Finally, Real Improvement Shown by Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
After thinking about Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.'s victory over John Duddy last night for a few hours, I've come to the (totally sober) conclusion that I actually do think a bit more of Chavez now than I did prior to last night.
I don't back off on saying that beating Duddy is nothing to get excited about. It isn't. Billy Lyell did it. But for the first time in a long time, the young Chavez showed genuine signs of improvement, and that's very important.
Chavez had been stuck in a pattern in recent fights. He was unimpressive against Troy Rowland, just as he had been against Luciano Leonel Cuello and Matt Vanda. It seemed like he had plateaued at a very young age. Remember, Chavez is only 24. When a fighter his age stops getting better, it's never a good sign.
Last night, working his first pro fight under the tutelage of Freddie Roach, Chavez finally looked better. Surely part of that is a credit to Roach; there may be a better trainer or two in somebody's opinion out there today, but Roach is clearly at the very elite level. The work he's done with Manny Pacquiao has been nothing short of sensational, and he's made Amir Khan a better fighter, too. Taking on a project like Chavez was a risky move. Chavez is pretty damn high-profile given his accomplishments (by which I mean the lack thereof), and if Chavez had been the same fighter under Roach's guidance, Freddie probably would have taken some knocks.
But Chavez wasn't the same fighter. In the first half of the bout, it was mostly John Duddy doing the pressuring. Chavez was landing better from range, but when they got close, Duddy seemed to have the upper hand, and that's probably what you would have expected going in.
As the fight wore on, something changed. Chavez found a second gear I'd never seen from him before, and by the key stages of the fight (the ninth through eleventh rounds, specifically), he did a number on Duddy. Sure, Junior still got hit some, because John Duddy isn't the kind of guy to not throw back, but he had snap on his punches, didn't tire out, didn't get lazy, didn't seem complacent at all. If Chavez were a better finisher, I think there were times he might have been able to get Duddy into some serious trouble, but that could also come with time.
Look, Duddy's just Duddy. He is what he is. But even given his limitations and, frankly, his mediocrity, he's still the best scalp on Junior's sheet. If you watched the Troy Rowland fight, or the Cuello fight, or the first Vanda fight, Duddy might have looked like a great bet even from a realistic, knowing who John Duddy is sort of standpoint. Chavez, simply put, had never impressed me. Last night, he did. He took John Duddy apart at the crucial junction of the fight, at a point when I had it even. Duddy had been very competitive and generally right there with Junior through the first eight rounds, save for a couple of clear Chavez rounds. But then Julio turned up the heat, and proved he's a better fighter than Duddy.
He also looked stronger than he did in November, and by a longshot. That could be thanks to Alex Ariza, the strength and conditioning coach he also shares with Pacquiao and Khan. Chavez has always been tall for his weight classes, until he got up to 154, where he was just kind of tall. At 160, his six-foot frame isn't particularly big anymore, but he looked a lot sharper and had way more on his punches than he did against Rowland. It's enough to make me believe his failed drug test after the Rowland fight for the diuretic wasn't a masking thing, but rather that Chavez simply needed it to cut weight. He was weak in that fight, which he was not last night.
If Chavez can continue to improve, there's no reason he can't have a fine career. He will not be his father. Few fighters in history have been that sort of guy, and to expect Junior to be an equivalent to his dad is unfair. Last night was the first time I truly believed he might be more than a guy with a name, though. I can't say I'm sure that he'll be more than that, because there's still work to be done and better scalps than Duddy's that would need taking for Chavez to be considered a legitimate threat at 160.
But it was all a big step in the right direction last night. A world class team seems to have brought out the best in Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
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Ariza earns the credit as much if not more than Roach. Chavez Jr has always had decent enough offensive talent and ability. Everyone who Duddy engages lights him up like that too. I mean, Chavez Jr’s offense is at least as good as Walid Smichet’s and we always knew that. It was basically everything else that was holding Chavez back. His defense seemed a tiny bit better, and maybe it was a lot better and only seemed only a minor improvement because Duddy was so active, but the main improvement was his conditioning. Had the same Chavez shown up last night as the one that did against Rowland, Sanchez, Vanda, Cuello, or any number of opponents he would have been gassed in the seventh or eighth round and stopped around the tenth.
