Mayweather wears out Mosley, dominates in Vegas
Floyd Mayweather Jr. was able to overcome an early charge by "Sugar" Shane Mosley and dominate the vast majority of the fight tonight on HBO pay-per-view, staying undefeated and winning a wide unanimous decision on scores of 119-109 (twice) and 118-110. Bad Left Hook scored it 119-109 for Mayweather.
Mayweather (41-0, 25 KO) was shaken up hard in the second round by Mosley (46-6, 39 KO). I felt Mosley's second round was the best round anyone has ever had against Mayweather, but starting in round three, Mayweather adjusted beautifully and progressively beat Mosley up badly over the next 10 rounds. Mayweather fought in a more offensively aggressive style than usual, and picked Mosley apart with left hooks and right crosses. It was a master performance by Mayweather.
I do not blame age. I do not blame anything. As I expected, Mayweather was simply too good for Mosley. When people said he was as fast as Mayweather, I thought that was crazy. Shane was nowhere near fast enough for Floyd. It wasn't even close.
I expect a lot of knee-jerk reactions saying Mosley should retire. Maybe he should. If he's comfortable and wants to, he should. If he wants to fight on, a bad loss to arguably the best fighter in the world today is not enough for me to say he should hang it up. Mayweather would have done the exact same thing to, say, Andre Berto. It wouldn't make me believe Berto should quit. Mosley is much older than Andre, of course, but if Mosley still feels he can fight, there are good fights out there. Maybe revisit the Berto bout, in fact.
We'll have much more tomorrow on this fight, but for now all I can say is congratulations to Floyd Mayweather Jr. for one of his best performances ever -- maybe the best of his career. He overcame early adversity and took it to Shane Mosley.
Undercard Results: Said Ouali stopped Hector David Saldivia in a one-round shootout ... Daniel Ponce de Leon decisioned Cornelius Lock over 10. Scores were 96-94, 96-94 and 97-93. We scored it 97-93 for Ponce de Leon ... Saul Alvarez was hurt in the first round by Jose Miguel Cotto, but knocked Cotto down in the second and dominated until a ninth round stoppage.
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The last few fights have made a lot of people forget how great a puncher Floyd is.
Mosley got tagged with some damn good shots.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
First two rounds Mosley looked on point...
Then he Fell apart.
wasn't so much fell apart
Floyd ajusted and took him apart clinically
by Sweet science on May 2, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
Mosley failed to continue forward after round two. For whatever reason, he quit even attempting to implement the gameplan that was working in R1, R2.
Mayweather didn’t do anything drastic between R2 and R3. He adjusted somewhat, sure. But changing from a defensive to an offensive gameplan doesn’t stop the other fighter’s attemtping to implement an offensive gameplan.
Much respect for Mayweather’s skills. But in my opinion, Mosley quit way before he should have. Disappointed somewhat in Shane, but he’s 38 and his legacy’s already cemented. Gotta think a younger, hungrier Mosley wouldn’t have bailed in the 3rd.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I feel sort of the same way
Mosley looked like he was doing a good job early of alternating his jab between the head and body, then waiting to land the big right hand. Round 3 and on he seemed to abandon the jab altogether, perhaps because of fear of PBF’s right.
Thanks again for the great coverage!
You boxing guys should check out UFC 113 next weekend!
113 should be great
I’d be curious to see what the boxing community thinks of Machida Shogun II.
Did anyone here catch their first fight?
saw it
as much as i wanted machida to win, shogun got robbed
Shogun got robbed and then had to wait months more to fight instead of cashing in another payday
Not afraid to nitpick
Leg kicks don't win fights!!!!
Just ask Faber….
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lol
machida looked surprised when he got the decision
Yeah, I should have clarified
I meant the level of striking and the differences in techniques when you need to account for more varied attacks. I think the entire combat sports world knew the decision was bullshit, but at least Rua got a nice bonus and immediate rematch.
Please do!
I think you guys might be impressed by Machida Karate.
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
-Lao Tzu
Or Daley knocking Koscheck into another dimension.
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Please, sir.
Don’t ask boxing fans to watch Josh fucking Koscheck’s ridiculous punching.
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That's what Daley is here for. To shut him up.
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many of us will indeed
It’s a good looking show. I usually watch UFCs after, because so many go head-to-head with boxing. I catch more WEC live than I do UFC.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
From what I read, it was a solid fight.
It went from a Great fight to a Good Fight and ended up being a one-sided butt-whooping.
I really hope Shane tries one more fight. If I were him, I would not want to go out like this.
mayweather is extremely skilled, sweet science indeed. but way too defensive for me.
they need to change the system. or something. i know it ain’t gonna happen but…
i don’t believe fighters should have a choice of who to fight, organizations should unify without all these ridiculous conditions and the best fighters should fight the best fighters regardless(in their weight classes of course).
MMA FAN HERE. Is this A Noob fight suggestion?
I would personally love to see Mayweather move up and fight Paul Williams. He has proven his point, no one can touch him at this weight (outside of Pacman possibly). I know as a casual boxing fan this is the last time I order a Mayweather squash match. Call me crazy but if I am only gettng 1 fight for $60 I want some drama in it.
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no – definitely been suggested. Kind of a dream match-up. Floyd would say “not enough money in it”, but it would be a dangerous fight for him.
Paul says he can still make 147, who knows if he actually could.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
If Paul wants to go down in weight and take a crack at PBF,
I say let him do it.
Would be a more competitive fight than what happened tonight.
That's a horrifying idea.
He’s got to fight Pac-man.
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its Pac and retirement if mayweather wins
by sillycaboose on May 2, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish Pac would just do the test
So he can handle Mayweather………
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by realisticoptimist on May 2, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see it
But Mayweather doesn’t have those kind of balls, and Williams isn’t even close to being a draw.
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Why isnt a guy like Williams a draw? Every time I have seen him fight I thought he was exciting and very talented?
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They have the same manager. I doubt he would want to ruin either guy especially when Paul ahsn’t been at WW in 3 yrs
Same Manager? whoa.
That could be a problem. Can you say “conflict of interest”? lol.
No they don't
Leonard Ellerbe is Floyd’s manager.
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In Brickhaus I trust.
