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Bad Left Hook Fight Preview: Andre Ward v. Allan Green

Andre Ward and Allan Green battle on Saturday night in Oakland. (Photo via Showtime Boxing @ Facebook)

The second stage of the Super Six World Boxing Classic finishes up tomorrow night on Showtime, as WBA super middleweight titlist Andre Ward puts his undefeated record on the line against Allan Green, who comes into the tournament as a replacement for Jermain Taylor.

Super Six World Boxing Classic - Stage Two
WBA Super Middleweight Title - 12 Rounds
Andre Ward (21-0, 13 KO) v. Allan Green (29-1, 20 KO)

This is make or break for Allan Green. This is the big shot. This is it. This is what you get into boxing to do, or at least that's the hope. You fight the best, test your mettle, and see what's what.

At 30, Allan Green is finally there. His lone career loss came in 2007 at middleweight against Edison Miranda. Miranda's bubble hadn't yet been completely burst, by which I mean Miranda had not fundamentally changed as a fighter at this point. That would come after a thrashing from Kelly Pavlik. I am not saying Edison Miranda was ever a great fighter, but there was pre-Pavlik and post-Pavlik for him.

Green fought poorly that night, too. He was outboxed by the crude Colombian, and just plain made too many mistakes. He was sloppy and ineffective, and claimed the move down in weight troubled him. He did knock Miranda down in the eighth round, but was floored twice himself in the 10th and final frame.

After a win over Darrell Woods in July 2007, Green had surgery to remove 85% of his colon. Today, he claims he was at about 30% for the fight with Miranda. Since the surgery, he's gone 5-0, but against marginal opposition. His wins have come over Sherwin Davis, Rubin Williams, Carl Daniels, Carlos de Leon Jr., and Tarvis Simms, and Simms gave him what I thought was a much closer fight than the official scores (99-91, 98-92, 97-93) really reflected, scoring that bout a draw.

Green has issues. He does appear to have stopped staring at his feet randomly, but honestly, he's not quick with his hands or feet, not a highly-skilled boxer, doesn't stay busy all the time, and has shown he can be hurt, even against fighters of much lower caliber than Andre Ward.

On the plus side, Green can punch, and I have no doubt that he has the power needed to hurt Andre Ward or even knock him out. Whether or not he can keep up with him and have a real chance of getting to that point is another story.

Ward, 26, is a pure blue chipper whose only real weakness is a bum knee that I truly fear will shorten his prime eventually. Any doubts about Ward may have gone right out the window last November when he dominated Mikkel Kessler, a win that looks even better now that Kessler came back from that defeat to win a close and spirited decision over Carl Froch.

The real key to Ward's win wasn't so much that he showed his skills. We'd seen those. From an overall skills standpoint, Ward came into that fight more talented than Kessler. What he showed that most impressed me was a mental game that I didn't know he had. Look, Ward headbutted Kessler. Repeatedly. He did it masterfully, calling to mind Evander Holyfield, an all-time great whose best weapon may well have been his dome.

Ward showed a willingness to fight rough, and Kessler had no idea how to respond. Ward is a nice, humble guy for the most part. He doesn't have cross words to say about opponents, isn't a loud, obnoxious guy trying to play the villain. But he'll get dirty in there if he has to. It's a big wrinkle that can add a lot to an already good fighter. Meanness, I've said before, is maybe the most underrated attribute in boxing, and Ward showed he can be mean in the ring.

Now, on paper, Ward has it pretty much all over Green. He's faster, a much better boxer, better on his feet, a smarter fighter, a more tested fighter, and one who already has a marquee win, which Allan Green is notably lacking after 30 pro fights. Ward shot up rankings after dismantling Kessler. Thus far, Green has been best known for things he hasn't done. Ward turned the corner from prospect to top fighter in his last bout. Green's past "prospect," but not quite at "top fighter." He's in career limbo, and this fight is his showcase.

I can't see a scenario where Allan Green beats Andre Ward. If he does, the tournament becomes WILDLY interesting, as everyone in the tournament would have two points, except for Arthur Abraham, who has three. It would make every single third stage fight a do-or-die for every fighter. Frankly, you couldn't script anything better than that. It would be sensational.

