Bad Left Hook Fight Preview: Yuri Foreman v. Miguel Cotto
On many Saturday nights in June, Yankee Stadium in the Bronx is filled with passionate fans. But this Saturday night will be different. The fans won't be there to catch the Yankees, they'll be there to see Miguel Cotto step up to 154 pounds and challenge alphabet titlist Yuri Foreman, as boxing makes its debut at the new Yankee Stadium.
WBA Junior Middleweight Title: Yuri Foreman v. Miguel Cotto (12 Rounds)
Any photo you've seen of these two together (including the one to your right) demonstrates the clear size difference between these two fighters. Miguel Cotto (32-2, 27 KO) was a small welterweight, and is absolutely tiny for a junior middleweight. Yuri Foreman (28-0, 8 KO) is a big, solid 154-pound fighter.
Foreman stands 5'11" with a 72-inch reach, compared to Cotto's 5'7" and 67-inch reach. They're both 29 years of age, but Foreman has taken far, far less punishment in his career -- no punishment at all, really. Foreman's first step onto the true world stage came last November on the Cotto-Pacquiao undercard, when he took the WBA belt from Daniel Santos, who was old, out of shape, and clearly well past the days when he was a very underrated fighter.
For the most part, Foreman has been able to dominate his limited foes, but he has had some trouble with the likes of Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson, both of whom lost split decisions to Foreman in 2007. There is a question of whether or not Foreman can handle real pressure from a good fighter, one who can bang. Cotto was no monster puncher at 147, and won't be at 154 either, but the Cotto of old was one of the best pressure fighters in boxing.
Cotto will need to be that guy again. After a two-fight stint with Joe Santiago serving as his lead trainer, Cotto is now working with Hall of Famer Emanuel Steward, who had been in talks to serve as an adviser to Foreman for this bout. On paper, Foreman, who is tall and likes to use his jab, is more Manny's kind of fighter. But Steward loves a reclamation project, too. The work he's done in recent years with Wladimir Klitschko has been arguably the best work of his career, even including Thomas Hearns. He's taken Klitschko from a very powerful but very susceptible heavyweight to a man who isn't indestructible, but has learned to be damn near impenetrable.
Steward has had his best success with tall guys, guys with big power. But that doesn't mean he can't do well with Miguel Cotto. He's clearly a big believer in Cotto's talent, and having observed Miguel's recent fights from ringside while working for HBO, maybe he sees something important missing in Miguel's game plan. As a novice observer of tactics, my feeling is that Miguel Cotto has just gotten away from what made him the force he was. He was a vicious little guy who targeted the body in a beautifully savage manner, who wore down tough opponents and rarely let them get into their rhythm very effectively. Miguel Cotto beat a very good Shane Mosley in 2007, but since then has been up-and-down.
Cotto has fought five times since the win over Mosley, going 3-2. He easily dispatched of patsy opponents Alfonso Gomez and Michael Jennings, but between those bouts was worn down by Antonio Margarito. The first half of that bout looked like something of a master class from Cotto, who was fighting differently, clearly aware of Margarito's size and power, clearly aware that Antonio did not wear down easily. But as he was building up a sizable score card lead, he was taking punishment the whole time. And eventually the punishment was too much.
After beating Jennings, he fought Joshua Clottey and escaped with a hard-fought split decision, a fight I felt than and feel now that Cotto won, but mostly because Clottey's rounds of inactive indifference allowed that to happen. Miguel Cotto was good and he was tough that night, and he fought very brave, but more than anything I believe Clottey gave the fight away. Again, Cotto was against a guy he couldn't really damage. Clottey went down off-balance in the first round, but that was fluky. And Cotto still wasn't the vicious attacker he used to be.
We all know what happened last November as Manny Pacquiao simply sliced and diced Miguel Cotto down the stretch. Cotto was doing the best he could, but was overwhelmed by Pacquiao's speed, power and offensive genius.
So how does he combat Foreman?
As a Miguel Cotto fan who just wants to see the best Cotto, I hope Manny Steward has him ready to eat jabs on his way in to attack the body. That's the only way Miguel Cotto can overcome the size difference, the fact that he's no longer the fighter he used to be (though Cotto is, I believe, still a hell of a good fighter), and what may be some self-doubt.
