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From Kevin Iole at Yahoo! Sports:

"HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg released a four-paragraph, five-sentence statement Monday which cast doubt upon the veracity of Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Mayweather’s best friend, Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe; Golden Boy Promotions president Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer and which forever eliminated any doubt about Mayweather’s intention: He’s ducking Manny Pacquiao.

"There can be no other rational explanation."

The article is fairly scathing and presents an extremely valid and legitimate case that Floyd Mayweather is flat-out ducking Manny Pacquiao. Kevin Iole has been fair over the last year or so about both fights, and this is the first time he's written something that really goes to bat for one man over the other. Think of it what you will, but I thought it was a very interesting read, and frankly, pretty persuasive.

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That's a pretty damning indictment.

Iole, IMO, has always been a man who speaks of what he knows to be fact. Not as often as some scribes but always well informed.

Obviously, I happen to agree. Completely.

by pakinpower on Jul 28, 2010 2:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly. He could have easily said, “Listen, Roger’s got some problems right now in his life, and I don’t want to sign for the biggest fight of my career when my uncle and trainer might not be able to be in my corner.” Anyone who couldn’t have accepted that doesn’t much matter. (Not that I think Floyd needs Roger, but what I think doesn’t matter. If Floyd wouldn’t be comfortable without him, that matters.)

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by Scott Christ on Jul 28, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

New #1 Pound for Pound

Does this mean Kevin will have a new #1 P4P?

I think he resents giving Floyd that status.

by DXB Jerome on Jul 28, 2010 3:42 AM EDT reply actions  

mayweather is ducking a fighter?!?!?!? SHOCKED

Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD

by battle axe of doom on Jul 28, 2010 5:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Mayweather is flat out ducking Pacquiao . .

Now what, does the sports media intend to shame him into signing a contract to prove them wrong?

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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 28, 2010 6:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Should no one say anything about the way he and his team are apparently just lying, and rather shamefully so?

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by Scott Christ on Jul 28, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm ranting.

Excuse the long response. Here’s the brief response. They have every right to call out Mayweather Jr. I like him as a fighter but I personally think he’s on some b.s.

The idea that he’s been ducking opponents is not new, we’ve heard it before. I am just as SHOCKED as battle axe of doom. I’m being sarcastic, I didn’t have my coffee yet. Mayweather’s Team & Golden Boy are only making reactionary statements to save face and/ or present themselves as being misinterpreted. And I’m sure Maywweather Jr. will paint himself the victim.

Journalist, Kevin Iole sittng from his desk calling him chicken? Iole should leave the sensationalized name-calling to the NY Post. Mayweather Jr. has what ever twisted reason to not fight Pacquiao and earn money many people will not see in a lifetime. Chicken? Stepping into the ring requires guts. He’s done it well over 100 times in his career. Chicken?

Mayweather’s Legacy
And I don’t agree with Iole’s argument that Mayweather’s legacy his tarnished because this fight did not happen. You can place an asterisk on his career, and history can continue to analyze it when ever Mayweather is mentioned but it doesn’t subtract from the past.

“Let him play in his fantasy world. Boxing doesn’t need him.”
Floyd “Money” Mayweather Jr. has been smelling his own crap for quite a while. Iole sounds like he’s just as frustrated and pissed as many boxing fans are. “Boxing doesn’t need him.” The sports, the fans wants this fight. Fans are not waisting their hard earned money when they pay to see a fight like Mayweather vs. Mosley. Many fans don’t put their money into or pay attention to the play-by-play that occurs behind the scenes during (non-)negotiations; the hard-core fans on the boxing blogs and websites put time into reading about it.

“It’s unfortunate that it won’t happen in 2010 . . . Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. – Ross Greenburg”

That sums it up for me. It is unfortunate. It didn’t happen in 2008, 2009, and 2010 . . . if it happens in 2011 then cool. If it doesn’t I’m not holding my breath because Mayweather Jr will probably talk about building his brand or how he’s bigger than boxing.

Solution: If Iole feels Boxing doesn’t need Mayweather Jr. then stop writing about him and feeding his ego. I know, it’s Kevin’s job. Ross Greenburg, please reconsider the heavyweight division, get creative and think about putting dollars towards development instead of putting so much energy into 1 fight that may or may not happen.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 28, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Counter-point.

Iole went too far at times, but the facts of the matter do add up to cowardice until Floyd cares to illustrate the matter better. Sadly, until this fight happens, the only fight we have is a PR fight, and guess what? Lying about talking is a surefire and utterly childish way to lose one.