Sorry, gunranger. ;)
They do both work with Al Haymon, and I think gunranger is right that Al would probably try to discourage both sides from taking the fight. It doesn’t make sense for money on Floyd’s side either. But it could be a wonderful fight.
Bad Left Hook
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Come on Brick.
You know it’s about money and not balls. If Quintana beat him… Come on dude.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
It's both
I can’t imagine Floyd fighting someone that much longer than him.
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And you can't say Floyd doesn't have a history of not taking the toughest fights
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You guys wouldn't give him credit for taking this fight.
Diego Corrales was much longer, undefeated, and knocking dudes out when Mayweather took that fight or have you forgotten?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
At 130 and 135, he mostly fought the best
At 140 and up, he mostly hasn’t.
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Carlos Baldomir is most certainly one of the best...
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
That's what Manny Stewart thought
He picked Baldomir.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
So you are one of those "Mosley was too old" guys huh?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
No, but
he waited to fight him until he was older. That much is undeniable. He retired rather than fight someone as lowly as Shane. He made all kinds of excuses as to why he wouldn’t fight Shane after Hatton. After Shane KOed Margo, he called out Mayweather, and Mayweather stayed retired. A month later, midget Marquez calls out Mayweather and he’s out of retirement. And then he STILL only faced Mosley when he was backed into a corner and there was no other legitimate option.
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Where you have "No", you should have put yes
cause you contradicted yourself. I won’t argue with you anymore because you are one of those guys who will have an excuse for anything. You say he was scared to fight Mosely but he just dominated him. That’s pretty lame.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
I'm not even sure how to respond
And I’m too tired to go into it extensively.
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he said he dominated an old*ER* mosley, not an old mosley. PBF couldve fought him in 09 instead of that shit fight with JMM, but didn’t. that’s all brick was saying
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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Or he could have fought him in early '08 instead of retiring for no reason
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Now, now Brick.
That’s just hating on da goat. C’mon now ;)
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Yeah
The fight with JJM is totally indefensible as a legimitiamte match-up. Anyone trying to argue otherwise needs to find another sport, quickly.
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Your problem here is Williams is way too tall for welterweight.
He fits perfectly at middleweight.
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WOW
Big MMA fan but have to say you guys are far easier to talk to than MMA fans. Thanks for the insight guys.
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by SSreporters on May 2, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This place is special.
Most boxing sites are nothing but dumb arguments and people calling each other retards and nut huggers. BLH has pretty much replaced them all for me.
We've just been very careful to keep this a civilized site
You should check some other site, trust me – most boxing fans are idiots too.
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Ugggggg
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*Shudders*
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The way PBF was able to catch Shane on his way out...
I can see him dodging a combo from Paq and catching him solid when Paq takes his step back.
by chadplusplus2.0 on May 2, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions
Paq's
punches come from crazy angles… i dunno if mayweather would be able to see them all
and being a lefty...
The shoulder wouldn’t be nearly as effective in defense. But PBF would still clip him on his way out. Cotto even managed to do that.
by chadplusplus2.0 on May 2, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather really did look uncomfortable against Judah,
and Judah didn’t present complex angles. Good handspeed, but that’s where the comps end between Zap and Manny.
Mayweather is twitchy fast, though. He’s got a chance to put together some combos that can do damage to Manny.
Manny, however, won’t quit after two rounds. He’ll go out on his shield if he has to.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
The Judah fight is a hard one to use as an analysis
He really only won 2 or 3 rounds of that fight, yet he did very well in those rounds. Then Floyd made what were actually quite minor adjustments, and Judah lost his gameplan completely.
So it can either be seen as an example of how Mayweather would struggle witht he handspeed and angles of Pacquiao, or of how easily Maywetaher could neutralize them. Seeing as Judah’s ring IQ is about -20 I generally prefer to see it as the former.
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions
What exactly was Mayweather's adjustment?
Or was he just careless in the 2nd round? I thought Mosley could have got the KO in that round if he tried harder. Also thought Mosley was going to win, until round 3 happened.
I agree with lcollins — it was an offensive adjustment. He just sort of let loose. At times Floyd was more ferocious and throwing with more intent than we’ve seen in a long time.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
He also lost respect for Shane's punching power shortly after the 2nd round
By the 4th he was taking target practice at a discouraged and all but lost Shane Mosely. By the 6th, Shane was gone…and Floyd fired at will.
mosley had the look of defeat after 5 rounds. just completely gave up
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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
He clearly had a very good gameplan, it must have been frustrating to watch Mayweather ruin it with relative ease.
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Question
Would Pacquiao have the reach to go over the top of the shoulder roll like Mosley did in the 2nd? Obviously the styles aren’t even close, I’m just wondering when he’s looking for holes in Floyd’s game if he could even execute that kind of punch.
Not afraid to nitpick
No
but the shoulder roll doesn’t work against a southpaw, and Floyd usually doesn’t use it against southpaws
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No problem
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He wouldn't have to
Because he’s coming from the left on the opposite side of the shoulder.
by chadplusplus2.0 on May 2, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to give you credit SC
Right up front you said that come fight night, the speed difference wouldn’t even be close. I did think it would be close with the advantage going to Mayweather. I believe Mayweather adopted the Winky Wright game plan. Watch the first fight on youTube and you will see.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
If I had to choose I'd pick Floyd to beat Manny Pacquiao
I think Floyd’s technical gifts would guide him to a decision. But I might change my mind on that so that’ not written in stone. But this fight tonight was never going to be close, and anybody who paid for this fight thinking they were going to get a close one is a fool. Mosley’s 38 years old. How exactly was he going to manufacture the speed and guile necessary to defeat Mayweather?
Credit to Floyd though. He’s an all-time great fighter, and this is a testament to that. I just want to cut the bullshit. There’s one fight I care about and one fight only. Anything else and Bob Arum, Mayweather, Pacquaio, and whoever else involved can go fuck themselves.
Though the Floyd detractors will never give him credit for anything, I think it is time for them to exit stage right. He just systematically dismantled a fighter people have been accusing him of “ducking” for years. Floyd is a almost perfect boxer. Some may find him boring. I think it is brilliant to watch.
