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More discussions in the welterweight merry-go-round

Floyd Mayweather Jr. and his advisor Leonard Ellerbe are reported to still be in talks to face Manny Pacquiao.  Things are quiet for the time being, and that's probably a good thing. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images)

With the two top fighters in the world both campaigning at welterweight and having left a trail of destruction in their wake, the division continues to be a focal point in developing big fights.  If we reported every piece of "news" about fights that might be made in the weight class, the site would just become a repository for Pacquiao-Mayweather rumors, especially considering that there have been few, if any, reliable reports on what might be happening in their negotiations.  However, as the world sits still waiting for a fight between the two top pound-for-pound boxers in the world, the rumor mill keeps churning.  Here's a roundup of some recent events.

  • Depending on who you want to listen to, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao may or may not be negotiating for a big fight at the end of this year.  At one point, there was a quote from Oscar De La Hoya that a deal was close, but they now say that quote was taken out of context.  Some reports say that Mayweather is now insisting on a 60/40 split, which is probably a deal killer.  Also, Mayweather is sticking to his guns on the drug testing issue, and may be backing away from a reported $10 million overweight penalty.  The only official word, however, is that negotiations are ongoing.   Chances are, the quieter the parties are, the closer they are to hammering out a deal.  If everyone had left their dirty laundry in the house during the first negotiation, then the parties wouldn't have ended up in an untenable position where neither guy could back down without losing face.  In related news, Bob Arum continues to poo-poo the idea of Pacquiao defending his light welterweight championship against Timothy Bradley, calling Bradley a nobody.
  • As previously reported, recent Mayweather victim "Sugar" Shane Mosley might be looking for a fight against Sergio Martinez for Martinez's true middleweight championship.  That would give Mosley the opportunity for a title in his fourth weight class, and while he was thoroughly outclassed by Mayweather, he's still only one fight removed from decimating Antonio Margarito.  In today's notebook, Dan Rafael reveals that Mosley has three targets: Martinez, welterweight titlist Andre Berto and former junior welterweight titlist Sergio Mora.  Mora is probably the default, as both men are promoted by Golden Boy.  However, there's a history between Mosley and Berto, as they were previously all set to fight until a disasterous earthquake hit Haiti, killing eight members of Berto's family and forcing him to cancel the bout.  While Mosley might not be as inviting of a scalp as he once was, he still might be the biggest name that Berto can muster up, and a fight between the two could still be a great bout.
  • As for Berto, he's not only looking at Mosley.  Also per Rafael, his team had been looking at some easier fights, including a crack at former title challenger Alfonso Gomez.  HBO wisely declined to pick up that fight, but did make a suggestion that they would pick up a bout between Berto and rising prospect Mike Jones.  If this is the pressure team Berto is getting from HBO, then it probably makes Berto-Mosley all the more likely.  If there's a young welterweight who Berto matches up poorly against, it might be Jones, who not only is a huge welterweight, but is also very athletic and a fine boxer.  If the only options on the table for Berto are Mosley and Jones, then it almost guarantees that we'll get one more great fight in the welterweight division this year.  An interesting writeup on Jones' background, including his struggle to prominence with smaller promoter (and hall-of-famer) Russell Peltz, is at Doghouse Boxing. Elsewhere, there are mentions that Berto might also target a unification bout with IBF titlist Jan Zaveck. 
  • Two former welterweights who have just moved up might also be looking at some action.  As previously reported, Miguel Cotto has opened up to the idea of possibly rematching Antonio Margarito.  Feeling that Margarito probably cheated against him, Cotto had foreclosed the idea, but now it looks like the biggest money fight on the table for him.  A proposed December 4 pay per view has been floated.  Another alternative mentioned by Arum is that Cotto could face Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. if Chavez is able to win this weekend's matchup with Irish John Duddy.  Another alternative on the table, which probably isn't very appealing to anyone, is a rematch between Cotto and Pacquiao, this time at 154 pounds.  The only reason this might possibly be appealing is if you think Cotto was really hurt by needing to weigh in at 145 for their first bout.  I can't see too much steam building behind that rematch except with hardcore Pacquiao fans and people who like watching car crashes. 
  • Margarito, on the other hand, says that he's not targeting Cotto but rather chasing Pacquiao.  Margarito says that Bob Arum has promised the fight, which would give Pacquiao the opportunity to fight for a belt in his eighth weight class.  If this is the case, then you might see Margarito on the sidelines until the Mayweather-Pacquiao situation straightens itself out.  Then again, it might just be bluster, as trainer Freddie Roach has repeatedly stated that he would not have Pacquiao face the much bigger Margarito. 
  • It's not as sexy as the rest of the welterweight division, but things are also moving forward with the IBF title, currently held by Slovenian Jan Zaveck.  His next bout is now scheduled for September 4 against Rafal Jackiewicz.  The two met before, with Jackiewicz winning a tight decision in Poland.  This time, the fight will be in Slovenia. 