That was a really entertaining card top to bottom by the way. I hadn’t seen that mentioned anywhere.
Great fight
I was at Ring side Yesterday and All I could say is that Duddy is a Tough Bastard and he took Alot of Hard shot From Jr. A few times I thought Jr. had him and would finsh Duddy but Duddy is Very Tough Fighter. Their is Talk about Jr. – Cotto, I say Bring It on.
Good fight but boring
Sorry I love boxing.. Or use to but I feel like Chavez JR although one of the best fighters right now.. Who cares he is not that good and that fight was boring vs a UFC fight.
Chav Jr. is NOT one of the best boxers around, or even close to it.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
so who is in your opinion
I have stopped watching recently becasue it got boring, and I am tired of watching recycled crap and paying 40 bucks on PPV for it.
Mayweather,Pacquaio,Chad Dawson,Sergio Martinez,Andre Ward,Tim Bradley,Yuriorkis Gamboa,The Klitschko’s,Lucian Bute and about 50 other guys are in front of Chavez and his misleading paper record.
He’s waaaay down the list and will get smashed as soon as he runs into a legit top 5 fighter.
Even in and around Chavez’ weight class (154-160) there’s plenty of guys better,most of whom his management will steer him clear of :
Paul Williams.
Sergio Martinez.
Sergei Dzinziruk.
Miguel Cotto.
Alfredo Angulo.
Ryan Rhodes.
Kermit Cintron.
Felix Sturm.
Anthony Mundine.
Sebastian Sylvester.
Matt Macklin.
Khoren Gevor.
Loads of guys ahead of him.
I’m confused, now. Are you asking me who is better than Julio Cesar Chavez Junior? That’s sort of like asking who is smarter than Paris Hilton.
To be clear, it’s not that he’s just “not among the best.” He’s not good at all. Yeah, he showed a little improvement in this fight, but when it takes you more than forty fights to step up in competition, and that step up fight is against John Duddy, nobody is going to throw you a ticker-tape parade. He is still mediocre fighter floating on his daddy’s name. He headlines Latin Fury cards because his dad is almost a religious figure down Mexico way.
We didn’t even do a RBR for this fight here at Bad Left Hook, because – while meaningful for Duddy and Chavez – the fight is meaningless in terms of the division and featured two very mediocre guys with plastic records. Chavez showed improvement in his jab, sure, but you could hit John Duddy blindfolded from outer space. Either one of them would get mauled by the top guys anywhere within a mile of their division.
Maybe you are confusing Julio with some other Junior.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Thaty was $ 39.99 well spent. Those guys came to fight. Great stuff in there. Junior won
my respect and then some. MAB looked good and Martinez looked great and Benevbidez looked super great. All in all, money well spent for a solid venue of fights.
Pray for Nick Charles
I disagree
Barrera looked shot but able to win against a nobody, but if he wants to keep fighting he has earned that. JCC jr. vs Duddy was pretty entertaining in spats, but not a great fight (not a terrible one, possibly fight of the month contendor??). Was it worth 40 to learn that while JCC jr. relatively impressed, he still appears to be a B fighter? Benevbidez was awesome though (that may justify the 40).
Chavez def looked well improved, sharper, more dynamic. And the real shocker for me – Jr.’s defense was giving Duddy a hell of a lot of problems down the stretch.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
It’s amazing – like everything he touches, recently anyway, turns to gold. Even guys like Karmazin and Matis seem to make great in fight adjustments. I’ve never seen anybody help guys improve overall, and adjust in the middle of a fight, like Roach.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Tell that to Gerry Penalosa
or Israel Vazquez
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Gerry was done before Roach got to him. I say Roach is great. I will say that until proven otherwise.
Pray for Nick Charles
Izzy pulled himself out of the first fight
No?
And then Roach wanted him to quit boxing due to him slurring his words. At least, that is what I believe, am I incorrect?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jun 28, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Freddie
is up there on his own today,imo.
