Mandatory Eight Count: Licensed to Ill
by Brickhaus on Jul 8, 2010 10:01 AM EDT
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Former world champion boxer Antonio Margarito will attempt to regain his fighter's license in the U.S. on Friday when he and attorneys appear before the NSAC. Margarito was stripped of his license indefinitely in California, so I'm not sure he's going about it the right way to get relicensed. He might need to go back to California first, even if he's not eyeing a fight there, because of the Ali Act.
Tyson will not return or coach | Notifight
Good for him. Talking to a newspaper in Kazakhstan probably won't squash persistent rumors of a comeback, but whatever.
HBO to stop screening heavyweight boxing due to lack of US interest | Telegraph
HBO delivered a body blow to boxing on Wednesday when it announced it would be withdrawing any plans to screen heavyweight title fights. Frankly, as long as no fight is made between David Haye and a Klitschko or Tomasz Adamek, there probably isn't a heavyweight fight worth paying big money for anyway. But for now, the Klitschkos aren't exciting enough and Haye isn't well known enough, so HBO will be spending its money elsewhere, with a likely focus on the 140 pound division.
Sturm may face Cintron next | Boxen.de
This would be Sturm's first fight not under the thumb of the Universum banner, and under his own new TV contract. It's actually a perfect fight for Sturm, if he can get the money to work. Stylistically, Cintron isn't big enough or aggressive enough to outbox Sturm, and while he had good power for a welterweight, who knows how well his power would carry to middleweight (and it wasn't even really there at junior middleweight). But better than all of that, it would be the highest profile fight he's taken since losing to Oscar De La Hoya.
Rendall Munroe ready for Toshiaki Nishioka title clash | Boxing News
Boxing binman Rendall Munroe will likely need to travel to Japan for his title shot against Nishioka, although Munroe says he's ready. Munroe has received a lot of support at home in Leicester (with much of his fan base wearing reflective road work vests), so it will be interesting to see how he's affected by fighting on the road.
Arroyo, Imelda, Pacquiao attend House orientation | GMANews
Former President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, former First Lady Imelda Marcos and world boxing champion Manny Pacquiao were among the new legislators who attended an orientation at the House of Representatives Thursday. Depending on who else you believe, either Pacquiao is seriously considering retirement or wants two more fights; is in talks with Mayweather, Cotto or nobody; agreed or hasn't agreed to drug testing; or is or isn't close to another fight. In other words, more likely than not, any other reports you read on Pacquiao are probably bologna.
Retirement fund for boxers and fighters urged | Las Vegas Review Journal
The bill proposed by Munford would set up retirement funds for boxers and MMA fighters to cover medical expenses, although the details need to be fleshed out. Hat tip to Kid Blast.
Bika-Mendy winner to face Bute | ESPN
Sakio Bika and Jean Paul Mendy will be fighting on the untelevised undercard of Marquez-Diaz II, although I'd expect it to be aired for free over the internet at Ring Magazine and Yahoo. Both super middleweights have had trouble getting decent fights, but the winner will be facing IBF titlist Lucian Bute next. It's a bit disappointing for Bute to name his next fight this far out, but this should round out his schedule until after the first round of the Super Six ends. This also means that the chances of a Bute-Pavlik fight in the near future are at zero.
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Licensed to ill huh – getting old man, we’re all getting old…that album came out in ’86. 24 years ago.
Oh and to hell with Margarito. I would just like to re-urge that. Attempted murder does not square with a 2 year suspension.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I agree with this stance
It makes me sad that such a heinous crime can go so lightly punished.
Out of interest, could Mosley possibly have pressed charges?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 8, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The LA police investigated and decided not to press charges
That said, if Mosley made a stink about it, that might have been different.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I asked a few of my Law School friends
And I think, had this occured in Britain, that the case could have been made.
If I was in Mosley’s position, I would have gone huge on the issue. More on principle, than anything else.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 8, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess it's better than vs. Manny.
But I agree with icollins on punishment—doesn’t seem like much.
I hope Margo is much more shot than Miguel so that there is never a Manny/Margo bout.
I'm actually not sure how uninteresting
Pacquiao – Cotto II would be, as I don’t believe that it would be in any way a repeat of the first fight. Consider how good a job Cotto did of outboxing Manny early on, using his jab and staying at range. Now consider that he had a fairly poor camp for that fight, basically training himself, and frankly terrible corner advice.
Under the tutelage of Steward, it is possible that he could be even more effective at keeping Pacquiao off of him with the jab and straight right. This is very likely, in fact. How would Pacquiao respond? By bringing all the power of his masterful offense.
To me, that sounds like a rather compelling match up, at 147. Of course, it’s not nearly as good as Mayweather – Pacquiao, but what is?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 8, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder why Williams
does not seem to be clamoring for Cintron rematch,
It would certianly be a tough match
But I think he would be silly not to take it, as it’s a good money fight on HBO, which will make it far more likely that he gets to sqaure off against Martinez again. Say he loses to Cintron; he can then fight the loser of the inevtiable Cintron – Martinez matchup.
Those three fighters could do wonderful things, for both their legacies and bank balances, if they were are to face off against one another in such a way.
We could even bring KP back into the mix a little down the line, after he has had a few bounce backs. HBO should really push for this, in my opinion.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 8, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Probabaly because he was getting his ass beat
I gave Cintron the first three rounds, personally. Also, I’m not sure the networks have interest.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I'm surprised that they don't
The first three rounds were very good fun to watch.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also a shame that HBO
Aren’t seeing the opportunity with Haye. If they hyped him in a similar, but obviously not too similar, way as Sky have, and put him up against Adamek or Arreola, then they could build up to a fight with Wladimir.