But I just don't see it. Green, I think, can be a good fighter when he's on his game. And I fully expect him to be on his game on Saturday night. This is the biggest shot of his career, a career with a window that's starting to gradually close. But even if Green fights the best fight of his life on Saturday, he still has to overcome an opponent who is simply better than he is. If Andre Ward loses this fight, it will be because of one of two things: either Andre Ward had an off-night, or Andre Ward got caught with a monster punch. Allan Green, even at his best, is not as good as Andre Ward. I'm sure he's setting out to prove me and everyone else entirely wrong about that, though, and I'm excited to see him in the sort of fight where we'll finally, for the first time in a long time, learn something new about Allan Green. Ward UD-12

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Thanks, it’s PPV in the UK, I’m in the US at the moment. so I’ll try and find it on TV here.

by Phill on Jun 18, 2010 1:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Green’s facial expressions are ridiculous. Ward’s head shape reminds me of Kobe Bryant’s, and is therefore annoying.

by taco pal on Jun 18, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Very well written

Glad you posted about Greens colon surgery which I think has played a big part in the Miranda fight and maybe more recent fights as well. Not sure but I don’t think that’s something one recovers quickly from, especially someone who fights for a living.
You’re absolutely correct in saying that on paper Andre beats Green in every area. However, this is the theatre of the unexpected and anything can happen. Andre has always been a bit lacking in the beard and can be hurt big IF caught. A BIG if but I think Green is disciplined enough to bide his time.
What the heck, I will take Green by mid round stoppage!

by SmittytheCutman on Jun 18, 2010 2:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Green's Gut

Anything intestinal SAPS your strength something awful, and doesn’t get well that fast. Eighty-five percent it a lot.

by BoxzzAnne on Jun 18, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I hope you’re right Smitty. It would just make the tournament so interesting going into the third round. Personally, I can’t see it, and am going with Ward by UD.

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Jun 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Frankly

I think Green’s story is sort of BS, or at least exaggerated. He was back in the ring 3 months after he supposedly had major surgery removing a huge part of his large intestine. If he had that surgery, it would be 8 weeks before he could even start training, much less taking punches to the body.

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by Brickhaus on Jun 18, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weigh-in info

Unless another thread pops up I’m gonna put any info I have from the weigh-in right here. Last time the weigh-in venue had no wifi so I had to text the weights to SC. Hopefully they fixed the problem but I’m not holding out too much hope. Memo pad and pen for the old school win!

by Waldo Rastel on Jun 18, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Just got a thread up for it.

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by Scott Christ on Jun 18, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The stakes don’t come any higher for Green. His big mouth has helped him and it has hurt him. It’s helped him cuz him being so vocal about his omission from the tournament went it started pretty much made it impossible not to pick him if a spot were to become available. His high opinion of himself has also some what distracted from the fact that he really hasn’t beaten any one of note yet. He’s considered a better fighter than he’s really proven. His mouth has hurt him in that he’s pretty much put himself in a must win situation. The time has come for him to back up all his big talk. Lets see if he’s really the best Super Middleweight out there like he claims. Ward can weather a loss right now. Green can’t. He loses and he’s pretty much done. He’ll be out of the tournament and he’ll be looked upon as just another loud mouth punk who can’t back up his big talk. It’s obvious from hearing Green talk that he’s an educated man. There’s no doubt he’s aware of the rewards from winning. And the consequences from losing. I think he’ll fight like it. I’m taking Green in this fight

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by Violent Demise on Jun 18, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

As far as I’m concerned, a loss hurts Ward more than it hurts Green, to be honest. I think everyone really knows what we’re going to get with Green already, and I don’t see what more he can do; however, the expectations for Ward have now gone through the roof. If Green loses, he gets a title shot against Kessler in the next round anyway, and his loss comes against the tournament favourite. If Ward loses, his title is gone and he has to beat Dirrell – either second or first in terms of talent – to qualify. The way I see it, Ward has everything to lose and Green has everything to gain.

