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The Apparition That Was Larry Holmes

Holmescooneypostersigned06_medium Like most Sundays here at Bad Left Hook, it's time to give your attention over to Ted "The Bull" Sares, who's back with another feature. Today, Ted looks back on the famous Larry Holmes-Gerry Cooney story.

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It [rage] was the part of me that always scared me a little because I never completely accepted the fact that I had it in me.

--Larry Holmes

I lost three times in my career. Losing to Holmes I could deal with, because I lost to a true champion.

--Gerry Cooney

I have to make him drunk before I mug him.

--Holmes

It was a hot Boston night in June 1982 and I was with friends at a ball room in Natick, Mass to watch the Larry Holmes-Gerry Cooney fight on large screen TV. It was being held at a steaming hot Caesars Palace in Las Vegas, Nevada and was the richest fight in boxing history to that time. The fight had been super-hyped. Cooney (25-0) was billed, cunningly and shamelessly by Don King, as the "Great White Hope," but he admittedly was very uncomfortable with that label. Holmes was 39-0. Someone's "0" had to go.

The fight polarized American boxing fans because a lot had been made about race. Don King made it about race. Don knew, of course, that white plus black equals green. Cooney was made into the good guy who was going to win the "title for America." But the affable and sensitive Cooney wanted nothing to do with it. He just wanted to be champion. Holmes did not buy in. Instead, he used the hype to work for him.

I'll never forget an incredibly fit and ready Holmes coming quickly down the aisle to the sound of McFadden & Whitehead's appropriate Ain't No Stopping Me Now. He seemed focused-perhaps by controlled anger-- and was looking straight ahead free of any glitz; he also looked somewhat vulnerable and solitary-almost like an apparition. The crowd seemed to be totally for Cooney. It wasn't that they booed Larry as much as their cheers for Gentleman Jerry were deafening.. And that was the case in The Natick ball room as well. Hell, Holmes looked almost ghost-like (at least to me) and that's when I began to do some introspection as to why I was rooting for Cooney.

Holmes, the WBC Champion who had fought under the shadow of Ali, had the great jab to go with his marvelous overhand right and deadly uppercut, while Gentleman Gerry Cooney had the devastating left hook. And when it landed flush, it could be measured by a seismograph. Both had taken the measure of Ken Norton, but the Norton that Cooney sent to Mandingo Dreamland was a shot fighter. Clearly, Holmes had fought the far better opposition. Moreover, Jerry's two prior fights against Norton and a faded Ron Lyle lasted a total of 183 seconds. In fact, he had KO'd his last nine opponents and while this was impressive, it could serve to his disadvantage if the fight went into the later rounds.

The Fight

The "Easton Assassin" started fast establishing his great jab, while Jerry was shooting out one jab at a time. In the second round, Cooney was decked and hurt by an overhand right, but Holmes wisely took his time because he knew Cooney's left could be dangerous if he moved in for the kill.

A patient Holmes continued to pepper Cooney with his jab, but Cooney came back in the third with some solid left hooks. Jerry was now closing the gap and the crowd was up and roaring at every Cooney punch. Both smiled at each other after the third showing what I interpreted to be mutual respect. Through the fourth canto, Cooney proved that he belonged in the same ring with Holmes as they both gave and took. The crowd was chanting, "Cooney, Cooney, Cooney," and the audience in the ball room was screaming as loud as it could. Jerry responded by whacking Holmes with several great hooks.

Amazingly, in the fifth round, Cooney's jab began to compliment his hooks and he became the aggressor, but Holmes remained patient. At the end of round five, the fight appeared to be dead even, but smart money people and aficionados knew that Holmes always took the long route.

Holmes was back on his toes in the sixth using good movement, but he was rocked by a Cooney right upstairs and then a later hook to the body. Then, with seconds left in the round, Holmes caught Cooney with six hard rights that almost sent Jerry threw the ropes and also rendered a nasty cut over his left eye. Cooney did land three solid hooks at the very end of the round, but clearly, Holmes had seized the momentum.

After seven rounds, Holmes seemed the more confident fighter. Trainer Victor Valle implored Cooney to get in close and end things. He was worried that the cut and swollen eye might become a decisive, fight ending factor.

In the eighth stanza, Larry began to get into cruise control using his jab to fight smartly, but toward the end of the round, both men exchanged heavy shots. Holmes had now taken Cooney into deep waters for the first time in Cooney's career, but the tall Irishman appeared to be up to the task notwithstanding his eye which had begun to bleed again.

