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Marquez May Not Have Many Options

Lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez hits Juan Diaz in the fourth round of their bout at the Mandalay Bay Events Center July 31 2010 in Las Vegas Nevada. Marqez retained his championship with a unanimous-decision victory over Diaz. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images)

Last night in Las Vegas, Juan Manuel Marquez was fairly dominant in banging out a unanimous decision win over Juan Diaz on HBO pay-per-view, a rematch of the 2009 Fight of the Year that couldn't live up to the hype and anticipation, but nonetheless entertained well enough (in my opinion) and showed that at 36, the old Mexican warrior still has some gas left in the tank.

I don't want to overstate the victory, however. Let's be honest here. None of us were picking Juan Diaz to win this fight. Nobody was picking Juan Diaz anywhere that I saw. Diaz, at 26, was worn out and run over by Marquez in last year's great battle, and last night looked like the same listless, half-there fighter he was in his December rematch with Paul Malignaggi, which was also a wide decision loss. I still rank Diaz in the top ten in my lightweight rankings (that is, if he continues to fight), but that's more a reflection of a shoddy division, plus the fact that Diaz's losses have come to good competition. Two of them have come against the best fighter the division has to offer: Marquez.

It's not as if Juan Manuel Marquez surprised anyone last night. He looked mostly sharp, very anxious at times, and pretty much like Juan Manuel Marquez has looked the last couple of years, the farcical money fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. excluded. These days, Marquez is trigger-happy offensively at times. He is a flat-footed fighter whose defense has really eroded over the years, and whose speed has slipped some, too.

But what makes Marquez still incredibly relevant is that he's adapted to Father Time taking away some of his gifts. We've learned that Marquez is an incredibly fierce competitor, a fact cemented in his outstanding win over Marco Antonio Barrera in 2007. That victory still stands as the signature W on Marquez's record.

Marquez, though, is thinking big. At 36, fighting above his optimal weight, he is still chasing a third fight with Manny Pacquiao. He has been the greatest rival of the Filipino legend's career, drawing Pacquiao once in a blistering fight, and then losing an incredibly close split decision in 2008. Since that loss -- and Marquez still disputes both outcomes -- there has been nothing that Marquez has wanted more than another crack at Manny.

Manny went to lightweight to fight and thrash David Diaz. So Marquez went up to lightweight, fought legitimate champion Joel Casamayor, and became the first man to ever stop the Cuban star. Manny went up to 140 and 147, so Marquez tried his luck against Floyd Mayweather. Say what you will about the fight, but I truly believe Marquez did come to win. The size was just too much for him, and Mayweather, as I've said many times, would have always beaten Marquez. Marquez is too apt to play into Mayweather's game.

As Manny has gone up in weight and chased titles -- some admirable, some ignorable if you're not part of the Top Rank PR team -- Marquez has tried to stay step-for-step with him. Obviously, Pacquiao has had more success. He retired Oscar de la Hoya, may have retired Ricky Hatton, bashed Miguel Cotto and routed Joshua Clottey. Next, Manny will move up to try to win another bogus belt in the junior middleweight division, when he faces disgraced Antonio Margarito with a 150-pound catchweight in November.

Chances are, Marquez will not get to fight Manny Pacquiao again. If I may be Criswell for a moment, allow me to look into the future. First, Pacquiao will thwart Margarito. Then, after more failed negotiations with the camp of Mayweather, he will face Miguel Cotto in a rematch and win again. By that point in time, Pacquiao may well retire into a life of politics in his home country. And Marquez will just be older, too.

Before I move on, let me say this. I agree with Kevin Iole's post-fight article where he says that Marquez deserves a third fight with Pacquiao. I don't think it would be terribly competitive at this stage, to be honest, but I know Marquez would give his all. And I sure as hell think that Juan Manuel Marquez is more deserving of a fight with Manny Pacquiao than an unlicensed fighter that has drawn nothing but negative attention to boxing since January 2009.

But let's count Pacquiao out, because the odds are totally against Pacquiao-Marquez III happening. Where could Marquez go?

