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Despondent Mosley facing a new type of loss

Shane Mosley lost badly to Floyd Mayweather Jr. last night. Does he still have the fire to go forward? (Photo by Jed Jacobsohn / Getty Images)

"I just got finished cussing out Shane, because he was making excuses -- 'My trainer told me what to do, and I didn't do it' -- and I told him, 'Nobody trashes my fighter, including the fighter.' There's only one person wants to hear excuses -- your mom. She's always going to ask, 'What happened baby?' Shane's an important dude to me."

--Naazim Richardson (ESPN Los Angeles)

Shane Mosley has been here before. Kind of.

Looked at by many then as one of the very few best in the sport pound-for-pound, Mosley got his ass kicked (to put it both bluntly and realistically) by Vernon Forrest on January 26, 2002. It was the first loss of his career, a semi-manhandling against the also-unbeaten "Viper," who proved his own worth as among the sport's elite at that time.

But Mosley came back and fought Forrest again. Six months later, they hooked up for a rematch at Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis. Forrest again won. Though Mosley put in a better performance in the rematch than in the original fight, he clearly lost.

Mosley was at something of a crossroads. In 1999, Mosley jumped two divisions, leaving behind a stunningly dominant and destructive run at lightweight to move to welterweight and chase down a mega-fight with Oscar de la Hoya. After a couple of tune-up wins at the new weight (including a tough test from Wilfredo Rivera in his 147-pound debut), Mosley and Oscar got it on, with Mosley coming out the winner in a highly-competitive fight.

Now, he was looking at another jump in weight. Though a huge lightweight and a big, strong welterweight, the junior middleweight division presented a whole new challenge. Oscar de la Hoya had moved there, and Mosley (after a no-contest against tough Raul Marquez) signed on for a rematch with Oscar. He won, very narrowly (many felt he lost), and had some of his mojo back. Years later, we'd learn that Mosley was affiliated with BALCO at this time, and would admit using their supplements for the Oscar rematch.

But at the time, it was a pure bounce-back. Mosley was back in action, back in the upper echelons of the sport (truthfully, he never left), and searching for a challenge.

Winky Wright was at 154, and nobody wanted a damn thing to do with Winky Wright. So Mosley fought him. And he lost badly. Like the Forrest situation, Mosley simply went right back at Wright, fighting better in their rematch eight months later, but still coming up short.

After bouncing back with five straight wins, including the fight that functionally retired Fernando Vargas, Mosley was lined up to face unbeaten Miguel Cotto at 147. Cotto won a hotly-contested, underrated and exciting fight in November 2007. So Mosley, once again, came back, knocking out Ricardo Mayorga in a very erratic performance, and then thrashing Antonio Margarito.

Shane Mosley is 38 years old. His career has been fantastic, a shoo-in Hall of Fame resume in my mind. He will go down as a fighter who fought great competition, who wasn't afraid of a challenge, and when he did lose, wasn't afraid to try and get the win back. It never came up, but I'd be willing to bet Shane would have fought Cotto again if that fight had been available to him. But Cotto, unlike the other losses, was the A-side in fight number one. With Cotto, for the first time, Mosley hadn't entered the fight in the driver's seat.

He didn't this time, either. After a January bout with Andre Berto was canceled, Mosley and Mayweather signed to get it on. It was a long-overdue battle. I don't have the patience or the desire to go into who ducked who, but I'll say again that I truly feel neither of them ever really wanted the fight as badly as they might let on. In 2010, it made sense for them both. Mayweather needed a credible opponent. Mosley was the most credible man out there. Mosley just needed, and wanted, a big fight. Fights get no bigger than Mayweather's anymore.

He's lost before. He's lost badly before. Shane Mosley, for all the praise he's earned, has never been a great pure boxer. I've always likened him more to the Mexican stars of the era -- Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez. Those guys can/could box. Mosley can box. But Mosley never did become the boxer that perhaps he had the ability to be. He never was a great counter-puncher, always had so-so defense, and with his resume, you'd really expect a better jab than he ever developed.

Shane Mosley never had "mental issues" in a fight -- what I mean is, he never seemed like he was truly collapsing or folding his tent. He was badly frustrated and discouraged by Wright especially, and by Forrest, but he tried his best. Still, Shane Mosley has never been a thinking man's fighter. Like Morales, Barrera, Marquez, and many others, when Shane Mosley is at his best, it's because he's ferociously attacking. When he gets hit, he blanks on the boxing knowledge he does have, and he goes for the other man's chin. He wings wild shots. He makes reckless charges frequently. He's always done this. It was no surprise that he fought the way he did against Mayweather.