After having a solid ninth round, Cooney hit Holmes with a brutal low blow (the first of three for which he would be deducted points in the fight). Gentlemen Jerry had been warned and it had to take something out of Holmes. But it gave Jerry time to rest. On balance, the advantage was to Cooney

A Show of Respect

The tenth round was a good one for Cooney as he delivered several punishing shots to the body, but Holmes countered with great stuff upstairs. Wow, what a round! Cooney simple would not go away. At the bell, Holmes tapped Cooney on his back in a show of respect and right there and then I switched over to cheering for Holmes. I really can't say why, but I think it might have been that he was the champion and he was fighting like a champion seemingly against all odds. Or maybe it was because I was not going to fall victim to a promoter's carefully orchestrated hype job based on the wrong variables.

At any rate and in the eleventh, both exchanged shots and both seemed to be holding up well. But then referee Mills Lane (who essentially had no clinches to worry about) deducted another point from Cooney for a low blow.

In the twelfth round, Cooney began to show sign of running out of gas though he was able to land some good shots early. Holmes seized on this and was up on his toes again shooting out his jab just as effectively as he had in round one. At the end of the round, Cooney took several hard rights and his now bleeding eye may have impacted his vision. Meanwhile the crowd picked up the chant again, "Jerry, Jerry, Jerry." But the beginning of the end was at hand. And even die-hard Cooney fans could sense it.

In the thirteenth round, Holmes began to measure Cooney whose legs were now rubbery. Then, with just seconds left, Holmes walked though his valiant opponent and landed a number of vicious shots (I counted ten in all). Some came by combination and most were rights. Finally, Jerry stumbled in stages like he was drunk and then he collapsed against the ropes-though he never really hit the canvas. But Victor Valle had seen enough and entered the ring to save his fighter from further punishment thus allowing Mills Lane to halt the mugging.

Cooney fought skillfully and bravely and had absolutely nothing for which to be ashamed. Some even believe he was winning until he was deducted the points for repeated low blows. In fact, despite the deductions, Cooney was not that far behind on the cards. Judge Duane Ford had it 113-111, Dave Moretti also had it 113-111, but Jerry Roth scored it a more realistic 115-109. But after 12 rounds, the more skillful and experienced Holmes finally wore him down.

Larry Holmes would go on to a glorious career. The late historian Herb Goldman ranked him as the number three among the all-time heavyweights. Larry was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 2008.

For me, the fight was an indelible memory because it remained just that-a fight.

Visit the author's website at www.tedsares.com and sign his guest book

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I remember listening to this fight on the radio as a teenager (I didn’t have any way to see it on tv). I was from Cooney’s hometown, so I was a big supporter. It was pretty heartbreaking when Cooney lost, but looking back he fought a great fight against a truly great, and often underappreciated champion. The amazing thing is, I remember how big this fight was- immeasurably larger than any of the PPV extravaganzas of today. It was on the covers of all the newspapers and magazines, talked about constantly on tv – and not just sports shows. It was a different era for boxing. And Cooney should be able to look back on the fight with pride and his head held high, as, of course, should the great Larry Holmes. I’m glad I was there to experience it.

by ocelot on Jun 27, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice one, as ever Ted.

I don’t remember seeing this fight, I wish they’d show reruns instead of all the usual crap. You hear of so many great fights which need to be replayed, thus giving younger fans a crack at seeing some entertaining/historic fights.
Why so long for the Hall (2008)??
Cheers!!

by Phill on Jun 27, 2010 6:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

There’s a great HBO Legendary Nights episode on Holmes-Cooney. And Holmes took so long for the Hall because he only retired at the end of 2002 after beating the legendary Butterbean!

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Jun 27, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

OliGold..

Thanks for the info.

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah they just repeat the same old stuff usually don’t they Phil?
The big dope Bunce is showing some slightly rarer stuff on ESPN Classic at the moment though,called ‘British Boxing Heroes’.Just half hour shows.Not sure if it’s free if you don’t subcribe.
There has been Honeyghan v Starling/Vaca and John H Stracey v Hedgemon Lewis,etc.
It beats watching rerun after rerun of ‘The Thrilla in Manilla’,etc :)

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you don’t subscribe to ESPN UK,i meant.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheers Matt,

I’ll have a squint on Sky, I lose track of what we do and don’t get! That’s if I can get the remote of “Mrs Grief” ;-)

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sort of like how Hearns isn't in yet

Because he still keeps fighting scrubs every five years.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Jun 28, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it kinda sucks that Tommy isn't in it yet.