Amir Khan: This fight has been discussed a lot this year. There was an attempt to put it together for July 31, but Marquez took the rematch with Diaz instead, which was a wise comeback fight. Khan, meanwhile, totally dominated Paul Malignaggi this spring and wants a fight with Marquez. I figure Khan and his trainer, Freddie Roach, see an old, undersized fighter who won't have the speed to keep up with Amir, plus Marquez would have to move up to 140 to make the fight happen.

The pros center on the fact that it would be a good payday, and outside of something like the Mayweather fight, Marquez is too crafty, too gutsy and too great to be counted out. Khan's chin has not gotten better, and Marquez throws with intent to do damage on just about everything he unleashes anymore. Working in Khan's favor would be the fact that he'd have a significant height advantage, plus that Khan may well have the fastest hands in boxing today. He has done a great job taking advice from Freddie Roach and learning to stay out of the pocket, using his natural skills. In short, Roach has (as he usually does) accentuated the positives and done his best to eliminate the negatives.

Michael Katsidis: God knows Katsidis wants to fight Marquez, and feels that JMM blatantly has ducked him. It is, in my mind, the best fight that can be made at 135 pound. Katsidis has shown true improvement since his disastrously poor performance and gameplan against Juan Diaz in 2008, and looked absolutely savage taking apart Kevin Mitchell in May. My feeling is that Katsidis has earned this fight, Marquez shouldn't fight over 135 if we're simply talking about in-ring benefits and not worrying about possible paydays, and that Marquez-Katsidis is the best fight out there for JMM. It could be a magnificent fight, too. Katsidis loves to come straight forward, and Marquez is best when he gets to throw counters. Could he hurt Katsidis the same way he hurt Diaz last year? Sure, he could. But Katsidis is a much harder puncher than Diaz, too. A lot of people (myself included) feel that if Diaz were a bigger puncher, the 2009 bout and maybe even last night's could have gone much, much differently. Marquez-Katsidis would be a war. A dangerous fight for Marquez, but that's what champions should take.

Erik Morales: This is unlikely, but Morales has said he wants the fight, and Marquez has seemed open to it when it's been brought up. It would do big money with the Mexican audience, perhaps, but I think a lot of that would be sort of a "thank you" in PPV buy form to Morales and Marquez for their excellent careers. Morales is younger than Marquez, but completely shot as a fighter and it would not be competitive.

Ricky Hatton: Another one that seems unlikely right now. This has been discussed as a stadium fight in Manchester, but right now Ricky Hatton is showing no real desire to get back in the ring. He's focusing on Hatton Promotions and doing a good job getting his firm off the ground. I'm not sure there's a great deal of U.S. interest in Hatton anymore, either. It would be a very tough PPV sell here, and probably an expensive fight for HBO to air on World Championship Boxing.

There are plenty of others out there, at 135 and 140, but the truth is, the money options are few for Marquez. It would seem almost a given that Golden Boy would want to make Marquez-Khan. It would make money in the U.S. and in the U.K., which is a big plus for the promoters, and it's the fight that has been most seriously discussed.

Marquez may well deserve a third clash with Manny Pacquiao, but since he's almost surely not going to get it, it leaves him with limited possibilities as he continues his Hall of Fame-bound career. He can still fight, and unlike some, is still ready, willing and able to take the toughest challenge he can think to take.

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Outside of JMM getting Leonardo DiCaprio to plant the idea into Bob Arum’s head…you are right methinks Manny last two fights before he retires are MargaCheato then the Cotto rematch. He can ride into the sunset as the JuniorMiddleCatchWeight Champion Congressman of the world.

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by focalmatic on Aug 1, 2010 5:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice write up

I wish the third fight with Pac man could be made now, but you’re right it’s not going to happen anytime soon, if at all. Certainly JMM seems capable of putting together some nice fights, Katsidis would be an absolute war for sure. Katsidis might be the best fight, but Khan is going to be the biggest payday, unfortunately. I didn’t realize how shallow the talent at 130 and 135 is right now until I read this. Not many big names.