By far the best and an ATG trainer and surely right up there with the best ever.
Ariza may deserve the credit for Junior's performance last night as much as Freddie.
Junior’s conditioning was unquestionably improved.
Yes, he was surely better all around but it’s hard to say he fought a smart fight given all of his physical advantages. Standing and trading was not only Duddy’s fight; it was his only hope.
Nevertheless, he beat him at his own game, so he gets props for performance though not necessarily for absolute intelligence.
Ariza
Is a genius.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jun 28, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get too excited.He only beat John Duddy :)
However,i admit that fight doesn’t seem as ridiculous as it did before.
at 160?
Cotto would be tiny. But hey, I think Cotto still might win at 160 against Chavez Jr. Chavez Jr. while relatively impressive doesn’t seem like anything approach a world class fighter right now imho. The question is can he keep improving.
I think I’m in the extreme minority here, but I’m not sure Cotto could take, at this point in his career, the punches Duddy took yesterday and remain standing. I don’t think Chavez is a better boxer than Cotto AT ALL, but I do think he’s younger, bigger and may hit hard enough to rattle Cotto. Remember, Yuri Foreman caught Cotto a few times and at least moved him and Foreman has no power whatsoever. Also, Cotto bleeds and swells a lot now. I dunno. I wish I was more positive about this fight, but I’m a little tentative… even if it was just John Duddy who Jr beat last night.
I think he would hurt Junior like he's never been hurt...
But I can’t disagree with you at all on Miguel’s ability to withstand much more punishment. I may be wrong but he has definitely begun to show responses that suggest there are limits.
I think I’m in the extreme minority here, but I’m not sure Cotto could take, at this point in his career, the punches Duddy took yesterday and remain standing.
I didn’t see the fight, but I’m certain that Chavez would land less often on Cotto than he did on Duddy.
Ok rgb
If Cotto loses to Chavez i will admit that i got it wrong and underestimated the guy.
I didn’t see the fight on saturday and i don’t plan on seeing it as i just don’t rate Chavez .As i said to you before i have seen him fight 3 or 4 times and he has impressed me less and less each time.So what if he looked good against Duddy (who i also don’t rate)?
And if your guy who you seem to have an infatuation with is so good lets see what happens if they put him in with a REAL middleweight or even a lightmiddle,i dunno,someone like Martinez or Williams or even Angulo or Cintron.He would get outclassed and/or hurt badly.
Cotto is a blown up 140lber who is small even at welterweight.He has also been in many tough,gruelling,career shortening fights against Mosley,Judah,Margarito and Pacquiao so please don’t pretend that a win for Chavez would take place in anything near resembling a fair,even weighted,young against young evenly matched fight because it wouldn’t.
He would be fighting an old Cotto in a division that is at least 2 above his prime weight.
And he (Chavez) will still lose. :D
by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be inhumane to send either John Duddy or Chav Jr. in against Cotto. Forget the size difference. He would devour them. These guys aren’t anywhere near his level. That’s not so much praise of Cotto as it is “these two guys just aren’t very good yet, and might never be.”
If that’s what this is about, if Arum is truly buttering up Chavez for a fight with Cotto, then God bless everyone involved with that disaster in the making, and let’s hope that Junior doesn’t get seriously hurt. Even the 60 or 70 % that is left of Miguel is enough to beat two Chavez’s and four Matt Vandas.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
So it is possible to polish a turd!
What can’t that Roach man do?!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
roach speaks of his relationship with alex Ariza as a partnership that can't be beat
So far, he’s got a pretty good case.
Whether it be the combination of the two or the fact that once a fighter chooses them to train, the bottom line is they get results.
Great conditioning, better training and match-making. That is something Roach has promises and delivers.
BTW, Given the fact that Ariza is at least part the story here, doesn’t that put another shadow over Floyd Sr. accusations about just Manny.
I meant to say
Whether it be the combination of the two or the fact that once a fighter chooses them (Roach/Ariza) to train, they have determined that they will in fact work harder and train correctly, the bottom line is they get results.

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