And I don't think I can see Yuri Foreman holding up well under a grueling close quarters attack from Cotto, either. Foreman is a nice story and a nice guy, but he is in no way a special talent. He's very sound and doesn't make mistakes, but he's got little pop and lives and dies on being able to outbox the other man. He can outbox Cotto if Cotto isn't sharp, too.
If Yuri Foreman wins this fight, it'll probably be clear, widely scored, and dull. If Miguel Cotto wins this fight, it will be because he brings a major storm onto Foreman that Foreman cannot handle. It might just be that I really believe that Cotto is still a very good fighter, and it could just be that I want that to be the case. But I'm expecting a re-focused, re-energized Miguel Cotto on Saturday night to bang out a decision win and get some of his mojo back. If it goes the way I expect, I also will say I don't think Yuri Foreman will ever reach these heights again. Cotto UD-12
Junior Middleweights: Vanes Martirosyan v. Joe Greene (10 Rounds)
Top prospect Martirosyan (27-0, 17 KO) survived a very tough scrape with veteran Kassim Ouma in January with his undefeated record intact, but it was a close call. It was the first time that the confident, 24-year-old Martirosyan had been tested. Overall, I thought he acquitted himself pretty nicely. Most top prospects get that scare.
Greene (22-0, 14 KO) is taking a risk with this one. Mean Joe's climb up the prospect ladder has hit a speed bump, as he fought just once in 2009 (a win over Delray Raines) and also fought on April 2 against well-known opponent Chris Gray, a tricky sort of guy, to get tuned up for this bout.
Greene's a good fighter, but probably doesn't have the level of polish that Martirosyan does, and certainly doesn't have his pedigree. It's a big measuring stick bout for Greene in particular. Martirosyan is further along in his development, and I think has to be considered the solid favorite. A good fight for both, no matter who wins, will serve to strengthen their profiles, but obviously the winner is very close to a possible title shot in the weak 154-pound weight class. Martirosyan UD-10
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in theory, with that height advantage, yuri should box cottos ears off all night. i think he takes this if he can stay standing upright.
with that said, i picked cotto. i think yuri’s going to get hosed of a decision win.
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I’ll take Foreman by a tactical, slightly boring, but nonetheless impressive UD. Foreman is going to use his very good movement, along with his height advantage, to outbox Miguel for most of the evening. Cotto will have his moments, particularly if he can force Foreman onto the ropes and attack the body, but I don’t think it will be enough.
I can also see a Foreman TKO late in the fight on a cut. Cotto has been badly bloodied in the Margarito, Clottey, and Pacman fights recently, and if Foreman can find the range on the jab and keep sticking it in Cotto’s face, he could pull out a win that way.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 4, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
SC, I may be biased because I am also a huge Cotto fan, but I see the same things you see. I do expect an energized Cotto and a Cotto who will go back to his roots, if not completely, enough to get the deed done here. If he loses, though, or eeks out a win a-la-Clottey, I will think it is time for him to retire. I hope not though.
I’m not sure how much a Foreman UD would mean to Cotto in terms of his career moving forward. Honestly, if he just gets outboxed by a much larger man at a weight class he really doesn’t belong in, I don’t know that necessarily = Cotto being finished. I think matching him with Berto would be interesting. A Clottey rematch would also be worthwhile, and there’s always the possibility of a Margarito rematch as well, despite the fact that he’s repeatedly said he wouldn’t do it (which might still be the biggest $ fight out there for him).
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps you’re right, but it’s also got to be deeply demoralizing. If his mind has been shaken after the Margarito fight, it certainly would not help to lose two fights in a row, especially after all that’s happened in his personal life too. I think he needs a rebound fight, and if this fight fails to be such a thing, then there may not be anywhere else to go, mentally.
He said, before he hired Steward, that if he won this fight he would fight once more and call it a career as he had promised when he first began (he said he would retire by 30). Then, after he hired Steward and started seeing some results, he said he could postpone his retirement. But if he loses a wide UD to Foreman, he might be inclined to go back to his original plan.