Those hoping for a great jab to dictate the pace were doing the equivalent of asking Shaquille O'Neal to hit 75% of his free throws this year. He's never done it before, why would he now? Mosley has always been reactionary in the ring. He loves to be aggressive.

And as I said before the fight, Mosley's a great aggressive fighter. And nobody makes guys pay for aggression like Floyd Mayweather Jr. does. Floyd did it again last night. Good boxers, and guys who move well, and guys who have great defense, have given Mosley problems in the past. Mayweather is an all-time elite pure boxer, he moves exceptionally well, and his defense continues to amaze.

Mosley's only true chance in this fight was pure power. He showed some in the second round. He hurt Mayweather worse than Floyd's ever been hurt, and won a dominant round. But Floyd didn't get rattled. Floyd didn't cower as many skeptics might have expected. He used his brain, got his hands up high (very unusual for Floyd), clinched when he could until he got his legs back, and from there on out it was a clinic.

Actually, Shane Mosley's never been here before. Shane Mosley's never been 38 years old, with rumblings that his long-term health might be a concern, coming off of a tremendously one-sided loss to arguably the best boxer in the world.

He's never had to think, "Am I done?" And he's never had to say after a fight, "Well, I'll go on vacation, relax, and see how I feel," at least not in the manner with which he had to say that last night.

I said in the immediate post-fight that I don't think Shane should retire unless it's what he wants. But he does need to consider everything, of course. And a retirement now would come with absolutely no shame. It would mean that Shane Mosley went out of a brilliant career losing to the best fighter he could face. That once again, he went after the brass ring, tried to stake his claim as the No. 1 fighter in the world, showing a substantial amount of drive and desire.

In fact, maybe there's no better retirement to sum up Shane Mosley's career. But that's for another day.

As an unabashed Shane Mosley fan, I will say that it did pain me from about round eight on to watch him against Mayweather. I was in greater awe of Mayweather than I ever have been before. Those desiring Mosley to "shut Mayweather's mouth" instead watched as Mayweather, frankly, threw a handful of corks at his so-called "haters." He was aggressive and he picked Shane Mosley apart.

But it wasn't that Mosley was losing, and badly, that really bugged me. It was looking at Shane in the corner. The photo used for this article caught my eye because it took me right back to those just hours-old moments. Mosley, with a somewhat blank stare, going through the motions in the corner. Naazim Richardson half-pleading with Mosley to do this or that, giving consistently strong advice. At the end, all Richardson had was a rah-rah-esque, "You can do this! I know you can do this!" moment for Mosley in the corner before round 12. Richardson had threatened to pull the plug on the fight. Mosley seemed in another world at times. The man who never was much of a thinking man's fighter in the ring was either thinking too much, or not thinking at all. That is a credit to Mayweather and his team's gameplan as much of anything. Floyd took Shane out of the fight, and hammered home his point repeatedly with right crosses and left hooks.

As the fight hasn't left my mind and it's closing in on 5am here (CDT), those are the moments that are most sticking out. There is a lot of how great Mayweather did in the ring, but Mosley, long one of my favorite fighters, looking like a lost cause, a beaten man who didn't know what to do with a superior physical specimen, is sort of haunting my thoughts on the fight right now. I see and even hear those corner moments with Naazim and Shane, and they fade out and give way to Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb." That's as much to do with Richardson's growing frustration over the fight as anything. I've seen trainers frustrated with fighters, begging fighters to do something, but Naazim and Shane are both such passionate and genuine people that this somehow felt different to me. When I think purely of Mosley and Richardson, and their admirable and double-hard work that led ultimately to pretty spectacular failure, that's the song that I keep thinking of.

There is no pain you are receding
A distant ship's smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying.
When I was a child
I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye.
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown,
The dream is gone.
But I have become comfortably numb.

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I think Shane should retire.He’s had a great career,was at the top of the pound 4 pound lists at one time and held titles in 3 divisions.He’s also one of boxing’s nice guys and i would hate for him to suffer unnecessary punishment.
Personally i can tell hear the slight sounds of slurred speach when he was interviewed even before last nights fight and i just don’t think he has any reason to continue at his age.

by Matt Mosley on May 2, 2010 6:50 AM EDT reply actions  

He took a lot of shots flush last night.

by Matt Mosley on May 2, 2010 6:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I couldn’t have put it better SC. After all the times I’ve watched Mosley in the ring I’m still trying to get around who that was I saw last night. I saw Shane in the locker room, Shane walking to the ring, and Shane being introduced. Once the bell rang, it was if Shane had left the building.

