Open Thread: Latin Fury 15 featuring Chavez-Duddy
by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
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After much deliberation, I decided I simply could not reason with paying $40 for a show main evented by Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and John Duddy, at least not without an attractive undercard, and this undercard is not attractive. The main event runs too big a risk of being a stinker capping off a stinky night for me to dig into my wallet this time.
But this open thread will serve as a discussion center for the card. So if you're ordering or watching, swing by and talk about the fights.
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After much deliberation, I decided I simply could not reason with paying $40 for a show main evented by Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and John Duddy, at least not without an attractive undercard, and this undercard is not attractive.
And the Devil is out shoveling snow… incredible!
Just kidding. This is abysmal even by absymal standards. I’m thinking back over the years, and this actually might have been the worst $40 you ever would have spent on a fight.
Although, mediocre guys can sometimes turn out incredible fights. If it turns out to be one of those, it’ll be a shame for us to miss it.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I paid becuase I want to see the fight as it happens. I can write about it better that way. I love to write about fights I have seen when they actually happened whether live in person
or live on TV. There is just something different—hard to explain but for me, it’s the way it is.
Pray for Nick Charles
no I know what you mean
I’m even going to try to watch (at least until people come over to drink) — just can’t afford to be paying for this particular load. Given some of the loads I HAVE paid for, I’m not feeling too awful about it.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Most Mexican fans detest JCCJr with a fire of a thousand suns…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Well, someone’s buying these fights enough for Arum to keep headlining Latin Fury shows with him, so I doubt it’s “most.”
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Who would have thought a Chavez-Duddy open thread would bring TWO spambots?
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Rhona and me
Ted: Rhona Mitra and I had dinner this week, she told me she is a bit embarassed by her new TV show The Gates, but that it pays pretty well.
Yeah not a bad little fight. Villa giving Sanchez this much trouble doesn’t speak well of Salvador, but then everyone knows he’s not a genuine prospect anyway.
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Sanches-Villa scores
77-75
79-73
78-74
Tomas Villa via unanimous decision
That should knock Sanchez off of TV screens for good. Sanchez is just not very good and I’m surprised Villa actually got the decision.
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Jose Benavidez is the truth. KO-1 earlier.
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Sure seems so, but
he hasn’t had a step-up since his debut. Not looking for a radical jump, just something that isn’t a foregone conclusion. Looking forward to watching him for years to come though.
by geraldmcgrew on Jun 26, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What I like is something they were talking about earlier: he’s putting guys away in every conceivable manner. He’s not just a left hook or a brutal right or whatever.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Roach is high on him. And I mean when Roach talks about him he sounds like he’s on meth. I’ve never heard Freddie so excited about anyone, Pacquiao and Khan included.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
From a selfish fan's point of view
I’m anxious to see him in gradually tougher tests. Frequent step-ups is not the TR style, and I get why they avoid them, but as a fan it would make following his career a lot more thrilling.
by geraldmcgrew on Jun 26, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Chavez Jr. vs. Duddy:
“Survival of the….well, survival.”
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
Raul Martinez-Gabriel Elizondo on deck.
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Gabriel Elizondo’s “Enter Sandman” entrance sadly lacked beers
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That right hand is going to put Elizondo to sleep sooner than later. But Gabriel isn’t lacking for effort at least.
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Woof, that cut’s in a bad spot. Elizondo might not have long with that.
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Elizondo down on a straight right, not badly hurt.
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I think a fight broke out in the crowd because everyone’s standing and no one’s looking ahead
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Elizondo went down again in the sixth. He’s trying hard but he’s just not good enough. If he was a bigger puncher, maybe he’d be in this one.
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Elizondo down again and called off
Raul Martinez TKO-7 Gabriel Elizondo
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I can’t really tell how full the building is because they have lots of lighting effects and all but they seem to have done well, and that’s no papered crowd from what I can tell. Those are fight fans.
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Barrera is gonna peel open like a banana again, if this fight goes past five. That skin is looking brittle.
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Yep.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Barrera looks sort of like Barrera.
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Barrera’s reflexes are so bad. If he gets in with someone worth their salt it’ll be the most predictable thing ever.