Agreed. I would like Cotto to win tomorrow, but I think the size difference may turn out to be a very significant factor.
This fight reminds me a bit of Diaz-Malignaggi, another fight between a smaller pressure fighter and a larger feather-fisted boxer. I believe that if Diaz and Malignaggi were the same size, their two fights would have turned out very differently. But they aren’t the same size, and that made a huge impact. Paulie has a good jab and good (if declining) movement, but his size allowed him not to have to rely on only those things to keep Juan off of him – he was also able to use his length and, if they got tangled inside, his strength. Plus it reduced the impact of Diaz’s punches – obviously, Diaz isn’t a terribly hard puncher, but that’s beside the point – the difference between his power against a lightweight vs. his power against a junior welterweight still matters a lot.
Cotto is a better pound-for-pound fighter than Diaz is, but the two matchups still have some similarities.
Interesting analogy
and one which may well hold up, IMO.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I’ve been saying for a long time now that Cotto needed a new corner… someone outside of his family or circle of friends who could bring more objectivity and an outsider’s point of view, so I am very anxious to see what Steward has been able to do with Cotto. Even if, on paper, this is not the best pairing ever made, I think Steward’s pursuit of Cotto (he’s been saying he wants to train Cotto for a long time – he even approached Cotto for the Pac fight and Cotto said: “thanks, but no thanks”) is indicative that he thinks he can tap Cotto’s potential. We’ll see what happens on Saturday.
I was always under the impression that the way for a pressure fighter to beat a longer, more technically skilled fighter (especially one without much power) is to just walk through their jabs in the early rounds, eating them if you have to, and pound away at the body to wear the other guy down. Guys like Cotto in fights like this get in trouble when they headhunt (because they have to reach and, if the taller opponent has any kind of head movement, they’ll be tough to hit consistently) or if they don’t know how to work the body.
Cotto knows how to punch to the body and he’s got the chin to absorb Foreman’s shots in the early rounds. Plus, he’s got Manny. I think Foreman’s got a shot if he’s quicker, slicker, or tougher than I’m giving him credit for being, but I think Cotto wins this, either by decision or late-round TKO.
by Verklemptomaniac on Jun 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
Cotto will be bring the heat all night and will break the reach and defense of Foreman. I think Cotto wins by UD also. He’s going to land the more meaningful punches. I do however think that there will be some nice toe to toe standoffs. Neither guy seems to think the other has any chance to knock them out.
You can ready my full prediction on my Examiner site if your interested.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner~y2010m6d4-CottoForeman-prediction
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Jun 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
If someone doesn’t call Foreman by KO2 pretty soon, I’m going to be mighty disappointed.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
For cotto to win
He’ll need to follow Thompson’s gameplan. If he can get inside and stay there, then I have little doubt that he will win. Foreman stinks inside and that’s his one real weakness. But I also think that Foreman is a lot better than most give him credit for, and that Cotto will have a lot of trouble with Foreman’s length. I’m just not sure Cotto has the killer left in him to do what he needs to do to beat Foreman. I don’t think Cotto’s shot either – just Foreman is a horrible style matchup for post-Mosley Cotto. If Cotto fights like he did against Zab though, he should roll.
Btw, no way Tsurkan deserved any cards against the krusher. He maybe won two rounds in that fight.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 4, 2010 6:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If this was the old old Yankee stadium with teh 296’ right field fence, I’d go with Foreman who generally pulls his punches. But now, with the Monuments behind the center field fence and generally easy homers, I’ll go with Cotto to hit one out of the park and take Forman with him. Unless it rains, in that case Foreman takes advantage of the slow grass to lull Cotto to sleep.
One more thing? Will the have two line umpires like they do in the World Series? It may make a difference with respect to low blows and rabitt punches.
I'm with the crowd here....
Cotto by UD or late round stoppage.