On a side note, I'd highly recommend checking out this weekend's notebook.  In addition to reporting on the welterweight machinations, there are other interesting tidbits, including Marcos Maidana straightening out his promoter situation; a bangup fight between action prospect Don George and former chinchecker Curtis Stevens; another bang up fight between Ji Hoon Kim and Miguel Vazquez for a vacant lightweight title; and a possible fight between Rafael Marquez and Vic Darchinyan.

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Pleased to hear that Maidana has his contract situation squared away. Looking forward to seeing him in the ring ASAP.

by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I seriously doubt that Berto is going to turn into a top level fighter.His management are being very careful with him since the Collazo close call.To be fair they did have him lined up to fight Mosley but i think that could have been a bad result for him.
From what i have seen in his last 2 fights i have not been at all impressed.
Maybe he should move down to 140.
I don;t want to sound negative but the fights or proposed fights lined up/mentioned so far for next boxing season don’t exactly fill me with excitement.Everyone seems to be avoiding each other! :)
One guy who i think definitely deserves an easier fight next though is Sergio Martinez.
2 excellent performances in 2 tough fights in a row against the 2 top guys between 154-160 is impressive.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 25, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The Evil Bob Arum

is mainly to blame,as usual……Cotto v Chavez Jr??
Give me a f**king break you old fart.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pacquiao v Cotto 2 ???

Ok i suppose if you like watching train wreck sequels.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Berto can move to 147

He was 165 as an amateur, I’m a little surprised he’s boiled down as much as he has.

There are two lynchpins as I see it – Martinez, and Mayweather-Pacquiao. Once things happen with those two, everything else should fall into place. I do think Berto-Mosley is almost inevitable, unless Martinez gets Mosley. But I get the feeling that there are other fights HBO would rather see than Martinez-Mosley.

After a strong few months, its looking like the rest of the year might be kind of weak, just because Pac and Mayweather are holding a lot of it hostage. Nobody wants to take risks until that plays out, because either one would by far be the biggest fight available if they don’t fight each other.

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by Brickhaus on Jun 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And FWIW

I think Berto-Jones would be a great fight, but I just doubt the money is there. Nobody knows who Jones is. Or to put it another way, Who is Mike Jones?

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by Brickhaus on Jun 25, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Jones is no joke

Please can we see him get a big fight? Probably not…

by Jay Smith on Jun 25, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll get one sooner than later. He’s on HBO’s radar now. Which is overdue and I’m really happy for him.

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by Scott Christ on Jun 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Alvarez-Jones. Alvarez would take it

If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.

by Violent Demise on Jun 25, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't bet on it

But that won’t happen soon. They know both guys have star potential, or at least that Alvarez does. Plus, Alvarez is still young and learning. I’d expect very SLOW steps up for him. Everyone plays their cards right, and Alvarez could be a cash cow in a few years, and nobody wants to ruin that, especially HBO.

I want to see Jones-Berto. I honestly think Jones would win. But no way that fight happens until (unless) Jones’ name gets built up.

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by Brickhaus on Jun 28, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

good points.I don’t think Berto’s team would want to risk it against someone who could be dangerous and has a big size advantage but no name.
Don’t want to sound smart but i think you meant 140lbs for Berto.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 25, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Berto must have been like a wrecking ball in the amateurs then.I know the pros are better conditioned and leaner but he looks pretty chunky/thick set even at 147 to me anyway.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 25, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying that he’ll probably be around 160lbs on fight night.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 25, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Berto v Mosley does happen like you say because i would much rather see that than Mosley v Martinez.Much more competitve fight,imo.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Cotto v Berto too.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 25, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Mayweather or Bradley

If Arum makes the decision to fight Bradley instead Pacman will still get beat. That bouncing around the ring routine will hold no merit against those two. It’s a loss either way he pulls the trigger.

If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.

by Haans Bishop on Jun 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Timothy Bradley and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Similarities:

1. Black
2. Bald

Differences:

1. Everything else

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by Scott Christ on Jun 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I guess Cotto proves that you need to satisfy both requirements, not just one or the other. What if Pacquiao signs to fight Devon Alexander, and then the day of the fight Alexander shaves his head? Would Pacquiao back out?

by taco pal on Jun 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's getting to the point that if I see Floyd Mayweather Jr's name, I just pass it up.

Too much exposure and too little charisma. Or maybe it’s just me.

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He has little to offer in terms of personality,i agree.
He is what a lot of idiots nowadays think is important:Status,money,clothes,etc.
If he wasn’t so talented he’d be a joke.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 25, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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