And Floyd’s much-vaunted legacy might come down to this PR battle too, or to be more exact, to this question:How honestly does Floyd come by his unblemished record? Do we remember the fights he took, or is Pacquiao the final weight on the scale that makes us think more of the many, many fights he didn’t?

Iole doesn’t argue that boxing doesn’t need Mayweather, as I read it: he’s saying that boxing doesn’t need to drown in his bull——.

And the more effort that is expended on this fight, the more Greenburg and boxing needs it, unfortunately, because the fight’s not-happening is the biggest story in boxing. I’d love to see Pacquiao-Bradley at 140 myself, but I know the unwashed masses aren’t exactly going to be lining up for it. The heavyweight division consists of two champions American ratings have shown nothing but boredom with, and one that won’t fight. And development within the sport might be hindered (at least as far as HBO’s finances are concerned) until this matter is settled.

I’ve become semi-realistic and am now rooting for Mayweather to officially state that he will never fight Manny Pacquiao, and is retiring after a rematch with Ricky Hatton, or whatever, since rooting for the best fight in everyone’s interests is apparently unrealistic. It’s floating in limbo that’s really hurting us right now.

by El Destruyo on Jul 28, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let him play in his fantasy world. Boxing doesn’t need him. And, truth be told, he’s wrong about his value.

That’s the context Iole placed his statement. Yes, I think Mayweather’s grand posturing is delusional but Iole sounds like he’s personally hurt with his statements. waldo47 comments has a good background on Iole views on Mayweather Jr. He’s just another fan pissed and frustrated with the process.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 28, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Iole also lays out HOW he’s wrong about his value, which is that his events in Vegas don’t do Manny Pacquiao gates, and thus don’t help the local economy as much as Pacquiao’s fights do, which is a big deal for the casinos and the city now since Vegas is, if not on life support or anything that drastic, fairly ill.

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by Scott Christ on Jul 28, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I caught that. I just thought it was really significant how he presented that statement in a short paragraph.

When boxers like Mayweather Jr. begin to discuss his PPV numbers or live gate numbers it reminds me a recording artist talking about how many records they sold and how well their concerts are selling. It sounds silly, some fans may care but I’m sure accountants and promoters are more interested in that discussion. I found it interesting that Iole decided to go there.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 29, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It matters because it plays a large role in dictating who fights who and where they fight. It’s a big reason that Pacquiao is fighting Margarito (Mexican audience) and why they’re trying so hard to get it into Vegas (most money).

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by Scott Christ on Jul 29, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that the numbers and figures matter. I can see Top Rank, Golden Boy or Greenburg having a discussion about PPV figures and the live gate.

When the boxer is sitting there discussing and a journalist is correcting him concerning the figures I begin to wonder what outside of boxing will be discussed next. Who has the best costumes? Who gives the best most engaging interviews? I understand that some fans cite Mayweather or Pacquiao’s PPV numbers as one of the reasons he’s one of the best boxers. My response, huh?

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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 29, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can place an asterisk on his career, and history can continue to analyze it when ever Mayweather is mentioned but it doesn’t subtract from the past

It’s just hard to say how history will look at it. As far as I can think of, there’s never been a bigger fight that needed to happen that hasn’t happen, or at least not since desegregation. Considering how much bigger this would be than anything else Floyd has ever done, the fight not happening could end up being what comes to define him. When they write his obituary, there will probably be a paragraph about how this didn’t happen.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 28, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ross Greenburg, please reconsider the heavyweight division

Noooo. Getting rid of those slugs is one of the things Ross has done right. They pay too much money for bad fights that just leave people going, “These guys are crap, Tyson would kill ’em all!”

get creative and think about putting dollars towards development instead of putting so much energy into 1 fight that may or may not happen.

That would be nice, yes. But they’re also trying to do that with Bradley, Alexander, Khan and Maidana right now. They’ve also been full-scale behind Andre Berto, putting TOO MUCH money into his development, and creating what we have now with Berto and Lou DiBella, where they want more money than they’re worth because they got too much for bad fights so that HBO could secure him long-term. They’re also clearly full-scale behind Danny Jacobs (shockingly, a Golden Boy fighter!) and I think they’re about to ramp it up with Canelo Alvarez too. You’re not seeing the forest for the trees here, I believe. HBO is doing a lot of good things, but the Floyd-Manny stuff has dominated the coverage, in part because Floyd and Manny are worth so much more money to HBO than these other guys. Greenburg would be insane to NOT devote a lot of time and energy into that fight.

