Paul Williams gets bizarre win over Kermit Cintron
In a ridiculous turn of events that probably just deserves to be dismissed for all intents and purposes, Paul Williams came out with a split decision win over Kermit Cintron on HBO World Championship Boxing.
In the fourth round of a fairly slow fight, just as the action was threatening to pick up, Williams fell to the canvas as the fighters tangled, and Cintron was hurled out of the ring and all the way to the ringside floor.
Williams got to his feet fine, but Cintron stayed on the ground outside. The official word for now is that doctors refused to let Cintron continue despite his own protests, but Cintron was clutching his knee and grabbing his back and lying motionless. It would seem that a "Seriously, guys, check it out, I can get up" might have helped his cause if he wanted to fight on, but who knows?
California state rules dictated that the fight go to the scorecards. Williams won on scores of 40-36, 39-37 and 36-40. Bad Left Hook had Cintron up 39-37, but it's pointless, really. That's a pretty terrible rule all things considered.
Overall, a wasted night at the fights.
Of Note: Tonight, HBO's Larry Merchant said that Kelly Pavlik would not fight Sergio Martinez in the rematch he has the contractual right to exercise. This is NOT official. Pavlik still has until May 17 to decide. Merchant may know which way someone is leaning, but it's not official yet.
44 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Well that was a bucket of suck….
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on May 8, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
on azteca antillon is having his moments where he’s battering the shit out of gonzalez, and there are other moments where its a good even fight.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on May 8, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
I just caught the last round or so of that.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 9, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Rematch
I had to cut out before Paul Williams spoke. After the right was he asked about, or did he address the idea of a rematch?
said he wants floyd, manny, martinez
shiatsu black belt
by Shnoobles McShnoobington, Esq. on May 9, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Cinton is cursed. Also, Merchant was at his very worse tonight. It was almost like he felt Cintron was faking. The insulting little p—ck.
This has been the most life-affirming thing for me, to know you're valued and then show your resolve to not just curl up and die,
--Nick Charles
by The Midnight Rambler on May 9, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
When he brought up Oleg-Hasim, it was beddy bye time for him. Acting like Rahman was ready to get back in there. WTF?
Larry needs to find a bar stool and stay put. Shit, they should get Sugar in there if they want “age before beauty.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Margo won by wide UD
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
putting together a FP round-up
Just so we don’t cross streams.
so to speak.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 9, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Paul looked a little off tonight for sure. I still had him winning, but he just wasn’t throwing anywhere near the volume he usually does. Maybe bouncing up and down in weight is finally starting to get to him.
At this point, Cintron will be best remembered for the weirdness in his fights. Man, the way he missed every rope on the way out was super weird.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I know a bunch of you refused to pay to see Margarito
But you missed the most spectacular Latina ring girls. And I mean all natural… and spectacular!
Seriously, Margarito almost stopped a standing target in the first but fought through ten for an easy decision. No way to tell really where he is after 16 months. I wouldn’t say rusty because his shots were accurate….. but now that he’s been dropped there will always be drama when he takes hard shots….which he always does and always will.
The Antillon/Gonzalez fight was my FFOTY so far. That’s Fun Fights of the Year.
But you missed the most spectacular Latina ring girls. And I mean all natural… and spectacular!
I caught ’em on the Azteca showing. Yowza.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Those ring girls could’ve been stark naked and miming the round numbers with their tongues and I wouldn’t have payed to watch the chump Margarito. Only a fool would pay any mind to that cobarde.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on May 9, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't know jrok...
These girls were so smokin’ they all but guaranteed that Margo wouldn’t have had any need to tamper with his wraps in order to get them hard.
Ask the other 17,000 fans who paid to see them live
That’s about 12,000 more than paid to see Cintron remain undefeated in his own mind
Come on. This is a pointless statement meant only to start some kind of argument about Margarito. It’s hardly surprising or noteworthy that two non-California fighters without fanbases didn’t draw a crowd in California while Margarito and a bunch of other Mexican fighters drew a good crowd in Mexico.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Well maybe a bit.....
but the fact is that Margarito still has a huge fan base and we all know you don’t need to be liked and/or admired (ie Floyd) to draw large crowds…..and sell lots of tickets
Paul Williams, though entertaining, is beginning to look more flawed with each fight. And no one pays to see him do it. Against Martinez in Boardwalk Hall in AC, He drew only 2,900 .
To make matters worse, his interviews are painful. I like the kid but a media darling he ain’t.
Williams has been at once horribly mismanaged and…well, like you said, just isn’t a media type. He never built a local fanbase anywhere. I mean you don’t have to do it at home. I understand South Carolina and Georgia aren’t boxing hotbeds, but look at Atlantic City. They adopted Arturo Gatti, an Italian-Canadian, then Pavlik from Ohio, and I think Sergio Martinez of Argentina is looking like he’s going to do very well there, too. He was exciting against Williams and did his thing against Pavlik. He won’t be Gatti (no one’s going to be Gatti in AC), but it’s a nice place to have as a base. Williams has never gotten that.
