Ted the Bull's Scotch & Cigar Club #4
by Bad Left Hook on May 5, 2010 8:22 PM EDT
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How much can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?
--Tyler Durden, the protagonist in the movie Fight Club.
For me, boxing is far more than a bout between two combatants in a square circle that is entered with knowledge of deadly risk and anticipation of high reward. Boxing is a visceral experience that has many different directions coming together including the wherewithal for passionate arguments and the witnessing of two men going mano y mano with the hope, but no guarantee, that the third man in the ring knows when the right time comes to save one of them... Boxing is a loser alone with his thoughts in the dressing room and a winner being hero worshiped by fans as fickle as the weather. It is defeat or victory, nothing more, nothing less, but the difference can break a spirit or generate great confidence.
--The Author
Welcome to the latest edition of the Club (16th overall). As usual, we have some great sounds, smokes, and scotch (no Dixieland or New Ages allowed here). Tonight, we pay tribute to the Room Full of Blues, Tommy Castro, Jeff Beck, the Manhattan Transfer, and anyone else you want to hear, as I will put up the appropriate YouTube for your listening pleasure. D.J. "Bull" will spin any reasonable disk requested. Now sit back and pour yourself two fingers of Benromach Organic which is made in the smallest distillery in the expansive Speyside region. That alone should tell you just how much attention they pay to the finest details. As for a cigar, how about torching up a Cuesta Rey Centenario Pyramid No. 9 (Maduro Dominican)? The Cuesta Rey blend is smooth and creamy, exactly what one would expect from a premium cigar from this part of the world. It has a robust wood and nut flavor with a short finish.
Now, on to boxing and please don't hesitate to inject your own boxing topics, opinions, disagreement, or agreement.
1. The Pound for Pound Top Dozen
Again, this is simply a snapshot in time as of May 6, 2010.
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Chad Dawson
4. Lucien Bute
5. Andre Ward
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Celestino Caballero
8. Paul Williams
9. Nonito Donaire
10. Vic Darchinyan
11. Timothy Bradley
12. Yonnhy Perez
Others breathing down their necks include Juan Manuel Lopez, Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ivan Calderon, and Marcos Maidana.
The first three are relatively easy, but after that, it gets pretty dicey. Why Manny over Mayweather as Number One? He fights more often and had greater momentum going for him. Mayweather picks and chooses carefully and skillfully while staying fit year around. The difference is razor thin.
Moving fast: Yuriorkis Gamboa
What do you think?
2. The Shifts
The shifts continue as names like Roy Jones, Sor Vorapin, Barrera, Morales, Penalosa, Sasakul, Castillo, Diaz (David, Antonio and Julio), Vazquez, Marquez (Rafael), Hatton, Guzman, Briggs, Taylor, Holyfield, Valuev, Margarito, and Glen Johnson begin to fade or, in some cases, disappear. Even Pavlik, Cotto and/or Mosley cannot afford another loss. and Hopkins cannot afford another mediocre performance. Ward, Dirrell, Gamboa, Geale, Cloud, Perez, Berto, Maidana, Groves, Rhodes, Angulo, Lopez, Khan, Moreno, Kameda, Martirosyan, Bute, Haye, Alexander, Adamek, Nishioka, Agbeko, Bakhtin, Cunningham, Naito, Dawson, Abraham, Berto, Bradley, Porter, and Fernando Guerrero, among many, many others, are the new guys on the block.
3) Fighter of the Month (April): Sergio "Maravilla" Martinez
This super fast and slick Middleweight (45-2-2) defeated WBC/WBO middleweight titlist Kelly Pavlik with a focused and superb fight plan that left the game Youngstown fighter a bloody mess. After having been robbed of a knockout over Kermit Cintron in February 2009 and after a razor thin loss to Paul Williams in December, he finally achieved his rightful place among the elite fighters of the world. His options are many as he finally gets to dictate his next moves.
4) Edwin "Dinamita" Valero (1981-2010)
He and his wife, Jennifer Carolina Viera, are gone now and we can only pray for those left behind. The collateral damage caused by this tragedy will be devastating.
"Like a bird singing in the rain,
Let grateful memories survive in time of sorrow."
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
5) John Ruiz retires
Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are; your reputation is merely what others think you are.
-John Wooden
My main thing is to go out there and win. That is what boxing is. You go out there and you fight and you win. It is not about looking pretty.
--John Ruiz
I found it gratifying that "The Quiet Man" won respect as he wound down his long career-gratifying because I have always liked him even if most others found his style ugly and fan-unfriendly.
By now, the fight against David Haye in Manchester on April 3, 2010 has been vetted, but what needs to be highlighted is the grit and toughness that Ruiz showed. After a few rabbit punches (one for which Haye was deducted a point) John continued to fight on without complaining to the referee. He fought a determined fight always coming forward, but simply could not cope with the Englishman's explosive power and speed. With his nose badly bleeding, and having been decked twice in the 1st, once late in the 5th, and again in the 8th, John was fast approaching the point where he would need to be saved from himself, because he is that kind of fighter. Finally, the towel was waived in the 9th and the inevitable TKO came.
A few weeks after the fight, this proud Puerto Rican fighter (via Boston, MA) made the decision to retire. He had been in a lot of wars against a high level of opposition and fought 331 rounds. Clearly it was time. But somewhat ironically, he accomplished one very important thing on April 3. John Ruiz won respect across a broad fan base.
Look, quit is not in John Ruiz's DNA.
6. Wayne McCullough
I hope I can do well and put on good fights for the fans in Prizefighter. I want to feel good in the ring, as I do in the gym in training. The truth is, I don't know for sure how I'll feel on fight night. But Cheryl [Wayne's wife and manager] says maybe I should retire when I'm fifty (laughs). Maybe I'll do a George Foreman and win the title back at age 45!
--McCullough
In somewhat depressing news (at least depressing to me), former WBC bantamweight champion McCullough, now 39, confirmed he will be a participant in the next installment of Barry Hearn's "Prizefighter" series set for May 29th, at super-bantamweight.
The scary thing is, those were just about the exact words Irish Jerry Quarry used when he came back to fight Ron Cranmer in Colorado in 1992 after having retired in 1977 and then again in 1983. Jerry died 7 year later.
These days, when I watch Evander Holyfield try to recapture the magic, I think back to Aurora, Colorado. I think about watching Muhammad Ali, a shell of the man he once was, enter the arena to cheers on the night of the Mayweather-Mosley fight. The thing is, boxers are not reborn at the age of forty-four or forty-eight. A George Foreman comes along only once in a great while. Wayne McCullough is no George Foreman, at least I don't think he is, but I might be wrong. Not many can do a "George Foreman."
7. World Boxing Hall of Fame - Class of 2010
Julio Cesar Chavez, Mike Tyson, Dwight Mohammed Qawi, Bennie Briscoe, Joe Goossen, Jimmy Montoya, Graham Houston, Tiger Jack Fox, Bernard Docusen
Clearly, the road to Canastota is now assured for "Iron Mike." Or so it would seem (to me at least).
By the way, Tiger Jack Fox's record was 150-23-12.
8. Nick Charles
Give me the strongest stuff you've got that won't kill me.
- Nick Charles
The only time I lose it is when I cry out to God, 'Why would you give me this child and then take me away?' The only thing that kills me is, how do you explain to a 4-year-old that I'll see you again, that we'll be together forever?
-- Charles
He starts chemo again on May 6 - "chemo beats the hell out of you, but my oncologist said, 'I really feel this is going to extend your life.'"
And he's focused on the "little girl that needs me." While he has grown children, Charles says Giovanna is singular: "I never knew this kind of love....This is all very frightening....But I don't have a sense of dread."
This is the kind of thing from which you gain humility and strength. Give it hell, Nick, give it hell. We pray for your recovery.
9. What do Chad Dawson, Sakio Bika, Devon Alexander, and Timothy Bradley seem to have in common?
You tell me.
10. Prospect of the Month
Edwin "La Bomba" Rodriquez (15-0) is not so much a prospect as he is a streaking super middleweight who fights out of Worcester, MA via Moca, Dominican Republic. An accomplished amateur, he has displayed his skills in 7 different states. He is coming off a two nationally televised destruction's of veteran George "The Rooster" Armenta and Kevin Engel. Armenta was taken out by a lethal left hook to the body at 47 seconds of the opening round. The rugged Engel was dropped by a crunching right to the body. The referee began counting, but Kevin never made a move to get up. He was finally counted out as Team Rodriguez - Larry Army, trainer Peter Manfredo Sr., and cut man Dave Tenny celebrated in the center of the ring.
The 2005 USA Boxing National Championship and 2006 U.S. National Golden Gloves golden medalist is currently ranked No. 12 by the NABO and No. 14 by the NABF and has been receiving rave reviews from boxing writers and fans alike for his fan-friendly style and humble attitude. "La Bomba" bears watching.
Speaking of prospects, am I the only one who was greatly impressed by the skills of Saul "Canelo" Alvarez when he stopped teak tough Jose Cotto, though I did feel Cotto earned the right to lose the decision? For a nineteen year old, Saul has moves I haven't seen in a long time. His record is 32-0-1 but it might be 46-0-1 if he gets credit for an additional 14 fights that are in the process of being confirmed. A look at his record reveals that he was 17 (in 2008) when he waxed Colombian Raul Pinzon in one. Now Pinzon is the guy who put Hector Torres through 10 rounds of pure hell before succumbing. Torres gave Miguel Cotto all he could handle and split two with Kendall Holt. "Canelo" (Cinnamon-Head) also starched Russian Marat Khuzeev. If he is managed properly, he has a great future-if.