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by Scott Christ on Jul 28, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayweather may not sell as many tickets

But the average price is higher. Mayweather has the #1, #10, #12 and #23 highest live gates of all time in Nevada. The Mayweather-Pacquiao gate was $3M higher than the Pacquiao-Cotto gate. And even Mayweather-Marquez, which they papered the hell out of, still did a nearly $7M live gate. So I sort of call BS on that one.

http://boxing.nv.gov/New_Gates.htm

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by Brickhaus on Jul 28, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayweather-Mosley live gate

Not Mayweather-Pacquiao, obviously.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Iole was trying to dispute that necessarily.

His point was more that Manny is the bigger draw for the economy in Vegas, which like almost all municipalities, is not only struggling mightily and thus competing for revenue, but competing for events whether they be cultural, sport, etc. that will bring revenue to the the broadest spectrum of their local economy. That is most often how value is attributed to a specific event whether it be a convention….or in this case, a fight.

Clearly Iole chose his facts….but his conclusion was emphatic.

by pakinpower on Jul 29, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

just some nitpicking here but lets be honest here DLH was the main reason for that #1 live gate/ppv ever, not mayweather. yeah mayweather’s been a star post-oscar, but come on let’s be real here.

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by battle axe of doom on Jul 29, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well...

that was pretty detailed and damning. I feel worst for his fans who, if those on here are any guide at all, are incredibly devout. Its a real shame that its actually all on him, especially when you think that he would have been the favorite and the naturally bigger guy, and in the view of the majority the better ‘pure’ boxer. There’s not a lot he can say after that article, but it’ll be interesting to hear what he comes with next.

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by BrianBrock on Jul 28, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

It isn’t terribly different from any other cult of personality. One true believer finally gets fed up and leaves, and those who remain denounce him as an apostate. Then someone else gets fed up and leaves, and those who remain also denounce him as an apostate. The numbers get smaller and smaller, but those remain in that number become more and more radical in their levels of devotion.

(Yes I am aware that Pacquiao also has a cult of personality in certain quarters.)

by taco pal on Jul 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surprised at Iole..

..I expect better from a guy like him. The article reads like a bad fan post or some shit you’d read at the various boxing forums on the net. The only thing left was for him to post the Floyd Mayweather KFC picture. He should be above that as a professional journalist. I understand he may be frustrated because it’s his job to report what’s going on and it’s kind of hard to do that when everybody is lying to you or telling half-truths. But you have to keep your composure and not turn into a first grader.

Here’s the thing….I don’t know who to believe. You basically have two sides calling each other liars. Just because Ross Greenburg came out in support of Arum doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth. It just adds to the giant pot of he said – she said. It didn’t get us anywhere nor did it shed light on what really happened.

The other thing I loathe is this constant sense of entitlement that fans have, and apparently Iole has too. Athletes don’t owe you anything. They don’t have to make comments. They don’t have to make fights. I want them to make fights, but I understand that they have just as much right to not make them. He doesn’t owe the sport anything. He already gave us and the sport plenty of fights and he got compensated for it nicely.

Imagine Floyd making the fight and then holding a press conference to announce that every fan has to buy it because they owe him for the years he’s put into boxing. How ridiculous does that sound? About as ridiculous as Iole saying Mayweather “owes” us shit.

by erod on Jul 28, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

You succinctly said what I attempting to express better.

I particularly have problems with journalist calling athletes out their names. I always wonder what would they when they’re directly in their face. Would they say, you’re a chicken, you’re yellow, you’re a punk because Ross Greenburg refuted statements coming from your camp?

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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just because Ross Greenburg came out in support of Arum doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth.

Greenburg deviating from HBO’s standard “no comment” says something pretty significant about what’s going on here. Greenburg is not agreeing with Arum so much as he’s refuting the Mayweather camp’s transparent claims, which have become even worse now that Ross Greenburg has called them out as liars.

The other thing I loathe is this constant sense of entitlement that fans have

I hear you. I don’t think Mayweather “owes” me anything, per se. But his team is blatantly trying to lie and sell people a lie. Nobody likes being lied to. That’s the far bigger issue here. Mayweather’s team is full of crap.

Imagine Floyd making the fight and then holding a press conference to announce that every fan has to buy it because they owe him for the years he’s put into boxing. How ridiculous does that sound?

Not nearly as ridiculous as Mayweather’s camp sounds right now.