I must say I have more respect for floyd coming forward. I was surprised though to see how uneasy mosley seemed from the start. He fidgeted the entire fight. He also seemed to wear down really fast which is unlike him. I wonder if he did overtrain from the Berto fight. Just looked like Shane wasn’t prepared, was weak, didn’t give it his all, wore out extremely fast, didn’t listen to his corner, and hesitated constantly. I was expecting him to give it more given the warrior he is.
Can’t say we didn’t expect this but it’s good to see Floyd step up his game like that and fight. I wish he would do this more often and just take guys out of there. He had Shane in a bad spot a few times and should have kept going at him.
All-in all, It was a great technical battle from Floyd and the undercards were better than I expected. I guess there’s no more questions about Tigre. Still looking forward to May for what should be more exciting headliner match-ups.
A promise is comfort to a fool.
Winky Christ? Scott's long lost brother?
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are you responding to yourself?
dude – I don’t think you really went out on a huge limb with the pick.
Floyd looked great, best I’ve seen him look.
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I picked Mayweather by wide UD....he just didn't deliver a knockdown. :(
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Who was wrong?
Pretty much everyone picked Mayweather by wide decision. I know me and Scott did.
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I don't understand what you're getting at.
You’re saying you were the only one to say Mosley would get face raped by Mayweather’s fists?
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No, not at all dude
Listen, all I’m saying is every doubt any Floyd hater had about him is washed out.
Can he handle getting hit? YES
Can he beat a pure welterweight? YES
I mean, all I’m waiting for is that one person to come out and say, “Shane is old dude!”
knee buckling after one punch does not = handle getting hit. he hardly got hit after that 2nd round, but that wasn’t mosley’s fault. brilliant performance by PBF, but whatever i still don’t like the guy.
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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I've watched every Floyd fight endlessly
And that was by far the worst he’s ever looked (that round).
And he still came back and was masterful
Had the same thought — when he was keeping his hands up high, I was stunned. That’s so rare for Floyd that he even HAS to do that. But he weathered the storm really well, didn’t buckle under the pressure at all. That was the best round anyone ever had against Floyd and he survived it with flying colors.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Floyd took over in the 3rd and fortunately for him
If Shane had a Plan B after landing that big right in the second…he forgot it.
I mean, all I’m waiting for is that one person to come out and say, "Shane is old dude!"
Shane is old. I’m growing to love Mayweather as a boxer, I’m a fan, but I can still see that Shane was a bit faded. Do I think that Mayweather would beat him prime for prime? Yes, absolutely.
See, what I am is a balanced fan, not a fanboy.
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions
haha – dude you’re ridiculous. Be happy – you’re guy won. It’s like you’re waiting for somebody to acknowledge defeat. The fight’s over.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I'm not ridic
Listen, I have more respect for the people on this site than any other boxing site.
I just want y’all to admit how dope Floyd really is.
Jeez
pretty sure all of the regulars on this site realize how “dope” he is, but come on he isn’t like the GOAT or anything, and you know damn well that the JMM fight was an absolute sham. this fight was not, and while i’m pissed that mayweather won i applaud his masterful performance
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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i don’t like him, so respek of his boxing skills is all you’re going to get from me dawg
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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Floyd is really, really good
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I think he's the best right now
Not the best of all time though. But I thought he was the best right now before this fight. IMO, nobody south of 154 beats him.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
But I also think he shies away from challenges
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him demolishing Pac.
But I’m with Floyd on the drug testing thing. Boxing drug testing is a sham, and I support his efforts to ensure clean fights.
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What would it take to admit he’s the best?
It’s not so much a question of admittance, and more one of opinion. Admittance implies that we know it to be the irefutable truth, but refuse to acknowledge it due to some alterior motive. Instead I prefer to use resumes as the basis for my p4p list and view Pacquiao as the number one.
I have no problem with people ranking Mayweather as number one, as a very good argument can be made on the head to head basis. It’s just not the basis I like to use.
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
PBF fanboys are just as ridiculous as haters
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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
YOU HATER
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is ya'll?
Floyd may not be the most popular guy, but I do believe that SC picked him by wide UD in his writeup, and that a large majority of posters on this site agreed. Was I rooting for Mosely? Yes. Would I have bet a single dollar on it? Hell no.
Many people may feel he is an ass, but when it came to the fight, I’d say most here picked this fight right.
#1 for sure after this fight.
He just made Shane Mosley, consensus top 5 p4p fighter, basically stop trying after 5 rounds. He hit him at will while really not getting hit at all after the 2nd round. The fight reminded me of when Roy Jones fought the guy whose real job was a policeman.
Speaking of this, Floyd seems to be getting into Roy Jones territory. What I mean by that is guys get in there, have no response for what is happening, and stop taking risks to avoid the punishment. The difference between the two is that Floyd is doing it to big name fighters. Think about it; Mosley, Marquez, Judah, and to some extent DLH stopped what there game plan was and just let Floyd do what he wanted to do, with no resistence, over the last half of the fight. That is 4 of his last 5 fights! Only Hatton went for it, and he got knocked out. That is arguably the best fighter at 135, 140, and 154 (at the time), and second best at 147 (not counting Floyd, with Pacquiao ahead of Mosley). Like him or hate him, it’s very impressive.
In my mind all hope of Pac beating Mayweather was eroded round after round tonight. Floyd is too fast, to good. He will counter Pac all-night.
to me the 2nd round knee-buckle gives me hope that pacman will KTFO PBF, but i’m a massive pac fanboy and i hate floyd (not his skills, Option, just the character)
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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Onec again, Merchant showed that he is too senile to be left alone.
And Bayless was too active in there.
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by The Midnight Rambler on May 2, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions
yea he was. But that’s what I expect when Floyd fights. They don’t let him get roughed up inside.
I thought it was interesting though, when Floyd popped Shane on the break, Shane started talking. That’s when I knew it was over.
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Agreed.
Nazim would have been justified in tossing the towel right there. Mosley wasn’t interested in fighting after that, to my eyes.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
as active as Bayless was, he (and other officials in Floyd fights) need to watch Floyd’s left elbow when hes in close. He’s always putting that sucker in on someone’s neck
Cortez did
He’s probably my favourite ref right now, but Bayless is very good too.
