Froch wants Abraham fight in the States
by Scott Christ on May 24, 2010 4:17 PM EDT
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Terence Dooley reports today at BoxingScene.com that former WBC super middleweight titlist Carl Froch has said no to fighting Super Six rival Arthur Abraham in Sweden, as the two keep wrangling to find a neutral site for their August clash.
Froch and promoter Mick Hennessy remain adamant that they had an agreement to stage the fight in Nottingham, Froch's hometown. But Abraham won't fight Froch there, and Froch won't go to Germany, where the Armenian Abraham is based. Froch now says he won't fight Abraham anywhere but England or the United States:
"It’s England or America as far as I’m concerned. I’m not going to Germany or Sweden or anywhere east of Nottingham because I can’t win on points out there."
Froch (26-1, 20 KO) and Abraham (31-1, 25 KO) are both coming off of the first losses of their respective careers, and this fight is huge in determining whether one of them will move on to the elimination rounds of the Super Six tournament. If the fight does come to the States, which I've been expecting it might, someone's going to have to do some major league promoting to draw a house.
Abraham has fought in America twice, same as Froch. None of those fights drew major houses and none were in any of the major boxing cities. Abraham fought Edison Miranda in Florida, then Dirrell in Detroit. Froch fought Jermain Taylor in Connecticut in 2009 and Henry Porras in Hollywood back in 2005.
The best place in the States for this card would be in California, where hopefully they could pull the Armenian population out for Abraham. Abraham and Dirrell were originally scheduled to fight in Rancho Mirage, paired with Vic Darchinyan on the undercard. The show reportedly sold very well, and then Dirrell pulled out with an injury.
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smart move by carl.
have the fights in the states and put on a good co feature and local talent on the undercard which will put some assess in seats. problem solved.
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Uh, no.
No way Sauerland goes for this. After the circus atmosphere they had for Abraham vs. Taylor in Germany, they’re going to cross the ocean for a second time, where neither Abraham nor Froch can draw?
This is just stupid from a money perspective, regardless of the win/loss implications. Have it halfway between Nottingham and Berlin so both of the guys’ fans can come, rather than neither of them.
Say, Brussels. Or Amsterdam.
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by The Kittitas Kid on May 24, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
simma down, bevis.
you see the froch quote, hes not doing it, yet anyway. if it ends up in the states thats whats gotta happen to make money and sell.
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by sonofapsycho on May 24, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Froch won’t fight anywhere else in Europe. I still say Sealand is the way to go. They could get as many people there as they will at the Mohegan Sun or whatever.
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by Scott Christ on May 24, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That fight was bang in the middle of the ash cloud disruption. Froch only got into Denmark a couple of days before the fight. Hardly the best preparation.
There isn't really any jetlag between Britaain and Europe
I can’t see why it would have made much of a difference.
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by Drunken cutman on May 25, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not talking about jetlag. Froch planned to be in Denmark much earlier and his plans were disrupted. He didn’t even know if he would make it there or not. I think they he had to scramble around for a lastminute private jet if my memory serves him correctly.This uncertainty can only have had a negative impact on him. Plus, hardly any of his fans who’d paid to go could make it so it was even more of a partisan atmosphere.
I agree with both guy
After watching what happened to Dirrell in England, I dont blame Abraham for not wanting to fight there. That being said after watching Edison Miranda and Jermain Taylor fight in Germany it’s hard to blame Froch. Especially since he was slighted on the cards against Kessler (A fight he clearly lost but 2 scores were bad) in MK’s homecountry. I think a fight in the U.S. makes the most sense for both. Give neither guy a home field advantage,
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by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on May 24, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
I think a big part of this is whether you think money or integrity of the tournament is more important. Obviously as US site means less money. Equally obvious is that neither Nottingham nor Germany have good reputations as fair fight locales.
As far as I’m concerned, if a fighter willingly says “I’m willing to make less money because I want to fight on neutral turf”, that’s perfectly admirable to me.
by schraubd on May 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As far as I’m concerned, if a fighter willingly says "I’m willing to make less money because I want to fight on neutral turf", that’s perfectly admirable to me.
Exactly, I couldn’t agree more with this statement. It baffles me why fans sometimes seem more concerned about how much money a live gate draws than do the fighters themselves. Of course I did say “sometimes.”
Bring it to NYC, I say. Armenians here and a cheaper ticket across the pond than L.A.
Plus, then I can go.
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no. atlantic city so i can go.
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by sonofapsycho on May 24, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It baffles me why fans sometimes seem more concerned about how much money a live gate draws than do the fighters themselves.
I don’t care what the live gate does. But Sauerland does, which is why Froch is indulging in fantasy here if he really thinks he’s getting this to the U.S., where neither one of them can draw.
There’s just no compelling argument to the promoters why the fight should be held in the U.S. And the promoters get a say, like it or not. If money weren’t a factor, they wouldn’t call it “prizefighting.”
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by The Kittitas Kid on May 24, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They would if you could win a prize...
Like a hat, perhaps.
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by Drunken cutman on May 24, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer stuffed animals:
G’head. Pick one.
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by The Kittitas Kid on May 24, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The Stewie Doll! The Stewie Doll!
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by Drunken cutman on May 24, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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yup.
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by sonofapsycho on May 24, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally Off topic
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"because I can’t win on points out there."
That’s no way to generate interest for the fight in the States. I hope reporters remind Froch of that quote if he tries to talk the usual “I’m going for the finish” prefight hype in interviews.
It shouldn't matter where they fight.
Each of these two will be trying to knock out the other, so if the KO comes, location means sweet “FA” anyway.
by Phill on May 25, 2010 3:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It is true that one of them will be walking into a mugger’s alley if they do it in either England or Germany, but Froch whimpering about not being able to win on the cards after the Dirrell mess is just nonsense. And while Abraham will be forgiven for his Dirrell mess, eventually, he also doesn’t have a lot of room to cry “foul” here.
But the bottom line is that these guys won’t draw anywhere in the U.S. Better to be mugged on the cards than at the gate.
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I just want to see them fight.
Seems like a very interesting match-up to me.
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Wherever it is I just hope Froch gets KO’ed. I used to like the guy cos he was willing to take the tough fights. but his delusion is serious. The guy still thinks he beat Dirrell and Kessler. Schmeichel’s interview with Froch after Kessler was hilarious. Froch “If this was in Nottingham I would have got the decision” Schmeichel “I agree Carl, we saw that with your last fight”.
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