Mandatory Eight Count - Climbing the Ratings
by Brickhaus on Jun 24, 2010 9:47 AM EDT
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Ring Ratings Update: Bute still No.1 at super middleweight | Ring Magazine
This one's bound to cause a bit of a stir, although I personally agree with them. Amond Ward and Bute, Ward by far has the best win. But overall, I feel Bute still has the much deeper resume. Quality of wins, in my opinion, runs in this order: Kessler (Ward), Andrade (Bute), Andrade (Bute), Bika (Bute), Green (Ward), Berrio (Bute), Zuniga (Bute), Miranda (Both). Bad Left Hook has officially kept Bute at number 1 as well, although if Ward defeats Andre Dirrell in the next round of the Super Six, it would be tough to keep him at #2. Elsewhere, in his blog, Dan Rafael (who has Ward up top) expressed that the road to a championship at super middleweight will still need to go through Bute, as long as he keeps winning.
Juan Manuel Lopez would face Rafael Marquez in September if Lopez wins in July | ESPN
Juan Manuel Lopez and Rafael Marquez will meet Sept. 18 in a Showtime main event at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, their handlers told ESPN.com, if Lopez wins a fight already scheduled for next month and comes out healthy. I called this one almost exactly back when Bob Arum was promising a fight between Lopez and Yuriorkis Gamboa, predicting that it would be a LONG time before the fight happens, that he'd set up Lopez to fight the Marquez-Vazquez IV winner, and that he'd set up Gamboa to fight Cristobal Cruz, the weakest of the other titlists. Well, here's Lopez against Marquez, and Salido beat Cruz (and is a Top Rank fighter). After this round of build-up, however, the Bobfather better get on with it - we need Lopez, Gamboa and Caballero to start fighting each other already.
Universum Update; Levin vs Daniels; Golovkin-Nunez | Boxing Scene
Some good German updates via Per Ake Persson. Gennady Golovkin's opponent for a vacant middleweight title with be a truly pathetic choice, Milton Nunez, a Colombian who's only faced three fighters with winning records. That bout will be in Mexico and likely aired on Top Rank Live, giving U.S. fans their first exposure to Golovkin, who's sure to be near the top of the middleweight scene for a while. Also, Universum has made for it's final show on ZDF a bout between Khoren Gevor and Dmitri Sartison in an ill-advised of the smallish and light hitting Gevor up to super middleweight.
Star Boxing Announces Tua-Barrett to Be Shown Live On PPV | Press Release
The show, billed as, T-N-T at the Tropicana, is scheduled for twelve rounds and will be for Tua's minor WBO titles. So far, the undercard has not been set, and the bout will be going head to head with Bradley-Abregu / Angulo-Alcine on HBO, as well as Montiel-Concepcion / Casimero-Hirales on Fox Sports Net. I doubt this generates too much interest outside of hardcore Tua fans, as a strong wind could knock out Barrett these days.
Duddy ready for lion's den I Independent.ie
The Independent argues that THIS is the big one, the real deal, the defining moment of John Duddy's career. If he wins this one, there could be an ever bigger one, though.
Shelly Finkel leaving boxing management | ESPN
Shelly Finkel, one of the most powerful managers in boxing for the past 30-plus years, is leaving behind management in a surprising move and returning to music promotion, which is where he got his start. In his new position as CEO of Empire Sports, he may also be doing some boxing promoting. This is a huge hit for a number of fighters, as Finkel was one of the preeminent managers out there.
From Cuba to Cork the hard way | Tribune Sport
A great profile of Mike Perez, Alexei Acosta and Luis Garcia, three Cuban prospects who defected and wound up all the way in Ireland.
Boxer Eamonn Magee is jailed for assault | BBC News
Former world boxing champion Eamonn Magee is jailed for 12 months for an assault on his ex-partner. In other news, the sun rose this morning, and M. Night Shyamalan's new movie has a twist.
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Tyson Fury has weighed in at 270 lbs.
He’s also stated that he’ll retire if he loses, which would be a shame, because it’s always fun knowing you’re watching a fighter who’s punched himself in the face.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
That's way too high
Even for a guy who’s 6’7" or so. I have to question how good his endurance will be at that weight.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah, its gross.
