Sergio Mora most likely September opponent for Shane Mosley
by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 1:03 AM EDT
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Lem Satterfield of FanHouse reports that of the names being mentioned, former junior middleweight titlist and "Contender" winner Sergio Mora is the most likely opponent to fight Shane Mosley in Mosley's September 18 comeback fight at Staples Center.
Mosley took a Friday meeting with Richard Schaefer to discuss options, one of which was renewing talks with welterweight beltholder Andre Berto. Berto and Mosley were set to fight in January, but the Haiti earthquake canceled the bout. The problem now is that Berto wants a 50-50 split, which Schaefer says Mosley won't take.
What of Sergio Martinez?
According to another source, "Shane is not ready to fight Martinez yet, and that's why he's going with Mora."
Mora is open to a 60-40 split for Mosley (which is generous of Mosley, if you ask me), and is willing to drop a scheduled fight in order to land a much bigger payday. Mora is currently set to face Juan Carlos Candelo on July 23 in what would amount to another tune-up fight. Mora returned to action on April 3 after an 18 month layoff to face undersized, out-of-shape club fighter Calvin Green on the Hopkins-Jones II undercard.
Personally, my biggest problem with Mosley-Mora is the fight will not be good, and it's nothing I much care about. Mora is an iffy contender at 154/160, and Mosley has never been particularly good at 154. Shane Mosley turns 39 in a few months and the clock is ticking. This is a weird sidestep for a guy who for the last few years has openly talked about only wanting money fights. Maybe he made enough off the Mayweather fight to go back to boxing business as usual. I'm not saying Sergio Mora has no chance to beat Shane Mosley, because Shane Mosley is really old and when Mora is actually focused, in shape, and ready to go, he's a really tricky fighter and a pain in the ass in the ring, which I mean in the most complimentary fashion.
But of the fights discussed right now, Mora is by far the least dangerous option. People might still like Mosley against Andre Berto, and truth be told I still believe that's the right fight for them both, but Berto is young, powerful and would be very energized for that fight, I'd guess. Martinez is bigger than Shane and has rocketed up the P4P charts in the last year, and his style is hard for anyone. Mora is powerless and would need to put on one of his best performances to beat Mosley. Sergio is taller than Shane (and taller than Sergio Martinez for that matter), but he doesn't fight big.
If Mosley-Mora goes ahead, and it appears now that it probably will, it will be part of a Golden Boy pay-per-view event centered around Mexican Independence Day. Saul Alvarez would also fight on the card, perhaps against Matthew Hatton, which has been rumored before.
It's also interesting to note that right now, Showtime is looking at September 18 as the date for a Juan Manuel Lopez-Rafael Marquez fight. That one could get bumped if Showtime feels too much of the audience will go in for the Mosley and Alvarez show, or they could just offer a far better fight for the price of a Showtime subscription and see if there are enough people out there willing to pass up the $40-50 PPV price tag.
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It’s been a while since I’ve seen an exciting Mosley fight at 154 even, and while Mora’s last fight was decent, that was literally his ONLY decent fight.
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It was decent before the little fella’s gas tank hit empty, then it was just slap-happy Mora toying with a completely overmatched foe. I gotta remember to mention Calvin Green’s ballsy performance at the end of the year. He had no chance but you couldn’t have told him that.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
YAWN!
But Mosley should be able to out-box Mora over 10 or 12 rds if, S.M. ain’t as faded as Fraud Mayrunner made him appear to be….. Boxing in 2010 has been weak……
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by battle axe of doom on Jun 26, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Good luck convincing him of that.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Baby Bull is going to get gored by Marquez.
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Can you just explain why you wrote 'Fraud Mayrunner' there?
That’s quite a BoxingScene forum thing to say…
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by Oli Goldstein on Jun 26, 2010 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Lot's of guys do that. I don't take it so seriously. MRBILL is one of the most knowledgable
boxing guys I know, His style might not always please everyone, but from a factual and historic basis, I have seldom seen him make a mistake and I have followed his posts for over 7 years. I have seen hundreds of posts calling PBF everything from “Gayweather” to “KFC.” Just ignore them. Fraud Mayrunner simply refers to his cherry picking propensity. A fan who pays money to watch him fight is entitled to say that. It’s not for me, but it’s also not for me to criticize those fans. Let’s not be so politically correct here. We will never, ever be like the cesspools that BoxingScene and ESB are. Our psyches should not be so fragile.
