CRBR- Requests?
by Chaos100 on Jun 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT
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Since I got quite a good reception for my first ever Classic RBR (Hagler/Roldan), I thought I would put this post up.
Classic Round-By-Round- Hagler vs Roldan
That RBR was a labour of love: I love Hagler, I love writing about boxing, and I wanted to see how well I could pull it off after reading some really great work from Brickhaus and SC on the live RBR's. I chose that specific fight for the following reason, which is quite contrived, but absolutely true.
I watched, years back, a tennis match between Andre Agassi and Mark Phillipoussis (I never spell that name right. How annoying is that?). After the first few service games each, I simply couldn't and wouldn't believe that Agassi could win the match; the big Aussie was smashing that serve down so fast and so accurately that I couldn't see a way for Agassi to beat him. Agassi won the first set 6-4 (I think) and even then, I simply refused to accept that Agassi could win the match, that serve was SO big. From memory (this was about 10 years ago, I'd guess) Agassi won in straight sets, breaking serve at least once in each set, returning from about 20 yards behind the baseline. The refusal to allow that massive weapon to demoralise him, to consign him to defeat, was amazing, and I remember feeling an awe during that match that I've rarely felt about any sport. There was simply no way he could win, and he won. Unreal. I'll explain the slightly dodgy parallel after the jump....
So, as I said, I'm a massive Hagler fan. I was going through his record on Boxrec (where many an enjoyable hour has passed me by) when I noticed the comment; "Hagler ruled down in 1st, the only official knockdown of his career" next to the Roldan fight. I was instantly intrigued, as I was sure Hagler had never been down. I'd never before seen the Roldan fight, and went looking on Youtube, that most valuable and game-changing tool for sports fans.
As I watched the fight, I felt that same sense of awe creep in that I had felt during the Agassi/Scud match. Roldan was too brutish, too powerful, too bloody resilient: Surely Hagler had to fall in this fight? I already knew, of course, the result fo the fight, but I admired straight away the brawler in Roldan, and in the same way I watched Agassi pull apart Philippoussis, I watched Hagler battle back from a dodgy decision (the KD), and losing the first two rounds, and go on to dictate and dominate the fight, showing that his adversary's one massive weapon (or in Roldan's case, two massive weapons) were not going to be enough to defeat him.
I began writing the RBR for myself, as a labour of love. I never planned to show anyone, and was glad to be honest that I could read it back without cringing. I stopped halfway through, and read it back, wondering whether or not to continue with it. I'm not saying it is/was amazing, but when I read it back, I decided to let SC have a look, and see if he wanted to use it for the site. I'm truly grateful to him for his encouragement to finish it, and also his help in presenting the article the way he has: I gave him only text, and he created something a lot bigger from it. All the links, the photos, the 'bells and whistles' as he calls them, they were all his own doing, and I'm grateful.
Now, for the next part:
I am looking to write another Classic Round-By-Round in the not too distant future. I have a few fights in mind, which I'll name at the end of this post. What I'm looking for is a fight that is full of drama, of back-and-forth action. I'd like a "come back and win against all odds" style fight, or a real shocker where both guys simply couldn't keep their feet (a recent example would be Maidana vs Ortiz, what a brawl that was!!). Basically, I would like to write about a fight that gets people's nostalgia bursting, their pulses going and refreshes all sorts of pleasant memories.
So, I'm asking for requests. I cannot and will not promise that I'll do them all, and they have to be fights I can find the videos of. As I said, I have a few ideas, but my own preferences are not everyone else's cup of Earl Grey, and as such I'm happy to bow to a certain kind of democracy; if there is one that gets a resounding vote from a lot of people, and I can find the video, then I'll do it.
My ideas are:
Evander Holyfield vs Riddick Bowe III
Chris Eubank vs Michael Watson II (a fight I'm somewhat reluctant to do, even though it was a great fight, but one of my friends has read the Hagler/Roldan RBR and asked me specifically for this one. If there is enough support for this, I'd do it, but....)
Prince Naseem Hamed vs Kevin Kelley
Marvellous Marvin Hagler vs Sugar Ray Leonard (this one I'm again reluctant to do, even though I've been asked, since I love Hagler and don't like Leonard, I'd be tempted to score it a shut-out for Hagler. Maybe I'll leave this to SC....)
Mike Tyson vs James 'Buster' Douglas
So. I'll leave it to you guys. So we all know where we are, if you have a new idea for a fight (one per post, for obvious reasons), then name it. If you see a post with a fight you'd really like to see RBR'd named in it, please 'rec' it. The post with the most recs in a week, I'll do. Rec as many as you like, name as many as you like, but please, keep the naming to one per post, otherwise I'll not know which one is being recced.
Cheers. :)
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I assume you mean the first fight?
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I would like Prince Naseem-Kevin Kelley the best out of the ones listed though.
That was a classic example of how to stop a guy from jumping in and out during a fight (punch him in his face and knock him down!).
Haha!!