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I love Kenny as a referee, but I think he let himself get too involved. And I think if he watches the tape he’d agree. Naazim pressuring him before the fight backstage about Mayweather’s tactics probably had him a little jumpy overall. Smart by Naazim, and I don’t think Bayless really negatively affected the fight (as in, the outcome would have been the same no matter what Kenny did), but it wasn’t Kenny’s best night.
And fully agreed on Merchant. He’s become far too much for me.
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The one time that Bayless wasn’t active was in the second round, when Floyd was clinching for dear life. However, in the later rounds, Kenny jumped in if they even looked like they were thinking about clinching. Somewhat uneven performance from Kenny.
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Just for the record
Why exactly can’t we post gifs?
HBO is still selling the PPV, theoretically
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That, and it's IP infringement
A little different if you post a link to a video elsewhere. That’s fine.
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Err
Let me catch myself there. I mean like a Youtube video or something, not actual fight videos.
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ahh bullshit man – what do you know about some gosh darned IP infringement? – ain’t no such thing.
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Just being conservative
Normally I don’t care much, but not right after a PPV aired, when it’s still before the replay airs.
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for the record on .gifs
I told gunranger this privately, but it’s not exactly a private issue and I realized now I should tell everyone else, too.
Last year after the Pacquiao-Hatton fight, someone posted a .gif of the KO punch. HBO put out a cease-and-desist. HBO cracks down on their copyrights. If a video is hosted on YouTube or whatever, that’s YouTube’s issue, and HBO goes to them to have it removed. If it’s here (even if it’s hosted on Photobucket or your own domain or whatever), it’s more of a gray area.
I mean, if it happened again, where HBO got on our case about a .gif that was on the site, but not hosted on SBN, I suppose I could have them directly contact the user, but I doubt anyone else wants to deal with the hassle any more than I do, so that’s why we have the rule. No one’s gonna get banned for doing it or anything (unless it was, like, a frequent thing after being told not to do it), and it’s not a huge deal. We just take it down. But that’s why. I don’t want to deal with HBO’s legal people. HBO’s boxing department can surely find enough reasons to dislike me or the site without the legal team getting involved.
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I was very impressed by Floyd
He was caught twice after that he continually beat Shane to the punch. I don’t know what Shane’s problem was. He was so in his head and it killed him. That’s what seems to happen when people are in the ring with Mayweather. I didn’t think Shane would touch him, and even then I was impressed by Mayweather’s defense. Him against Pacquiao needs to happen. I don’t know how often Manny can get to him. He’s the best defensive fighter bar none.
Mayweather is just sublime, even better than Roy Jones, because May’s greatness is rooted in fundamentals, while Jones’ greatness relied on his physical freakishness. Mayweather is the most technically perfect boxer I have ever seen, and I’m no fanboy— I was pulling for Mosley. Maybe a left-handed, supremely athletic volume puncher like Pacquiao would give Floyd problems, but I’m not so sure. I would certainly have to pick Floyd if the fight ever gets made. How do you beat a guy with Floyd’s combination of lightning hand speed, perfect footwork, pinpoint accuracy, incredible conditioning and laser-like focus? It may be many years before we see someone like Floyd again.
Just doing a little comparison, Mosley threw 507 punches against Margo in 9 round whereas he threw 457 in total against Mayweather in 12 rounds. Mayweather does something to fighters that makes them throw significantly less than normal. The total punch stats for Pacman will be interesting if Floyd and Pac ever fight.
I do. And don’t lock me into that pick right now. But I think the styles dictate that somebody’s getting KO’d in that fight.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Pac isn't going to wilt like Mosley.
He might get shoved off for a round or so, but he’s going to come back afterwords. There are just too many examples of Manny getting popped and setting his jaw even harder than before the shot that hurt him.
Floyd could KO Manny. But it would only be due to Manny’s incessant aggression. I think Manny overwhelms Floyd, but gets hurt in the process. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see knockdowns from both fighters.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
There is also a great number of rounds that Pac lost to the cleverer fighter like Marquez, showing that Pac might not be able to deal with the style of Mayweather. However, it is a fight that should be made because May also hasn’t ever faced someone of the caliber of Pacquiao.
Re-watch to Marquez/Pacquiao fights.
Marquez stays tight in the pocket, eats three to give two and when he connects well enough he pours it on. His base style is quite dissimilar to Mayweathers, but they both work primarily off counterpunching.
I think emulating Marquez’ gameplan would be uncomfortable for Mayweather.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I don't think Mayweather would need to emulate Marquez's gameplan
If Manny tries to overwhelm him, Mayweather can move back and counter. May’s feet are faster than Manny’s, and when he ‘runs’, he backs up further than most guys.
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Possible you're right.
I just think Manny isn’t going to stop at 1-2 punch combos. If Mayweather backs up, the 3rd, 4th and 5th punches are going to come until Mayweather proves to Manny that he can deal with those shots also.
But Mayweather does have great speed to six o’clock. I’ll agree 100% there.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I take the opposite viewpoint. If a counter-puncher like Marquez can consistently get to Pacman’s chin, he might have some trouble with Mayweather.
Marquez and Mayweather are pretty different
is my main point. Not sure success against one indicates much, and neither does difficulty with one or the other.
Mayweather lunges back and twitches out of the way of incoming shots. He essentially waits until his opponent is committed 100% to forward motion, then he uncorks one of his pipe-rights or left hooks. Marquez doesn’t flinch back or run at all, he stays feet locked in place, eats the shot and delivers back harder than he received.
Could be that Mayweather will be able to twitch out of Pacquiao’s kill zone. If so, he’ll dominate him thoroughly. If not, it makes for a verrrry interesting fight.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Mayweather makes fighters throw less punches. His style makes volume punchers turn down the volume. There is no kill zone against Mayweather, and that’s why i think this isn’t going to be a close fight. Pac might get a good shot or two against Mayweather, but that’s about it. May is too good for Pac.
I’m with you. Pac’s incessant aggression could get him KO’d, or it could KO Floyd. But I’m very confident someone’s getting finished in that fight.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Right.
I don’t see Manny backpedaling for very long. It’s just not in his character. He would keep coming forward, regardless of how the fight was going.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Just curious what about Pac’s style/May’s style has you seeing this as a quick KO? Pac and May not getting chin-checked by big hitters?
I think the thought process being
that Manny can’t win a boxing match, so he’ll try to knock Mayweather out and catch him cold. In order to do that, he’ll need to take risks, which could lead to him walking into a punch. Maybe?