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Fraud Mayrunner, though I disagree with it, is OK. “Gayweather” and “KFC” and all that shit will get you banned right out. What MRBILL said is no different than saying “Shitty Shane Mosley” or “A Mere Con” or whatever. Not liking someone is OK so long as you don’t have to be racist or homophobic about it.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The racial connection with “KFC” hadn’t occurred to me, but of course it makes sense. That’s pretty bad.
I’m not sure i get it but i don’t really want to know either.I can’t stand racists or generally mean spirited people.
However,MR BILL’S comment was nothing to get offended over.
A stereotype of black Americans is that they love fried chicken. I actually think whoever started the KFC nickname didn’t have that intention, though. Just wanted to call him a chicken.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh,is that all?I thought the letters stood for something other than the original ones.That’s not that bad,is it?
You do right to ban it though or i imagine it gets out of control pretty quickly and ends up like the crappy sites listed above.
We don’t allow it simply because it can be taken a really bad way, and because there are PLENTY of ways to say you don’t like Mayweather other than that. MRBILL’s “Fraud Mayrunner” is a perfect example.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
People need to be clear about what’s OK and what’s not. That way no one can ever say they weren’t given ample notice.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t mean that it was offensive or anything, I just think it’s a very petty comment, and inaccurate. If MRBILL had called Floyd some of the things that some of the ultra-Pacquaios say on the net, then I’d have a real problem.
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by Oli Goldstein on Jun 27, 2010 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Floyd is a tad of a cherry picker when it comes to the intervals in which he fights. He picks and chooses and that's why he is
not one of my favorites. He is not Old School.
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You can say that about anyone
You can call Pacqauio a cherry picker too then. Because from my understanding, the only way that he was going to possibly fight for an 8 title was if Cotto beat Foreman. He,Roach and Arum said that Pacqauio would not fight Foreman if Foreman beat Cotto because of Foreman’s height. But Pacqauio is willing to fight Margarito.
Yuri Foreman is 5’11.
Antonio Margarito is 5’11
Yuri Foreman has a 72’ reach
Antonio Margarito has a 73’ reach
It didn’t have anything to do with height and reach, it was Yuri’s style of constant movement that might give Pacqauio trouble. Margarito is more of a flat footed, come forward fighter that plays into Pacqauio’s style. Is that not cherry picking? Same thing with him wanting to rematch Cotto for the title, a guy he destroyed already. He would fight Cotto if Cotto won but not Yuri if Yuri won. Fight 5’ll, 73in reach Margarito, but not 5’11, 72in reach Foreman. To me thats cherry picking.
When I said you can say that about anyone, I didn’t mean for you to take that literally. I was trying to make the point that if you look hard enough, especially fighters who have over 30, 40, and 50 fights, you can find somewhere in their careers where there was cherry picking.
by The Floorer on Jun 28, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ted, I don't think there's really any top fighter in this generation where you can't make an argument for them being cherry-pickers.
Such is the business of boxing.
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by Oli Goldstein on Jun 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's amatter of degree. Vitali is more active than many
other heavyweights as an example. Just my opinion. As for the business of boxing, well, the business is currently suffering from competition and lack of activity.
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And likewise yours.
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by Oli Goldstein on Jun 27, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If anyone is a cherry picker
Try Chavez Jr. What is he like 40-0 41-0 something like that? Compare his 40 opponents to Mayweather’s record and tell me if hes still a cherry picker.
You are missing my point. PBF rests his body on a very
careful basis fighting about once a year. I’m not talking about his opponents as much as I am talking about when he fights them. He is very selective around his timing. As for Pac Man. I have no intention of getting into a discussion on the two. It has been discused ad nauseum.
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Likewise
I have no intention on talking about Pacqauio either on this topic. But the reason I brought his name up is because he is a very popular fighter right now that everyone is familiar with, boxing fans and the mainstream public.
So I figured why bring up some Joe Blow guy that maybe 5% of the people here are familiar with when I can make my point using one of the most popular, if not the most popular boxer in the world who’s career is in the lime light and we all are following, in Manny Pacqauio.
I just used Pacqauio because it was easier to make my point with someone that everyone is familiar with.
by The Floorer on Jun 28, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
So I figured why bring up some Joe Blow guy that maybe 5% of the people here are familiar with
Everyone here knows who Chavez Jr is.
It is a little hard to compare Chavez Jr’s career to Mayweathers in an attempt to disprove that Mayweather is a cherry picker. Chavez Junior is undoubtedly a cherry picker to a far greater extent, but this doesn’t stop Mayweather being one.
On another note, I sometimes feel that we misconstrue clever management, with cherry picking. However, considering the old school attitude to taking fights, this is certainly understandable.
