Shane Mosley fighting on, DiBella makes Sergio Martinez pitch
by Scott Christ on Jun 23, 2010 7:22 AM EDT
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According to Rick Reeno of BoxingScene.com, not only will Sugar Shane Mosley be fighting on, but he could get a crack at the world middleweight championship.
BoxingScene.com says that promoter Lou DiBella has made a "serious offer" to Mosley and Golden Boy Promotions for a fight between middleweight champion Sergio Martinez and Mosley. Golden Boy is said to be looking at a possible fight between Mosley and Sergio Mora, the former junior middleweight titlist. That bout has a target date of September 18 in Los Angeles.
DiBella would want to do Martinez-Mosley at a catchweight of 155 pounds. Mosley has fought at 154 several times in his career, going 4-2 with three knockouts, plus a no-contest against Raul Marquez. He has never looked quite as good at 154 as he has at 147, but at 38, the strain of making the welterweight limit might be a hassle. Plus, there really isn't much out there in the welterweight division.
Mosley (46-6, 39 KO) would in effect be taking one final big-time risk against Martinez, a tall, lengthy southpaw with speed, solid power, and serious craftiness. Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KO) is as hot as they get past Mayweather and Pacquiao right now, and he and DiBella seem to be without ego. Reeno reports that they have no problem taking a smaller share of the split against Mosley, and given that Martinez-Mosley would be a bigger money fight than Mosley-Mora, that could sweeten the deal.
I like the Martinez-Mosley fight, personally. I'd favor Martinez, but Shane's a lot more versatile than Kelly Pavlik or Kermit Cintron, and I dare say Shane's still more crafty than Paul Williams, whose bad habits were all over the great fight with Sergio last December.
Do you think Mosley would have a shot in this fight? I honestly do. Not a great shot, but a shot. It'd be remarkable if he added the middleweight championship to his career, and given that Mosley has rebounded well from losses in the past, I just can't count him out.
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I think this would be a great matchup
I’d prefer to see Shane fight Berto at 147 as I still think that’s the best option for both fighters, but Mosley/Martinez at 155 would be an interesting and acceptable substitute.
by soulrise on Jun 23, 2010 7:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i say close to zero shot.
not an interesting fight at to me either. ill watch of course but its shitty and lazy matchmaking
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by sonofapsycho on Jun 23, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Never count out Shane Mosely
I learned this long ago. This would be a great fight, and also i can’t stand watching Mora fight, that is one fighter that’s not done shit for his name. Every time i look up this dude’s getting another good fight, and without earning one.
by MasterWhiteTiger on Jun 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
I can’t agree even though we usually see eye to eye. If Mosley wins rounds in this fight it is because Martinez has taken rounds off. People who will stand and fight Shane are still good matchups for him, but not movers. This is why I like the Berto fight for him. For all of Berto’s perceived athleticism, he doesn’t use his legs much and his footwork is poor. He’d end up fighting with Shane and he’d lose that battle. Martinez will just dance circles around Shane.
he’s going to get his ass knocked out if he takes this fight
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by battle axe of doom on Jun 23, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
I think Shane loses, like everyone else here,
but he has the potential to make it an interesting affair.
I think he should fight Pacquiao, but it ain’t happening.
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That would be PR death for Pacquiao.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 23, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there's a good chance that if Manny came out and Hatton'd
Shane in the opening rounds that it would actually be a massive feather in his cap, and increase his leverage against Mayweather.
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Well the fight won’t sell the 1.4 mil that Mayweather-Mosley did, so it won’t help his leverage to go, “Look, I won quicker!” Mayweather doesn’t care who won quicker. It would be the third big name where Floyd could say, “That’s great, Manny, but I beat him first and sold more PPVs against him.”
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by Scott Christ on Jun 25, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, you've got a good point there.