Wether it was training for two fights, being 38, a 16 month layoff, all the blood taken in the drug testing, Floyd’s instigating, or a witch doctor throwing chicken bones, it was a bizarre site to see a man on the verge of tremors nearly the entire fight from the first few seconds. The first two rounds I gave to Shane, but it was way off point for his skill level. So far off that I was literally saying, "Why isn’t Shane throwing punches? Why does he look so tired already? Why do his eyes look glazed? Why is his mouth open? Why does he look completely and totally spent already? Why is he clinching when he should be punching?

Naazim seemed just as baffled as I think all of us were. After an apparent serious plan, and tough training, it looked like Shane had just walked in off the street and put on gloves. He gave practical, intelligent advice, and Shane just didn’t shift, didn’t do anything but wait and wait and clinch and wait and stutter and wait and… It really looked to me like someone else was in there wearing a Shane Mosley suit. Not sure how else to describe the surreality of it.

And for Mayweather, an excellent performance for what came at him. He looked almost nervous after Shane’s initial onslaught and the near knockdown, but he passed it in an instant, came out in the third round, adjusted, and that was it. No more challenge and he came forward more than I’ve probably ever seen him do. I’ve said to people before that we probably wouldn’t see the greatest of Floyd until he decided to fight, and that’s what it started to look like. He came forward, was precise, strong and consistent, although he probably had several chances to get Shane out of there.

One thing I hope people saw who really hate Floyd, besides the talent he showed, is that the act disappears even before they reached the ring. If the guy was just a plain jackass who believed everything he said in the past months, it would have continued on into his interview after the fight. I won’t even comment on the Pacquiao statements right now.

Since my eyes are fluttering I’ll end by saying I am happy these two got together finally, but confused at to what organism came trembling out of the corner opposite Floyd. There probably never will be a straight answer to what became of Shane, and while I don’t take anything away from what Floyd did, I didn’t want to Shane go out like that from his first step.

A promise is comfort to a fool.

by ShadowMask on May 2, 2010 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Read

I can tell you why Shane wasn’t throwing punches, cause Mayweather causes his opponents to eventually fight his style. He dictates the fight. Did you see the graphic that went up before the fight about the accuracy of the fighters? Well, with Mayweathers’s, not only was his accuracy higher but he causes his opponents to throw well below the average.

I like Shane a lot. He seems like a great dude to be around. Honestly, I wouldn’t want to be around Mayweather, but that’s not why I started liking him as a fighter. I have always been amazed at how someone who contradicts himself and says the first thing that comes to his mind can be so smart and disciplined in the ring. It truly is a stage for him. It’s like Michael Jackson who was so shy and gave horrible interviews (IMO), could get on that stage or in front of a camera and become a different person: The King of Pop. It’s just fascinating to me.

He’s been compared to Roy Jones in some respects but Jones was not a salesman or promoter. He seemed to do most of his trash talking in the ring when he was beating someone down. Mayweather talks very little in the ring. He stays focused on the task, even after almost getting KO’d.

Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.

-Mike

by Craigman on May 2, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I’m seeing crosseyed so forgive me if this is poorly worded.

I agree about Mayweather’s accuracy and have witnessed how he gets people to fight his fight. He’s broken 50% more than once which is impressive to say the least. This looked like something else because it was right away before Floyd even touched him. For a guy like Mosley who usually throws all caution to the wind at times, I didn’t see one attempt at a vicious combo even before Floyd landed good shots, and the work rate in the first 2 rounds shouldn’t deplete an athlete like Shane.

Even before Mayweather turned on the gas, Mosley just wasn’t punching. To me he came out fighting differently, actually started to box Floyd, but he looked so awkward and uncomfortable and wired… then tired and nervous soon after. He looked like a drugged, timid suburbanite that got caught in the projects or Katherine Hepburn towards the end. I’ve seen him do that slightly, a little up and down with his gloves, but with style. This looked like a disease and was frighteningly similar to Floyd Sr.’s impression of him.