11. The David Lemieux Watch
After annihilating (and retiring) Walid Smichet (20-6) coming in on April 3, 2010 to capture the Canada Super middleweight title, the young Montreal bomber moved his record to 22 (KO21)-0. He faces his biggest test on June 11 when he meets Elvin Ayala (20-9) at the Uniprix Stadium in Montreal. At stake will be the vacant WBC International middleweight title. The crafty Ayala has been stopped just once and that was by Arthur Abraham in the 12th round of a savage affair in Germany in March 2008. Having won his first 16 pro fights, he also fought to a draw against Sergio Mora prior to the Abraham fight.
This will be a good measuring stick for the 21 year old Lemieux who continues to fight at an active Old School-type pace. Oh yes, I hope to be at ring side for this one. Let's get it on.
12. The Debate Rages On
"Level playing field" vs. traditional testing. Now that Mayweather has dismantled Mosley, the leverage is clearly in his favor in any negotiation over this matter. However, my own feeling remains that a Boulwaristic approach of "take it or leave it" on the part of Mayweather will begin to erode at some point opening the door for a compromise-and for the fight to be made. But the back and forth arguments rage on...
13. A Personal Message to My Fellow Boxing Friends
My heartfelt thanks to each and every one of you for your many get well messages during my recent health episode. It was my first experience in a hospital (as a patient). I will relate one little incident. When I asked the neurosurgeon to give me the odds on my impending surgery, he looked me in the eye and said "it's a no brainer."
For a musical and photo tour, visit the author's website at www.tedsares.com. Also, please sign the guest book so I know you dropped by?
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I still think Hozumi Hasegawa is one of the 12 best boxers in the world. I don’t think his loss should diminish his standing. He was pitching a shut out and got caught by a very good fighter. Other than that I like the list
Props to him for fighting through a broken jaw as long as he did
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I like Hasegawa, but personally (and I’ve dropped him out of my top 25), the P4P ranks are loaded. That’s generally always going to be the case. Hasegawa’s record is not so impressive that he can keep that level of standing for a solid loss, IMO. If he goes up to 122/126 and impresses, then right back he comes. But there are a ton of really good fighters out there. Fernando Montiel is not among my top 25 either (that likely changes if he plasters Donaire, if they fight). Hasegawa is still a good fighter and I’m still a fan.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I am harsh on a fighter who loses. Thta's my style of ranking.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What do think of Devon Alexander? I think he is better boxer and I think he is a better puncher than Bradley. Keep In mind I do not consider myself an expert. I just watch A lot of Boxing,on tv and on the internet.
Keep In mind I do not consider myself an expert. I just watch A lot of Boxing,on tv and on the internet.
Well you’ve already eclipsed Larry Merchant and Jim Lampley, and probably Manny Steward too. I mean obviously Manny knows boxing, but I have my doubts that he watches much that doesn’t involve his fighters or his HBO job. And obviously Larry and Jim have seen a lot of boxing, but I don’t know how genuinely plugged into the game Jim is anymore, and Larry is in another universe.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
As this is the only boxing site I read,
Is everyone else on Jim and Larry lately right now too? I 100% agree with you, but am curious if our opinion is one that is widely shared.
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 5, 2010 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it’s getting there. BANG BANG BANG! went semi-viral and people clowned on it plenty.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I think Larry is worse though, all things considered. He’s at least SUPPOSED to know something about boxing, but instead blabbers on incoherently all night.
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 5, 2010 9:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What I truly hate about him is that he is lazy and does not do any research on the boxers. And for that he is
paid a tidy sum.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Some on some site worship the ground Merchant walks on, but many on those sites exchange stange posts. Now, if you can decipher what I just said, you will be
on your way to knowing that I can’t stand that little nasty prick, nor can I stand Manny (as an announcer), though his grammar was a lot better on Saturday..Merchant’s comment about Ellerbee was cruel and just plain mean-spirited.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I like boxxers like Tarver, Lewis, Briggs or Jones doing the commenting. Max is far better than the senile runt.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems fashionable to bash Max, but at least he does seem to love the sport. I just don’t think Jim or Larry care anymore.
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 5, 2010 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It seems fashionable to bash Max, but at least he does seem to love the sport.
Yeah. The New York kid that loves boxing and loves to talk about it and watch it is the Max Kellerman I was hoping HBO was getting. And it was at first, but for some reason they’re grooming him as Lil Larry now and it’s really annoying.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Max is like one of us who made it to the top. He is a fan's man (not to be confused with a Fan Man).
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Max really has his moments
But I have found him increasingly happy to be rigidly stuck to one opinion, overly critical, and to play alogn to the HBO script. The final one is, of course, a necessity of the job, but I feel that there is more room for independent opinions than he generally gives.
Also, his level of analysis can be a bit simple at times. I don’t want very in depth details but something beyond “jab = good” and “lack of defense = bad” would be nice.
I think Manny’s announcing is easily the best in the team. None of them are close to Al Bernstein.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Lennox’s general attitude, but I never feel like I’m learning anything from him, and that’s always been my problem with him. But at least he’s not an ass. Tarver is getting really, really good, and Jones and Foreman at least had something to say that came from their heart. They were very “real.” Briggs is good, too. I’m looking forward to his retirement so he can get into commentary.
And I held on longer with Larry than some did, but he’s just mean and bitter. I’m frequently surprised by the level of professionalism shown when no one tells him to go to hell.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Tarver is really something.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I also spend half a Friday Night Fights thread talking about Teddy Atlas and kind of breaking balls, but Teddy Atlas really loves boxing and really gives a shit about it. I’d rather have him there than some white TV teeth clown. His in-fight analysis is pretty damn good. His predictions are as shitty as mine.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
His in-fight analysis is very, very good. He can break a fight down really fine.
But I don’t like that pre-fight crap with Sauuuuuul. Now that to me is bile inducing.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like Teddy, but sometimes he gets a bit rote
He seems to get stuck on certain catch phrases for certain situations a lot. If we see an undefeated kid against a rugged journeyman, you can pretty much be guaranteed you’ll hear the phrase “deep waters” about 10 times.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
But I really wish they'd get Brian Kenny out of the studio and next to the ring
Tessitore is a better play by play guy than a lot of the folks out there (Gus Johnson, Col. Bob Sheridan, etc.) and is probably about on par with Lampley, but I honestly think Brian Kenny is better.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Brian Kenny is my Fave TV Boxing Person Brick
If we had Al Bernstein , Brian Kenny and Antonio Tarver calling all the big fights Id be happy.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Also “bang to the bawdy. Boom to the head.” And of course “Control distance.”
But Teddy is bearable for the most part. He goes after other trainers sometimes, though, and often pretends that he taught Mike Tyson everything he knows.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
The Tyson thing really gets to me
Seems to think he basically invented lots of upper body movement, and was solely responsible for Tyson being born with powerful fists.
I think FNR4 really turned me against Atlas, which isn’t exactly fair but there you have it.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
to be honest wit yous
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How about, "he is being brought in as an opponent?"
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Where I come from
nuttin’ someone can mean to head butt them, as the word “nut” can be a term for head. So that could get confusing!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the colonies?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 7, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Very good.
I’ll respect the quality with silence :)
Although, of course, we were never a Scottish colony.
by Don From Prov on May 7, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wikied Providence
Out of interest. It looks like a cool place.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 7, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty,
much here relies on “appears to”—
Providence, and all of RI, is in deep trouble.
Yet, that is becoming the norm.
by Don From Prov on May 8, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Deeeeep trouble
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
As a long time MMA fan and a newer Boxing fan...
As bad as you say the main boxing guys are, the announcers in MMA are so much worse in my opinion. It doesn’t seem like anyone really follows the sport. I mean, Joe Rogan and Michael Schiavello follow is some, but outside of them I don’t think anyone seems to watch ANY MMA outside of what they announce.
And I think both sports can both agree that Gus Johnson is not good at all.
Gus is the very bottom of the barrell
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he can really be something.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Devon, that is.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Tedster. I’ve missed far too many of these hear at BLH.
Lots of good stuff here. nteresting that you have Yonnhy Perez in there at twelve. I don’t rate him so high but he does many things that I like. He sometimes has looked sloppy and even a little passive in early rounds, but when you look closely he is always doing all the very small things right, and very cute with his defense and offense. All in all a very strong and defensible list, although I’ve been having second thoughts about how well Vicky D would do independent of his weight class, and don’t have currently him in my top ten or maybe even top twenty if sat down and thought about it. To each his own.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
don’t rate him so high YET that is
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
We'll see how he does against Mares
I think he’ll be a handful for about anyone, but he can be outboxed. Silence Mabuza outboxed him until Perez came from behind with the 12th round KO.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
A brilliant performance and a great breath of fresh air after the wasted, gasping reign of Pavlik. The middies are my first and greatest love, and although Pavlik earned his shot the right way and had a very strong start in kayoing Taylor for the title, it got tired real fast with Lockett, Taylor and Hop at catchweights, Rubio, goddamn Espino… enough! Sergio was hungry, and in his biggest fights up to that point had been badly dicked over (Cintron) and fell on the wrong side of a tight one (Williams). He had the guts to fight the freakshow Paul and the ice merchant Pavlik, and for my money he beat them both. Hail to the new king.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Sergio is making a lot
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 5, 2010 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sergio is making a lot of fans
And for good reason. Fights his ass off, has a slick style, and my wife certainly admires the abs, allowing me to watch the fights in peace.
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 5, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can say that again!
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
The danger of mobile posting
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 5, 2010 9:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah…I didn’t mind Larry much until recently. Why do they ask him for his final wrap up at the end? It was painful to watch him try to come up with something to say at the end of Mayweather/Mosley. And I mean Yordan got beat up, but he made it out to be a killing in the ring…..And Damn Jim Lampley is annoying as hell!!! Bang, Bang, Bang! That was awkward to say the least.