He’s fought a lot in California, but not consistently during the meaningful part of his career. He beat Margarito in California, Quintana beat him in California in a surprising, pretty good fight, and the rematch winds up in Connecticut. Then back to Cali for “eh” fights with Kolle and Phillips, then to Vegas to face Ronnie Wright, then to Jersey for Martinez (was supposed to be Pavlik, I know) and now back to California to face…Cintron, who had fought in California once and himself has no following. If I’m Goossen Tutor and DiBella, maybe I try to put him back in AC for the Cintron fight. Kermit was based in PA for years, and Williams’ last fight, though not a great draw, drew tremendous acclaim. But nope. Home Depot Center.
I don’t think Williams is ever going to capture imaginations, though. He’s a real good fighter, but in terms of marketability, he doesn’t have an X-factor anywhere. I mean, what’s his hook? He’s tall.
Mayweather can talk and is flashy as hell. Pacquiao was brought along in a sense with MYSTERIOUS FOREIGNER! aspect at first and then built his audience fighting the great Mexican warriors (gaining many Mexican fans along the way) and then in the long run, wound up a phenom because of his fighting style, which continually developed. The Mexicans and Puerto Ricans have great built-in audiences, but there’s also something cool, I usually find, about their biggest stars. Even Margarito just kinda looks like a cool badass dude. Cotto had that steely glare about him at his best, a “hitman” sort of look. Trinidad was cool, Morales and Barrera effectively split a great audience, JMM had the hook of being the guy whose hard work finally paid off. Oscar drew a female and teenage audience into the sport that had been missing.
You know what one of my recent favorites was? Fernando Vargas positioning himself as the anti-Oscar despite their great similarities. Both were California born and bred. Oscar had his stupid singing career, Fernando had his stupid clothing line. I mean it’s not like either of them was a new Julio Cesar Chavez, but Vargas successfully convinced people he was the man’s man and Oscar was a wimp and not a real Mexican.
Williams is just a really good, American fighter with no hook. He’s tall. That’s about all I can think of. He’s not a great talker, and he’s not a trash talker either. I respect that he hasn’t forced himself to be who he isn’t, though. He’s kind of like Mosley, except I won’t say he’s as good as Mosley was at his peak (or real close to it, IMO). Mosley had a lot of great things about him, but he just never was the big star, and he got better chances than Paul has so far.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Chad Dawson also comes to mind. No matter what he does, I don’t think he’ll ever be a star.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
That about sums it up, SC
As much as I have criticized Floyd for not really ‘getting the bigger picture’, meaning tempering his personality and language to begin to garner the larger cross-over audience a la Oscar, Tiger, Jay-Z, Russell and others, I am beginning to think, as limited as his urban following my be, that he has indeed done more with what he has than he may have otherwise. In other words, he has taken his otherwise borderline boring personality (and unexceptional use of words) and added a somewhat contrived gangsta’ flash….. and then packaging it in the role villainous badass that you love to hate. I’m not sure if that is the role in which he ideally wanted to be cast but he has certainly taken it to the bank so far.
We do live in a media saturated culture where marketing, self-marketing and advertising strategies have to be fluid. Floyd may be trapped for now in his role but his act certainly pays the bills.
BTW, I think a PPV at 1.2 million if that be the cases shows the limits of his appeal. In other words, he is not ODLH.
Paul Williams is what he is; the ‘poor’ country boy with height that he is not using and no hook to speak of. When I say ‘no hook’ I mean one, he’s no Joe Frazier and two, he simply provides little bait for a bigger audience. At 6’2" he is not Tommy Hearns.
In the end, I could not agree more. It is his managements job to manage what they have. Paul comes to entertain so if it’s a matter of putting him in front of audiences that will appreciate him….then they need to figure out who that is and build on it.
I suspect Danny Jacobs will end up falling into that category as well
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yeah, I can see that
Never thought about it before, but it adds up.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 9, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
True at this point in time.
But you could have written the exact same story for PBF before he turned into the bad guy against Gatti. He couldn’t fill the small room in the MGM when he fought Castillo, he never had a PPV fight that did anything worthwhile (Corrales was the only other one and it was not a big PPV turn out) until he got on the Gatti AC bandwagon that was eluded to in the previous post. And PBF does not have a crowd pleasing boxing style, but he has become a world class promoter of fights, now he is one of the all time greats at getting people to watch.
I think Paul needs to get a personality coach. WWE and politicians use them. It would be a worthwhile investment for him. Al Hayman should look into that for him. I think he needs to be like the down south Georgia rapper persona, I think it would work. He already has the broken English down packed. He just needs to call PBF a chicken and hope he turns in to Michael J Fox in Back to The Future and takes the challenge.
Still my favorite fighter and I would love to see PBF vs. Williams, would be a great fight if Paul turns it up and throws 100+ a rd, then we could see if PBF can get in and counter and take and give as much as he gets. I think other than Pac Man that’s the next fight I would like to see the 6’3" Paul vs. the 5’8" PBF that would be Leonard vs. Hearns in 2010.
Paul Williams
so much for the Floyd back-up plan they were pimping. Puts more pressure on Floyd and Manny to make this fight.