I also agree. Shane just seems like a cool guy, someone who invites you into their home for a meal and a brew. While I can’t picture myself shooting the breeze with Floyd I respect his skill and his performance tonight was a big step in the direction I wish he’d have been fighting in the last few years. He definitely has an alter ego but sometimes the separation between the 2 seems to blend. It’s a shame though because that’s what I think leads so many people to not liking him at all and ignoring the skill. I really think he’d get more respect being humble, just might not have gotten so rich. But if it works for him, and draws fans, he probably doesn’t see any reason to stop. I wish that more people didn’t fall into that realm of wanting him dead or blowing him.

Him and Shane were barking at each other for at least 10 seconds or more. I can’t remember what round but it was after Shane nearly threw him out of the ring. Curious what was said since Floyd is usually silent and calm or smiling. Right after that Shane had a brief flurry and seemed to have Floyd angry and he lost his concentration for a second, but that was it.

I would like to know from someone with far more boxing knowledge than I, if it is actually possible to behave like that from overtraining or if there is another explanation; anything from dehydration to low blood sugar. I’m not trying to make an excuse or be funny. I’ve never seen a fighter look so opposite of himself. He looked sick or something. The more I go over it in my mind the more bizarre it seems. EIther that or it’s the sleep deprivation :)

A promise is comfort to a fool.

by ShadowMask on May 2, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I take a middle view of this.

It was a very impressive win for Mayweather, and no one can take that away from him. Also, no one can blame Mayweather for cherry-picking Mosley because he was old. Even if Mosley in fact got old in the ring, no one (including Mayweather) could have known for sure that that would have happened. So good for Mayweather for taking the fight, and good for him for winning so impressively.

Did Mosley look old? I think he did to a degree. I don’t think he looked shot, but he has gone downhill some. Did it only look like that because of Mayweather? I’m sure some of it was, but not all of it. You make a good point that, notwithstanding his moments in the second round, Shane looked bad at times even before Mayweather had really started doing much. The things that Manny Steward observed about him – that his punches looked “loose” and that he wasn’t even balling his fists properly and that his body didn’t look very toned, and so forth – that stuff is not specific to the opponent. Steward later said that he knew something was off about Shane from the first round. I know he says stuff like that frequently, but in this case it sounded sincere.

So, in the final analysis I would say that:
1. This is still a very good win for Mayweather.
2. Mosley has declined a bit due to age – he is still a good fighter, but no longer elite.
3. This takes something away from the quality of the win.
4. But Floyd shouldn’t be blamed for that, because he didn’t know beforehand whether that would happen.

I would place the quality of this win right around the same level as the quality of the win against De La Hoya. A very good win, not a great win.

by taco pal on May 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.

I just read over this and must apologize for the sloppiness of my reply. Coincidentally out of my element as well.

A promise is comfort to a fool.

by ShadowMask on May 2, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mayweather made him look bad by making him miss and landing hard counters.

by Matt Mosley on May 2, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

most definitely. after a few rounds almost every shot Floyd landed seemed to move Shane back a step.

A promise is comfort to a fool.

by ShadowMask on May 2, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really thought Shane was gonna make a real fight of it in round 2 and for a few seconds even thought he might get the shock KO but he just faded out after that.He did land some good body shots in the fight i thought but they had little effect.
As Randy says below,Mosley is old but i don’t see the end result being any different had they fought earlier in their careers.Shane’s a pretty basic fighter,imo and not as smart or multi-dimensional as Floyd.He’s not quite as fast either.

by Matt Mosley on May 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Shane would have won. Would have been nice to see his old ferocity instead of being bent and spent though. I hope he hangs them up and doesn’t risk anymore damage. Dude had a good career and fought fights he was doomed to lose. Gotta respect that.

A promise is comfort to a fool.

by ShadowMask on May 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too old - ringwise and in actuality.

We knew this. It was confirmed. End of. Good articles, Ted.

Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!

by Randy Loathsome on May 2, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Not by Ted, man.

by Fj-3 on May 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh...

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it sounds trite, since I've been there,

but try always to take it as a compliment ;)

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on May 3, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is done.

This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles

by The Midnight Rambler on May 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He can probably still beat mid-tier guys, but what does that prove at this point?

Maybe he and Cotto can rematch. Two guys ruined by the attempt to reach beyond what they were into the annals of greatness.