How do you like the way Lampley says, "Tecate." Man, he puts some real whine into it.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Merchant
Truly is finished. It’s been borderline for more than a decade, and you get so used to that face and voice that you let certain things go. But lately it is D-E-M-E-N-T-I-A with a capital everything. The Cab-Yordan fight was a great example, but there have been many others over the past three four years. Lamps isn’t done, but I sometimes wish he was. Lately he is half mean drunk and half mindless shill, and his sick disrespect of boxers in shining through brightly.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
How about when he (Lampley) said Arreola copuld become the first real Latino heavyweight champion. He simply crapped
all over Ruiz without ever mentioning his name. Another real prick, BUT, and this may surprise you. The best single boxing piece I have ever read was wriiten by Lampley a few years back on the Huffington Post Blog. Go figure.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I read that, too. He also did an excellent interview with someone a couple years ago where he just cut loose and dropped the TV persona. It was interesting to read him speaking honestly.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
WAS THAT THE ONE WITH HIS FORMER WIF? HE WAS VERY REAL ON THAT ONE.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I also read the one you are referring to. Looking for the link.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
But, of course, he’s written utter garbage on there as well. He’s also a woman-beating scumbag.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Yes, we must compartmentalize when we discuss Lamps.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll get the link and put it up.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Here it is:
Lampley, Jim. "Death in the Ring." Jim Lampley Blog-Huffington Post. 27 September,
2005; available from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-lampley/
death-in-the-ring b 7939.html (Accessed April 30, 2007).
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
That is exactly the one I thought you were talking about. I didn’t think it was as good as you did, but I did read it and think it was very good. I am unsure of its sincerity, but I can say that about many writers (present company excluded).
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I like it because it had a profund impact on me and helped me reason through some ring fatalities or near
fatalities. Where he talks about fatalities arising from the culture of boxing, I thought that was very incisive.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Lampley comes of as a know-it-all bully, and Manny is cool, better than Teddy Atlas, but not as cool as Tarver.
I don’t mind Manny. There are sometimes I just roll my eyes when he’s doing live analysis. He is that sort of guy who is always right because the instant he is proven wrong he just changes his tune and pretends that’s what he was saying all along…. “See, just like I been saying.” Except, no you weren’t Manny, you were saying the exact opposite thing. Galling and sometimes just funny, but not puke-worthy, as Lampley and Merchant often are.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
"PUKE WORTHY" IS GOOD, BUT TRY BILE INDUCING OR PUKE PROVOKING
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How about puke-stimulating?
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Too sexy maybe
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
stimulating can be a good think.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
"Good" and "Puke"
shouldn’t usually correlate. Especially when a word like “stimulating” is involved…
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Yes
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
“Good” and “Puke”
shouldn’t usually correlate. Especially when a word like "stimulating" is involved…
you must have missed the 60s.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I thank every holy relic
and every polytheistic figure governing fortune and fate that I did, in fact, miss the ’60’s.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I have found Manny the most consistently astute in his intuitive recognition and understanding of the intangibles that make a fighter
He will virtually always recognize patterns and makes fast and often very accurate observations about a given fighter’s physiology. His experience allows him the most intuitive judgement of what he thinks he’s seeing in the ring; maybe less so the actual connects but certainly tells and patterns that are forming during the fight that ultimately manifest themselves.
The best example was the night Cotto was connecting and nailing Margarito with everything in the early rounds ….. but Manny felt (and said) as early as the 3rd that Margarito’s kind of pressure (that of taller man) was going to be a problem for MC as the fight wore on.
Same with Mosely in the first minute of Round One on Saturday night, He said his coordination was somehow off. a second latter Shane was on the ground having lost his balance.
He has a way of looking at what he sees in a fighter once he enters the ring that few others either have or share. Most commentators have only one predisposition and stick with it …. Manny is apt to say one thing pre-fight and another very quickly once he sees the fighter actually square up live.
Manny is apt to say one thing pre-fight and another very quickly once he sees the fighter actually square up live.
True. But he is also apt to say one thing mid-round and another very quickly when the momentum shift. And then take credit for both “predictions.”
But like I said, it’s not a big deal and there are not many who I’d rather listen to these days more than Steward. Certainly not on HBO, anyway.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Well, hell. The way you articulate it, I'm not about to dispute you.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't stand Manny
He may pick things up, but he has great difficulty putting it to words. And then when he finally does, he harps on it for four or five rounds straight. And then the fighter does exactly the opposite, and he says “see, that’s what I’ve been saying all along.”
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And then the fighter does exactly the opposite, and he says "see, that’s what I’ve been saying all along."
It happens often enough that you pick up on it. It’s almost a personality quirk, like he doesn’t want to admit when he’s wrong. On of the few times I ever heard Manny admit he was wrong about something was in the post-fight for Pavlik-Taylor, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say he was “wrong” or “surprised” while calling a live fight.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Manny is no Bill Safire when it comes to the use of the English language
But he has made an earnest attempt over the years to improve…and I think considering where he started he’s come a long way.
The one who has no excuses (with the language) and yet acts as if he’s a poet is Merchant. He’s become as bad or worse than his far smarter predecessor, Howard Cosell.
Maybe and maybe not. Cotto learend English rapidly and Bute picked up French perfectly. Manny, who make over a million just from HBO, can sure as hell learn how to speak
Englih. I’m sick of his “That was the best punch I have ever saw.” No need for that. Not at his salary. Merchant suffers from verbal constipation. I can go to the reefer and make a snadwich in the amount of time he takes between two words. And the way he looks down and ponders what he is about to say is truly vomit-inducing.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
learned
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
English
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen up yous two
pakinpower and Sares, we are talking about “Manny Steward” here, not Manny Pacquaio. Wise up.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Oh pakinpower knows that.
Okay just you, Sares. :-)
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
No I am talikingg about Mandy Patinkin on Criminal Minds.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I love listening to Cosell
In old fight tapes. I know that some people have some grudge against him which I don’t really get, but to me he sounds like the voice of boxing.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i loathe everything about cosell but the awesome mop on his head.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on May 6, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is that?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 7, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he was an asshole. he thought people tuned him to hear him annouce the fights and not the fighters.
he was a dreadful play by play man too. many times he would just scream ‘HES HURT" when a guy wasn’t even hit solid and clearly not hurt.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
he was an asshole.
He was before my time, of course, but just based on boxing footage I’ve seen with Cosell, plus other sports, it’s hard to disagree. He was a very self-important man, or at least came across that way.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
It's possible that I am more attracted to one man
Announcing than Cosell himself.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 9, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
don dunphy is the true voice of boxing btw.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on May 6, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Without a doubt, Don was the main man.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
good points
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Safire is no Bill Safire--
At least not to the extent that he thinks he is.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Don From Prov is a word magician. I can vouch for that.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Some on some site worship the ground Merchant walks on, but many on those sites exchange stange posts. Now, if you can decipher what I just said, you will be
Yeah that Ellerbe comment came out of nowhere Didn’t it?
But why? What must he be harboring in that sodden brain that woul ignite such an inappropriate comment? The sot.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
Look I like Pac and all but I think that Larry loves him and will use any opportunity to downgrade Floyd and his team. I mean they do suck to talk to but they havent done anything to Larry.
Dougie Fischer recently called Roger and Floyd Sr. “nasty old farts.” I sometimes wonder if he interviewed them and they made fun of him or something. I like Doug’s articles and have no problem with him, but he truly does seem to loathe the Mayweathers.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
The thing I used to most respect about Fischer
Was his attitude to the Mayweather’s career; he sees it as an absolute waste of the exceptional talent that Floyd is, exactly the way I see it. He never dressed it up as anything else, or said it subtly, just came out with it.
Now I feel that he has gone maybe a touch too far in his criticisms, he seems to try to bring them into whatever he talks about, regardless of there being an actual link or not.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
as you internet heads seem to say on here.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How about when Larry said the Marchiachi band sucked. Oh boy. Not too sensitive.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, as long as we are on the subject of commentators, I say this with a kind and well-meaning heart: Colonel Bob Sheridan doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about 93% of the time. He just really doesn’t. Sometimes it’s more annoying that listening to a shill or used-car salesman type, just listening to someone try to describe a fight who doesn’t really know what he is looking at. He seems like a decent man, though.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He’s a good guy and I appreciate his passion. He’s even gotten excited about and learned MMA fairly well so he can call MMA. But he’s just awful in certain moments. He called the Estrada-Rivero war a “good stoppage,” when it was utterly abysmal. Fucking Rivero was throwing a punch when the referee stepped in in the final round of a goddamn barnburner.
He also seemed unable to decide if Nick Valuev was Giant Jesus or not during the Haye fight, and he barely seemed aware of who Haye was.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Ugh
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
sad thing his he was great back in the day when he would do the dkp shows in the 70s, 80s and early 90s.
hes just a shill now.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
sad thing is*
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
by sonofapsycho on May 6, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I guess he wants to keep making sure he has a next fight to work, so he goes really overboard. I can see why, but it doesn’t make it any more fun to listen to.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
He was atrocious during Spinks-Phillips
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
What kind of Colonel is he for God's Sakes?
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Does nepotism
extend ranks in the case of Colonel Sanders? That could be, I s’pose…
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
You been on the scotch or what?
