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How to Turn a Win/Win into a Loss Without Even Trying

Sometimes perception-wise in boxing and sports in general, athletes can be put in tough situations. They are up against somebody they are expected to beat easily. And if they do, fans are unhappy with the competition. And if they lose, well, they lose. Paul Williams was kind of in that situation against Kermit Cintron. Almost all expected Williams to beat him and look good doing it.

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But, there were risks with Cintron and the only man to beat him has been Margarito, so it was not really a lose/lose for Williams, but as the forth rounded to a close, it became a giant win/win opportunity for Cintron. And a win/win is as rare in sports as the hockey player with all his teeth or the calm, rational Jets fan.

Even for a challenger that is expected to be blown out, it is not really a win/win. If he loses as expected and by as much as expected, it just reinforces his exemption from the top level or can shoot him down the ranks to obscurity. If he gives out a good fight and still loses, yes, he can benefit even after losing, but it is still not a win/win.

Kermit Cintron was in the very unique position of being in the midst of a true win/win opportunity against Williams. The talk that has haunted Cintron as he has moved up in class, has not been, weak in the hands like Malignaggi, or weak in the chin like Wladimir Klitschko, but weak in the heart. The worst thing that can be said about a man inside the ring...or out.

Cintron out-thought himself, instead of trying to out-fight Williams. He felt like he squeaked out a good performance. Whether or not he knew the fight would go to the cards that early, can't be known for sure. But it sure seemed like it. Even if he didn't, he still thought he was doing the smart thing by staying down. He could squeak out a good showing and never have to be that close to Williams again. He thought his best rounds were behind him, and that's were he wanted to put the Williams fight.

But like a lot of things, Cintron got it wrong...dead wrong. After the spill, he was in the most unlikely position of all for an athlete...a true win-win. Here are a few athletes that opted for toughness and put themselves in a win/win:

Jack Youngblood may have had the coolest name in all of sports, but he is best known for playing throughout the NFL playoffs with a broken leg. He didn't have to play, and not a soul would have questioned it. And he would certainly not have been judged on how he did play. Miraculously, he played ok in that stretch.

His team though, lost the super Bowl. But all that is forgotten. What is remembered is he played through a broken leg, and his legacy as one of the toughest men to ever put on pads is forever.

Willis Reed dragged his severely pulled thigh muscle onto the floor and in front of the great Wilt Chamberlain in the 1970 NBA finals. If the Knicks lose, and he gets stomped, so what? Just showing the will to go against Wilt in that condition cemented his place in the history of basketball. His team, the Knicks, ended up winning game and the championship. And no one ever mentions, Reed only had four points all game.

Michael Jordan played in the NBA finals with a bad case of the flu. He was vomiting right up until the game started and also during halftime. Very few players would have even put on the uniform that night. Just being out there for tip-off was an accomplishment. Jordan's greatness would not have been questioned if his team would have been blown out, and he got shut down. But with his meals coming up, and all the pressure off, Jordan went out and scored 38 points and his team won.

Here are the scenarios for Cintron if he would have found it within himself to opt for toughness...

Kermit Cintron is tripped up and his momentum launches him through the ropes and out of the ring. He lands first on the ringside table with a thud then rolls and falls again on to the floor of the arena. A total fall of about 6 feet. With his back bruised and trouble breathing, Cintron presses to his knees before ultimately scampering to his feet.

He raises his gloves and bounces on his toes while grasping for air in an act of defiance against the boxing gods that catapulted him onto the ground, and any doctor that may dare call for a stoppage.

Cintron bravely takes his allotted time from a lonely corner of the ring before gallantly fighting-on against four division scourge and monstrous multi-belt winner Paul Williams...

1)...Cintron was gallant in his quest to hand Williams only his second defeat, but after the fall, Cintron was unable to muster the kind of success he had before the unfortunate accident, and Williams went on to the easy win. But during a career that has been diminished by questions of his heart and toughness, Cintron has finally silenced all those critics.

2)...Cintron fought hard and gave the giant Williams all he could handle. Eventually Williams won out. But the big question is how much was taken out of Cintron from the fall? Many believe without the fall, Cintron would have kept improving in his ability to find Williams, and the outcome may have gone the other way. Either way, Cintron's toughness will never be questioned again.

3)...Kermit Cintron blows away those at ring side only after first falling at their feet. After a frightening fall through the ropes and out onto the hard floor of the Home Depot Center, Cintron beats the heavily favored Paul Williams. It is an instant classic that makes Cintron the new force at 154, and the victor in the most unlikely show of heart and toughness the boxing public as seen in a very long time.

You see it? Win/win/win. There is not a scenario where Cintron doesn't come out of this looking better if he gets back in the ring. The pressure was completely off. Any outcome makes him look good. As bad as it is to say, he had a built in excuse and wasn't even tough enough to use it.