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Not sure Manny would concede a 'boxing' match to May.
Manny’s style of boxing is almost unique, the in-and-out with funky angles and enough power to scare most opponents into submission isn’t a common combination. Mayweather is much more classic in his boxing approach, but the real question is whether or not Pacquiao’s style would disrupt Mayweather’s. We know that Mayweather would attempt to emulate Marquez’ plan in order to stifle Manny, but we don’t know if Manny would be able to make Mayweather uncomfortable enough to fight where he’s not strongest.
IF it turns out that Mayweather’s defensive style is essentially superior to Manny’s darting attacks, then I agree with your breakdown of the mental process Manny would adopt.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
it’s mostly Pac’s style. Pac’s going to go after Floyd – he goes after everyone. And I don’t think Floyd has the Clottey style shell D to just cover up, so he’ll counter. And either Floyd catches Pac or Pac lands some heavy artillery.
But, that Floyd straight right looked so damn good tonight. I’d lean toward that being the difference maker.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I doubt it. Mayweather couldn’t (or wouldn’t) KO Mosley even when it was obvious to everybody that the fight was for all intents and purposes over. May is great but he doesn’t go for the KO when he can just as easily get the UD. I think he’d beat Pac, but I doubt he’d get a stoppage.
After tonight I no longer wish to see Shane Mosley fight again. The man should retire. He’s had a great career and is headed to the Hall of Fame. He’s almost 40 and is not the fighter he once was. But that’s not why I think he should call it quits. I still think he’s a top 10 welterweight. What bother me was the post fight interview. I watched Mosley’s fights with Jesse James Leija, Wilfredo Rivera and Adrain Stone last night. The difference in speech was alarming to me. He’s starting to slur his words. I had noticed it a little in the 24/7 series. But didn’t pay it to much mind cuz I was pretty much fukked up when they came on. I know Mosley had just fought 12 rounds. I know he’s not really a natural talker. And I will admit to smoking some shiit that was pretty fukking potent. So it could just be me. But nah. The way he fought. How easily he gassed. The way he looked between rounds. Something was wrong. The post fight interview confirmed it to me. That ain’t Shane Mosley no more. It’s time for Mosley to retire.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
I want to see Manny fight Mosley now.
3rd round KO would once again display the stark contrast between Mayweather and Manny. Not saying it displays superiority one way or the other, but it would be something that would most certainly resonate with the public.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Boxing isn’t all compare/contrast. When we think this way, it gets pretty savage, and you eventually start sending out fighters who can barely stand.
Hey, I'm not calling for blood here.
If he’s not fit to fight, he should stop. But if he’s fit to fight, there’s one more truly compelling fight for him. Going out 0-2 to Mayweather and Pacquiao when you’re 38 doesn’t hurt your legacy one bit.
But yeah, if his brain’s too rattled he needs to hang ’em up.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
If the Mosley that fought Mayweather were to fight Pacquiao, there’s no way it could be spun as anything positive for Floyd. Manny would dismember the Mosley of last night in gruesome fashion.
But your general point that Mayweather would be able to continue spinning things his way is valid. The guy’s pretty darned good at whipping up drama.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Interesting point. Fighting-wise, I know Mayweather and the layoff made him look bad as much as anything. Cognition-wise, it’s a good thing to ask after this fight, or any fight he may have along the road if it comes to that.
But for the record, neither fighter looked terribly beat-up after this one fight, little as that says.
Not only that
But he looked like Oscar against Pacquiao for the last nine rounds. Or Jones against Hopkins. He just couldn’t pull the trigger. That’s warning sign #1a that you shouldn’t be fighting anymore.
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by Brickhaus on May 2, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your right. There were times when i was like “just let your damn hands go. He’s hitting you anyway”. But he couldn’t
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by Violent Demise on May 2, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. He really reminded me of the current version of Roy with his inability to pull the trigger.
by The Boxing Bulletin on May 2, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a little different. De La Hoya, Mosley and Jose Luis Castillo I think could no longer pull the trigger. Jones I think still can. His problem is fear of getting hit. That’s why he doesn’t pull it. Despite still being able to
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on May 2, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yea there’s two different types of “can’t pull the trigger” – one physical one mental.
But Shane slowed down a while ago. I think he got mentally beat to where he couldn’t pull the trigger tonight. And I attribute that to Floyd, becuase when the fight started, Shane could pull the trigger.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I'll rec this.
He did look absolutely lost in there after R2. He absolutely quit in what, the 5th? 6th? There was simply nothing left at that point.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Mosley is still a top 10 welter. It’s the interview and word slurring that bothered me. Early warning sign. If I would see him in person i would tell him straight out to his face. “You need to retire champ. It’s over”. Shane is one of them fighters I would hate to see end up like Meldrick Taylor. Ricky Hatton? Edison Miranda? I could care less. Hell I would tell Hatton to his face he still got it and can easily win a title at 168. To give it a go. “What they say you slurring your words Ricky? Nah man. They hating on you. Don’t listen to them. You just tired from eating so much. You the man. Chad Dawson ain’t got nothing on you. Go get him champ”.
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
Mosley MUST walk away
I was hoping Mosley would have retired a few years ago. Of course that means we would have missed out on seeing the Margarito fight, but at the same time, sticking around can only have hurt Shane in the long run. He’s showing worrying signs of the accumulative effects of his lengthy career, and even if he never fights again, I worry what condition he’ll be in 20-30 years from now.
by The Boxing Bulletin on May 2, 2010 2:24 AM EDT reply actions
Manny Steward was spot on all night
He immediately recognized floyd to be the stronger, better conditioned of the two, And more importantly, recognized that Shane looked the opposite. Not sharp or crisp with his punches. Not coordinated. In fact, he was getting old as we watched.
Shane was tight. He gassed even after Round two. By the 6th, he looked lost. Clueless, puffy and tired. Roger May and ellerbe pointed it out but i’m sure floyd already noticed.
Floyd was brilliant tonight. he made Mosely look like Joe Calzaghe made Roy Jones feel. Old. Props to Floyd for beating this Shane Mosely. I say this to distinguish him from the SSM that took ODLH’s 0 and electrified the boxing world a decade ago.