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny enough, the closest I get to scotch is one of these articles
or when I’m watching re-runs of Star Trek with Mr. Scott, who always liked himself some vintage.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
That's good
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Ted I don’t know, but if I served in his battalion I’m sure we’d have a 95% casualty rate. And then he’d tell us something like “We are in total control of this fight. That’s the way I see it.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That little pipsqueak lying rat
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I got "nanned for life" on one erotic-like boxing site over my reaction to that lying squirt. The morons who ran the site would not accept the fact he lied.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
banned
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, lost my post
Probably a Kentucky Colonel. They give those things out like crazy. My father in law, who’s Japanese and has never visited Kentucky in his life, was made a Kentucky colonel because his company opened a distribution center in Kentucky or something like that.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Does he actually use the title?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Father in law?
No.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Good call!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumour has it he title they bestowed on Bobby Sheridan was handed out at the original KFC by fellow ‘Colonel’ Sanders for setting the record for most pieces of chicken demolished in one sitting.
The Colonel’s side boob made an appearance on the Vazquez-Sonsona card.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
lmao Matt
Colonel Bob is Peter Griffen , Jim Lampley thinks he is Quagmire , Bob Arum is Stewie , Hayden Pannettiere can be Meg Griffin ( a hot one) and Mia St John can be Lois .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Colonel Hasagawa-wtf
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
After annihilating (and retiring) Walid Smichet (20-6) coming in on April 3, 2010 to capture the Canada Super middleweight title, the young Montreal bomber moved his record to 22 (KO21)-0. He faces his biggest test on June 11 when he meets Elvin Ayala (20-9) at the Uniprix Stadium in Montreal. At stake will be the vacant WBC International middleweight title. The crafty Ayala has been stopped just once and that was by Arthur Abraham in the 12th round of a savage affair in Germany in March 2008. Having won his first 16 pro fights, he also fought to a draw against Sergio Mora prior to the Abraham fight.
Lemieux is one of the most interesting prospects of the past five years. There are just many things to like and not to much to sniff at. He is also being brought up better than you usually see these days. “Well managed” but not protected. I almost hope he loses to Elvin, just to get that ridiculous “O” mental illness out of the way. Too much of that disease going around. He is one to watch.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Elvin is a tough customer. I saw him ice Eddie Caminero at the Roxy in Boston. Whew!
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he is a tough spoiler. I love it! Facing the spoiler at this point in the game is genius. You don’t want to meet that mother down the line, shamelessly guarding your “O.” Great managing of a career.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Russ Abner. Good friend of mine. He is handling David perfectly.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell Russ there are a bunch of people out here who SEE IT. It ‘s so obviously a no nonsense, real deal type of managment and it’s going to be good for David in the long run, I think. Talent needs that kind of career.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I feel like Lemieux may have problems with speed
I like him and he’s old school, but there are certain things about him that are very basic to me. Fortunately, he’s young enough and has enough talent that he can probably develop ways to mask his flaws. Similar to Alvarez like that.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I feel like Lemieux may have problems with speed.
Do you mean that he himself has trouble getting off fast or that he will be troubled by fast guys? It’s not always the same thing is why I ask. Lemieux seems to me like he has decent speed considering how much he sits down on his punches.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I mean he would have some problems with a slick, quick handed fighter
Ayala might help answer those questions though, as someone with decent handspeed and a little bit of slickness. I think he’ll eventually get KOed by Lemieux, but if Lemieux actually outboxes Ayala for the full fight, then that misgiving might go away some.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I just got my hotel rooms in St. Jerome. Montreal is all booked because of the Grand Prix. Those rooms that are availble
in Mntreal are running close to $ 400 per night. Say what? Thank God for Super 8 and ARRP.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It's impolite
to end a post with a burp.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in China
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure the concept of "polite" even exists in certain parts of China
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
In certain parts of anywhere,for that matter,
To be even-handed in this non-partisan, non-political, polite web-site.
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on May 7, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A fart might even be more of a compliment of a good dinner. Think I'll give it a shot the mext time I do
Chinese food.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that
a fart is mandatory with what passes for Chinese food in most spots.
by Don From Prov on May 7, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of prospects, am I the only one who was greatly impressed by the skills of Saul “Canelo” Alvarez when he stopped teak tough Jose Cotto, though I did feel Cotto earned the right to lose the decision?
Wait a minute… Cotto’s corner pulled the plug, did they not? It’s already a little fuzzy for me. But the red-headed stepchild looked very good and tenacious in there. Very mature for his age.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I thought the ref did. One second to go in the round. Cotto deserved better, though he was getting his butt beat.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You might be right.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Polish vodka is good but Polish women are much better.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole region is best-in-world
quality, in my opinion.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Except for the Golota region . Going there could get you sore nuts . Ask Riddick Bowe .
by Sir Jack Daniels on May 6, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahah or a bite on the shoulder Ask that Samoan bloke. Or a bad head ache, ask Doc NIcholson.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This reminds me of something I have to say. Right now Georgi Vodka has the best advertising campaign I’ve ever seen in my life. Their posters, on mostly buses and at bus stops, consists of:
1) A bottle of Georgi
2) A woman’s ass
3) The word “GEORGI”
That’s it, just Vodka and an Ass. Very smart.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I like the possibilities there.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s brilliant in a way. You see a bus pass by, and there is a bottle of Georgi leaning against a disembodied ass. Your brain doesn’t have time to manage to much in that situation, so it’s just “Georgi=Ass.”
Of course, they could be referring to the taste…
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Yeah
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Whew! All this tired me out. I'm hitting the sack because I;'m back on the links tomorrow.
But first, I mst continue reading the White Trilogy by Ken Bruen.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 5, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
Look, I just want to get this of my chest since there was some discussion of it following May-Mosley: Floyd Mayweather Jr. cannot win a middleweight title. He just can’t. No disrespect to Scott and Brick, but it’s just not in the realm of reality. It doesn’t even matter who owns it. Martinez, Williams, Pavlik… it doesn’t matter! Floyd is a great fighter, but he is not a middleweight, nor close to one. He would not even dream of fighting Paul Williams at welter, so there’s no chance he would fight him at 160. He is very solid scaling in at 146, but has fought two little guys and an old guy at that weight. Part of the intrigue of May-Pac is that they are little guys who have found a comfortable, sharp weight at welter, and that May would be fighting a prime opponent. At 160, May would be either fat and slow or underweight to a suicidal degree. His head is bumping the ceiling right now, so let’s not go crazy. Pac too… hell his head barely reaches that ceiling.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
whoops, i thought you meant junior middle.....
hmm… at 160 it’d be tougher
ok....
he doesn’t beat martinez at 160.
But he could at least stand a chance with one of the three german belt holders (one of whom is an interim, does that count…..???) . Felix Strum I think he loses, but I wouldn’t promise, Sebastian Zbik he would beat, and Sebastian Sylvester might lose also.
He wouldn't weigh in at 160
He’d weigh in at 155, which was his in-ring weight against Mosley. Without getting any bigger, I think there are some good middleweights he could simply outbox who are too slow to lay a finger on him.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
That said
I don’t like his chances against Martinez. I would have favored him against Pavlik. He’d probably shut out Sylvester, who isn’t much bigger than he is.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
…In other words, it would be Floyd’s soft 155 against solid, intense 170+ lb guys, most of whom would be punching downhill on him all night. There are many, many middies Floyd would have a lumpy, bumpy night against, not just guys with belts.
Floyd is not superman. There is a weight ceiling for every fighter, and for Floyd it is almost certainly welterweight. Maybe Jr. Middle. Maybe.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He’d weigh in at 155, which was his in-ring weight against Mosley. Without getting any bigger, I think there are some good middleweights he could simply outbox who are too slow to lay a finger on him.
Where did I say he would? Like I said, 152 is about the top, absolute maximum I can see Floyd hitting without ruining himself, and it would show big time.
As for this “in-ring weight” stuff, rolling into the ring at 155 isn’t the same as training to make it. There is a certain sharpness to targeting a weight during training. And to have in that sort of intensity in training and be a bonecrushing 155, he’d have to pack on more muscle… where will he put it?
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He doesn't need to be a bonecrushing 155
He could do the same thing that a lot of the old timers did and just come in small. He’s good enough defensively to do it.
You’re telling me that 5’8" and relatively slow Sebastian Sylvester would kick Mayweather’s butt just because he weighs 15 pounds more in the ring?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You’re telling me that 5’8" and relatively slow Sebastian Sylvester would kick Mayweather’s butt just because he weighs 15 pounds more in the ring?
Sebastian is quite short and mostly a German illusion. I don’t think it will even be a question soon enough. Made In Hell is long in the tooth now, but I believe he will still knock Sebastian out… if the German’s let him, that is.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Karmizin is as done as a burnt steak.
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--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been saying he should retire for awhile now. And either way this fight goes, I think he will. But Sylvester is a sham. However, the German snakes will be looking for one of those meretricious TKO stoppages to get Roman out of there, so Roman had better get to business quick and relentlessly if he has a hope of riding off with one last W.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He could do the same thing that a lot of the old timers did and just come in small. He’s good enough defensively to do it.
It’s an open question if he could actually “do that.” Giving away (at least) fifteen pounds is no small potatoes. That is very large, frequently potatoes, and he probably won’t be able to pick Sebastian’s cherry soon enough. May-Karmazin might be a good fight for Floyd, just on account of how old Roman is. But he has a good chin and would be murderously stronger then Floyd.
It’s great that Floyd is good enough that we can even talk about such a fight, but there’s a big difference between handily beating a 147lb Hatton, a blown-up, very fat, old Marquez and an old Shane Mosley (all while targeting 146) and trying to climb over middleweights. Not a dig on Floyd, he’s just not a middleweight in any way I can see.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
frequently mashed potatoes
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Well sure,
there is a difference between the Welterweight champion beating a Jr. Welterweight, a fat Lightweight, and an old Welterweight, and then taking a former Welterweight who moved up to Jr. Middleweight and from there defeated the Middleweight champion.