Quite simply, I think Cotto is extremely difficult to beat unless you can back him down with power. He’s relentless with his attack unless you can hurt him. Cotto was winning the Margarito fight handily through 6, until Margarito was able to back him down with (ahem) power. And, althought I don’t think it was discussed much, Cotto won round 1 against Pacquiao, he won the round other than the balance shot KD, and Round 4 was a toss-up until Pacquiao finally stung him at the end of the round (to be clear, he lost every round in the fight handily past round 4). Bottom line, Foreman doesn’t have enough power to take him away from his game, and Cotto’s damn tough to beat when he stays on his game.
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When I said "he won the round other than the balance shot KD"
I missed a word in there. It was “third.” I’ll let you figure out where to put it.
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Really? Cotto?
I generally like Cotto, but I think it’s going to be a semi-snoozer with Foreman taking a pretty wide UD. Foreman may not have the power to take Cotto off his game, but I don’t think Cotto will have the power at 154 to get Foreman off of his game. If Foreman is allowed to keep a decent rhythm, I don’t think he’ll have much trouble outboxing Cotto for most of the rounds. I’m also sliiightly rooting for Cotto to lose, not because I don’t like him, but because I hate (hate HATE) the thought of a Pacquiao Cotto rematch. I don’t even want it to enter anybody’s mind.
Also, for the record, I’m actually more excited about Vanes v. Greene. I’ve been a closet Greene fan for years, and have been disappointed with the recent lack of career momentum. I agree that Vanes is more polished, but I disagree that he accorded himself “pretty well” against Kassim Ouma. I mean, yes, I had him winning the fight, but it definitely wasn’t a given, and it’s Kassim Ouma we’re talking about. Ouma has been a minor stepping stone for about the last 3 years. I can’t wait to see who shows up tonight and takes control.
I disagree that he accorded himself "pretty well" against Kassim Ouma. I mean, yes, I had him winning the fight, but it definitely wasn’t a given, and it’s Kassim Ouma we’re talking about. Ouma has been a minor stepping stone for about the last 3 years.
It’s nothing to do with how good Ouma is, it’s that Martirosyan got gut-checked and made it out with the win. The cards were shitty, but he won the fight, IMO. Prospects getting checked like that can be a very important step. Fernando Guerrero got a good run from Ossie Duran and has wrecked his last two opponents. These guys learn a lot more from a fight like Martirosyan’s with Ouma or Guerrero’s with Duran than they do blasting through scrubs. The veteran who isn’t bowled over is very important for lots of young fighters.
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I get your point...
… that every prospect needs a gut-check moment, and the Ouma fight was that moment. That said, Vanes didn’t look very good against Ouma, and he’ll need to be more consistent tonight.
Ouma came to win that night and really fought his heart out. It was Ouma’s best showing in years, I thought. I’m curious to see if Martirosyan improved after that fight. From what I’ve seen of Greene he doesn’t have much defense, so this fight might seem like a walk in the park for Vanes after facing the pesky, crafty Ouma.
I'm frightened.
I’m not sure if I’m going to be able to sleep tonight. Cotto has taken some beatings in the past…but nothing compared to what he’s about to experience. Seriously, I don’t want to see him like Meldrick Taylor. Cotto’s best chance is to abandon his pride and go down early…but I’m frightened that he’ll keep getting up in a misguided Rocky attempt. I hope that Yuri shows some mercy and Cotto shows some discretion, in that case it will be the Krusher KO 1 (obviously). However, I think it’s more likely that Cotto tries to do what no other man has done and stand up to the power of the Lion of Zion…I think he can do it for about 7 rounds, but by round 8, he’ll basically be in a coma. Like any fight, this ends when the Talmudic Terror says so…
Rosh Hashanah Ravager TKO 8
Wouldn't that be...
… the Chanukkah Chaymaker?
by Verklemptomaniac on Jun 5, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotto at this new weight class might not be the best of decisions. We could see him tire out in later rounds. I’m also skeptical that any coaching change will make an immediate difference at this stage of his career, but the decision to hire Santiago made no sense then and even less in retrospect. Nevertheless, there are advertisements all over the NYC Subway hyping this fight up, so I’m quite excited. Foreman’s a strong guy with no punching power but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him pull out a decision here.

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