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by Scott Christ on Jul 28, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think their is some doubt in Mayweather's camp about a win

Personally I think Mayweather is a little obsessed over his 0 loss record. But you have to wonder why he even unretired if he wasn’t going to fight Pacquiao. I’m sure he saw that Pacquiao was on top of the world and wanted to be back and take the number 1 spot.

by GoldenSt8OfMind on Jul 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

ut you have to wonder why he even unretired if he wasn’t going to fight Pacquiao

He badly needed the money with the IRS on his back. And he’s made good money fighting Marquez and Mosley. “Good money” is a vast understatement, even. Of course coming back to make money and passing up a fight that guarantees a metric shit ton of it is a bit weird.

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by Scott Christ on Jul 29, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then

that bitch said—

Blah blah blah.

Don Judson is taking time off of worrying about Manny and Floyd.
Don Judson is bigger than sports and is mighty sick of Manny and Floyd—

Signed,

Don Judson

by Don From Prov on Jul 28, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Surprising

I mean this is really surprising coming from Kevin Iole. To give some people background, Kevin not only likes Mayweather but also credits him and his team for coming up with the Money persona. Iole called Mayweather as “Obviously the most talented fighter” from the 1996 Olympics which included W. Klit and Fernando Vargas. He also compared the fact that Mayweather got a bronze comparable to RJJ getting robbed. Iole is one of the only people who has Floyd ranked #1 P4P alone, over Pacquiao. After the Mosley fight, Iole heaped loads of praise onto Floyd. Its fairly safe to say that Iole is the anti-Dougie Fisher. He likes Mayweather like Chris Matthews loves Obama, or Ben Franklin Gates loves the Declaration of Independence (Bonus points available for that reference).

Thats the stage, the outlook of Iole. Then this article comes out and says what any rational Floyd fan is thinking, he’s ducking. The amount of vitriol in the article only shows how hurt Iole is by the actions of Mayweather. This article is an excellent summary of everything rational Mayweather fans are thinking. If you are a Mayweather fan and you weren’t thinking this, then you might want to take a look at the qualifier before the word Mayweather in the previous sentence.

by Waldo Rastel on Jul 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed

There should be no bonus points for a national treasure reference.

On the topic at hand, I know that boxing can go on without this fight happening, ever, which seems very likely. But is there another fight in the next 2,3 years that will garner 2/3 of the attention from the general public and bring in the casual fan as Floyd/Manny?

Off-topic. Am I the only one who is nervous about Margarito fighting Pac-man? (Yes it’s disgusting he’s getting the fight, but Arum likes the green) Years ago Freddie said he was too big, and he’s still much bigger than Manny. Besides the size, Margarito has a pretty good chin and he’s active all fight, more so than Clottey or even Cotto, as he generally comes on later in the fight.

Why wouldn’t Team Pac-man demand Margarito come back down to 147 instead of giving him an even bigger size advantage at 154?

Anyways, always good to drop by at BLH

by missmanners on Jul 28, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

waldo47 is exactly on point. this is not doug fischer who clearly dislikes Mayweather. this is Kevin Iole, who has been a Mayweather supporter over the years. kudos to him for finally pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. No matter how Mayweather’s people try to spin it, we recognize running scared for what it is.

by sunzlight on Jul 28, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

MAYWEATHER

With Floyd it is very hard to tell what is up his sleve. I will not second guess his motives but beating Pac-Man may be like climbing the world’s highest mountain. With Pac-Man, Floyd may have the fight of his life. I know he is a truly gifted boxer but he has never seen as many punches as Pacquaio will throw.

by Tex Hassler on Jul 28, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Jumping the Gun

I think that Iole has responded like a kid on the web rather than a responsible journalist that digs and digs until the truth is uncovered. “Chicken” is childish. I have no respect for anyone who calls a fighter, especially Mayweather, a chicken. Arrogant? Yes. Chicken? Not hardly. The truth has not been totally uncovered regardless of what Greenburg has said or the haters on this forum. I would suggest that readers get their info from different sources. I really like BLH, but I can’t get my head around the blatant bias of the editors. I think everybody has jumped the gun on this site. I read on ESPN the comments of Schaefer and Ellerbe following Greenburgs comments which are not here. Then I read an interesting article on BS that talks about the deceitfulness or Arum who knew from jump that Mayweather did not want to fight this year and I’m not convinced as most of you seem to be. What are they qualifying as “negotiations”? What were the terms? There is more to this but Iole and a lot of you are ready to write of Mayweather’s legacy. It’s been a while since I posted on this forum and stuff like this is a part of the reason. Iole’s article is just bad journalism IMO.