It involves degree of challenge. If Floyd’s skill sets and other factors don’t add up to him being able to face the challenge of a Martinez or a Williams at a reasonable catch-weight, if it turns out that it’s just too far for him to go, so be it. I never thought that Monzon had to challenge Foster in order to be a great Middleweight, and I don’t think that Floyd or any other Welterweight has to move up to prove their worth, but it also seems a little different at both Williams and Martinez spent a large part of their careers at Welterweight. If not at 154lb. or even 152lb., then insist on 150lb. and off-set perceived disadvantages by forcing weight loss.
Still not sure, and I haven’t read below here so that’s shit on me, why Williams or Martinez—at a catch-weight—are so different for Floyd then Floyd is for Manny.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
catch weights are nothing really new. Good God. LaMotta fought heavyweights (and beat them) back in the
day. Those guys would move up and down the weight divsions like a yo yo. Today, it has become more of a big deal. IMO of course.
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by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really think of Floyd as a welter weight. I think of him as huge, fast skillful Lightweight. In other words, to me he’s already made those huge strides everyone is talking about. It looks to me like his head is on the ceiling. After this he keeps the skills but loses the speed, IMO. He did not look anywhere near as fast when he scaled in at 150 to fight a faded Oscar, and Floyd at the very least needs his tremendous speed to compete with someone like Sergio or some of those big honking true middies out there. He is a rock solid 146, and looks very fine training for that weight. Fighting for middleweight title at a catchweight of 154 would be fairly lame, but Sergio and Paul would still make it easier and be bigger, stronger and maybe as fast or faster. And southpaws. Floyd would get his butt kicked.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I never thought that Monzon had to challenge Foster in order to be a great Middleweight, and I don’t think that Floyd or any other Welterweight has to move up to prove their worth, but it also seems a little different at both Williams and Martinez spent a large part of their careers at Welterweight. If not at 154lb. or even 152lb., then insist on 150lb. and off-set perceived disadvantages by forcing weight loss.
I mean, I’m just saying that Floyd fighting at welterweight (though admittedly, until Mosley, against guys who weren’t really welts) has already made the big jump. Carving the middleweight world champ down to 154, 152 or 150(!) just to say you beat him would be ridiculous. As far as Williams goes, he is a Super Freak, Super Freak. He’s Super Freaky. But Floyd wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole when he was still squeezing into 147, so forget it.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
We could go in
circles on this as I see Martinez as a jr. mw who jumped up and could
come back down and Williams claims he can still make 147lb.
But I do see, and respectfully disagree, with your point about Floyd.
And Manny is smaller yet and blah blah
How about agree to disagree?
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it’s no problem. I’m just stuck on the whole body type thing. I read a book on it once. It wasn’t about boxing, but it changed my mindset about a lot of things related to boxing and weight movement. It can be done and there are plenty of examples where it was, but for Floyd I just see this tasty soup that is just on the verge of going wrong.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
"Tasty soup"
is very good. I’ll end for the night with that laugh.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it's worth
I am almost certain that Williams can’t make 147 comfortably.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost?
\Delta x\, \Delta p \ge \frac{\hbar}{2}
If we know what he can’t make, we can’t know what he can make.
by Don From Prov on May 7, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh?
I’d bet the farm on him looking totally drained at 147. As bad as Oscar was for Manny.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a very
weak attempt to give Heisenberg a shout out on a boxing site.
by Don From Prov on May 8, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Ted whenever you come back on, if BLH gets a radio cast going, Russ Abner would be a great guest I think, if you could help coordinate it. It really would be good to hear his thoughts about putting together a career, warts and all.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Paul Williams 8?
I don’t get how you have Williams below Martinez when he has a win over him? I think 4-8 are all close. I have PW as number 3 and I think he could beat PBF or Pac Man at 147 neither guy will fight him, too much risk for not enough reward.
It was such a close fight
he might have called a Martinez win
by Sweet science on May 6, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, Pug
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--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Paul Williams but if anybody at the top of 147 takes a fight with him the are dumb as hell. He has skill, can punch with 160 fighters and has crazy reach…btw he throws like 100 punches a round and is 6ft2in…he would be too much
Paul Williams is only 6’2" in his press agent’s very wet dreams. The man is at least 6’4 and possibly 6’5" considering some of the photo ops I’ve seen with him next to large athletes. 6’2" is just his manager’s way of saying “please fight my giant freak of a southpaw.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
That was 6’1". I think he’s really about 6’3 1/2". He towers over Cintron, who is a legitimate 5’11" or so.
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Excellent, Ted; just excellent. I much enjoyed this installment, which in my opinion may be your best yet. My only quarrel (a quibble, really) is with your placing Manny Pacquiao at number 1 over Floyd Mayweather. I’m a big Robert Louis Stevenson fan (hey, by the way, did you know he used to “summer” in Belmar, New Jersey and wrote a few of his classics there!?), but I’ve never heard that lovely quote about a “bird singing in the rain.” Got to remember that one. I know it’s no longer May 5th, but I just have to relay my Facebook quote of yesterday to you, from one turn-of-a-phrase guy to another: “Happy Cinco, but since I’m on a diet, I’ll hold de Mayo.” You’re obviously doing well health-wise again, so good for you, my friend. Keep up the good work.
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Hi Dan. You know, I don't do any facebook stuff anymore or at least until the Government finds the guys who are
infesting it with worms and viruses. They have cause two crashes on my laptop so far and both came through facebooks. Sooner or later they will get it right, but right now no anti-virus system can deal with it. Also, porn carries some virus (no pun intended).
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by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Top 10
Manny Pac is #1 I am glad to see Sergio Martinez move to a high spot. Saw him live with Williams and Pavlik and he is a treat to watch. A rematch with Williams would be great. Don’t know if Bute should be that high but he is getting by.
Hi Ken.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Margocheato
Ted, what are your thoughts mate on the scum bag that goes by the name Margocheato and on him fighting again.
If he had shown true remorse, I would have extended sympathy. Evry one is entitled to a second chance. But he showed
no remorse whatsoever. Therefore, I have no sympathy for him, Capitillo, or anyone else on his team. What he did was intent to injure. another fighter unfairly. He is a rat for that. That said, however, what he does in Mexico is of no concern to me.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If Martinez or Williams could and would make
154 lb. or a catchweight of 152 lb. I see no reason that Floyd shouldn’t rise to the challenge—
Except that he is Floyd. And he won’t. I’ve witnessed his act for a little too long myself.
I like Bute rated high because, to me, after the top two there are legitimate questions to be asked about anyone else in the top ten right now. I like Johnny Perez too. And Alexander.
Bobby Womack—“California Dreaming.”
A Black Russian.
Prov
Agreed , after 1 and 2 there are lots questions ..and debates to be had .
Biffy Clyro -“who’s got a match?”
Jack’n coke – obviously .
by Sir Jack Daniels on May 6, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted, why do you use Kid Blast as an alias on another site? Who is Kid Blast? I never heard of him. When did he fight?
He had a fight the other night . Blast ko’d a pseudo-Mexican guy called “Scumbo” I believe or was it “Dumbo” ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on May 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Scumbo is a bottom feeding piece of slithering, fetid slime who lives in a cold wet place where he feeds on roaches.
Aside from that, he is ok.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert “Kid Blast” Gallo, Jr. was a New York mobster who initially belonged to the Profaci crime family, later known as the Colombo crime family, and then the Genovese crime family. Albert was one of the notorious Gallo brothers who challenged the family leadership in a bloody family war. His brothers were Larry Gallo and “Crazy” Joey Gallo. I had a knodding friendship with him because back in the 70s, I worked in NYC and hung out in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn and in Little Italy. We were both jazz fans as was his more famous older brother, the late Joey Gallo. Kid Blast, back in the day, had a fiftyish way about him with the hair and clothes etc. Nobody f—ked with him or his friends. He was cool in an ubran (as opposed to urbane) sort of way.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant for Pug
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd is a solid brick of muscle at 146. Not a milligram of fat on him. Training even to fight at a 154 catchweight against a prime, 5’10 high, 76" long southpaw like Sergio would put some sugar in his gas tank. I can see him scaling in maybe at 152 maximum without ruining himself completely, but Martinez would make weight and walk into the ring a fast, left-handed SMW monster. Total mismatch as far as I can see. Floyd might get kayoed inside 7 rounds, through no fault of his own. Not big enough.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Agreed
I have no great desire to see that fight either. The Pacquiao for Mayweather (obviously) and Williams for Martinez matchups are far more compelling.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, but why does Manny as the smaller man
ring any more true than Floyd as the smaller man?
Plus, would there be real horror in watching Floyd get his ass kicked, if that was the outcome?
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you could make the case that they are both small guys who have found their ceiling and real good weaponry in the welterweight range, Floyd at 146 and Manny at 144-ish. I don’t think Manny should never scale in over 146 for a fight or Floyd should never scale in over 150.
Plus, would there be real horror in watching Floyd get his ass kicked, if that was the outcome?
Well, that’s debatable I guess. But it just doesn’t seem like a good fight for Floyd is all I’m saying. Some people have mentioned Pavlik, who just lost his title, as a target, but I think the quickest way to make Pavlik look good again would be to put him in against an welterweight who was over his effective weight, underweight for the division and seven inches shorter. And if Floyd challenged him at middleweight, Tall Paul would maul, stall and make him fall.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Okay, but why does Manny as the smaller man
ring any more true than Floyd as the smaller man?