That’s really funny. :)
The ones I listed aren’t the only ones I’ll consider, they are just the ones that came to mind when I was thinking of doing another one, and two of them were requests from other people.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Damn.
I just realised I’ve left one of my list off of my list, so to speak.
One of my favourite fights of all time:
Tommy Morrison vs Donovan ‘Razor’ Ruddock.
For pure drama and entertainment, this one is one of those scraps I’ll never forget.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
by Chaos100 on Jun 21, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
that one is my vote
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by Scott Christ on Jun 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Though I’d love to see any of them. All good ideas.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well rec it then!! ;)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I have talked to Tommy about this one and he was very candid about how it ended.
He said that had it gone two more punches, he would have been gassed.
Pray for Nick Charles
its true. he was hurting pretty bad before he landed that left. he was about to go.
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-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jun 23, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
Morrison-Ruddock
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
prince charles williams vs merqui sosa 1.
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by sonofapsycho on Jun 21, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wha? when? i want to see.
its one of my favorite fights of all time.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jun 23, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If anyone can find a copy of it
I’ve ALWAYS been curious about Hagler-Seales 2. I have no idea if the fight was even televised (I know 3 was, but don’t know about the first two), but the scoring on the fight was just so screwy (99-99, 99-99, 98-96) that I’ve always wondered what actually happened in the fight.
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I'll have a look for the video.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
As for one where the fight actually exists and is out on tape, I think Benvenuti-Griffith I would be a great one.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
As would be Monzon/Benvenuti.
Or a sort of “Hagler’s trips through fire in Philly” piece.
If Ward is coming of age in the Super-Six, Hagler was really toughened in Philly.
by Don From Prov on Jun 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And just because it gets brought up so much
JCC-Meldrick Taylor I
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That's the one with the debated stoppage?
I’m not sure about that one, simply because;
1. what I have to say about the stoppage would be uber-controversial, and
2. jrok will slaughter me for it.
I am so adamant and believe fully that that stoppage was wrong, and unjustifiable, that I couldn’t refrain from really sticking it to the ref. I know it’s a hotbed of controversy, and at least to begin with I’d be keen to do fights that aren’t going to get me absolutely slated.
Also, considering the biggest talking point of the whole fight was the last 4 seconds (or not, as the case may be), I think I’d rather do fights which were remarkable all the way through.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I suppose I mean:
If I was writing a feature, I’d write it on the stoppage.
If I’m writing a complete RBR, then I’d rather do another fight, since 95% of what I wrote would be forgotten right away, and all discussion would centre on the stoppage.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
The reason I think RBR would be interesting
Is because I feel like people forget how much damage Chavez really was doing to Taylor over the course of the fight. Everyone knows about the stoppage, but it’s what led up to the stoppage that caused what happened to happen.
But I can understand refraining from that one. Another one that would be tough to stomach, because of the results, but was a damn great fight that people forget about was Benn-McClellan. I feel like if the outcome of that one didn’t turn out the way it did, you’d consistently see that one on top 10 fights of all time lists.
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I totally agree.
Benn/McClellan was another I was asked to do, but I refused point blank. I don’t know why, but the thought of doing that one is a whole lot worse than Eubank/Watson. Maybe it’s due to the fact that Watson has never held a grudge against Eubank, but MCClellan and his family hate Nigel Benn even now. I don’t know. I just always preferred the Eubank fight, of the two.
I found myself downloading Hagler-Leonard earlier…. I’m going to end up doing it, aren’t I? lol
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
The Benn/McClellan classic was my first pick Chaos.
Subsequent events aside; it was such an intense, emotion-charged fight – the atmosphere alone was almost surreal – rarely matched even in London. If reviewed by a sharp boxing mind, on a purely round by round basis, the depth of material makes for compelling reading. But I respect your call.
As a Hagler fan you must love the Mugabi fight, how about that one?
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
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by sonofapsycho on Jun 21, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd
have the most trouble with Hagler/Leonard—for a lot of reasons.
Horribly, I don’t think I could get past—“You should have brutalized him, Marvin!”
Shavers v Lyle deserves one Chaos
Best fight I’ve ever seen on film .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
by JC40 on Jun 21, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I’ve only seen bits of this JC but it looks dynamite. Shavers with hair!
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Clay Bey vs Ettiene
I forget the round.Where my pal Goatsnake when i need him.He knows the round.Also Mercer vs Morrison.Many of the Gatti vs Ward rounds are among the best.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Jun 22, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
6th or 7th I think mate
Damn good HW fight, outshone the Lewis/Tua main event completely.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Hagler
to Don.a conspiracy theory that many believe Don is that Hagler lies about his true age outside of the ring.Many have commented that Marvin is actually 8 years older than he lets on.Just thought that I’d throw that out.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Jun 22, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
they say the same about liston.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jun 23, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I've heard that
but I saw him fight as an amateur and don’t believe the eight year difference idea—
Someone saying they are 18 when they are 26 is a tough one.