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on May 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would still pick him against Berto

Top 5 in the division isn’t really done.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not ready to write anyone off based on a Mayweather fight as every single fighter seems to eventually freeze in front of Mayweather by the end of their fight. I still think Berto/Mosley is a hell of a fight.

by jcarr71 on May 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought Shane looked at the edge of being

deflated in the early mid-rounds against Cotto, but then Cotto didn’t do what he was supposed to be able to do, and Shane—being a fighter—forced himself back into the fight.

Shane was also not present for large parts of the Mayorga fight.
I think the Margarito beatdown fooled some people. There was always a chance of Shane turning back the clock for one night against Mayweather but it was doubtful enough in my mind that I wasn’t willing to pay over fifty dollars to see what I already thought was coming—

Shane being in the fight in the early rounds (Floyd almost always gives some away as he calibrate and calculates) and then not being in the fight too much at all.
What did this fight prove? That Floyd can handle smaller men and older men who are the same size. These are the kinds of things a fighter does on his way up, or in between fights, that push him: IMO Floyd blew it a long time ago when he decided not to fight the top welterweights.

by Don From Prov on May 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

How did Shane "Blow it", don?

The Guy is a Put-in-the-books Hall of Famer, hands-down. So I don’t understand what he “blew” that you’re saying.

by BrockRocks on May 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.

I don’t agree with the idea that one can’t “blame age” as you said in your earlier post, SC.

I mean, if you don’t want to factor age in, that is choice you’re free to make.
But I don’t see how age could be avoided as a factor in this fight.

by Don From Prov on May 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Mosley

was the no.3 P4P ranked fighter and the no.3 ranked welter in the world,regardless of his age.Look what Hopkins did to Pavlik at 43 years old.
Mayweather should be given due credit for fighting the best fighter available,apart from Pacquaio and for taking him apart.
I’m more a fan of Pacquaio as a person but that’s not really relevant when talking about who’s the best.Imo Pacquiao is the main reason his fight with Floyd didn’t materialize.
Pacquiao is quoted on Phillipino radio after the fight as saying that he will only take drug tests up to 24 days before the fight.He is giving people reason to suspect him or to think that he doesn’t want the fight,imo.
The drug testing stance is admirable from Mayweather and for all the abuse he gets off fans at least he’s trying to make things fair and expose the cheats.

by Matt Mosley on May 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

when talking about age, hopkins really shouldn’t be used as a standard. hopkins was never really in any monster battles like mosley, pacman, or DLH have been. those dudes are “old” 30somethings. PBF is a year older than fernando vargas, but vargas is obv an “older” fighter than PBF due to all the ass whuppings he’s received. mosley is an old 38, but this was still a great win for PBF. why can’t we just leave it at that?

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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

What Hopkins did was so exceptional because of how old he is. He is a freak in that respect.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t agree with the idea that one can’t "blame age" as you said in your earlier post, SC.

I mean, if you don’t want to factor age in, that is choice you’re free to make.
But I don’t see how age could be avoided as a factor in this fight.

It’s not that I’m saying Mosley isn’t 38 years old and at or near the end of his career. I’m not saying a younger Mosley might not have done better against Mayweather. But I don’t think age is the reason that he lost the way he did. He was just not good enough. And as much as I love Shane Mosley as a fighter, I don’t think he ever would have done a whole lot better against Floyd. If you can match them at 135 peak-for-peak, I think that’s a phenomenal fight and maybe a really close one, but Floyd just shines in all the areas where Mosley has traditionally been weak — defense and ring IQ and that ability to stay controlled when the temperature goes up. Mosley is a great fighter, Mayweather is just greater.

Yes, Mosley is a little faded and has a lot to think about with his career right now, but Mayweather beat him because he’s better than him, IMO. I don’t want to say “Mayweather won because Mosley’s old,” because I don’t think that’s the case.

Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on May 2, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay,

maybe I wasn’t reading fully enough into what you were trying to say.

by Don From Prov on May 3, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shane Mosley and Joshua Clottey should be forced to fight each other to the death in apology for the $110 I’ve blown the past couple months on fights that were pure disappointment. They could call it the “The Amazing Vibrating Man Vs. The Tough Turtle.” I love boxing, but its such a damn expensive sport to follow.

"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood

by BloodMeridian on May 2, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

No offense, but equating Shane's performance tonight with Clottey's reveals a severe lack of boxing knowledge/savvy.

Hey, I said “with all due respect.”

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on May 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Vibrating Man v. Tough Turtle :)

Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.