Simply because Manny is a top 2 p4p fighter. It has to happen. It probably won’t at this rate, but it still has to.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to admit that I'm not quite with you guys there
-are Floyd and Martinez not about 2 and 3 p4p?-can’t quite see the logic, but that’s fine.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't mean to cross out.
Obviously=are not Floyd and Martinez about 2 and 3 p4p?
One (or two) vs. (one or) two.
And one (or two) vs. three.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Dawson is within striking distance of the throne, but nobody is talking about Floyd-Dawson. Yet.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Dude
It’s Manny Pacquiao, it’s not hard to make an argument that he is one of the top 10 greatest boxers who ever lived. Martinez on the other hand, has one great win but he’ss a loooooooong way off being comprable to Pacquiao in terms of how compelling they both are as potential Mayweather matchups.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I understand,
and I understand that 1 vs. is the most compelling,
but I also understand that JC40, myself, and at least 5 others world-wide would like to see Martinez/Mayweather, and #1 vs. #2 may never take place to begin with, and— in fact—I don’t see why one match precludes the other, and since Manny is that far ahead of Martinez p4p, and Floyd is right there with him. …
But i do see your point about the most compelling match (to most).
And I cede the floor on the topic to the honorable gentlemen. …
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see it a lot
But I would like to see Mayweather-Pacquiao about 200% more. This says absolutely nothing bad about Mayweather-Martinez.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 7, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd Pay to see that Don
I didnt pay to watch Floyd v The 38 year old Mosely .So what if Mayweather loses lets see him try and shock the world. Lets see Floyd fight a bigger guy ala Duran . Ali was a 3 to one underdog against Foreman . Floyd’s the greatest fighter of all time , surely a 35 year old middleweight – ex 154 pounder isnt such a threat . Duran was a lightweight and fought Hagler and Barkley .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Everyone thought Duran Hagler Was a Mismatch
Lets see Floyd step outside the box and actually challenge himself JRok. Id have more respect for the bloke if he took on some near insurmountable challenge and lost rather than doing his hyena imitation feeding on the small , the infirm and the ancient ;-)
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
JC40, I’m not saying he shouldn’t try. He’s welcome to try if he wants/dares to. I’m just saying I think it would be a mismatch that he would lose, and then a bunch of people would be standing around shocked saying “what happened? Is Floyd burnt out?” It’s like LaMotta-Sugar II. Jake was a great fighter and you won’t hear me saying otherwise, but he wasn’t anywhere near as good as Ray (very few men ever were). But he beat him. He was sixteen solid pounds more than Ray and it showed. How about Gatti-Gamache? 15-16 pounds is a lot of luggage down there in that part of boxing is all I’m saying.
Still if Floyd wants to try, let him go ahead and try. And if boxing fans and writers want to try to shame him into it, they should try too. Personally, I think it’s one of those rare occasions where Floyd would actually be somewhat justified in his “can’t I get some respect” attitude. “Oh so now you want me to fight for the middleweight title? Who I gotta beat after that, Chad or Wlad?”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Im being a smartarse
But he is the greatest fighter to ever lace em up JRok . Mickey Walker fought Schmeling . Even fat James Toney fought Blokes a lot bigger than him like Sam Peter . Bob Foster fought Ali . Langford fought many heavyweights . In reality I understand the business principles behind Floyds managements keeness on keeping his zero . If Floyd lost his ability as a PPV draw would probably go down the crapper .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I would’ve been fine with him if he just cleaned out the welts two-three years ago. That would’ve been a hell of a thing for him to do. A very good, thick room back then.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Exactly mate
If he’d beaten Cotto , Margarito and Williams and Mosely 2 years ago then I’d have to stfu and stop whinging . Thats my knock on Floyd mate , he’s never actually cleaned out a division . Casamayor and Freitas at 130 were harder stylistically then Corrales. Floyd would have watched Corrales v Garcia and drooled. Anyway I see Calzaghe wants to fight BHops again LMFAO Compared to Joe Floyd is the Duran of his era . Fight anyone anywhere anytime .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Agreed mate.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
That
is exactly what I wanted to see too, jrok.
I think that I desperately want the man to surprise me.
He should beat Manny, IMO. That’s his job as the bigger man.
Ah, maybe I just want to see him beaten, but I really think I just want him outside the box as JC40 says. It’s easy for me to want with another man’s brain cells.So, maybe I want him to shut up if he won’t step up.
Maybe I shouldn’t watch anymore 24/7’s, and then I should shut up.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I shouldn’t watch anymore 24/7’s, and then I should shut up.
It’s weird but I think that’s the difference for me. Sure I’ve seen Floyd’s antics, but I guess maybe I don’t really dislike him as much as some because I’m not watching him outside the ring as often. From what I have seen and heard it’s pretty clear he’s sort of a basketcase, but it just doesn’t phase me. His ring biz is all that I care about, and the hard truth is that he’s had four fights in three years, and that they were all gimmes (I don’t consider Shane a gimme, even though he was old.) Anyway, those who dared greatness would fight prime comp four times a year, so there is no comparison. As fine a boxer as Floyd is, his relative greatness will be judged on a sliding scale, and that scale is sliding uphill against him.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
speaking of announcers, i really really miss tim ryan and gil clancy from the old cbs show. ryan was always classy and never talked shit about anyone. gil is a weird dude but knows his shit.
hell id even settle for alex wallau and dan dierdorf. wallau was a jerk off and kinda the opposite of ryan but he knew his stuff. dierdorf was average at best but not nearly as bad as the hbo crew and gus johnson.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
EVEN SEAN O'GRADY WOULD DO JUST FINE THESE DAYS.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i liked sean and al albert.
i loved sean when he used to go “crrrrrrraccccckkkkkkkkkkkk” during instant replays
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
who waqs the guy who dressed like a female and was into biting and face sitting (???)
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no his brother.
marv is the biter. did some boxing on nbc though. he wasn’t any good.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
But still garners
respect in the basketball world, right? I think that was his big thing.
I don’t watch much NBA anymore, so I’m not sure.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Marv was great in basketball. But envisioning him in panties and a brassier and doing some REAL backbiting
kind of ruined it for me. Wikpedia claims he did long stints of face sitting. WTF! LMFAO
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait I forget, was he sitting on faces or were they sitting on his? Or maybe I don’t want to know.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
They on his.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yea he still does basketball for tnt. nbc cut ties with him around his sex scandal.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on May 6, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In the schem of things among sex scadals (Gifford, Gov of NJ, Spitzer, Jesse James, Tiger, etc) Marv truyl stands out.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Dierdorf was at least fun and seemed to be enjoying himself. That’s more than you can say for a lot of guys now. Most of them, in fact. It’s why I don’t mind Benny Ricardo on those Col. Bob PPVs. He’s not the most knowledgeable guy out there, but he seems to truly enjoy calling fights and watching them.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
plus Benny's perm is out of this world
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Heard Scully again
the other night on Classics: He was good. Scully and Tarver are good ex-pug announcers.
by Don From Prov on May 6, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope to see John in Canada for the Lemuiex fight in Montreal.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Clancy used to be very good
I remember watching Hearns v Duran and Clancy picked up on Duran trying to fight tall with a straight back straight away . Then Bang! He went down for the first time from a one – two .Good trainers pick up certain things straight away . Like the way Steward noticed Moselys lack of blance and strength straight away and he also noticed the strange colour Shanes skin was . He had the Roy Jones old man look.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Gaunt and shallow
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
clancy was great. he knew his ish. he harped on being Emile Griffith trainer too much though. it got tired after a while.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on May 6, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted – A fine club again mate .
We share the same thoughts about Wayne Mc. He’s had some great fights – not many could claim to have gone the distance with a prime Morales and Hamed – infact he gave Morales all he could handle if memory seves me (also I thought he won the first Larios though that one was through drunken eyes) . Anyway a hard old career combined with major inactivity at 39 spells possible doom for Wayne .
This tourney ain’t exactly the super 6 and I’m not saying for one minute that Wayne couldn’t win it – I’d be happy for him if he did – but knowing Wayne that will spur him on to try to get bigger fights and possibly get hurt . Hope not , don’t want to see that .
by Sir Jack Daniels on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
wIN IT AND RETIRE. a NICE WAY TO SIGN OFF.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Enjoyable Club Ted
Interesting P4P – Ward & Bute are a bit high for my money, very glad to see Dawson highly rated and also agree that Pac should still be no 1. Spot on with Ruiz he certainly gained a lot of respect over here for his courage – although it was a loss – in a funny way he still went out on a high note !
Glad to see you were on to Ward's connection to Conte and BALCO.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He trains using expiramental methods
Created by Conte, totally legitimate, apparently…
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Old Yank was ragging on Manny so I told him to rag on Ward.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't understand why one rule would apply to Pac and another to Ward Ted ?
I am totally with you on this – either the issue needs to be talked about in respect to all fighters (not just Pac) or else accept there is no evidence and therefore no case to answer.
Right. What pisses me off is that guys who should no better are throwing vicious stuff out there about
Manny and Roach. It’s all hearsay and bullshit that they make up and then spread as if it were fact. I hate that. Prove it to me or stfu. I will say that Yank has been very civil in his arguments with me.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record
No one has come even close to alleging that Ward is using PEDs. It’s just that Conte is not someone wise to be associated with.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
correct
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got back from the links, turned on the markets and saw the DOW was down almost 800 points. Holy shit. Please pass the Grey Goose. Actually, however, it’s a rare opportunity to average down.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
By the way, one way for Pac to address the “level playing field” issue would be to fight someone else and demand state of the art testing (as has Maywether). Then, after Pac dispatches said victim (JMM, Foreman,m etc), call out Maywether in the same manner.