But! The restrospective on their careers would draw a fairly clear difference between the two if Manny could get in there and fight him quickly. Mayweather’s all-time claim-to-fame as the best fighter in the world would instantly be challenged by people saying “Yeah, but there was this Filipino taking guys out in like a quarter the time you did it and you never fought him?” That’s where I think the leverage comes from. Mayweather wouldn’t be able to let it stand for his legacy. Bargaining power when discussing the purse split, you’re absolutely right. But it would do irreparable damage to Mayweather’s career/legacy, and I think that’s the most important thing to him.
I’m not even saying it’s a great idea, just that I’d like to see it happen.
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The restrospective on their careers would draw a fairly clear difference between the two if Manny could get in there and fight him quickly.
Yeah, but Floyd will rightly counter with, “I beat them first.” He can basically say he drained the life force from these guys, and whether absurd or not, a lot of people will believe it.
I don’t know Floyd Mayweather Jr., but I do not believe his legacy is what’s really most important to him, and even if it is, he doesn’t see legacy the way a lot of people do. His legacy is his money, his cars, how many units he sold on PPV, and more admirably, securing his childrens’ futures. At this point, I really don’t believe Floyd Mayweather Jr. gives a crap about Manny Pacquiao or a fight with him. If it happens with stipulations he likes, he’ll do it. If it can’t, he won’t.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Your logic is pretty much perfect.
Yeah, if Floyd doesn’t care about his in-ring legacy, then the scenario I outlined means nothing to him.
As something of a casual boxing fan, I have to ask: beyond taking a fighter’s cherry, is there much value placed on hanging a loss for providing a pecking order these days? What I’m trying to get at is whether or not the ‘industry’ or whatever really cares about losses 2, 3 or 4. It seems to me that after a fighter has ascended to the top of the hill (which someone like Mosley surely has done, heck he’s practically lived there since the late 90’s) that wins and losses aren’t that big of a deal any more. There are great fighters, and when they fight each other someone is bound to lose.
Just curious.
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All that matters is money. If a fight can make money, nobody cares what anyone’s record is and promoters will go to great lengths to gloss over any bad marks. I don’t remember anyone asking Shane Mosley any questions about his past losses leading up to the Mayweather fight. I did find out what he ate for breakfast and other such notable things. Fight marketing is almost never actually about any sort of analysis of the fight. Juan Manuel Marquez throws big rocks, Floyd Mayweather’s dad gets Taco Bell, Ricky Hatton takes his pants off, Manny Pacquiao shakes hands with Mark Wahlberg, yada yada yada. Once a guy has lost his “0,” if he can come back from that, it never matters. In a way, that’s how it should be, but promoters still protect the “0” too much. DiBella and Andre Berto are currently a case of this, even though they did intend to fight Shane Mosley in January. Berto is doing nothing for his visibility or career prospects with stuff like the Quintana fight or trying to land a fight with Alfonso Gomez. But that’s another ball of wax I suppose.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No Way
If Pacqauiao entertains the thought of ever fighting Mosley now after he was just ripped to shreds by Mayweather, you can say bye bye legacy for Pacqauio.
that's a bit of an exagerration. lol
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I don’t think I can bear to watch Mosley fight anybody again after he tried to impersonate a giant vibrating sex toy againt Mayweather. Martinez deserves better and so do the fans. I’d rather see Sergio fight Cotto. I still believe Mosley and Clottey should have to fight each other off TV for no pay out of punishment for being uncompetitive, unexciting, scab workers who only show up for a check.
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Shane came to fight, Clottey didn't
Shane came to fight, he just got out boxed by the better boxer. Clottey on the other hand, I dont know what to say about him……. I respect the sport of boxing and have too much faith in it to assume that he took a dive, but man he still has me wondering.
He did not take a dive. He just has no tools to counter something like Pacquiao effectively.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 23, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Clottey has a hard enough time letting his hands go on a good night
Against Cotto, he was two rounds from an upset with an injured fighter standing in front of him and he couldn’t/wouldn’t pull the trigger.