Now, I ask: why if you are that talented have you left yourself so few defining opportunities. Sure Manny is terrific but he also is a small man maxing out at welter. A fight in which floyd is sure to be the favorite.
Is it possible that a man so gifted had shortchanged not only us..but himself…in never fighting the fights in their time that might truly have defined him.
I can't think of a reasonable fight where he wouldn't have been the favorite
Or where the odds would have been closer than the about 1.6 to 1 I’m expecting for Pac-Mayweather. Tszyu was done by the time Mayweather got to 140. He would have still been favorite over Hatton, or favorite over Cotto, at 140. He would have been an even bigger favorite over pre-Margo Mosley. I could go on, but he would have been the favorite in all of them. There just wouldn’t be as many ‘but’s in his career, e.g., he beat Hatton but he did it at welterweight where Hatton previously looked like crap, or he beat Mosley but Mosley was old and the fight happened years later than it should have.
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Floyd was...well, Floyd. Shane looked bad.
Floyd deserves all the praise due him, really. Once again, allow me to reiterate, I’m no fan of his, but Floyd Mayweather is one of the most intelligent, fundamentally perfect fighters I have ever seen. I’ve seen few fighters who can gauge, execute, adjust, and then execute again like he does. He may be an ass outside of the ring. But in training and in the ring, he’s a consummate professional.
As for Shane, a couple things: First, I think him hurting Floyd in the 2nd was the worst thing that could have happened for Shane. It brought out all his bad habits — wild, lunging shots, tightness, etc. Secondly, I have to say, this is one of the worst versions of Shane I’ve seen. Why in the hell was he keeping his left hand so low when he knows that Floyd’s pet punch is that laser right hand? Also, he completely abandoned the jab after the 2nd a punch that he was landing with in the 1st round. After he hurt Floyd, Shane just went into brawler mode. He looked gassed pretty early too. And I must say, he did look his age in this one. Or that could just be Floyd having much better reflexes.
I have to agree with Battle Axe. Shane buckling Floyd in the 2nd gives me hope for Manny. I think Manny hits at least as hard as Shane does, is twice as fast at this point, is a southpaw and fires in much better combination at this point too. I’ll call it right now, I think Pacquiao at the very least drop Floyd.
Anyway, Congrats Floyd. I’m still not a fan of yours, but you’re a great, great fighter.
Good post
I think it’s a very tough fight to make a balanced prediction for, but right now I would be leaning towards Pacquiao to get the KO. However, yesterday I had Mayweather by decision, and tomorrow…
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That's actually debatable
Consider their common opponent; Cotto. Cotto certainly took more damage from Pacquiao’s punches, that’s not really questionable. However, it could also be said that his punch resistance had dropped due to his fight his Margarito, diminishing him as a valid comparison of punching power between the two.
Personally I don’t think that his chin had diminished significantly, but both cases are arguable.
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather deserves a lot of credit for the 2nd round. He didn’t panic at all. He took the punch pretty well. Held and grabbed a little. Fought back some. Cleared his head. And it was back to normal. I like that he didn’t deny getting stun by the punch afterwards. Gave a great answer. Sometimes that happens
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
Yep, Floyd’s ability to collect himself is amazing. Where was he when the riot broke out in the Judah fight? In the corner, taking a breather. Smart, smart fighter.
He needs him some Goldman Sachs. They should get along since they both love $$$$$.
by Waldo Rastel on May 2, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
and hitting Shane on the break. He’s dirty tough, he’s got a little Joel Casamayor hidden under all that bullshit he spouts.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
That irritated me. Not Floyd hitting, him, but Shane letting him do that. So Shane’s Arturo Gatti (RIP) now? C’mon man…You’re a veteran! What the hell are you doing talking to him like that???
really. That’s when I thought ’it’s over’. Shane gets popped and he asks for an apology? From Floyd? Get real.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Agreed.
Shane came out of this busted up image-wise.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
The hitting Shane in the mouth while he was talking to Floyd was a little much for me. Thought he crossed the line with that one.
I’m not sure I understand you. No reason for Floyd to throw the punch? Floyd had every reason. The ref basically said “time in,” Shane was still bitchin’. Shane got what he deserved.
Eh, no reason to pop Mosley at that point. He was going to win the fight and that action was just embarrassing for everyone involved. Made me cringe just like when Floyd went after Jack Mosley.
I agree with you in principle, but there wasn’t a need to rub Mosley’s face in his own feces at that point. Let him do his business and just leave it in the corner.
In the moment, yeah i would agree with you. But in the context of the right of the fight, that action really bothered me. Maybe it’s just me but that’s my opinion.
It certainly wasn’t “sportsmanlike.” But it’s the fighter’s prerogative whether he wants to extend that extra grace or not. Floyd chose not to. I respect that.
It’s a good balance though. You’re a Floyd fan who thinks he could have stepped off, I’m a Shane fan who thinks Shane was being an idiot. This difference of opinion is good stuff.
Those aren't legal
Hitting a guy during time in is. It may be a bit classless if he is talking but, well, he shouldn’t be tallking.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I like to think of myself as an “educated” Pacquiao fan, and common misconception is that those two words don’t go together either.
It is. I didn’t just now come to this sport though, like a lot of Pinoy Pacquiao fans. I’ve been at this long before Pacquiao ever showed up. I don’t blame Pinoys for being, passionate about Pacquiao, really. I don’t like it when they pretend to know more than they do, though. In the near future, expect to see more educated Filipino fans, I would say. The sport is experiencing something of a renaissance on the islands.
Filipino boxing fans are,
as a group quite well educated and knowledgeable of the sport. But the ones that post on the ’net are generally about two cuts down from there.
As you say, can’t blame them. It’s their first real exposure to it, but they’ll certainly get better with time.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Im into mma...
I might not know what i’m talking about but pacman vs mayweather needs to happen. I didn’t see the fight tonight. but i saw mayweather vs hatton and pacman vs hatton. what a contrast!!! hitman got killed in there vs pacman. The promoters in boxing have to make this happen. Like I said i like mma. But i would gladly pay to see pacman vs mayweather!!!
(ps never saw the fight tonight. mosley’s old. I saw i UD all the way for mayweather)
I'm a huge MMA fan also, but you're absolutely right.