Just another year though, I guess. This year’s entrants – or is it next year, I’m not sure – are going to be awesome: Tyson and Tzsyu. I also really hope the Prince gets in there sometime soon. Think the guy just about deserves it.

"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"

by Oli Goldstein on Jun 28, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

:Holmes-Cooney" of '82 IS

one of the all-time great heavyweight battles ever fought since 1887. In 1982, Holmes was thought to be aging and Cooney was thought to be young, powerful and green.. All in all the almost 13 rds fought proved thrilling and interesting; even the stoppage by Victor Valle was off beat… This epic lived up to the hype in my book… I was picking “The Homer” from the start

To many casual sports folks back in 1982 were looking too much at Cooney’s 25-0-0 (21) KO’s record and failing to see Holmes’ 39-0-0 (29) KO’s record….. Not me…

I have a copy of the fight on VHS and I often review the tape when I’m buzzin’ good off some Bourbon and in the mood for some good fight action……..

I also like reviewing Holmes versus " Norton, Shavers and Snipes" when all lit up…….

OH! I just saw “Norton-Cobb” from ’80 off Youtube…….. IMO, Texas Cobb was butt-shafted….. Norton was too glued to the ropes while a sloppy but aggressive Cobb flailed away with lefts and rights, many which hit and missed, while getting nailed in return by good counters from Norton…… Still, on my card, Norton just fell short………

MR.BILL

Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.

by MRBILL40 on Jun 27, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Took me back to 1982

Biggest fight of my life as far as media coverage and interest . Two weeks before the fight the Aussie 60 minutes did a story on it . I was 16 years old and savagely geeing for Larry to smash Cooney because of the unfair media coverage . Fuck , didn’t Ronald Reagan ring Cooney before the fight and wish him good luck? Cooney fought surprisingly well but the judging was outrageous. Cosell’s commentary was heavily biased towards Cooney as well. Like Mister Bill said it was a really entertaining fight to watch. With hindsight a tall slow stalker with a huge left hook wasnt going to beat Larry , Holmes was a genius in regard to not getting hit with left hooks , he was like the polar opposite of Ali . Ali always had a weakness to the left hook , Larry to the overhand right thrown over his jab . Beautifully written piece Ted , it took me back to 82 like it was yesterday. Boxing was so much bigger then , everyone knew who the Heavyweight champion of the world was . Cheers Ted , blokes.

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Jun 27, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Cooney Showed A Huge Heart in the fight too

All credit to him.

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Jun 27, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Saw this event live on “closed circuit” (remember those things?). Cosell was going wild in the 10th as Cooney was backing up Holmes….I sure miss Howard at boxing shows but most especially on Monday Night Football.
Had Cooney been brought up through the ranks properly (i.e. not fighting stiffs and suckers for left hooks like Norton) he might really have been a champ.

by FrankinDallas on Jun 27, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Frank.

If you want to see a good ko on CCTV, type in “cross dresser knock out” on YT. You’ll enjoy it!

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

FranklinDallas – not only that, but after the showing against Holmes, if Cooney hadn’t self-destructed emotionally he could have become champ a couple of years down the line. He was never the same fighter after the loss.

by ocelot on Jun 27, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Great article. I was a wee bit young to have seen this live, or to have really appreciated Holmes in his prime. For a long time, my knowledge of him was just that he was a really good fighter with a fantastic jab.

Then I saw his fight against Shavers on Youtube, and saw how he managed to get up from that one shot Shavers landed late in the fight that probably would’ve brought down a building… to this day, I have no idea how he wasn’t knocked cold by that.

by Verklemptomaniac on Jun 27, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Jerry Cooney

To this day I cannot help but think that if Cooney had about 3 good 10 or 12 round fights during the 12 months leading up to the Holmes fight things might have been different for Jerry. This is not to take away from Larry Holmes as he would be a tough opponent in his prime for any heavyweight that ever lived.
Cooney’s quick KO’s leading up to the fight were spectacular but may not have helped Cooney be prepared for a long, tough fight. Jerry Cooney no doubt would have beat some champions in the past or present. This was a great fight that makes most of the recent heavyweight title fight seem dull

by Tex Hassler on Jun 27, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I've only done

Closed-Circuit TV for two fights that I know of: “Hagler-Mugabi” and “DLH-Chavez 1” and I didn’t like doing the ballroom thing with high priced warm beers and flooded bathrooms…..