Vote Quimby
grab the ropes, kermit!
there’s something sleezy about cintron. he’s developed a reputation of manipulating circumstances. maybe he didnt know about california’s “3 round go-to-the-scorecards” rule. ouch.
this fight made me think of that sergio martinez/kermit cintron fight. where martinez knocked him down for the count and kermit complained that it was a head butt (it wasnt). kermit went the distance and earned a draw. now he’s diving out of rings.
other than his leg slapping onto the canvas as he fell, i cant see how he ended up groaning in pain. as if that hurt more than getting punched in the face.
(in any case, if he really did get hurt, i hope he’s ok)
The only thing I could see clearly is he banged his knee on the apron, and when he was on the ground, he was first clutching at his knee. Then they looked like they were focusing on the back, and maybe he might’ve hit his back on a monitor on the table. But even still, the word being that he was desperately trying to fight on and insisting he could do it is a little weird, because all we saw was Cintron lying on the ground and a stretcher coming to ringside fairly quickly.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I try to always show respect for any one brave enough enter the squared circle
But Kermit’s exit and refusal to move made me think he wanted out. I mean athletes in all sports are hit harder and are up faster; often with assistance but up nevertheless.
Kermit could move, so it wasn’t spinal cord injury thank God. I’m sure he knew that if he did, they would resume the fight. Lying there motionless guaranteed the fight’s end.
You draw your own conclusions.
I really think someone told him not to move
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I see no real reason for him to fake an injury here. The fight was in early stages, he was doing well, and he had already rocked PW a few times with his punches, so he knew he could get to him.
When he fell, he hit his shoulder and head against the edge of the ring…that could cause injuries in the neck, but it could also do stuff to his back and shoulders. He must’ve hit himself in other places after the fall too. Truly, I think he was in pain at first and the doctors just wanted to be careful and even though he protested maybe the doctors put some kind of scare in him like: “don’t move or you could injure yourself even further”.
It would seem that a “Seriously, guys, check it out, I can get up” might have helped his cause if he wanted to fight on, but who knows?
I know this is addressed above, but I think he actually did say this. He wasn’t mic’d or anything so it’s hard to hear, but at some point shortly before they wheeled out the gurney, I thought I heard him say something like “Seriously guys, I’m fine.”
He may well have, he was talking at one point pre-stretcher and he seemed adamant about SOMETHING, but of course Lampley and Merchant were discussing new nicknames for the Punishing Candyman Paul Williams or something.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 10, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Call him Teflon Paul
Not because he’s hard to hit, but because he always seems to come out on the right end of a close decision.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If nothing else
Cintron and his people must know from a PR perspective that having him walk out of the hospital and stand for an interview after leaving paying fans feeling cheated cannot bode well for his future marketability….or his credibility.
First, get your stories right. He was initially reported to have hit his head twice then his back…only to have Rubin say he was winded and wanted to continue.
Even BHop knew enough to get some zzzz’s at the hospitl and walk out the next day with his all clear.
Alright, come on now though. We all saw the back of Kermit’s head whang the apron on the way out. I’m not saying that it injured him, but I’m sure that weighed heavily in the minds of the doctors (and lawyers) present. The way he was motionless at first, what you had was a situation most likely created or at least exasperated by a bunch of people who didn’t want to get sued. I think this whole “Cinoton is a head case” thing is going a little too far. Yes! He is a head case, but in this situation it stretches reality to say he was trying to find a way out of the fight. It wasn’t his decision to end the night, and he didn’t invent the asinine rule that lead to the scorecards.
I mean, that’s what should really be attacked here, anyway. If a punch sent the guy out of the ring, sure, okay. But putting a W and an L on those guys records for what happened the other night is just stupid. Makes me wonder how many other dumb house rules are floating around out there.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
First, get your stories right. He was initially reported to have hit his head twice then his back…only to have Rubin say he was winded and wanted to continue.
Initially reported by whom? That was the HBO crew’s guess as to what had happened. Did Cintron or anyone from his team say he hit his head? If not, then saying he needs to “get his story straight” is flat-out misleading.
Cintron said in the interview later that night that he did not notice hitting his head.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 10, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I was going to comment this on the other thread but it's closed
In response to the “plausible answer” that he thought he was winning and decided to call it a night, it seems very unlikely. Sure, it’s “possible”, but if he HAD won the fight that way, Williams and everybody else would be calling for an immediate rematch anyways. Besides, I think he was doing well enough so that he wouldn’t throw his biggest fight so far out the ring, literally. I understand the “mental fragility” arguments… I do. But it just doesn’t make sense this time around. I don’t remember him ever saying he didn’t want to fight anymore and, especially, in a moment like this when he had found the right openings to do some damage.
Two things that I took away from this fight
were that Williams cannot use his height to control a match from the outside.
Not in his DNA or at least in his arsenal right now.
Second, Williams was reported to have weighed in at 152.9 lb.
Don’t bet your last penny that he cannot make welterweight. Though it might not matter.
At 147 lb. Williams is not likely to have to use his height: If you can’t hurt or badly confuse this man, he is going to hit you with about a hundred thousand whip-saw punches.

by 

