And don't believe the interview a few hours later when he claimed to be mad at the doctor for not letting him fight. If you walk into your doctor's office, holding your wrist and telling him you can't bend it because you just fell off your bike, don't complain after he gives you an X-ray. Why is that on my bill! I don't want to pay for that. I knew it wasn't broken and it was OK!

The only sign Cintron showed of wanting to continue was after he was strapped on the gurney and halfway in the ambulance. A little wave of the hand, like he wanted to keep fighting. He made his mind up to say down. He mistakenly thought it was what would be best for him. He could either get the win cause it is going the cards. (He very well could have won the first couple of rounds.) Or he did well enough the first few rounds, but now Williams is starting to pick up his rhythm.

Cintron was in a win/win if he would have gotten back in the ring. But now all he did was give more fuel to every fan who has ever called him soft, every fan that said he is just not tough enough to beat the elite. Kermit, listen up, when you are staring at a win-win...take it!

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Cintron joins Campbell, Augustus, and Ortiz as a headcase.

Good, so it can’t go any deeper – Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone

by The Midnight Rambler on May 26, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

jaked it?

so you agree that he jaked it to get out of finishing the fight? I know it is a stong thing to say, but it is the only way I see it.

by John Genco on May 27, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

This entire post is pretty clearly wrongheaded, but we already discussed the reasons for that in great depth three weeks ago. Not even the people who criticized Cintron (with only a few exceptions, none of whose arguments were particularly impressive) thought he had acted in this sort of calculating fashion – instead, they criticized him on different, more general grounds. If you had anything to say about the issue, you should have participated in the conversation then when other people were also engaging with the issue. It’s more than a bit irritating to see a one-sided account presented three weeks after the fact, which does not even acknowledge any of the counterarguments that were previously explained here in detail, and only after the issue has ceased to be of any interest to anyone.

I enjoy most of your posts, but this was a bad one.

by taco pal on May 27, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm afraid that I side with Paco here

I don’t see any real balance in this piece.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on May 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

and you DC...

good to hear from you. to you also, sorry if you felt like this was a wasted piece.

But yeah, there is no balance in it. I just can’t see it any other way. It is what it is. that is the point of a win/win it can only go one way, unless you chose not to take it.

by John Genco on May 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know that

I would have liked to been a part of that. I believe I must have been on vacation when those discussions took place.

And I waited a bit also b/c I wanted to see what else surfaced b/c I felt so strongly that he jaked it. but obviosly I have missed out. But thanks for reading it and your feedback. Sorry it you feel like you wasted your time. I’ll be more timely next time.

Don’t know if anyone else had the take that he took a golden opportunity and turned it yellow, either way, it’s out there now.

by John Genco on May 27, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically

I see no reason why he would fake it.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on May 27, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the piece

DC.,
in the piece I put out the two I though were his reasons…he thought he did well enough to say he would hand won and it would be a NC or he though he did well enough to get the decision if it went to the cards. And he felt William’s pressure begin to mount and no longer wanted a part of it.

So, those could be two reasons. Is what you are saying is you don’t believe he would do either or that they are not reasons to do it? I really asking not trying to be difficult.

by John Genco on May 28, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's been a lot of one-sided arguments on this forum

Even from people pretending to be balanced. You’re entitled to your commentary John.

Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.

-Mike

by Craigman on May 27, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

agree

That is what I said in a reply. it is not about presenting two sides, if in my opinion there is only one side. And if I don’t feel strongly about one side of it, I wouldn’t write a post abou it. But as I can write what I think, if somebody is kind enough to read my thoughts, I love to hear what they think about it.

My only regret is that evidently I missed out on the original disscusion.

by John Genco on May 28, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The point is not that you shouldn’t take a position. Everyone should certainly take a position. The point is that if good counterarguments have already been articulated (as they have here), they should be acknowledged and addressed when you make your point. Either explain why you think they’re wrong or concede certain points when you think they’re right.

by taco pal on May 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would also point out that factual objectivity is not the same thing as having no opinion. An objective person is someone who is willing to look at the facts on both sides. That person may still come out with an opinion that points one way or the other, but the opinion will incorporate, rather than ignore, the contrary facts. The person will have reasons why contrary facts A B & C do not disprove his conclusion, but he will acknowledge those contrary facts and deal with them openly, rather than just ignoring them.

It always amazes me how some people can’t grasp this basic distinction. To be an objective person is to behave the way a judge is supposed to behave. Judges make decisions and draw conclusions – that’s their job. The fact that they do so does not mean that they weren’t neutral or objective. It’s a question of whether you employed a fair thought process that listened to and addressed both sides’ arguments before you made your decision.

by taco pal on May 28, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Very well put

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on May 28, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How this article did not have a Kirk Gibson reference when it comes to playing hurt severely cripples it.

If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.

by Violent Demise on May 28, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

haha

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by Scott Christ on Jun 1, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

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