Arum refutes quote claiming that Pacquiao will bend on testing stance

That was a good vent SC, and I agree in everything you said. It aint fair on the fans who have built them up, paid for their shows. I will hold everyone in charge for not making this fight happen. They have built their legacy, now dont leave it with people talking about who they didnt face. Im getting realy sick of Arum lately

Well this is business negotiations 101. Arum pulled the plug on fight #1 because he wanted to prove that Pacquiao didn’t need Floyd to put up big (PPV) numbers. Unfortunately, that turned out not to be the case. Moreover, the expectation was that Mayweather would never take on a fighter like Mosley because it would be too much of a risk for too little reward or if he did there was a high likelihood that he would lose—which would be advantageous to Arum/Manny in any subsequent negotiations. He turned out to be wrong.

Now we fast forward six months and Mayweather did the unthinkable (took the Mosley fight), beat him rather convincingly and did very good PPV (notwithstanding GBP’s insane hyping of the fight (4MM PPV)) for the second fight in a row with a B- PPV fighter (face Mosley and Marquez aren’t PPV draws). Mayweather is no longer coming off a domination of a smaller man, but what most considered the best welterweight in the world (I expect it time folks will conveniently revise their memory to suggest Mosley wasn’t, but I digress). It’s going to be very hard for Arum to argue, with a straight face, that Manny deserves parity, from a financial perspective. Very hard.

So he plays the only card he really has . . . that he doesn’t need the Mayweather fight. That he can put Manny in marketable fights within his own stable of fighters and folks will plop down their hard earned money. The hope is that it forces Mayweather to accept the original deal because, theoretically speaking, there are no mega-fights out there that Mayweather will willingly accept (too much risk/too little reward). The expectation is that Mayweather won’t fight someone like Sergio Martinez because he’s too big, too strong and too difficult or if he does he will likely lose—which would make the subsequent negotiation more advantageous to Arum/Manny. If this sounds oddly similar to what happened in the first negotiation, you would be correct.

business negotiations 101? How about unethical business behavior 102? I can’t stand Arum. He is evil incarnate. Greed over anything else. On the other hand, he does make the most of free enterprise. Still, he is slime per se.

The ball is in Manny’s court

… and the Cotto fight insults my intelligence more than the Clottey match.

Bobfather never gets tired of pissing me off. Can’t wait until he brings Pavlik back for another spin.

I just don’t see this fight happening as much as I want it to. If not Mayweather, I wouldn’t mind seeing Manny in the ring with Sergio Martinez or Timothy Bradley.

y’know….i was harping more on Mayweather for being a primadonna and trying to do things to block the fight…..but my personal stance on this is changing…..Mosley just had to give urine the 7 days before it sounded like on the HBO 24/7 leading up to fighting PBF….that may have been selective editing…..who knows?

but….if guys can compete in the olympics with super strenuous testing, run marathons, whatever else….methinks Pacman should submit to the testing.

The largest prizefight of the decade, why not use the most strenuous testing available?

i can’t beleive i’m agreeing with PBF right now. wow.

So he Beat Cotto Fair

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I think after all the shit they make us go through, fighters and scum bag promoters alike, Manny and Floyd should duke it out for free, bare knuckles in Times Square, and it should be televised on every channel around the clock until everyone on earth gets to watch it twice.

This whole pathetic, pussyfooting circus is wearing stale now. Floyd fights everyone we think is below his level for years (based on who’s out there) and then when a serious challenger comes along, who’s in his prime and in Floyd’s weight class, that WE want to see him fight, he starts demanding things he knows the other fighter doesn’t want to do. Manny took a similar road the past year or so, fighting guys who were great once but were pas their prime, and the only difference was he crushed them in an entertaining way that someone who is ranked that high should do. Floyd almost did that with father time last weekend too which was a nice change for him.

At this point I don’t really care what the excuses are on either side. Each of them should drop the shit, split the scratch and fight. At least pre-Marquez it would just be assumed a money thing. Now it’s blood, and venue, and promoters, and the rumors keep building and people like us who actually care about the sport are feeding into it. I haven’t heard the most obvious from either camp which is Floyd was P4P best, then Manny was, now they say Floyd is again, so now they have to fight, end of story. They talk about everything but that and claim the same thing. Everyone that has been put in front of them they beat, regardless of how they did it or how entertaining it was. There is no rational reason they shouldn’t fight and they’re both insanely rich and don’t need to bicker about money. In a fair world they would both compromise: Manny gives blood, and Floyd fights outside of Vegas.

The other part of this equation is that until Floyd’s father slurred the words that Pacquiao must be using something, no one questioned his progress. Is that a reliable source… seriously? I’d believe Captain K’nuckles over Floyd Sr. People in this country are dumb enough to believe anything they hear that was recorded, so they will go by that alone with no other data available and now blame Manny who may legitimately have good reason for not wanting to do it, even if it’s mental, or even if it’s true. We did it to ourselves if nothing else than by feeding into rumor. If it was the other way around, everyone would say that Pacquiao is scared of fighting Floyd, and discount the Xylocaine claims as a cruel rumor, say that Floyd is just an amazing athlete, even though there may be more fact to his drug use, and demand Pacquiao fight Floyd. All this shit should be thrown away on both sides, they should fight in a neutral venue, such as MSG, and just get it over with.

Lastly, I think something needs to be done about all this PPV shit and I’m glad SC mentioned this. It’s getting out of hand now. Every other big fight is on PPV now. There’s no way I’d want to pay to see Juan Diaz, win or lose, especially after his last few fights. I’d sooner watch Ortiz vs. Campbell, and even then… why should we have to pay all the time? We already pay for cable. It’s pay TV for the pay TV channel.

One of the best things about Pacquiao when he first became known here is that we got to watch his best fights for free, and many of the greatest televised fights in history were free to all. The battles he had at lower weights were action packed and more evenly matched. These greedy corporate swine are taking advantage on a new level now and since we love the game, we feed it. Rough corner they put us in because if we don’t pay and don’t watch we’ll regret missing a great fight. I know it’s a dream but it would be so great to see big fighters start their own thing without the promotors and do it all themselves, like how the music industry is shifting.

So either it won’t happen or this whole thing has been a charade. Don’t underestimate what anyone will do to manipulate public opinion for money. Trust me on this, I work in the field. I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole lot of them are in on it. It is boosting interest so far beyond boxing that when they do fight it will break all numbers in history 10 fold, they’ll be the highest paid fighters to ever step in the ring, arum will make enough money to invent a new sex genre involving 100 dollar bills and rouge, and so many people will tune into the PPV that the feed will go down and we’ll all miss it anyway.

God Bless America.

To be honest, I find it irritating that these sides are talking about other fights. It’s somewhat of an insult to the boxing public, which has paid good money to support these two fighters over the years, and has played a huge role in building them into the stars they are today.

I confess I don’t watch a lot of boxing beyond the big fights (MMA fanboy here), but it is beyond belief to me that the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight has yet to be signed. I agree, that it is an insult to the boxing public. WTF are they waiting for? I mean, I know what the hangups are. I’ve read about them even on Bloodyelbow and other sites, but it still seems ludicrous that this fight has yet to happen. I suppose the MMA equivalent would be an Anderson Silva / Georges St. Pierre superfight – But that is almost worse, because even though both fighters want it to happen, it won’t, due to Dana White’s reluctance. All I know, is that this fight would do MONSTER business. Everyone wants to see it, including guys like me who normally wouldn’t bother with most boxing fights. At this point, they are almost taking things for granted. I don’t think fans will enjoy being dicked around like this for long, and these two top boxers aren’t getting any younger.