This fight needs to happen badly. There are just so many obstacles to getting the fight done, and I’m guessing Floyd really doesn’t want to fight Manny. Floyd’s an amazing boxer, but he really isn’t a fighter in the strictest sense of the word. Proving courage or ability or earning respect really don’t mean much to him, compared to the majority of boxers out there.
Personally I’ve been looking forward a lot more to Machida/Shogun 2. I thought their last fight was a dead draw, and this one should be even better. We’ll learn if Rua can adapt his style to a complex opponent like Machida. You know Lyoto will come in there with an improved gameplan for sure.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I think so too. And he won’t gas. But Roach has to find some way to shut down that straight right hand of Floyd’s. Damn, that thing is a laser.
The thing with that right is that Floyd only cares that it lands as flush as possible. That’s it. Actually hurting the other dude is an afterthought. Most guys throw the right with bad intentions. Floyd throws it to score. And boy does it ever.
He sacrifices power for speed with that punch. In the end, the impact, the crispness the speed creates makes up for the lack of “heaviness” anyway. It really is a brilliant punch.
Manny's ducking left straight
won’t open him to the pipe-right counter that Floyd relies on to score. Lunging hooks, sure he’ll be exposed badly. But that ducking left straight is almost impossible to defend against with his speed.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
That’s where Manny’s aggression either works for or against him. If he’s so aggressive that Floyd hesitates to throw the right for fear of Manny’s left, then that’s good for Manny. But if Manny is too careless, he’ll run into that thing with regularity.
Regardless of whether he gets hit back....and he will
He is faster, more aggressive and far more conditioned than Shane at this point. Hatton and Oscar could hit Floyd. Manny will too.
But I do think Floyd is more confident in his body and at this weight. He will be a prohibitive favorite. Manny on the other hand has a n almost religious preternatural calm. He may lose….but not because he’s tight.
Manny is a southpaw and a great athlete. He can avoid punches. Shane did quite a bit even after he looked lost.
what do kidney punches or rabbit punches have to do with
Floyd smacking a distracted and at that moment foolishly unprofessional Mosely with a left and a straight right.
The rule is protect yourself at all times….not do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Just because it seemed unseemly doesn’t mean it wasn’t right
Regardless of whether he gets hit back....and he will
He is faster, more aggressive and far more conditioned than Shane at this point. Hatton and Oscar could hit Floyd. Manny will too.
But I do think Floyd is more confident in his body and at this weight. He will be a prohibitive favorite. Manny on the other hand has a n almost religious preternatural calm. He may lose….but not because he’s tight.
Manny is a southpaw and a great athlete. He can avoid punches. Shane did quite a bit even after he looked lost.
As I said, Floyd is in his prime and will be a prohibitive favorite
But he hasn’t faced Manny’s left. It’’s not slow…nor does he stop throwing combinations when he has his man in trouble…..
Not for nothing, but Manny would have finished Shane tonight
Left arm way, way down, pathetic pawing jabbing, leaning away and LOOKING away from incoming punches, almost zero attempts at an inside uppercut while in a clinch… UGH. I expected more from Shane, I really did.
If he’s just gonna perform like this from now on, then that’s it, call it a day. Because if he people thought he was low on ring IQ before, well, he’s just Forrest Gump status now. Floyd’s best punch is the straight right hand, what the hell is your left doing all the way to your waist??? What, you’re gonna counter from there? You’re gonna flash uppercut from there? What was the plan exactly??? To top it off, Shane wouldn’t duck down to have the right slide over him, he would lean back —and still get nailed.
Kidney and Rabbit punches are illegal
Floyd smacking a distracted …and at that moment foolishly unprofessional Mosely…with a left and a straight right was both smart and right
The rule is protect yourself at all times….not do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Just because it seemed unseemly doesn’t mean it was
This fight went exactly how I expected it to go. Mayweather is a notoriously slow starter in the first couple rounds and Mosley used that to his advantage to pepper the body and finish with head shots. I don’t even think Mosley ever truly really hurt Floyd all that much in the second round. The main shot happened to be a glancing blow off the left ear. It just threw Floyd’s equilibrium off, that’s all. From then on, it was all Floyd. He put rounds in the bank using his vastly superior speed, conditioning, and defense. I told everyone where I was watching the fight that Mosley’s lack of heart and boxing mind would be his undoing in this fight. He mentally checked out in the fourth round. His heart left him in the sixth. Shane was gassed after four rounds, which was probably the byproduct of trying to knockout Floyd in the second. He shot his wad.
I already heard the Floyd haters come out and say what I knew they were going to say. Shane’s 38. He came off of a long layoff and over-trained due to the Berto fight getting cancelled. He was too slow for Floyd and didn’t have good enough defense. And if Floyd was dominating then why didn’t he knock Shane out? It’s all the same excuses with the Floyd haters. Yet they overlook that Pacquiao couldn’t finish a clearly outmatched and outgunned Clottey or that Oscar was about 36 when he fought Pacquiao or that he fought a mentally weak Cotto. Shane was the best boxer either of them has faced. Hands down. And Floyd wrecked him. Big time.
And there’s no way in hell Manny Pacquiao will beat Floyd Mayweather. Let’s just clear that up right now. There’s one reason why and it’s the biggest reason of all. You ready? Manny’s power does not translate to 147. It doesn’t move up with him. He loses it. He just becomes a volume puncher at 147 and that’s not enough to beat Floyd. Anyone who thinks Manny would beat Floyd is either a (a) Floyd hater, (b) Manny lover, or © delusional idiot. That fight would play out just like Floyd-Hatton. So don’t even think it’d be close.
Floyd is the greatest boxer I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. Hands down. And he’s, very clearly, the #1 pound-for-pound boxer in the world.
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I already heard the Floyd haters come out and say what I knew they were going to say. Shane’s 38. He came off of a long layoff and over-trained due to the Berto fight getting cancelled. He was too slow for Floyd and didn’t have good enough defense. And if Floyd was dominating then why didn’t he knock Shane out? It’s all the same excuses with the Floyd haters.
1. Shane is 38
2. He did come off of the longest layoff of his career (at 38)
3. He was too slow for Floyd
4. His defense wasn’t good enough
These are just facts. I don’t even know what you’re responding to here other than things you’re assuming people might say, but at 250+ comments I don’t know when they’re gonna come. This thread has been pretty explicitly pro-Mayweather. He was phenomenal last night and shut down a tremendous fighter. That seems to be our Rotten Tomatoes consensus.