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by Tuff.Gong on Aug 1, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I would also love to see Marquez-Katsidis.

by taco pal on Aug 1, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see it, but there are a few roadblocks:

1. Soto has a habit of not taking tough fights.
2. Marquez is a Golden Boy fighter, Soto is a Top Rank fighter. Top Rank seems REALLY intent on staying in-house now.
3. Soto is said to be fighting Urbano Antillon this fall.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 1, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping JMM-Katsidis gets made.

Let the top 140 guys fight each other. Kahn-Maidana and Bradley-Alexander late this year or early next, then the winners face off.

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by EastCoastA on Aug 1, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

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by lcollins1 on Aug 1, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell yeah. JMM-Katsidis could be better than JMM’s first fight with Diaz.

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by BloodMeridian on Aug 1, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally Agree

with this and pretty much said the same thing in an earlier thread.
I realise JMM will be looking for the biggest paydays at this stage of his career but the scenario you list above are by far the best fights that can be made between 135-140.

by Matt Mosley on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about this scenario

Marquez fights at 135, thats his best weight. Pacquaio fights at 147 right now, and he’s doing pretty good there also. Many people right now have Manny Pacquaio as the #1 P4P, which is debatable, but not at all a foregone conclusion. I look at it like this, if Pacquaio is the P4P champ, on top of him always demanding catchweights for other fighters that are bigger than him, why not fight Marquez at a catchweight, something like 137. I mean, that is what being the P4P champ is about right? Moving up and down from weight beating everyone, not just moving up.

We all pretty much agree that Marquez vs Pacquaio at 147 gives Marquez no shot at winning, but at 135 he can win.

So now maybe Pacquaio can really prove himself as being the true #1 P4P champ by not only moving up, but now moving down and fighting Marquez in his comfort zone.
Manny can finally see how Dela Hoya felt having to drain himself and skip meals while the guy he was fighting was out eating at buffets every night.

And the only reason why I have singled out Pacquaio to go down and fight at Marquez’s weight is because thats what Pacquaio has been making other fighters do. So it should go both ways. If its a guy that you know you can beat, but the only way the guy might have a chance of winning is because of his size, and you ask for a catchweight and the guy accepts, you should be able to grant that same opportunity to another fighter.

If Pacquaio does that, I’ll bow down to him.

by The Floorer on Aug 1, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I mean, that is what being the P4P champ is about right? Moving up and down from weight beating everyone

No, that’s not what it’s about. It’s just about being the best fighter in the world without regard to weight classes. It has nothing to do with going up and down in weight. Marvin Hagler was considered the best P4P fighter in the world from 1983-86 and he never budged from middleweight.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 1, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

But past that, I have no doubt Pacquiao could still make 135 comfortably. Like, no doubt whatsoever. He’s basically fighting at the weight he walks around at at this point.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree, technically thats the way it is

But if you notice everytime there is a P4P discussion its always about fighters fighting in the smaller weight classes that move up and down, hardly ever fighters that stay in one division throughout their careers are mentioned as tops for P4P.Example: heavyweights that stay at the heavy weight limit their whole careers are hardly mentioned.
I mean think about it, in the past couple of years, decades the P4P list has been filled with guys like Hopkins, Dela Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquaio, Roy Jones, Trinidad, Pernell Whitaker, Chavez, Shane Mosley, Barrera, Morales, Kostya Tszyu, Marquez, Winky Wright, Ray Leonard, just to name a few. The one thing that I noticed about all of these guys were that they didn’t stay in one division throughout their careers. They moved up, down, and some even came back to where they first started.
So I do believe that when the P4P list is being made these things are taken into consideration. Think about it, theres been plenty of great heavyweights throughout the years, but how many have held a #1 spot on a P4P list, and then for how long? IMO its an accomplishment just to be on a P4P list if you’re a heavy weight because I believe that division gets overlooked because these guys are staying in one division dominating unlike the guys I mentioned in the lighter weight classes who move up and down and dominate.

by The Floorer on Aug 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if you notice everytime there is a P4P discussion its always about fighters fighting in the smaller weight classes that move up and down

That’s just sort of how it happens, though. Almost nobody stays in the same weight class forever.

So I do believe that when the P4P list is being made these things are taken into consideration. Think about it, theres been plenty of great heavyweights throughout the years, but how many have held a #1 spot on a P4P list, and then for how long?