Considering how heavily he was breathing by the 10th in the first McDermott fight, I can’t see him surviving another 10. If McDermott is motivated, he wins this fight, simple as. Fury has no discernable talents, as far as I’m concerned, and to turn up at 270 is abhorrent. Even Chris Arreola bothers to fight at a (slightly) lower weight.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Jun 24, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know, the raw statistic just amuses me! Fury’s hands are slow though – really slow – whereas Arreola has a bit of speed and a lot more pop. I just don’t see how Fury can get away with it. Plus he’s a twat, whereas Arreola’s at least a good guy.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Jun 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Arreola's fat is harder and more compact (??!!). He is built more like a shmoo--where as Fury is a slob.
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Pray for Nick Charles
From what I'm hearing
Most of Fury’s added weight is muscle. But 270 is still too big. IMO, muscle bulk is more detrimental than helpful in boxing, even for heavyweights. Big muscles use up big amounts of oxygen and lead to stamina issues.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Are they releasing pictures?
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Jun 24, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a video on youtube
But I can’t watch it where I am
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Differnt subject,
One thing that Bute might find advantage in when and if he faces Ward—
Power—lack of on Andre’s part, and one punch potential on Bute’s.
Ring #1 at 168
It is hard to argue against either guy being ranked #1 right now. My only quibble with the breakdown of quality wins is counting as a quality win Bute’s gift in the first Andrade fight. Also, I agree that if Ward beats Dirrell (which I think he will), that breakdown will change to Kessler (Ward); Dirrell (Ward), etc. Ward would have beaten two out of the top six at 168, whereas Bute wouldn’t have even one win like that (Top six are Ward, Bute, Dirrell, Abraham, Kessler, Froch)
If you think Bute lost to Andrade in the first fight
Then it would be obvious for such a person to have Ward at #1. Neither I nor Scott thought he lost that fight. He was about 10 seconds away from losing, but he was on his feet before the count of 10 and after the final bell rang. About equivalent of John-Juarez II. If the fight was 15 seconds longer, Juarez might have won, but as it was, John clearly won the fight.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It's not quite fair for me to say he lost...
… but I’m not willing to give him as much credit as I otherwise would. I can say pretty confidently that Ward is savvy enough never to get caught like that in the 12th, and the fact that it happened to Bute gives me pause. Either way, I think they’re clearly 1-2, and very close. I hope Bute keeps winning fights and Ward gets through the tournament unscathed so that we can see a huge Bute-Ward fight for the unified title.
Bute didn’t really get caught by anything in that fight. He just got tired from pacing himself poorly. Andrade never really hit him with anything all that big, and when he went down he looked more exhausted than “hurt”.
I could be wrong, but as far as I’m aware, Bute doesn’t have a history of stamina problems, so it may have been an isolated occurrence caused by a strategic mistake.
That will be the point: Was the
exhaustion an isolated case or is Bute’s endurance going to be a problem at some point.
Always good to keep a fight like that (somewhere) in mind, IMO.
Until it clearly no longer applies.
by Don From Prov on Jun 25, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
His endurance hasn’t been tested since then. I know he’s changed up his workout routine since then, so hopefully it doesn’t end up being an issue.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Conspiracy fury?
Do those two words make any sense together? “Fury’” lends itself to plenty of more natural event titles.
But
it’s boxing. Do they need to make sense?
by Don From Prov on Jun 25, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are dead wrong on Fury. Not that he’s even really a prospect, but he looks fantastic physically at 270. Go look for video. He doesn’t look like a woman anymore. He actually looks male and fit.
