands of his opponent, rather it has been portrayed as a rejection of improved testing.

According to whom? I suppose I’m imagining the personal slurs on Manny Pacquiao made by Floyd Jr, Floyd Sr and Roger Mayweather, am I? This originated as an attack on Pacquaio, and Floyd then attempted to make it more PC by turning it into a ’let’s clean up the sport’ initiative.

As for the insertion and penalties for contract. No contract has been signed yet so it isn’t an insertion on an existing contract. It is setting up the conditions for which a contract can be signed.

Terms of contract: Gloves, ring, location, weight etc.
Financial penalties for breach of contract: Agreed figure for non-compliance to agreed terms.

Floyd agreeing a figure for coming in overweight is NOT justification for attempting to add new terms into the body of the contract.

I’m never going to forgive him or Bob Arum. Period.

He will be remembered terribly if that happens.

Maybe someone has shot Koncz, or Arum’s phone is broken so he can’t spew crap to Manny.

If you get in any trouble.