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Jun 18, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. Green’s a massive underdog, ergo the stakes aren’t very high for him.

by taco pal on Jun 18, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. And heck, who would you rather be facing in the next round out of Dirrell or Kessler? Kessler everyday, for me. I’d hate to be Andre Ward, fighting a guy as fast, as tricky and as awkward in Andre Dirrell, with qualifying not guaranteed. And in many ways, Kessler is a great style match for Green, because he’s just going to walk forward all night long.

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Jun 18, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

A loss doesn’t eliminate Ward from the tournament. He has 2 points. Green inherited nothing from Taylor. A loss and he’s done.

And I think Kessler and Abraham were considered the favorites at the start. Ward was still a question mark. He obviously became the favorite after beating Kessler

If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.

by Violent Demise on Jun 18, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but Ward is then facing Dirrell, which is a much tougher fight than Kessler. Green can still qualify if he loses, and he gets to fight for a title again against Kessler. I just don’t see how this doesn’t stack up almost entirely in Allan Green’s favour.

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Jun 18, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You make it seem like Kessler would be a walk over for Green. I don’t see it that way. Style wise I think Ward is a more favorable match up for Green than Kessler.

If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.

by Violent Demise on Jun 18, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t mean to make Kessler seem like a walk over whatsoever, and for what it’s worth, I think he beats Green. However, who does Green match up better against in my opinion? Without doubt its Mikkel Kessler, who walks in straight lines and doesn’t have great hand speed. Ward’s movement and hand speed, as far as I’m concerned, will simply befuddle Green all night. Kessler doesn’t present such problems.

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Jun 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ward KO 10

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Jun 18, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I can see ONE scenario where Green wins

If Ward is cruising and loses focus because he’s winning so wide, I can see Green landing a big left hook (his only really good punch) over the top, especially if Ward is fighting southpaw. If Ward gets hurt, Green can seize the opportunity. Ward has been hurt before, by Darnell Boone and Kenny Kost, so I suspect his chin is really no better than average. Then again, Allan Green needed a little home cooking to get past Donny McCrary, and he was really lucky for the fight to not get stopped when Donny was beating the crap out of him. So it’s not like Green’s chin is spectacular either.

If there’s anything positive to say about Green, it’s that he’s a good finisher. It’s the one time he truly lets his hands go. He’s too hesitant to win rounds though I think, and the Simms fight showed us he can’t deal well with slickness or a southpaw stance. I expect Ward to fight southpaw most of the fight to take advantage of that, and to outbox him to a pretty wide decision. I just don’t think Ward has the power to knock out most world class fighters.

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by Brickhaus on Jun 18, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure there was,

but I don’t know, so I’m asking: Is there a reason Green and not Bute was invited?

Sorry if someone has laid this out before, but if so I’ve forgotten. …

by Don From Prov on Jun 19, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Bute’s signing with HBO I’m sure was the reason why

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by Violent Demise on Jun 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

When the Super Six was announced

Bute was contractually obligated to fight Librado Andrade on HBO. Part of it is definitely promoter games though. Shaw, Goosen and DiBella are bigger promoters than Interbox, so it helps Showtime more to be friendly with them than with Interbox. Also, having Bute in the tournament probably doesn’t add much TV revenue. There’s conflicting reports as to whether Bute was ever even invited, and I honestly believe he wasn’t, other than that they might have put out some preliminary feelers.

Also, Green replaced Taylor. Bute wasn’t going to sit around and wait to be an alternate. Green and Taylor are both DiBella guys, so that keeps the contracts less complex.

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by Brickhaus on Jun 19, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s never been totally clear. I share Brick’s belief that Bute was never genuinely invited. I’d also add that Bute makes a lot of money fighting in Montreal against anyone, so I’m not sure Interbox would have been keen on the idea anyway. These promoters all took risks locking their guys into at least three fights. So far they’ve all become bigger stars for it, I’d say.

But as for why Green is here NOW, it’s that DiBella promoted Taylor and promotes Green. Easy switch. Honestly I wouldn’t have ranked Green as a better replacement for Taylor than Sakio Bika would have been, let alone Bute, but Green was very easy to get involved, and Bika’s about as reliable as Riddick Bowe, so I can’t blame anyone.

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by Scott Christ on Jun 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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