-Mike

by Craigman on May 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i loathe that man with nearly every fiber of my being. the only good thing that unfunny cock was involved with as the main star was Stranger Than Fiction

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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i said in which he was the star as in leading role (anchorman, ricky bobby, land of the lost, semi-pro, step-brothers, etc etc etc)

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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point taken

but he was clearly the star of the Neil Diamond Storytellers skit.

by Nick_ on May 2, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but thats SNL. He could star in that sketch, and 2 minutes later you have some other dude as the star of a sketch in which he doesn’t even appear in. I’m talking about 1.5 hours of pure WF which is pure garbage

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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree but I appreciate your intensity. – sounds like how I feel about Kevin Costner – worst actor of all time.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on May 2, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Costner's never going to be confused with Dustin Hoffman

(or Philip Hoffman, for that matter) but I always liked the idea of his projects. He took great opportunities, made a few more great opportunities, and created some entertaining movies.

But his acting chops were never great. Stiff and one-dimensional, without an impressive dimension to begin with.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on May 3, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked him in Open Range and A Perfect World. That about covers it.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on May 3, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good write up.

Tough to see him mentally beaten like that. Hard to know where he goes from here.

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on May 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to see him get that Berto fight

He’s still got some fights in him – Berto, or a rematch with Margarit in LA, or something like that. But really, what’s the point? After watching Mosley struggle with Mayweather, I think Berto would give him fits. Why would he want to be a young fighter’s stepping stone.

The only fight I could see happening is if Mosley somehow got Manny Pacquiao. it’s not out of the world, if the Pacman-Money negotiations break down Pacquiao will want a big fight and Mosley or Berto could fit that. Who knows? I think that Pacquiao would destroy Mosley worse than Mayweather did, but that might be the only fight worth having.

Shane, unlike a lot of other fighters, has a lot to offer boxing outside of the ring. He’s training his son, he works with Golden Boy, and could be a great announcer if he wanted (much better than Lennox Lewis). Shane could effectively leave the ring like Oscar did and do very well for himself.

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by mason_beer on May 2, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Has Shane ever done any commentating? It’s not a skill I think he’s guaranteed to have.

by Nick_ on May 2, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

he didn’t sound particularly engaging during 24/7

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by battle axe of doom on May 2, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He isn’t really a talker.

by taco pal on May 2, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see him on FNF in the studio or something to really gauge. Sometimes guys just aren’t great at talking about themselves. Maybe Shane would be good talking about other people. He’s always been a bit more animated at the pressers for other fights than he is for one of his own.

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by Scott Christ on May 2, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You saying you want him to replace the most exciting fighter of all time BJ Flores?

by Waldo Rastel on May 2, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent article

I don’t really like smothering a guy with compliments, especially not in this context, but I feel that a lot of credit is due here.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on May 2, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Shane retire? Hell no!

‘Cause you know what PBF would say then : *"I’m so damn good, I made Shane Mosley sorry old azz retire"*

BOOK IT. He WOULD say that. And I know Shane would think of this, too. I think Shane would want to end his Boxing Career on a WINNING NOTE instead of “having the so-called honor” of getting annihilated and humiliated by PBF on PPV.

For those that say “What’s the point in facing middle-tier guys?” : The Point is that Shane is a Prideful man and I’m sure the final taste of boxing he wants in his mouth would be the Taste of Victory. That’s why I don’t see him retiring just yet.

by BrockRocks on May 3, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

If Shane feels good physically, I still love Berto-Mosley.

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by Scott Christ on May 3, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see him bounce back against a lesser opponent first

Collazo won’t take an Aydin fight? Why not Mosley-Aydin?

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by Brickhaus on May 4, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shane should Retire

38 is not a good age for a heavyweight let alone a welterweight . Berto would beat Shane now . Speed is always a bad thing for an old fighter to face . Berto is a bigger , harder punching Cotto. I dont understand this new thing where fans want old fighters to face " stiffs" so they can retire with a win . History shows that if they win they keep fighting until they lose. I’d just like to urge Shane to retire as he has been one of my favourite fighters of the last 20 years. Its been a pleasure to watch an old school bloke that will fight anyone anywhere. I’d also suggest that if it was the Mosely of ten years ago Mayweather may well have been dogmeat in the second round. If a 38 year old Shane who hadnt fought in 18 months could rock Mayweather to his bootstraps I’d suggest the 28 year old Mosely might well have finished Mayweather . Cheers Blokes .

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by JC40 on May 7, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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