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by Drunken cutman on Jun 28, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I say the same thing. Every fight you have cant be against a champion or a #1 contender, you’d kill yourself doing that. I look at those fights against lesser competition in between big fights as tune up fights or just staying active fights.
Imagine how good Fernando Vargas could have been if he wasn’t constantly fighting these top tier guys every fight. I respect Vargas for taking all of those tough fights against strong competition, but it shortened his career IMO.
Indeed
However, there are some fighters whose resumes I believe could certainly have been improved upon no end, and I’ll leave it at that.
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by Drunken cutman on Jun 29, 2010 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like this fight but then i don’t really think Shane should be fighting on at all.
Yes Mayweather is the best in tthe world but Shane took quite a beating in that fight and i think he should retire.
Ok then,maybe one more fight but not against Mora.
I would really love to see Berto-Mosley if Shane’s up to it. I think that’s a perfect step forward for Berto and a great “last chance” for Sugar Shane. Mosley-Mora I have almost no real interest in. If Showtime runs that Lopez-Marquez fight that night, I can tell you now what I’ll be watching.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
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by Drunken cutman on Jun 28, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Mora has the style to beat Shane. He split a pair with "Viper" who beat SSM twice. I am going with Mora here.
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Well, Vernon by then wasn’t exactly the Vernon that beat Shane. Forrest was clearly out of shape in the first Mora fight, and then in the second, Mora was out of shape. The guy with more gas won both fights.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, OK. I here and now am betting you that Mora beats him. Winner gets --err--I don't know what the winner gets.
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hmmm
I could see Mora winning, and it would require Shane to be absolutely awful. Mora also has clear problems fighting at 154 (the weight drain, and he’s admitted it) and would only be fighting Mosley for the cash grab, since it’s not like any other name fighter has interest in fighting no-fans Sergio.
Mora’s height, southpaw stance and awkwardness do give me real pause, but I gotta back my guy Sugar Shane here.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets see how Mosley looks against another boxer before we retire him after a fight with Mayweather.
Would it have been right if people started calling for Diego Corrales’s retirement after the beaten he took from Mayweather? His was much worse. I say lets wait to see if he gets beat like that again. Because he did look great one fight before Mayweather against Margarito. If he gets beat like that again, then yes retire. But you never know, he might turn in another Margarito type performance.
by The Floorer on Jun 28, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Listen to the nasal sound in his speech and tell me if he should not retire. I have seen and heard
this way too many times during the past many years and I don’t like what I hear.
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I don't feel that he definitely must retire
But if he wants to, then I would totally defend that decision. He is getting old, and I agree about the nasal tone in his voice.
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by Drunken cutman on Jun 28, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Mosley has been sounding like that for a while now. But I still cant think of a time where he took such a beating that it could’ve affected him like that. The Mayweather fight was bad, but it was more of Mosley just getting outclassed and every now and then a stiff right hand to the jaw. He didn’t actually get BEAT UP, if you know what I mean. Same with Cotto. Cotto didn’t beat Mosley up, he won the fight, but he didn’t beat Mosley up.
The only time where I seen Mosley BEAT UP was the 2nd round against Vernon Forest. Those were some vicious punches, and that uppercut was insane.
So he hasn’t really been beat up badly in his career, I think that it must affect everyone differently.
Joe Frazier talks clearly, I can understand everything he says, but Muhammad Ali is messed up. Both took punishment throughout their careers, it just skipped Frazier and got Ali.
The impact is an accumlative one and can be caused by sparring hundres of rounds.. The two Viper losses took a lot out of him. SSM
has always been willing to take a shot in order to give one. In that respect, he is an Ols School type, but he may pay for it in the long run.Mayorga landed some good shots on SSM as well. The nasal tone is one of the first signs of trouble.
As for Frazier, it has rendered him blind in one eye. Ali has a form oof Parkinsons that does not impact his cognative abilities but does impact his motor skills much as it will Freddie Roach.
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You're kidding
Joe needs an interpreter to understand what he’s saying. Never the most articulate, born with a southern accent, Joe is virtually unintelligible today.
Shane on the other hand is not. Slower in speech for sure but hardy unintelligible. However, he is near 40 and has been in battles both won and lost. It’s fair to say he’s taken his cumulative share of punishment.
The Corrales comparison is irrelevant. Diego was undefeated and took his first beating while still a very young man. Shane was already showing signs of deterioration when he lost to Floyd at 39 years old.
I still would rather see Mosley-Berto though.
by The Floorer on Jun 28, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Thing about Corrales,
Floorer, is that he near his prime and outgrowing his division.