I’ll do PPV TV at my pad or in my hotel room with a broad, stoney weed, Bourbon on ice with a crapper and sink just down the hall….. Of course with the A/C flowing freely through the air……. Why fight the crowd at the arena these nights when you can’t smoke a cigar or take a bong rip between rds??

MR.BILL

Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.

by MRBILL40 on Jun 27, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

"...or take a bong rip between rds.?"

Hall of fame post by MRBILL

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 27, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Any decent hotel

in the downtown area is gonna have at least a 27" inch TV with a VCR hook-up, if not, I’ll hook on up, and enjoy the fight in comfort……. That is the way I prefer to do things when I’m on the road…… WORD!

MR.BILL

Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.

by MRBILL40 on Jun 27, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

--
Clearly, Holmes had fought the far better opposition.

Key phrase. And Cooney had never been more than eight rounds.

Great management to make put Cooney in this fight if you think you have a very flawed guy and need to grab the money while you can. Amateur and irresponsible management otherwise.

How not to bring a fighter along 101.

by Don From Prov on Jun 27, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Right,

if the only goal was money and the fighter wasn’t very good.

by Don From Prov on Jun 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rich + unfulfilled potential =

rich and unfulfilled potential.

But, yes black + white can = green.
Although Don King is a pimp and a murderer. A shrewd one maybe

by Don From Prov on Jun 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

murderers can be shrewd indeed. But he was a manslaughterer, was he not?

And he did two guys in at that. Nobody ever messed with him too much because he was very baaaaaad.

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 28, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My God, this is a masterpiece!

by pugknows on Jun 27, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Outstanding work like always, Ted. You the man

If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.

by Violent Demise on Jun 27, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, Viloent and Pug. I truly appreaciate that.

I heard the song on my car radio and it inspired me to write this piece as it brought back some great memories. Hope it did for you as well. I also watched the entire fight onvideo and wrote while watching. It was a blast (no pun intended).
 

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Be as it may that Cooney was

green in 1982, he still rose to the occasion and gave Holmes a great fight and paycheck……. Cooney performed well for being a rookie in BIG fights………. The overall scoring was dubious but, in the end, it didn’t matter…… Holmes TKO 13 Cooney….

MR.BILL

Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.

by MRBILL40 on Jun 28, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Relived in style Tedmei

Yeah mate, I remember Holmes acknowledging Cooney’s gutsy effort after that big 10th round. I love that shit.

A true superfight – boxer vs puncher – shamelessly promoted as you stated, and as JC mentioned, massive news down here in Oz too. Watched it in Adelaide amongst a lounge full of sixteen yr olds all fired up on shit local beer. Cooney was a class act during the build-up and fought better than I expected. I was a big Easton Assassin fan before the fight and a bigger one after it. He made some noise in this one.

A career defining fight for both would you say Ted?

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Jun 28, 2010 4:32 AM EDT reply actions  

hmmmmm

full of sixteen yr olds

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

…Tedmeister

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Jun 28, 2010 4:32 AM EDT reply actions  

AS a Kid

I remember how much hate there was for Larry for this fight. People wanted and hope for Larry to get beat. My father made bets all over the place…all on Larry. He and myself wasn’t sold on Cooney. Cooney was big, strong and had a very good punch..but could he take a punch and how would he cope with Larry’s jab. Well in the end…Cooney did a good job but lost. My Father walked away with a boat load of money…and Larry was still a Villan in the eyes of most people. Larry to this day dosn’t get the respect that he should get.

by NJ Big T on Jun 28, 2010 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh and as always

Great job Ted. Your the man.

by NJ Big T on Jun 28, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Cooney - Holmes

Cooney was mismanaged. He fought 5 rounds in 2 years prior to Holmes and no fights for 13 months prior to the fight. He had gone 8 rounds 3 times. He was ill prepared otherwise may have taken Holmes out with body shots. As far as Holmes being #3 all time I wonder where Joe Louis, Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali rank? The beating Tyson gave him is one of my favorite replays.

by KenHissner on Jun 28, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

great great fight. i miss the build up to fights like this one had. hbo’s 24/7 just doesn’t cut it at all compared to this fight. not even close.

cooney just wasn’t ready mentally for someone as good as holmes at that time. cooney then went on to dissapoint the rest of his career. tons of wasted and mismanaged talent.

 spinks blasting him out is kinda sad to see. however, i think george said that cooney hit him harder than anyone ever, i guess thats worth something.