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Dejesus stinks, and can still land the lead right most of the time he throws it. Toast.
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I would be curious enough that I’d pay for Barrera-Morales IV, in part because I think they’re both so shot the fight could be pretty good, but what the hell is Barrera going to do at 140? Fight Marquez again? Rematch Khan?
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My streams packed up! What’s happening lads?
by Phill on Jun 26, 2010 11:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’ve been watching it on a crappy stream, bad quality and in Spanish! Barrera appeared to be winning though ??
by Phill on Jun 26, 2010 11:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it’s his fight for sure. De Jesus has no appreciable skill.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not as bad as that Argie Stieglitz fought a few fights back
Unless De Jesus has regressed. And they passed that shit off as a main event on German TV. I can’t even remember his name, but he was by far the least skilled fighter I’d ever seen in a title fight.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 26, 2010 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so it goes all ten, scores coming
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This card has lived down to expectations.
Also DeJesus is not a “main event” fighter. These commentators are vicious shills.
awful reflexes
Just nothing good.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Like, if I didn’t know any better, I’d say, “That guy did an OK Marco Antonio Barrera impression.”
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Barrera-De Jesus scores
100-90
98-92
99-91
Marco Antonio Barrera via unanimous decision
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remember
Gamboa beat that guy pillar to post and brutally knocked him out. At 126.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 26, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks. I take it the future’s not looking too bright for Barrera then. How would he do against the current crop?
by Phill on Jun 26, 2010 11:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
About as well as he did against Khan. Even if you ignore that awful cut he was so horribly outclassed by Khan it was difficult for me to watch. Anyone legit at 140 will shred him.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i predict a Kaizer Mabuza fight
Just watch it happen.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 26, 2010 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mabuza would blow him to bits.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
I’ve never seen him fight, but I’ve heard he’s awfully mediocre. Only beat Holt because Holt literally did NOTHING. From what I’ve heard anyway.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s too strong for Barrera. Barrera was getting hit with lead rights by De Jesus, who’s pretty awful.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly time to call it a day then.
Let’s face it he did everyone a favour in beating “that” cocky little shit almost a decade ago. I would have thought that was enough of a service to boxing fans. A “pinnacle” to his carreer if ever there was one!!
by Phill on Jun 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he's had a damn fine career
But it seems like he’s building a nest egg. No doubt HOFer in my mind.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What an incredibly dramatic American anthem.
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How the fuck didn’t Chavez Junior – Macho Junior happen? How did they miss that? Do they have Duddy in the pocket?
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There’s still time.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I got a real weird feeling about this fight. It’s a glorified club fight, but it could wind up weirdly good.
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-- Fritzie Zivic
I’ve got a weird feeling it’s going to be really horrible and two guys not throwing much. I really hope I’m wrong.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
we'll know soon....
i think i may vomit. This was not worth 40.
NO STRIKEFORCE SPOILERS HERE
Just in case anyone’s here and watching that later or something. Bloody Elbow has all your MMA discussin’ needs.
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I neglected to mention that Freddie Roach is now training Junior because I don’t think it matters. Pig in a dress stuff.
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“This fight’s for the WBC title.”
The fuck it is.
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I like how Bob Arum ripped the WBC Silver belts. They’re just a fancy name for interim. Meanwhile Arum tells me Pacquiao-Cotto II would be exciting!!
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Freddie Roach, Miguel Diaz, Alex Ariza. Quite a corner for such a fighter.
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If Chavez made a point to stick to the jab he could dominate this fight.
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Duddy corner: “I need you to move that head some more.”
Did you guys watch his previous 30 fights?
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So far, this is an okay fight. They are both about the same level. Good matchup.
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Yeah, it’s feeling like one that could “pop off” at some point and get wild. I’m not sure Chavez’s game plan is, but Duddy’s is pretty obvious (pressure).
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by Scott Christ on Jun 26, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you have as the scores so far?
I’ve always thought Duddy was just plain better than Chavez, but I might be wrong. Curious as to where things are…
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by Brickhaus on Jun 27, 2010 12:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’ve got it 2-1 Chavez through three
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
and 3-1 Chavez through 4
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got it 2-2. It is a decent fight, but last round was a big Chavez round.