Of course, there are a dozen issues in the way of this happening, one being Haye’s ego, and another being his apparent reluctance to get in the ring with either Borther.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
It seemed, not too long ago, that they were going to do this. They included him in their marketing promo of up-and-coming fighters, even though he had never fought on their network before. Maybe they tried and Haye wasn’t willing? I don’t know.
Well
He can make bucket loads in Britain, so maybe he didn’t wish to take the risk, or compromise his promotional independence in any way. However, I think that this would be a very foolish move on his part.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 8, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
HBO doesn't see the opportunity with Williams/Cintron
with Haye
or with any number of fights/fighters.
For a group of corporate money-makers they’ve been blind to boxing for a LONG time, IMO.
Don’t have to love the sport, just have the smarts to pick the best fights and the kind of fights that build on one another. They resemble a politician in this way—-
Someone gets their ear, and that someone often knows shitall about what he’s saying.
At one time, they knew how to build interest in fighters and make them attractions. And had the instincts/knowledge who to focus on. Those days appear to be a thing of the past.
Absolutely
They should have backed Haye, not Arreola. And, rather than hyping up Berto, they should have put more effort into a 140 four man tournament.
These two changes would have made the boxing landscape far more interesting.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 8, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Heck
Just put more money into good, competitive fights with the potential to be exciting, and the names will make themselves. They spend too much money trying to build a name instead of letting the names come naturally.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yes, pick the matches.
Tying to one fighter and following him can work if you have smart folks.
They don’t seem to.
Of course there are a lot of reasons that the scene has changed— folks here could probably threads on ten of them or more. One reality is that the U.S. used to have better boxing teams at the Olympics, the boxing was followed, and then the names that came out were followed on undercards, etc. as they built themselves up. Almost like having national hometown fighters. And following enough fighters meant some would pay out.
I like the idea of more cards. And more cards based on interesting match-ups.
One promising undercard fight.
I’m not in charge of anything, but I agree with you 100%.
by Don From Prov on Jul 8, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just there's no reason to pay big money
to watch Chad Dawson beat Tarver in a rematch nobody wanted to see, or to watch Andre Berto fight just about anyone he’s fought so far.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Thomas Hauser
has written quite a few articles on maxboxing/secondsout.com about how HBO waste money on such fights and fighters.
If they had real boxing fans working there and a bit of common sense they could get back on track and make the fights that the fans want.
I keep repeating myself but 2010 is looking average at best for matchups this year.
Saying that,
Dan Rafael quoted the HBO VP (Kerry Davis,i think?) as saying that they want to make the best fights but many of the fighters,managers and promoters are being too cautious and are scared to lose (what’’s new?).
I know one thing…All the BS politics is what i hate most about boxing.
P.S.
I agree with the probable reasons that Williams is not clamoring for Cintron.
“Most feared” turns to “somewhat tentative” real quick in boxing world.
Maybe not in this case, but I’d like to hear him say, “Let’s finish business.”
Someone would show the fight.
Glad to see Tyson isn’t getting in the ring….what he needs is a reality series….how about instead of Housewives of New Jersey (which my wife is addicted to) we have Boxers of New York City. Now THAT would be interesting.
I might tune in
I’m not sure if Tyson needs to be anymore of a freakshow though.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 9, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s going to have that pigeon show.
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The Licensing of Antonio Margarito
Both the American Association for the Improvement of Boxing and The Jerry Quarry Foundation strongly oppose the licensing of Antonio Margarito in Nevada. Simply stated, he is a convicted attempted murderer who did not help the sport with his illegal behavior. Therefore, he should banned for life everywhere.
by BETTER FOR BOXING on Jul 8, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
he is a convicted attempted murderer
No, he isn’t. I’m all for everyone saying “no” to Margarito being licensed, but let’s keep it within reality.
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by Scott Christ on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
If you want Margarito condemned to hell for his actions prior to fighting Mosely, fine. I have no problem with that. But calling him a ‘convicted attempted murderer’ is not only hyperbole, it is inaccurate.
I do have a problem with ‘conclusions’ that he must have been doing this all along when there is no evidence whatsoever. In fact, there are no witnesses anywhere testifying to that presumption. There are however commissioners and inspectors in the Cotto fight and numerous others in every other preceding fight who signed off on Margarito’s wraps.
In the case of Cotto, there are facts. Margarito was inspected….and there has never been a suggestion of doubt from Nady, Lazzaroto or Kizer that the inspection was done incorrectly. That is a minimum of two witnesses to none testifying to Margarito’s being clean. Two to none. Two who stand by their position; three including Kizer. None to refute it.
So hang him if you will but cut the crap about what you think he may have done. That is not what he is being tried for in front of the commission next week. Nor should it be.
by pakinpower on Jul 9, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I Agree
If he does get his License I would rather see Cotto vs Margarito II rather than MP vs Cotto Rematch. I know Alot of People Don’t want Margarito to get his License Cause he Cheated (Attempted). If he does Get his License and he Fights Cotto, he will Destroy Cotto.
I'm going to be frank
I find your attitude towards Margarito’s re-liscencing rather sickening.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 9, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I do look like that...
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 9, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it
This guy works for a boxing related non-profit designed to help clean up the sport that was originally founded by Rocky Marciano.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Whoops
Misread the thread. Thought this was linking to BETTER FOR BOXING
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Seeing as he has declined to answer that twice now
I think it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to assume that it is.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
HBO's middle finger to the HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION
That can’t be good at all.
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