"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston

by sonofapsycho on Jun 28, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

spinks blasting him out is kinda sad to see

I can’t watch that.

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 28, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was almost as if I was at teh fight. Good stuff here Ted.

by dollarbond on Jun 28, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

HBO's 24/7 series sucks ass.

I like HBO the best for live fights, but as of late, being the last 5 or 6 yrs, the network has dropped a notch and now seems to televise a whole lotta’ crapola………

Showtime has always been # 2 compared to HBO and I don’t see that changing, either…

ESPN has sucked eggs eversince it went onto the airwaves back in circa—’79…..

MR.BILL

Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.

by MRBILL40 on Jun 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

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Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 28, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Write Up,Ted

I still haven’t seen this fight as i haven’t bought Holmes’ career set on dvd yet.I was only about 3 at the time so obviously couldn’t see it live on tv. :)
Your article gave a great insight though and i didn’t realise that Cooney gave him such a good fight.
Good stuff and i look forward to watching this.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Three my arse.

I reckon you’re older than me!!!!!

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha!

31 pal.Honest.What are you,50ish? :)

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha!

I’m joshing……….I thought you were about 46.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah you look younger really mate.
I’m too nice that’s my trouble. :)

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus--

Where are the sexist and homophobia, etc. police on this site now?

What we have here is———ageism. Pure and simple.
Pure and simple and nasty. 50ish??

If you live to be fifty, you will regret what you’ve said here today. Shame shame.
There might be some hate crime statute this shite falls under. Watch out.

And don’t start a fight with an old man; if he’s too old to fight, he’ll just shoot you—

Something like that.

by Don From Prov on Jun 28, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

What,regret asking someone his age?Hahaha!
I genuinely thought the guy was about 50 :)
He’ll shoot me??…Not when i shoot him first. :D

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

no: You’ll regret your callus dismissal of those who are 50ish, once you yourself reach—

See? Again, if you do reach fifty.
Plus, there is the ageist assumption that 50 = something nasty. Worse than sexism. Far so.

But I wouldn’t worry about a 50 yr. old shooting you.
Most are arthritic and can’t pull the trigger. Or got them cataracts and can’t see—

by Don From Prov on Jun 28, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Send me some of them drugs Don!! Hahahaha!
I have great respect for the 50ish by the way.
Me dad’s a 60ish type so i know all about your kind. :D

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not if i kill him first. :D
Only joking.I respect my elders.Most of em anyway. :)

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not suprised.I have read Stephen King books. :)

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

jesus .

Where I come from it’s the kids (hoodies) running around with guns ‘n knives not the oap’s .

by Sir Jack Daniels on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now,

if you point out how old Ted is

that’s cool.

I mean, one has to be reasonable.
Plus, I don’t share my drugs. You seem like a nice guy, Matt, but that is gun time—

:)

by Don From Prov on Jun 28, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Some would say i am,some might not but i don’t care much for those ‘might not’ types.
What matters is what you think of yourself is it not?
And i don’t do drugs……………..anymore. :)
I seen the light….partly thanks to boxing
Praise the Lord!!!!

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So old,

That when he was at school, they didn’t have history!

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm so old that I no longer have to check the obituary section of my

college magazine. I’m the only one left in my class!!!!!!!!!!!

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I can recall fights or events the way way you do Ted,

When I’m near 70… AND with such clarity…(if I get there).. I’ll be happy, mate.

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And I'm the Pope.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Jun 29, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your on the money Don

Wilf Bramlett aka Harold Steptoe played Macca’s grandpa in" A Hard Days Night " . That was a running gag in the movie " and he’s a clean old man " .

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Jun 29, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which

some of us are becoming.

A rebellion is in order. Old men should stink

And be mean about it, too.
Sit on the porch with shotgun in lap and spitting juice out of what used to be the bi-cuspids. A ratty-ass dog is optional. Attitude is not.

by Don From Prov on Jun 30, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt

You still running?

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 3:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Trying to get back into it.Work finally picked up though so am grafting hard at the moment wi me dad.We’re both bricky’s like.
He’s nearly ready for the retiremnent home though :)
I went up to about 15 stone when off work so long (right lard arse)
Down to just under 14 now though.When work not too busy i tend to train more.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching Brazil in the other room at the minute.Weather been too hot to run.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell me about it

Just had a couple of weeks away. I had to run early doors. You know it’s f’kn hot when your shins are sweatin. Seriously!
Pissin down here in Wallasey now.
Glad to hear biz is pickin up, I remember you said it was slack last year.