Fight will then be on.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
That would be a very good way forward Ted
and a way out of the current stalemate – maybe they could call you in to knock a few heads together Ted – you could charge a 2% negotiators fee and I’ll accept a bottle of Talisker and one of Cuba’s finest for recommending you ! Come to think of it that is one of the very few times I’ve read on any site a sensible idea about moving the thing forward. Ted – you still got all the moves mate !
Funny thing is that I was into labor negotiations for a very big part of my business career.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Gordon Reid checking in via email
GOODTHURSDAYBRICKHAUSSCOTTCHRISTTEDSCOTCHSODACLUBSARESMRHAVEATAMPAFLORIDACIGARSCANADADRYCLUBSODA RAYGORDONREIDWAYCROSSGEORGIAJANUARY1/1/1955MYMUSIOLDROCKROLLCOUNTRYJAZZALHURTPETERFOUNTAINRERGULARMUSIC BESTTHINGATINTERNATIONALBOXINGHALLOFFAMEMIDDLEWEIGHTCHAMP1967=`1970NINOBENVENUTITEDSARESISOURINTERNAtionalboxinghasllOFFAME ANTONIOMARGARRITOVSGARCIAGARCIA
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
holy spacebar, batman
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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SPACEBAR
When Ray is in the house, the spacebar is inoperarable.
by FrankinDallas on May 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He sounds dreadful
At least, via computer. He may be very articulate in person.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That came out too strongly...
Just ignore me, it’s bloody late here.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
As I have explained on more than one occssaion, Ray knows more about boxing than 99% of the people I know. His grasp
of history is astounding and his predictions are usually on the money. He is alittle feller with terrible eyesight and has a difficult time using the computer, but he is beloved by those who know him.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He actually sounds excellent now!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 7, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
whew! That was a hard sell, mate.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 8, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. I usually do the soacing for him but I was abit tired after having been sodomized by the stock market today.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the spacing
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
here is is spaced out
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This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
Makes 4% more sense now
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on May 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Very clever stuff in there and very funny.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
Great Club
G’Day Ted great read mate and much to discuss. Glad to see your health coming good Bull. I’ve got the day off today so I’ll do one of my semi-epic responses once Ive drunk my coffee and pulled my finger out. Cheers Blokes.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Sheriff Ray is an Instituation.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Now that Ted is finished taking his Stock Market bah maybe we can get back to business here. I won’t tell anybody what I am drinking tonight for fear of my reputation, but needless to say I am prepared to get good and soused. Have beck on right now and am enjoying it. Sounds like a defiant wolf shot out on the arctic ice, suddenly moving in for the kill. Thanks DJ Ted.
Don’t much feel like talking about Valero. I think enough has been said about that awful mess. The Quiet Man, on the other hand, could use some talking about maybe. I know SOAP is thankful to see the guy gone, but I am curious if we will somehow miss him and his avalanche of press releases over time. He definitely did much with relatively little, there can be no doubt about that.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
My inbox definitely doesn’t have the same “what’s in there?” factor when I open it that it did before Johnny Ruiz retired, that’s for sure.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
It's really the first thing I thought of
Those damn press releases. As much as we made fun of them, it was kind of fun to make fun of them.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I'll be having lunch with John and his manager soon in Boston. Looking forward to it.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s great. It really is a shame to see him go in many ways. He was always just “around” and even though his style was ugly he was a worthy opponent for lots of very good and great fighters. Damn, I think it just hit me that John retired and probably won’t be coming back.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Tat market was down a thousand points at oine time today. Due to some mistake in a brokerage house. WTF!
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i’ll miss his press releases for sure.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on May 6, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI to all the great ESB converts we have here. The format is slightly different here at BLH obviously, so when a live conversation is going it can sometimes be tricky looking for the new stuff. If your logged onto a board and see someone’s name pop up from posting a new comment, you can just click on that name and it will zoom you right to the spot (It took me awhile to figure that one out myself.)
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
That or press “z” — that’ll take you to new posts and mark them as read when you’re done with them.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Yes
Pressing the “z” key is better and easier, but it takes good hand-eye coordination to click those names. But if you guys want to do it the GIRLY way be my guest!
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
no shit? i been pressing “c” and refreshing this whole time.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on May 6, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
I’ve never pressed C.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Never knew about that one
Shift + A is a good one during RBR threads and the like as well. Just marks everything as read, so you’re able to find the new stuff.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Z works
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
John
As far as that’s concerned, I guess he’ll always be memorable to me for his trio with Holy. Holy wasn’t burnt yet, and John took an ATG to 1-1-1. His second bout with Holy is the way I prefer to remember him. That was John at his best, and his best was a very good, tough, determined opponent .
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
well said and I can tell you that John and his team read these posts. His manager, Anthony C is a great guy, very
savvy and caring and also a super lawyer
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well, if so,
Cheers John on a heck of a career. I once rooted against you (as a RJJ fanboy, sorry), but eventually found my way to rooting for you (Valuev, Haye). Best of luck in your retirement.
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 6, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And they also smoke cigars in the North End of Boston which make them top mates.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
Carry on lads. I'm calling it a night. I played my 3rd round of golf in a row and I am feeling it, as I don't use a motorized cart.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 6, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
Nice lead in Ted
I hear ya – Saul Alvarez looks the business. 32 (or 46) fights and only 19 yrs old. No wonder he’s got that ‘beyond his years’ look about him. It’ s nice to see a fighter learning his craft by fighting . He could quite easliy notch up 50 or so bouts before challenging for a title.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Question
Ted I admire how much you know about boxing and I would like your opinion . Who do you think would win if Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather were to fight? I’m surprised this fight has’t been lined up already. Thanks!
It will be made eventually IMO and then I will break it down, but if your fornmed me to come up with a pick at gun point, it would
be Manny. He has the momentum going for him, though Maywether has carefully selected his oppoenets while at the same time keeping in tip top shape. The big intangible for me will be how much that political bullshit gets into Pac’s head.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted
As always, the way you set the mood and atmosphere up before you begin your “session” is a work of art. Almost makes me want to drink scotch and smoke a seegar. (And I do neither, BTW).
Cheers!
by Phill on May 7, 2010 12:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks, Phil Has Lefthook decided he does not want to post here?
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted
As always, the way you set the mood and atmosphere up before you begin your “session” is a work of art. Almost makes me want to drink scotch and smoke a seegar. (And I do neither, BTW).
Cheers!
by Phill on May 7, 2010 12:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good Stuff,Ted.
I have been looking forward to this column.The ’it’s a no brainer’ comment from your doc made me smile.
I am definitely one who found a new level of respect for Johnny Ruiz after the Haye fight.
All the best in the future JR.
The comment relaxed me even more than did ther Ambien. Actually, the whole thing happened so fast, I never got a chance
to really get upset or scared, though I normally don’t anyway. The very worse experience was the 100 minute ambulance ride, a reaction to ocycotin, and the hospital food. The funny thing is, I can actually feel a hole in my head.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen a pic of that hole and it is nasty looking . Yuck .
by Sir Jack Daniels on May 7, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, It is nasty indeed.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Read
Always enjoy Scotch & Cigar Club. My goal is try all the scotch you recommend. Also enjoyed how mentioned Berto not once, but TWICE in your Shifts. I know this was not an oversight because he is the f-ing man ;)
Thanks, buddy
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I did learn beyond any shadow of doubt is that a brain bleed = no more boxing for a boxer.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
I'm off tonight.
I’m off tonight, but I gotta work nights over the weekend….
I just hit the BIG 43 last Wednesday…..
I thought "Mayrunner-Mosley " was a glorified sparring match at best….. Figures…..
What else is new and exciting?
MR.BILL
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.
It was no woody popper, b ut few are these days.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Huge club !!!
Damn Midnight you covered a lot of ground. I like the utube inserts. Beck’s Balerro always takes me somewhere else, a good place. I’d squeeze Wlad into the p4p somewhere. Valero nightmare just really brings me down. I think he was full on schizophrenic, Jekyl and hyde. More later
Paragraph Experiments and other Musings
1. Pacquiao 2. Mayweather 3. Wlad Klitschko 4.Chad Dawson 5. Sergio Martinez 6. JMM Marquez 7. Andre Ward 8 . Tim Bradley 9. Devon Alexander 10. Ivan Calderon 11. Vitali Klitschko 12. Yurkis Gamboa Hope Ruiz enjoys his retirement , he gave the sport his all and was always in decent shape I just hope McCullough doesnt get hurt , he was one of the bravest fighters ever. .p(. Indented paragraph What do Dawson , Bika , Alexander and Bradley have in common? The are avoided and cant get a big money fight? Be interesting to watch young Lemieux next fight , his opponent is a spoiler. Best wishes to Nick Charles and his family and lastly Jeff Beck . Considered by many the greatest living electric guitar player .p(. Indented paragraph Great Club Ted , muchos gracias mate . Much appreciated and its nice to hear that your melon is on the mend champ!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Yet another high Wlad K ranking by a smart fan. Hrrmm.
I still think it’s weird, but I am beginning to crumble a little. Wlad is a very good boxer obviously and has figured out a formula to hit and not be hit. I’m warming to the idea, but my extreme prejudice against p4p heavies just won’t let me place him in the top ten. Maybe top twenty. I dunno. Regardless of what you think of the comp themselves, he has been fighting and disposing of top fifteen ranked fighters for four years now… and he fights three times a year… and it’s hard to think of anyone in his division who could remotely challenge him… and he’s not exactly slow, has a great jab, is in tremendous shape… Arghhh, I’m melting, I’m melting.