Against Pacquiao, the incoming fire was so relentless (and painful) he just flat out clammed up.
No way he took a dive anymore than Shane did after the third round. they were both beaten into standing submission.
I would rather see Mosley fight Berto, which was his original plans.
I think Berto would be more active, but Mosley would be able to out think him in the ring and should get the victory. I watched the Berto-Quintana fight and even though Berto won, he made way too many mistakes. If he was fighting a better fighter they would have exposed them.
A shot at the middleweight championship and about a 3 million + pay check I don’t blame Mosley one bit for seeking this fight. But after hearing Mosley slurring his words after the Mayweather fight, I no longer have any desire to see him fight again. But me wanting and me getting are 2 different things. So if it happens I’m sure I’ll watch it
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I think Mosley has a shot
Martinez does make some mistakes and Mosley can capitalize on them. Martinez looked really good against Pavlik, but that was a horrible fight for Pavlik to take and it went exactly like most people thought it would. Martinez got hit a lot by Williams and got caught a few times by Cintron as well. I wouldn’t bet on Mosley to win, but he’s got more of a shot than a lot of people are giving him, IMO.
This may be a good fight for providing for Shane's retirement.
And the very same one likely to get him there fastest.
I’d favor Martinez too but not as much as some here are suggesting. Mosley’s experience and power could still help him find a way to win. I’d say more like 2.5 to 1 odds, as opposed to jrok’s 10 to 1.
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As long as Mosley doesn’t have to match Martinez’s speed, this will be a tight match. I think a lot of the jitters that Mosley had in the fight came from the fact he was anxiously try to find a way through the Mayweather defense. Not gonna have that problem with Martinez. If Tall Paul can regularly get to Martinez, then so can Mosley. Being able to let the hands go is going to give Mosley at least a little bit of rhythm. I’m not going to say that Mosley is going to win the fight, but he certainly is going to look at lot better than most people think, at least in this post.
by Waldo Rastel on Jun 25, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Shane looks a little cooked to me. His speed is basically gone, and he won’t be able to reach Martinez the way Paul does with those long oars mounted on his shoulders. Yeah, yeah, Paul doesn’t use his height and length well enough, but when you’re that huge and a fellow southpaw it doesn’t really matter.
Shane has practically no chance of getting to him these days… Sergio is not a punching bag like Margs or a face-first brawler like Mayorga. He can move, and is left handed and is very quick.
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Nah,
better fights out there for Sergio.
Maybe one of the times I’d agree with “rewards vs. risks” thinking.
better fights out there for Sergio.
Like what? The middleweight division is awful and 154 isn’t much better. Outside of a Williams rematch or a fight with Floyd, there isn’t anything I can think of that I’d rather see than Sergio-Shane. There are fights I’d be perfectly happy to see, but nothing that’s notably more interesting for me. I’m not chomping at the bit to see Sergio-Sebastian Sylvester or Sergio-Cintron II.
But I’m also a huge Mosley fan and find the idea of him taking a crack at the middleweight championship interesting. He’s not a LOT smaller than Martinez and I think the styles could actually make for a very good fight. Your mileage may vary and all that.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It wouldn’t sell but as far as a competitive fight goes,Martinez v Dzindziruk would be more than adequate,imo.
I don’t see Shane as a very dangerous challenger to Martinez at this stage of his career and Shane has always performed best at 147 but maybe seen as Martinez has had two hard fights in a row,he deserves a slightly easier one.
Martinez-Dzinziruk would be interesting and I’d be happy to watch it.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 25, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well SC,
you just named them. Fight whichever he can and then look for a “easy” defense with Angulo.
Kirkland after he has a few comeback fights. I like those match-ups myself.
At the rate folks fight today, you have at least two years right there.
Maybe I’m just not as interested in seeing how Martinez/Shane would play out.
by Don From Prov on Jun 25, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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