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And I don’t mean to bust your balls or anything. You’re a good poster and I’m very happy to have you here and you seem like a swell person. But this hyper-defensive Floyd fan stuff is weird to me. Is Mosley 30? Has he been really active? Was he, in fact, as fast as Floyd? Was his defense good?
No, no, no, no. The activity thing isn’t anything to do with Mayweather, and neither is Shane’s age. I don’t “blame” the age for this. It might have played a part, but that’s life. Why is it some kind of terrible sin to say that Mayweather proved he’s way too damned fast and good for Mosley? That’s all anyone’s saying. If you see somewhere else where people are ragging on about how awful this was, then just ignore it. That’s seriously my advice. Martin Rogers, a Y! Sports boxing columnist I generally enjoy, categorized this fight as “boring,” which I think is crap. The fight may not have been thrilling, but this was the most complete I’ve seen Mayweather look in years. The man put on a brilliant performance in every facet of the game. He survived a spirited charge by Mosley and then school was in session.
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by Scott Christ on May 2, 2010 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nicely put, Scott.
I really don’t remember any immediate discussion that was trying to paint Mayweather as anything but a brilliant boxer who did show an extra half-dimension against Mosley. Of course people acknowledge the age point Shane is at, and of course they’re going to bring up their recent fight records. That’s standard behavior during post-fight analysis, regardless of who’s being discussed.
And I hate Floyd as much as the next ‘hater.’ But you have to give credit where it’s due, and I think this and every other thread has done exactly that.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
lol i was waiting for this fanboy post.
good stuff.
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by sonofapsycho on May 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
Miguel Cotto would disagree with you re: Manny’s power at 147.
As for not stopping Clottey, the guy is pure defense and simply doesn’t put himself in a position to be hit. If you think Clottey-Manny was boring, Clottey-May would be an absolute snorefest. I would assign May a zero percent chance of stopping him.
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 2, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shane was gassed after four rounds, which was probably the byproduct of trying to knockout Floyd in the second. He shot his wad.
And you think being 38 has nothing to do with that. Watch Shane fight the year you were born and tell me that was a prime Shane Mosely.
Floyd
again impressed many of us true boxing fans with his technicality, ring smarts, and overall God-given ability to control the fight, even when he was ROCKED in the second round. I truly believe now that Money May has one of the best chins in boxing. Proof being in the second when he got rocked by Shane’s straight and still managed to yank Shane’s arm and hold it against his ribcage to prevent the dude from ripping him up some more and the clinch right after he got blasted the second time. BUT I do believe Pac would tear Floyd with his uncanny ability to throw punches with extreme velocity in angles Mayweather can’t ever predict even with that unbelievable defense of his. It’s all about being unpredictable if there was ever a game plan to beat Floyd, and that happens to be one of Manny’s top skills. I truly cannot wait until these two box it out.
How does May getting clocked in the 2nd round and him having to hold on illustrate that he has one of the best chins in boxing? If anything, it shows that his chin ISN’T that great, but his ability to calm himself and neutralize the threat is.
Yeah
Great recovery, average, or slightly below average, chin. A bit like Marquez in that respect.
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by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
His defense and ring IQ make it really difficult to finish off Mayweather for a KO or even just a KD. Massive respect for knowing how to cover-up and hold when you are in trouble. Mayweather’s ring IQ was off the charts last night.
by Waldo Rastel on May 2, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
To my eyes
it appeared that he got a bit of help from the ref on that particular clinch. Normally Kenny jumped in to break up the longer clinches, even when they were still working around each other. But that one he just seemed to leave them in place for a few seconds longer.
Could just be my own perspective, but I think he got a tad extra help from the ref after getting stunned.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Let me reiterate:
I agree with everything else said above my post. Mayweather absolutely did show his brilliance in the ring, and he does have great recovery ability. I just think he got a tiny bit extra advantage in recovery as well. Not enough to make a huge difference, but every little bit helps.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
pretty much what everyone thought it would be. no surprises.
i think it was the end of round 5 or 6 when the camera follows him back to his corner and he looks like his dog just got ran over by a truck.
shane was pretty terrible from the 3rd round on. i mean really terrible.
dlh is now saying that floyd now is “dictated the negotiations” now for a manny fight. in other words, its not happening.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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I was surprised at how bad Shane looked. Not just that he gassed early and suddenly looked all of his 38 years, but all the dumb mistakes he was making. I know that he’s never been a “smart” fighter. But some of his deficiencies were straight up amateur status.
He was doing his best Jermain Taylor impression. Not surprised he gassed early though, since all that bouncing takes a good deal of energy.
by Waldo Rastel on May 2, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather's just too good
I thought the fight would be closer but I’m not that surprised. Mosley beat Margarito, one who has zero defense and that was 15 months ago. Obviously Mayweather has the defense to not get hit, except for the second round that is.
How about doing a pol on who should fight Floyd next ? P Williams,Pacman,Bradley,or Berto ?
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on May 2, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
I got Floyd in all of those fights except for Williams. Not because of Williams’s skill but because of the issues for Floyd’s defense that PWill’s height and length present. Paul will literally be 7"-8" taller with a reach difference of nearly 10"!!!!
by Waldo Rastel on May 2, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think both Williams and Pacquiao present real challenges to Floyd.
There’s a great chance he beats one of them, but both would be a pretty stiff order. Still make for great fights, though.
He should have jumped in to the first fight with Pacquiao. Floyd could have defined his career by a trilogy with PacMan.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
The funny part is the fact that WIlliams doesn't use his length well would help him against Mayweather
I would still favor Mayweather, but I’ve long contended that Williams would be his toughest fight. When Mayweather moves backwards or leans back, Williams’s fists would still be able to reach him without moving much. That wouldn’t be the case if Williams was good at using his reach advantage, but since Williams usually stands too close, he’d be able to pop Mayweather even when Mayweather is in a defensive posture. On the other hand, Mayweather would probably just counter the crap out of him anyway.
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Ala martinez?
I’m still bitter that Sergio never got that win…
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 3, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions

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