But nah can’t do it. Goes against my religious beliefs. Wlad doesn’t have to make weight, and that’s all there is to it (although I’m almost positive that if a Middleweight Wlad had to scale in, he would do it with flying colors.)
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
It depends how you rate p4p as well JRok . I just go on how dominant someone is in their weight division and what their overall record is like , especially quality of opposition . You could make an argument on those lines that Wlad could be number one .He is probably more dominant in his division than anyone in the sport at the moment. I remember Holmes and Tyson were considered possibly the best fighter in the game at their prime by many . Cheers mate.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Wlad is dominant, for sure. For me it’s just that he doesn’t have to make weight. Heavies are unusual. They are almost competing in a different sport up at max weight, the way I see it. Maybe it’s not fair… if Wlad was doing the same things down at light heavy, I’d have him high up in the list I think. I just can’t get around the fact that he doesn’t have to make weight, and balance himself in ways. SC and Brick will assure me that this shouldn’t matter, but for me it does. There’s never anything that he has to give up, and he never has to fight his body.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Well I might assure you it doesn’t matter, but it’s a valid way of thinking about things and I’m not really trying to tell anyone how to rank P4P since it’s not one of the things that keeps me up at night. The only time I’ll really, really argue is when people try to make it about how many weight classes a guy can fight in or has fought in. That doesn’t matter. Pacquiao was in the top two well before he left 130, his standing isn’t because he beat Oscar de la Hoya and Ricky Hatton.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I was just kiddin’ around. I mean I’m used to people jumping on me for this, especially back when Ring kept calling Tyson Pound for Pound #1. Heavyweights are just a different animal to me, and I judge them by separate standards. They are just competing in a slightly different sport in my opinion.
These lists do get a little ridiculous anyway, and I think detract attention from great potential styles matchups and fights when the mdeia goes overboard with them. Other than that, it’s just fun to talk about who we think are the best fighters on the planet. I’ve got a top ten, but I don’t necessarily put it in exacting order or anything.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
And Bute Too !!!
They didn’t want him in the Super Six,Ward refused entry if Bute was in,Bute already fought and beat Bika who is also avoided,Alan Green has ducked Bute for years,Steiglitz has so no twice now,AND Jean Pascal has avoided meeting Bute although he now hints that they may meet in the future.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on May 11, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
lmao wtf did I do wrong hahahaha
froching technology grrrrr
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
AND
I’m suprised that you have A Ward that high since the only real top fighter that he has beaten was a rusty out of shape Kessler.Ward went 12 rounds with Miranda while Bute KO’d him in 3 and that was done to an in the best shape ever Miranda who had gained allot of skills and knowledge according to Goosen before the Bute fight.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on May 11, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Wlad weight
Jrok, I took that into consideration too. There are not too many as large as he is, and being that large has almost always been a disadvantage, because skills dimininish with guys of his size in boxing. You take him, as a fighter, and compare him to everyone his size in history who’s tried to fight and he is at the peak of that pound for pound sample. So if he was shrunk down to 147, I predict he would have a super great set of skills. Now lets say Mayweather ended up being Wlad’s size somehow, I sure doubt he would appear nearly as skillfull as he does as a welter.
Jrok, I took that into consideration too. There are not too many as large as he is, and being that large has almost always been a disadvantage, because skills dimininish with guys of his size in boxing.
I’m not trying to dig on the guy. It’s true that most heavies with his dimensions would be uncoordinated and ineffective bozos. You see some of that type even in this era. It’s just that he is a heavyweight (max weight) and therefore doesn’t belong on these list in my opinion.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Small guys avd do things that big guys cannoit, because of their innate agility and speed. Ali was a bit of an
exception.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Small guys can
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 7, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Seventy one and your first time as a hospital patient? Scotch and cigars it is!
Speaking of tough – I took a look at Tiger Jack’s record and it mentions that two months prior to challenging for the light heavy world title in 1939 he was stabbed near the heart in a Harlem hotel after an argument with a scarlet woman.
The man fought 185 times in a 25 year career and retired at 43 – six months later Mr Fox suffered a stroke that completely incapacitated him. He died four years later, aged 47. Nothing Golden Boy or Money about this bloke. Ted, thanks for introducing me to Tiger Jack Fox, I’m glad to see he’s in the Class of 2010.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Actually, 72 and almost 73. My dad never was in a hospital and died at age 90 in a nursing home
3 months after admission. Hope I have his genes.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 8, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep getting Well Champ!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Thanks, matey. I have played 6 days of golf and am getting into fine shape.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 8, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't know...
that you were hospitalized Ted.I’ve been away traversing the World Heritage Hayes River.I almost missed this Cigar Club BUT I just caught it in time.I’ve spent a ton of time in hospitals.When I was stabbed and shot in the face through my cheek I spent quite a while in one.Hope you’re well now friend.Enjoying reading this thread and the comments as well.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on May 11, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, it was a close call. But the Bull is back 100%.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 12, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I read a piece of Fox in the ring in the 70s
Pretty amazing story . If I remember right he had an amazing amount of kayoes in his record . Tiger Jack was a bit more genuine a fighter than his namesake from the 50s Billy .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
He is in my book
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 8, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm heading off to see The Cult play at Melbourne's Palace theatre
Gretsch White Falcon + wah wah pedal + soaring vocals = killer show. They’re playing their classic ‘85 album ’Love’ in it’s entirety, including the almighty Phoenix, one of my all-time fave tracks. Saw em play this album 25 years ago at a gig in Preston UK and it still ranks as one of the best performances I’ve experienced. Blood thinning stuff.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Hey Goatie...
I’ve seen the Cult play live many times some good and some bad !!! the worst one was when the singer was pissed off that the audience wasn’t getting into the bands music as much as he wanted them to and told the audience to F off !!! She Sells Sanctuary is among my favorite songs from their playlist.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on May 11, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Billy Duffy Goes Off
Those gigs where a band does an entire album kick arse Goaty. “The Phoenix” ," She sells Sanctuary" ! The missus and I went to one a couple of months ago . The Pixies did " Dolittle" and it reminded me of seeing The Violent Femmes back in the 80s . The crowd sang along to every word of the bloody album . It was almost like a Yank pep rally .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Killer show
Place was packed ‘WD40’ lol. Pretty Vacant and the Stooges Search and Destroy belting out over the PA set the mood nicely. Duffy slayed the joint with that big ‘ol White Falcon, first time I’ve seen em with powerhouse John Tempesta behind the kit (ex- White Zombie, Helmet, Testament). Brilliant stuff. I missed the Pixies, wouldna’ minded checkin that out mate, Surfer Rosa’s another good ’un.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Waiting For Iggy and The Stooges to come to Oz With Raw Power
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I'm there.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Good to See One of my Faves get in the Hall
Dwight Braxton – Qawi . What a little beast he was at 175 pounds . A very skilled fighter as well as a scary one .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Goaty, JC...
The Cult… What a fuckin band!! Sonic Temple was an epic doozy. Ian Astbury looked like death! lol …Great call Goatsnake, nice one.
by Phill on May 9, 2010 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They played scorchers Firewoman
and Sweet Soul Sister the other night too Phil – hell yeah ! Closed the show with the mighty Spiritwalker. Fcukin brilliant night’s entertainment mate.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Nice one Goaty
Made up for you mate.
I want to see ACDC this time if possible. That would be a hoot.
AC/DC rules
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 12, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry bout my "french"
I should have abbreviated it.
by Phill on May 9, 2010 6:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
ted the bull , scotch and cigar club
ah yes , the gentleman delivers an eclectic mix of booze , smoke , boxing and the blues shaken not stirred into thought provoking fodder. boxings inteligencia , ya gotta love it…
Wow, you just signed on. bob digo. Hmmmmm. Are you Bobby D?
Damn, you are Bobby D. The pride of Hyde Park, Ma and a fellow warrior when we fought the tough battles. No one perservers like Bobby D, no one. This guy is the original survivor who was and is as tough as nails…and a great mate to boot.
Bobby, I’m in Dorchester tomorrow, but the next time I come in, you and I and Don from Prov will go to the Pugs luncheon. F——king A.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 9, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
Getting to the end of my cigar-time to punch in !
Punch stats mean shit if a boxer comes out and lays out his opponent in the 7th round after being behind in the punch stats. If a fan can’t tell who is winning a round by observing it, instead of relying on the Almighty Punch Stats, he should be banished to watching Mixed Martial Arts from now on.
Now that I think of it, banish Larry Merchant to Mixed Martial arts on PPV.
Give me a Pabst Blue Ribbon, and Jack drees behind the mike any day. The only time the guy spoke a word on television was in between rounds and an occasional connected punch that did damage. He made the fan feel liked he understood the game, and have to go into depth about the ABC’s of boxing.
My guess right now, Mosely sticks around to collect a few more paychecks against up and comers, and doesn’t realize the brain damage factor till its too late.
Great Job Ted, McCullogh going nowhere, but he’s putting too much out on the table if he continues on.
by BayonneBombersBoy on May 10, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
He made the fan feel like he understood the game,and
didn’thave to go into depth about the ABC’s of Boxing.
by BayonneBombersBoy on May 10, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Lampley is really into stats and they truly don't mean shit. Look, it's the quakity of ounches, not the quantity. Until they come up with a qualitative
way to measure, Compu Box means nothing to me except that it is a good measure of how many punches a fighter throws.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 12, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Wonderful List!
I like it. Manny is ranked No. 1 in the list. That’s exactly what most people will accept. Pacquiao is the only fighter left who, I think , can beat Floyd Jr. and I believe that he can send Floyd Jr. to the floor. However, I’m not sure whether he can finish him or not. Hope the fight can be made by the end of this year. Can’t wait!
Hi Nopporn
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 15, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
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