Now to cheer for him to be KO’d in the 1st so I don’t have to hear about him anymore. He’s the least impressive “prospect” with hype I’ve ever seen.
ugh i think juanma was an HBO fighter. no way for me to watch rafy whup his ass
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by battle axe of doom on Jun 25, 2010 12:53 AM EDT reply actions
I think Marquez stops him as well
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Jun 25, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure about that. I give JuanMa a fairly good shot at beating Rafa, probably around 2 to 1.
by Waldo Rastel on Jun 25, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Juanma beats this version of Rafael
Maybe even any version. Juanma’s a lot bigger to start with. Then again, I don’t think Lopez has looked all that sharp his last few fights.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I might be with you on this one. If Rafa can lure him into a brawl all bets are off. I really like Lopez, but he’s been iffy in his last few and Marquez can still bang, even at 126. This isn’t Steven Luevano’s pitty-patty punching or Rogers Mtagwa’s pier-sixin’. Rafael is accurate and punches hard.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jun 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think this is a good fight for Juanma. It makes sense for his career. It’s not an easy fight by any means, but it is a winnable fight for him. It will also show us if he learned from his mistakes against Mtagwa. If he wins, he will have a real good name on his resume and maybe Bob Arum will stop babying him.
Lopez is fighting Bernabe Concepcion on Showtime on July 10.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jun 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
so hbo buildhim up, he gets a title at 126 where he can any number of badasses, and they let him go to a rival network one fight before his biggest throwdown?
also, my hatred for th marquez clan is well known, but rafy is mexican and JML is puerto rican so i’m inclined to root for rafy. i think this fight will be a FOTY contender though
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by battle axe of doom on Jun 25, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
HBO is in a win-win, really. They’ll have Lopez-Gamboa, if that fight holds up, and if it doesn’t, then they didn’t spend money on fights like Lopez-Concepcion. Plus it’s win-win for Showtime since they get another big fight for Rafa.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jun 25, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
good point. just figured that JML has a good chance of losing to rafy, and that gamboa fight would go down the toilet and showtime and keep on riding the rafy train whereas HBO has yet another “rising star” on a comeback trail
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by battle axe of doom on Jun 26, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Arum risking JML against Marquez seems really risky to me, too. I mean I’m THRILLED to possibly have that fight, don’t get me wrong. And Bob is probably getting advice from Bruce Trampler or somebody who really sees Lopez whomping Marquez for what would be Lopez’s biggest win to date. But personally I don’t see it. Then again Bruce Trampler is a famous matchmaker who is great at his job and I’m a jackass on a blog.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
How can anybody have hatred for the Marquez brothers
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Jun 25, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re kinda whiny. I mean I love the brothers, but that’s how.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty much what SC said except i don’t think of them as “kinda” whiny. in just about every interview i’ve seen with either one they bitch about any sort of thing. now i know you think that JMM dominated both pacquiao fights, but they were close fights. JMM goes on and on as if he was flat out robbed, and brings it up every time he has a mic in his face. i haven’t seen too much of rafy, but the way he and nacho (who i also hate) kept crying about the LEGIT knockdown pissed me off. hall of fame fighters & i respect the hell out of em, but they’re a bunch of whiny douches.
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by battle axe of doom on Jun 26, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
So, in regards to Gamboa,
it’s supposedly Salido on Sept. 11 due to his cut in training but they’re trying to get something set up with Rojas instead? And then Caballero’s best shot at a title will be from Salido later this year? I’m not really sure why I even care to figure it out, it’ll change again next month.
The show, billed as, T-N-T at the Tropicana, is scheduled for twelve rounds and will be for Tua’s minor WBO titles.
12 rounds. Right. I’ll say right now (and will repeat it again later) that anyone who pays for this for any reason other than to see Tua knock Barrett stiff inside of two minutes is a complete fool. If you want to pay for Tua to knock Barrett stiff inside of two minutes, though, that’s fine.
I doubt this generates too much interest outside of hardcore Tua fans, as a strong wind could knock out Barrett these days.
Yeah. But not Alexander Ustinov.
I really find Tua-Barrett to be disgusting matchmaking, but I’m also pretty sick of David Tua’s scrub-waxing song and dance he’s had going on for the last five years.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
FWIW, I have Ward over Bute in my meaningless little ranking. The Kessler win was the most significant of the bunch, and I think Ward would beat him on points.
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I agree that the level of Mikkel Kessler is nowhere near the level of Andrade/Bika/etc. Maybe its the recent rash of overhyped prospects but I tend not to put too much stock in a fighter until they have faced elite level competition.
by Waldo Rastel on Jun 27, 2010 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions
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