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which two did you have Duddy's way?
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I had the second for Big Bad John personally. Thought Chavez edged the first and third, clearly won the fourth.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, this is the best I’ve seen Chavez look, I think. Duddy is back to his punching bag tendencies.
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And fifth round to Duddy for me. Got Chavez to fight him in close where Duddy’s better.
3-2 Chavez (48-47)
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Most of the really telling blows have come from Junior.
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Even in this round???
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not that round
Chavez had a couple nice ones, but Duddy really rocked him with that right.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Both landed some good punches in the sixth, Duddy had the best punch of the fight with a right that shook Junior, who quickly recovered nicely. Junior’s left hand has been whipping Duddy’s head around a fair amount. Duddy’s looking better as he goes along, I think.
3-3 (57-57)
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Duddy round.
This is NOT great stuff, but they are evenly matched. I like that.
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by jrok on Jun 27, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s a pretty fun fight. I’m very pleased that they both came to mix it up and scrap. I really feared they would both be tentative, but I’m liking what they’re doing. I still say this is Chavez’s best performance (eclipsing uh, the fight with Ray Sanchez I guess), and Duddy is Duddy.
This could be a rivalry, even. Top Rank knows these guys aren’t going to be P4Pers or anything. That’s why they’re fighting now.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Chavez’s energy seems to be slipping. Still landing some decent shots, but Duddy’s attack is really consistent.
4-3 Duddy (67-66)
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I had that a Duddy round too.
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But it was close
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ye i was wondering if my bias was kicking in
because i couldnt see why tjey were saying that was a great round for chavez
I figure Chavez is up 5-2 on all the official cards right now. At least.
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by Scott Christ on Jun 27, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
There is one card that has Junior pitching a shutout
It’s genetic.
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Now that was a Chavez round. Duddy took a lot of clean shots and got staggered near the bell.
4-4 (76-76)
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Chavez was using a jab early that looked quite good, or at least good enough to neutralize Duddy. Why he hasn’t used it more is beyond me, because Duddy’s a sucker for a good jab.
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Chavez starting to wail on Duddy in the ninth!
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Duddy’s turned into a punching bag that occasionally fights back.
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Big Junior round. Tide has turned his way. John needs to dig deep.
5-4 Chavez (86-85)
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Duddy’s still working hard, but he can’t get out of the way of anything, and his volume bursts aren’t really landing at all. Duddy’s getting hit by every punch Chavez has and starting to get beaten up a bit. His legs are starting to go, too. If Chavez really goes for the kill in the 11th I think he can get Duddy out.
6-4 Chavez (96-94)
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Duddy’s corner tells him he needs a knockout to win. They’re almost certainly correct. I doubt any official card is as close as mine.
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Even round, really.
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Even round always goes to who finishes stronger, unfortunately.
by El Destruyo on Jun 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The best punches are ALL coming from Junior now. Duddy, bless him, is still hanging in there and fighting, but he’s getting rocked around.
7-4 Chavez (106-103)
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Fun finish. Thought Duddy took the round. I had this closer than any of the cards will be, but I think Chavez won the fight for sure.
7-5 Chavez (115-113)
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I don't think you can really make a case that Duddy won
as much as i loathe JCC Jr., Duddy at best drew.
The commentators are talking crap about him answering questions and his heart, and how these guys are good fighters. It’s all crap.
to continue....
he got new respect? new respect? These commentators are absurdly bad.
You had it about right. But the crowd won some rounds. A close fight between two guys whose careers just peaked.
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by jrok on Jun 27, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chavez-Duddy scores
120-108
116-112
117-111
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. by unanimous decision
120-108 is absurd, but expected and called in this very thread.
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I called that. Just so you know.
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A Chavez fought in the Alamodome, and deserved his decision victory, instead of getting bailed out by a bullshit draw. This is what we’re left to call justice.
/Sweet Pea’d
by El Destruyo on Jun 27, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
my condolences
to anyone who spent 40 on this crap card. terrrible.
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