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by Craigman on Jul 29, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I can’t get my head around the blatant bias of the editors

Explain? This seems like an unqualified insult, to be honest.

Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)

by Chaos100 on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think everybody has jumped the gun on this site.

So, to summarize:

Everybody else on here is wrong, and you’re right, the lone voice of sanity in an otherwise friendless and irrational world, right?

Isn’t this the same way Floyd sees the world?

Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)

by Chaos100 on Jul 29, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is more to this but Iole and a lot of you are ready to write off Mayweather’s legacy.

There were talks, and they broke down. Floyd’s pet monkeys then felt fit to spout off without consultaion from the organ grinder, and made themselves look dishonest, deceitful and downright unreliable as narrators of the facts.

Whether or not Greenburg is enough for you, he certainly is enough for me. If he says there were talks, just like that paragon of virtue De La Hoya did recently before being coerced into backtracking, then I believe there were talks. To believe anyhting else smacks of naivete. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person, and therefore I’m pretty surprised that you are willing to believe the Floyd-Party party-line as readily as you do.

Is Greenburg, a man with no vested interest in anything other than the fight taking place, lying about having had negotiations with both parties? Is he lying about those talks taking place for weeks on end? And if so, why? These are the questions that rationality demands we ask, and yet you attack Kevin Iole for expressing an opinion that he qualifies within the article, while expecting that these questions and their ramifications should not be explored?

Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)

by Chaos100 on Jul 29, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

a lot of you are ready to write of Mayweather’s legacy.

Mayweather’s legacy has been discussed pretty well by two other posters in this thread. To save you having to sift through it, I’ll show you the salient points here:

El Destruyo

And Floyd’s much-vaunted legacy might come down to this PR battle too, or to be more exact, to this question: How honestly does Floyd come by his unblemished record? Do we remember the fights he took, or is Pacquiao the final weight on the scale that makes us think more of the many, many fights he didn’t?

Brickhaus

It’s just hard to say how history will look at it. As far as I can think of, there’s never been a bigger fight that needed to happen that hasn’t happen, or at least not since desegregation. Considering how much bigger this would be than anything else Floyd has ever done, the fight not happening could end up being what comes to define him. When they write his obituary, there will probably be a paragraph about how this didn’t happen.

Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)

by Chaos100 on Jul 29, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're proving his point

He wasn’t saying legacy wasn’t discussed, but that we’re writing it off. But I think it would be silly to think it won’t affect his legacy. It will affect his legacy much more than the way Sven Ottke never leaving Germany affected his, or how Lennox Lewis never rematching Vitali affected his, or how Joe Calzaghe not facing top fighters for seven years affected his.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I was proving his point.

At no point did anyone ‘write off’ Floyd’s legacy. But both posts I quoted represent realistic and rational views on the way Floyd’s legacy will be regarded.

Proving his point would have been something like:

Brickhaus:

And Floyd can go jam his head up his arse, cos we all know that Floyd has never faced anything other than C+ fighters at best, and posterity will reflect this.

(DISCLAIMER- This ‘quoted’ comment may or may not actually represent the views of any one of the BLH editors, or none at all. I should mention that I simply made it up to make my point, and no blame should attach to Brickhaus… :)

Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)

by Chaos100 on Aug 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not writing off his legacy

But I think it will be remembered, and will be a big part of his legacy, whether or not the fight happens. He’ll still be remembered as a 5 weight class titlist who was one of the best junior lightweights of all time. But I think a lot of people, especially non-fans, will remember him as much for what he hasn’t done as what he has.

I like to think this site is less biased than most of the other ones out there, but it IS an editorial site. I don’t try to be inflammatory like some prominent boxing writers, but I’m also not a reporter. I see a news story, then I put my spin on it. Scott does the same. We both have our guys we like and dislike, but we try not to let it come through too much. But if we’re reporting what’s out there, then you’ll see a lot more of this, because 90% of the media has completely and unequivocally taken Pacquiao’s side on this one (as opposed to this site, where we had a big article saying that people should blame both Mayweather and Pacquiao equally).

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by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Keep in mind, this is the site where, when we thought our Margarito coverage was too biased against him, we front paged a counterpoint that one of our readers put up.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 31, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Jul 30, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm yet to see a counter-shot.

;)

I don’t think I will either, to be honest. I try to be objective, especially with this particular debate, but irrationality really annoys me, especially when it’s presented as the voice of reason in an otherwise dark and horrible world.

Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)

by Chaos100 on Aug 2, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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