Shane is old.
But I do see your point.
by Don From Prov on Jun 28, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This has all the tools to stink the place out. Mosley-Berto I’d be big into, and I’d at least be slightly intrigued by Mosley-Martinez, because Sergio is always good viewing and most likely makes a fight of it, at some point. But Mosley-Mora? I just don’t get what Shane wants with this fight.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
Okay, SC--
I would rather see Mosley against Martinez than this fight.
But I still don’t really even want to see that one.
Snatch those paydays, Shane—whatever you can grab on the way out the door.
Well,
aren’t there rumors that the ex took a lot?
But I guess a lot is a relative term.
by Don From Prov on Jun 26, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate this fight
Mainly because Sergio Mora is a mediocre pillow-fisted boxer.
Mosley should win this easily, and I totally don’t mind it when someone with the last name Mora gets beaten up.
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Floyd Mayweather at all………. I will not back down from that statement, either……. I see F.M. as a whining spoiled brat who projects a poor public image and runs amuck with a bad crowd of so-called friends…. I also despise his cherry-picking and his nickname “Money” altogether….. This guy is a jive turkey…….. BUT! For the umpteenth time, I was a follower and supporter of Uncle Roger during his heyday…… Yes, I know, Uncle Roger has some form of dementia and “Moiders” the English language overall, but he was much more thrilling (win or lose) to see in the ring than his brattish nephew F.M.J……. IMO!!!!
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
If I still have one, I find such talk childish. It gives me flashbacks of being on a yahoo blog talking with a bunch of ignorant people. Can you imagine Al Bernstein saying Fraud Mayrunner or Pacroid? He would make himself look like a fool making remarks as that.
When I discovered this site I liked it because people here talked like boxing writers, journalist, and historians, not like some teenager with a man-crush on their favorite athlete.
Im pretty sure there are commentators or writers who like or dislike certain athletes in sports, but they do a damn good job of not showing it, because they want people to take them seriously. If you go around spewing that you do not like a certain person, why would anybody pay attention to what you have to say about that athlete if they know you have a certain bias towards them?
And on the point of Roger being more entertaining or exciting then Floyd, what does that mean? Does that make him better? I always thought the Indianapolis Colts were more exciting than the New England Patriots, still the Patriots would beat them everytime they played each other .Emanuel Augustus, IMO was exciting too, where is he now?
by The Floorer on Jun 27, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Black Mamaba jicked some serious Mexcian butt in his day and earned another nickname as The Mexcian
Assasin. Roger had fire power.
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10-4.
That’s what I’m talkin’ bout…….
Now… Back to “Frost / Nixon” with Frank Langella…… Cheers…..
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I have taken a liking to MRBILL and find his posts interesting and often humurous,even when he belitlles or refuses to acknowledge our Brit fighters. :D
Actually, he and I used to get into late night (2 am) in the moirning exchanges about movies on ESB.
The exchanges would draw in many other posters and we all had a great time until a couple of stalking pyschos ruined the fun. It WAS a blast, though.
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2 am in the morning.
He is an expert on movies and a frustrated screen wriiter.
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is the word “rape” acceptable? like “mosley would rape mora”, or “a fight between mosley-berto would rape all souls”
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by battle axe of doom on Jun 27, 2010 5:35 AM EDT reply actions
No. It’s just off-putting. I really don’t mind cursing at all (I keep it out of the main page articles because we’re syndicated on Google News and such), but “rape” is a word that really bothers me when used loosely.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m glad you don’t swear in articles.I find it unprofessional and lacking standards and i have stopped reading publications/websites for using profanity in their writing as i find it lacking moral fibre and there are probably kids reading sometimes.
If i want to hear bar room talk i’ll go to the bar.
Yeah that’s another reason. Kids read. If kids want to dig into the comments and they see an “F” bomb or two, fine, kids know the words, use them, and if they’re interested enough to jump into our discussion here they’re probably going to be OK.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was meaning the articles more so than the comments section.Thats why i referred to professionalism.Just my opinion.Whatever.
We’re agreeing here.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems to be on and off every other fight lately
Vargas I – looked kinda crap
Vargas II – looked great
Collazo – Looked okay (and looked good compared to Hatton), but COllazo troubled him a bit much for my liking before he broke his hand)
Cotto – I thought he looked really good, just not good enough to get by Cotto at his absolute best
Mayorga – looked awful
Margarito – looked spectacular, the best in years
Mayweather – looked awful again
I guess it’s his turn to look great again next fight.
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Could be,
if he ever fights the Margarito who fought Mosley again.
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