Mosley to face Mora in September
Shane Mosley has signed his next fight, which will be against former titlist Sergio Mora at 154 pounds. The fight will be on September 18, at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, and will be aired on pay per view. Also to be featured on the undercard are Victor Ortiz, likely against Vivian Harris, and Saul Alvarez.
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He's fighting the wrong Sergio, IMO
Stylistically, I think Mora gives Mosley problems, and Mosley has looked flat at 154 the last several years. This would be a good HBO Championship Boxing, but it seems like a waste of a PPV to me, unless they can pair it up with another very good fight.
Ortiz-Harris sounds like a massive mismatch to me. Harris’s beard is gone, and he’ll probably get flattened within a few rounds. And I doubt they’ll have Alvarez face anyone too good – there’s too much interest to protect to put him in a fight he might actually lose. I wouldn’t be shocked if this does worse than Hopkins-Jones II.
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Really? PPV?
Mosley, Ortiz and Alvarez make a great HBO fight but no f’ing way I’m paying 40-50 bucks.
Mora has a great chance of beating Mosley here. He is a very fast handed fighter.
Pray for Nick Charles
This probably won't be worht the 50 they want for it.
I think I’m going to skip.
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Pray for Nick Charles
Atlas
Did you’all read or hear where Atlas said, he believes the Mayweather fight was the first one Mosley has fought without steriods in a long time. Wow! Say what you mean.
Interesting
Well Mosley did look amazing against Margarito(not tested) and then flat against Mayweather(tested).
Totally different opponents with different styles but even so,quite a noticeable drop in speed and explosiveness from Shane.
I’m not accusing but with an admitted former drugs cheat some people are gonna speculate.
I think the world confuses steroids with PED's
Steroids generally means anabolic steroids, useful for putting on muscle mass. This will be uncommon in boxing at low weight classes I would think (Possibly useful for coming up in weight). More common would be like what shane mosley did which is use things to enhance stamina. This isn’t really directed at you, but I wish the media would use the right word in the right situation.
yep
as steriods are a Performance Enhancing Drug, all PEDs are not steriods. But it is far easier just to say steriods b/c as you say, the media and public confuse the two or just feel like people know what you mean. But fair point.
and to question Mosely is fair b/c it is like cheating in any way, like on your wife, you get caught once, she’s gonna be suspicious every business trip you take. Or if you get caught lying. Every time you talk, people are going to question whether it is the truth or not.
He also looked flat against Mayorga and Vargas
How does one explain that?
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Well, it isn't totally nonsense
It may be kind of brash, but he makes some sense. When Mosley got caught using whatever it was he was using against Oscar, it didn’t come out until the Balco list was revealed. The stuff that Mosley used was for trying to almost have unlimited energy. Pretty much, being able to throw 200 power punches a round without getting winded. It wasn’t the typical mass and strenght building steroid. It was an endurance steroid, something like what the cyclist are being accused of taking.
And I remember seeing Mosley vs Dela Hoya 1 and 2, and Mosley just had a non stop motor for both fights. It makes sense now, because he was on that stuff that puts oxygen in your blood to give you more stamina.
Now we know for a fact that Mosley was clean against Mayweather, and what happens? He gasses out around the 7th round and goes into survival mode.
I agree with Mayweather, we really dont know how many fights that Shane Mosley has won because we dont know how many fights that he was using his PEDs.
If we’re going to look at Antonio Margarito and assume that he loaded his gloves against Cotto, then the same should be done for Mosley.
I'm not sure
Mosley is an old man now, it’s only natural that he would gas more quickly in his later years. And it had been over a year since he fought Margarito, in that amount of time a boxer’s stamina, or skills, can seriously diminish, explaining the difference between that fight, and the one with Mayweather.
In addittion to this, he was much less likely to tire against Margarito, considering how little he got hit in that fight. When we compare this to the excellent abilities of Mayweather, and the powerful psychological factors in fighting someone with such a good defense, it is certainly inevitable that he would look a great deal more tired.
I’m not saying that Mosley absolutely didn’t use PEDs in fights other than the ones he has confessed to, but I don’t feel that a comparison between the Mayweather fight, and others in his career, can really be applied, due to a likely drop off in fitness at such an age.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 2, 2010 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we really dont know why he looked so bad, maybe it was age or maybe it wasn’t. But we do know that this was the first time that Mosley has took part in random OST and this was the first time that we have seen him really gas out the way he did. Was it a coincidence that age happened to catch up with him when he all of sudden was being randomly tested for PED’s? I dont know. No one knows. My point is, he shouldn’t be able to get the benefit of the doubt after he was already caught cheating.
"Now that we know for a fact that Mosley was clean against Mayweather"
We don’t know that for a fact. It remains entirely possible that one or both of them used some type of performance enhancer that testers have not discovered and therefore cannot be detected.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
Dont believe it
I dont believe for one second that with all of the talk,focus and attention being put on the drug testing that one of the fighters would be stupid enough to use an illegal substance knowing the world was watching closely. Two good reasons why they wouldn’t; Shane Mosley has been caught once before. He really was embarrassed by being accused as a cheater. You can see that it really bothered him. He wanted to prove to everyone that it wasn’t steroids that made him and that he was a naturally great fighter. Mosley knows that if he would’ve got caught cheating again he probaly would’ve been ran out the sport and pretty much ruined everything that he has worked so hard for.
So no way Mosley came into that fight dirty.
Mayweather, I dont think that the person who started the drug testing would do something silly enough as using PED’s himself. That would make him look real stupid if he were caught. Secondly, Mayweather was 40-0 at the time, no way he does anything to jeopardize or tarnish his record. Hes made it this far in his career with great success, theres no way he risk his legacy using PED’s this late in his career. That would be foolish.