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They look good don’t they?I ‘m not a footy fan usually but i like watching quality teams int World Cup.
Talking of shitty teams,how terrible were England yesterday,on a scale of -10 to 0?
I’ve got a few bets on.Brazil v Argies and Brazil v Spain final.
Good to watch them teams even oif you don;t much like football,imo.

by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're all

An over paid bunch of fannys if I’m honest mate. Never been a footy fan.

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can understand it thiugh

The atmosphere at the games can be great.
Can’t compare to that of a big fight though eh?

by Phill on Jun 28, 2010 4:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I played for a div 4 team and twice a year we’d take a trip out to Mobilong prison to play the inmates. The entire community would line the pitch and cheer em on. Every other team in our division was aggro, but not the inmates, they played it cool or they didn’t play the next week. Couple of numbnuts took their chicks with them on the 160 km round trip – they had to wait outside in the car and listen to the radio.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Jun 29, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goaty..

Sounds like a bunch of people playing…. because they love it, to me mate. All the right reasons.

by Phill on Jun 29, 2010 7:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just popped in my copy of "Holmes-Cooney" just before 10 bells tonight with a pint of Kentucky Gentleman

And I’m gonna re-live myself some old times…. Yeah, buddy…….

Gerry “Boy” Cooney was green as the Jolly Green Giant, but in great shape at 225 pounds and ready as he ever would be under the circumstances…..

Larry Holmes was too in awesome shape at 212 pounds and fast as lightning for a heavyweight age 32 years old…..

Nimrods’ who criticize Holmes’ abilities and skills in 1982 are so full of spit it makes me ill….. These detractors’ are certainly fools……

Cooney’s losing effort was a worthy effort to say the least….. He came to fight / win…..

A great 80s heavyweight title fight……

Runners up: “Dokes-Weaver 2” and “Coetzee-Dokes.” But people have seemingly forgotten them bouts cuz they were bogus WBA bouts….. I DIG THEM fights for review…..

MR.BILL

Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.

by MRBILL40 on Jun 29, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Coetzee-Dokes.

BooooiiiiiinnnnnnGGGGGG!

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Jun 30, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I reviewed my

“Norton-Holmes” epic from 1978 and I now have the painfully dull “Ali-Stinks 2” rolling from New Orleans….. Ali showed he could still bounce, hold and snap a jab, but his power was reduced to a light-heavyweight by this juncture….. WORD!

MR.BILL

Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.

by MRBILL40 on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

It did

Suck pretty bad and hard…….

Leon Stink would get iced in ’79 by Coetzee…….. Ali would film “Freedom Road.”

MR.BILL

Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.

by MRBILL40 on Jul 2, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff Ted . Holmes is much under rated as a great by most imo . His encounters with Trevor “mad as a box of frogs” Burbick were memorable to say the least ( Holmes turning into Hulk Hogan with a flying drop kick in a car park always makes me chuckle ). I thought it was a bit sad ending his career in a scap with Butterbean given who he’d mixed with in the past . Nice one .

by Sir Jack Daniels on Jul 4, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Hi

Sir Jack. Do you celebrate the 4th of July there?

Or is it weep and gnash the teeth, though we aren’t all that much to “lose”?

Good to see you again.
Brutal hot here in Attleboro and I took the dog to for a bit of a swim.

Close the shades, watch a movie—froch all this shit.

by Don From Prov on Jul 5, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Hi Prov

Great to hear you .
No mate , no 4th July celebrations here . We leave that to you fellas .
 To be honest the cononies were getting a little unruly when we “let them go” . A bit like a teenager who’s outgrown the family home , best to let them loose to fend for themselves . No weeping just a smile of satisfaction seeing how well that unruly child progressed using the tools provided by its parent . hehehehe . (tounge in cheek Ted / Prov / USA generally)

We’ve had it hot here for a while ( not USA hot of course but anything over 12c is “hot” in these parts).

Haven’t been able to check the boards of late due to my employer expecting me actually do some work and sometimes to travel to some very shit places ( and I do mean shit ) at the drop of a hat . Apart from being away from my beloved pc ( not allowed to have one on me or take one with me when I’m working ) everything is good here .

Just catching up on the posts etc.Some funny stuff goes on here . Good to see your still calling out injustice when you see it ….over 50 is not old ….just older than 49 !!! Hope all is great with you and the dog mate .

Nice one

ps "froch all this shit " …hahaha …like it .

by Sir Jack Daniels on Jul 5, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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