And Hagler is no baby face, but that rumor still hangs on—
by Don From Prov on Jun 27, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted + 8?
A form of higher mathematics: Infinity + 8= ?
Is Ted God??
by Don From Prov on Jun 27, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
On the 8th day God created the New World – Planet Boxing!
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Lalonde vs Hamsho
is a fight that many do not know about yet it was a classic brawl with allot of give and take and featured some great exchanges.Not sure if it’s available on youtube.i can gaurantee that not many know of it.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Jun 22, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
I remember reading about this fight before Lalonde gave Leonard a good fight, but I’ve never seen it. The Golden Boy was a tough cookie hey Ghost, KO’d Leslie Stewart, fought Czyz at cruiser too.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
he cracked ray a with a few good rights and dumped him once but ray never seemed in real serious trouble. good fight though, i recommend it.
golden boy had a terrific right hand.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jun 23, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Jamie Moore vs Matthew Macklin
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
+1
great shout that,
Maybe Hatton V Kosta Tyszu
by Sweet science on Jun 23, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I have that one in one of my books. It was a closet classic. Maybe even a classic.
Pray for Nick Charles
toney-jirov
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 AM EDT reply actions
arrrgh
Christ, be careful here you don’t include one of my future ones? I’ll have nothing left to write. lol
Pray for Nick Charles
A fight that didn't have huge implications but was a really exciting fight throughout was Cassamayor-Katsidis.
That fight changed pace a lot and had a great finish.
nice stuff.
Love the “my guy can’t win this one” but then he does. just triumphs of the human spirit, cause you know they are feeling it somewhere inside also, but they don’t let it manifest itself.
go for the Chavez vs Taylor…as stated it was a great fight even w/o the finish. the rbr will illustrate the point on how much that fight did swing.
I won’t say do it for every rbr you do, but I would be interested in the many of the controverial and strange ending b/c so often the actual meat of the fight is forgotton. As an example I’ve grown hazy on the tyson vs holyfield mess. I know hoyfield was fighting him close to dirty and tough if not all the way dirty, but I forget how much work both got in before tyson blew up. I would enjoy reading rbr on that one. Just a suggestion.
So....
With an amazing 2 recs and a few other comments showing approval, it looks like Razor Ruddock vs Tommy Morrison is the People’s Choice. :)
I happen to be playing in the World Pool Championships this week (or until I’m beaten!!), so I can’t make any promises for exactly when this epic scrap will be ready for your consumption, but I’ll ge tto work on it pretty soon.
Cheers. :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
World Pool Championships?????
Wow, that sounds like some heavy stuff. Look at you! Good luck!
Yeah, I play the game to a pretty high level.
More of a cash player than a tournament player these days, and the degree has all but killed that off too in recent months. Now the degree has ended, I’m back on it again.
Just a little clip, for the hell of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-uRPcY4Gf8
Made by one of my friends a while back. That was the first frame of a match for £4,000 which I won 21-13. Good times.
There are a few other clips on youtube I think, if you type in my name and ‘pool’.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Supercool 100
That was a pleasure to watch, and I’m diggin that soundtrack . Give em hell.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
nice
Great music, it all comes back to Rocky in one way or another.
Damn--
The World Pool Championships? Very cool, an impressive.
And information to keep in mind if I’m ever in a bar and you ask if I want to shoot a little for $. …
Good luck, seriously.
by Don From Prov on Jun 28, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
late but
holmes v witherspoon would be a good one too
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
I'm thinking of Holyfield Qawi I pretty soon too.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I watched the two videos
(assumed you weren’t also the stand up comedian by the same name).
You are some serious shit.
Good stuff.
Anything with Charles Brewer is good as is the case with Omar Sheika. and Scotty Pemberton.
These guys were/are walkinmg closet classics.
Pray for Nick Charles
brewer had a china chin, spaghetti legs and nice punch. never knew what you were in for with him.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jun 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Brewer
40 (KO 28) -11 (KO 5). Lost 5 by SD-two in Germany. China chin? I don’t thinks so.
Pray for Nick Charles
lol yes very much so. look at his ko losses. not to mention all his knock downs he suffered. trust me, i seen him get destroyed live twice. he was dropped by harol graham a couple times, loonie beesley embarrassed him in 1, took a rebound fight against a shitty fighter and was embarrassed again in 6 rounds and dumped a couple times. dumped early in his career, rodney toney rocked him. veit dropped him twice, stopped him. is that enough?
he did manage to stay on his feet against the always deadly Ottke though
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jun 30, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
5 KO losses out of 51 fightas against tough opposition does not = China Chin. The loss to Echols
was a farce and way too premature. Your move.
Pray for Nick Charles
yea being blasted out numerous times by featherfisted oppenents like honeybee beesely a beyond shot fighter who lost 6 of 7 fights in rafael williams, a denish featherfist like lolenga mock, knocked down about 12 times total in his career, says nothing about his chin….nothing at all.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jun 30, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call Mock a featherfist
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