Current USADA
Testing can be gotten around. Just saying.
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by Drunken cutman on Jul 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Rafael Palmeiro, under oath, told Congress that he had never taken steroids
He even pointed his finger.
He tested positive only a few months later.
The arguments you’ve made for Mosley and Mayweather could have been made by many of the same baseball stars who have been exposed in recent years.
I agree that it’s more likely than not both guys were clean. But too say you know that “for a fact” is silly to me.
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Give me a break
Endurance bike racers do it all the time, and they have even more stringent testing than USADA standards. 20 or so each year get caught, which means there are a lot more getting through that aren’t getting caught. If they were all getting caught, they’d just stop.
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And down the slippery slope we go
Of course it’s absolutely conceivable that Mosely used whatever enhancers he chose to his whole career. Same for Margarito and his in-handserts. So we might as well just attach a Scarlett ‘C’ on them both …. and an asterisk on there entire record. After all, who knows…. so why not err on the side of caution.
In fact, it’s a bit naive to believe that only the ones who got caught were actually cheating. I mean, come on, what are the odds of so few men cheating in a game so poorly regulated. We all know the commission are lame; their inspectors worse. Right?
So until proven otherwise, I might have to assume that rampant cheating was the norm. It is after all not entirely unreasonable.
But I won’t. It’s a depressing way to think and live however; cynical and unproductive.
You missed my point
My point was basically saying that……….Okay, I know you’ve been hearing it because I sure have.That Antonio Margarito may have loaded his gloves against Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron and probaly every other fighter that he has faced. But do we know that for a fact? No we dont. But a large portion of people or assuming that he did. Do they have a good reason to believe that? Yes they do. Cotto and Cintron both believe he did, they have no prove, but they assume he did. My point is, its alright to assume that Margarito loaded his gloves against his opponents throughout his career, but its not alright to assume that Mosley didn’t juice his whole career. Why is that?
I agree. Shane probably did use them as long as he could.
And maybe Margarito did as well.
Those who claim with absolute conviction that he had cheated often cite the poorly regulated and trained commissioners as the first piece of ‘evidence’ that the man in question is probably guilty retrospectively as charged. Maybe they are right.
But Shane doesn’t deserve any more leniency than the next high or low profile cheat. Otherwise justice is not blind.
Where do you read that HBO will be putting this on PPV? I thought it was going to be a Golden Boy PPV.
I misread it
Sometimes my readers are also my editors.
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PPV? This is some crap.
I can’t think of a worse fighter to put on the main event of a PPV than Mora.
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Mzonke Fana, perhaps?
Or maybe Morade Hakkar?
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Who they?
Donaire opponents total scrubs ?
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by Drunken cutman on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Senseless
Shane Mosley, a guy who got beat so bad in his last fight,who contemplated retirement ,saying that he might be done, changes his mind to fight again, and they’re going to make it a PPV? Thats crazy. Shane Mosley should have to earn his way back to a PPV fight. If not a ESPN fight than no more than a HBO fight. PPV is redicolous. Shane Mosley couldn’t sell PPV’s before he lost to Floyd when he was winning every fight. He definetly wont sell now.
Especially against “Sergio Mora”, thats a real household name for ya.
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by battle axe of doom on Jul 2, 2010 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
Soft option after a heavy defeat
Am I the only one who doesn’t see this as a terrible thing to do? He just fought Floyd Mayweather, he’s allowed a relatively easy fight now! It’s not even like this fight is such a mismatch, due to the weight and a few stylistic issues.
It’s daft that this fight is a PPV, but that doesn’t impact on this not being an awful fight.
Had Shane signed to fight Martinez, while coming off such a big loss, then that would have shown some serious balls. This doesn’t, but I wouldn’t say that it shows a serious lack of them either.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
What's your point?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his point is that Mora is not so easy to beat
He may not be someone expected to win….but he is harder to beat than you might prefer to think. Or at least that I prefer to think.
He’s one of those stylistically offbeat fighters who are hard to look good against.
Hence the word relatively...
Sure, Mora’s no scrub, but next to Mayweather he is an easy fight.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 3, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Remainder of year looks lame so far
Of course, that all changes if Mayweather-Pacquiao happens; then we’d get the fight of the decade. But unless it does, very little that is even close to being finalized looks great. I know, I know, everyone loves the 7/31 undercard. So do I, but it’s an undercard. The main event is lame. The right opponent for a JMM card would’ve been Bradley since Marquez is planning to move up anyway (once again Bradley is left out of a big fight that would’ve been better with him in it).
Here’s what looks strong to me so far: we might get Mayweather-Paq, we might get Williams-Martinez II, we might get JMM-Khan at year’s end, we almost certainly will get Dirrell-Ward, we likely will get JM Lopez-R Marquez late in the year, we might get Margarito-Cotto II. The best fight I see that seems to have actually been made is Gamboa-Rojas (with a strong Rios-Peterson undercard – I love this card!).
I realize that if all this comes to pass it will end up being a great year, but that’s just it – most of these bouts are “might happens”. And only the Gamboa-Rojas card happens before the Autumn. At best, it’s going to be a long summer. Here’s to a great fall!
Actually, I missed Frank Warren's 9/18 card!
That’s a helluva card! I wish it was easier to watch in the states. What a great alternative to Golden Boy’s retched PPV. And Juanma Lopez-R Marquez could be the same night. Hmmmmmmmm…
by geraldmcgrew on Jul 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Klitschko-Povetkin also the same day
Sounds like Showtime might have a double header. Klitschko-Povetkin on tape delay, and Lopez-Marquez live.
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