But that’s the point. The heavyweights are rarely the pound-for-pound best in the world. It’s almost always a smaller guy. The whole P4P thing was created basically to say Sugar Ray Robinson was the best fighter in the world without having some dope point out that he can’t beat the heavyweights because they’re a lot bigger than him. It’s just about who’s the best with no regard to their weight or what would happen if Manny Pacquiao fought Wladimir Klitschko.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 1, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heavyweights not being there has little to do with not moving around

It’s pound for pound. Heavyweights have more pounds, since there’s no limit. A big heavyweight is unlikely to make a lot of pound for pound lists because a lot of the reason he wins is simply because of size. That said, Tyson was #1 P4P for a while, and Ali was considered #1 for a long time.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 1, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a fighter’s abilities really stand out fron the rest,it doesn’t matter what weight he is,although i do take your point and it is fair to wonder if the likes of Wlad and Vitali would be as effective if not for their size,height and reach.

by Matt Mosley on Aug 1, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marquez fights at 135, thats his best weight. Pacquaio fights at 147 right now, and he’s doing pretty good there also… why not fight Marquez at a catchweight, something like 137. I mean, that is what being the P4P champ is about right? Moving up and down from weight beating everyone, not just moving up.

If that scenario happens, I will eat my hat.

Marquez has given Pacquiao 24 rounds of hell at prime weight, and anything above 135 which you say is his best weight won’t be as effective. Why would Pacquiao want to give Marquez an advanatage? Pacquiao is the name, he’s the humble P4P Congressman after all, and he would be able to bully Marquez in negotiations. Marquez NEEDS the fight, for Pacquiao, it isn’t a necessity. Marquez would get desperate, give in to every one of Manny’s contract stipulations, and get beaten soundly over 12 rounds at welterweight for some kind of Super Silver WBC 5ft 8inch title.

But ‘negotiations’ won’t even happen either, since Top Rank want to keep everything in-house. Pacquiao vs. Barrera anyone?

by Dafs on Aug 1, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

for some kind of Super Silver WBC 5ft 8inch title.

ha!

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by lcollins1 on Aug 1, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree, Marquez would cut off his own foot to get back in the ring with Pcaquaio. He's desperate.

If Pacquaio says lets fight at 154, Marquez would accept that.
Marquez has no leverage when it comes to making a deal with Pacquaio.

by The Floorer on Aug 1, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Yo!

When Manny fought Dela Hoya, there was no catch weight. They fought at the agreed welterweight limit of 147 lbs. At the time, many, perhaps including you, scoffed at this fight as a “circus act”; very few gave Manny a chance. Of course, nobody would have bought this fight if it was set at 154 lbs, which was Oscar’s natural weight class by that time. The only time that Manny imposed a catch weight was in the Cotto fight. Manny defeated Cotto, but Cotto himself said that the weight was not an issue in that fight. He was in great shape; he just lost to a better fighter that night. Now, it would be LAUGHABLE, if not downright SILLY, if Marquez would be demanding a catch weight from Pacquiao because: (1) JMM is the B-side fighter here; he’s not in any position to make demands, either in weight or purse-split; he’s not even a champion at the higher weight; he’s got fewer options than Manny; he should consider himself lucky if he gets this fight and jumps in front of everybody else waiting in line(2) JMM and Pacquiao came from the same class; Marquez is even taller than Pacquiao, so why should he demand a catch weight? Given, Pacquiao carried his power and speed at the higher weights better than Marquez; why would Pacquiao give up his hard won advantage over a fighter who offers him nothing in terms of legacy or title?

by Yes Yo! on Aug 2, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they did fight, I suspect Marquez would REALLY try to get it at 140. But I also think he’d fight Pacquiao no matter what if there was an offer for it. He’d give in to anything. He wants it that bad.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 1, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What needs to happen for Pac-JMM III to happen

1) JMM takes the Khan fight, and wins, spectacularly.
[2) Pac beats Margarito, obviously.]
3) Pac-Mayweather talks break down, yet again.
4) DiCaprio and team invade Bob Arum’s dreams.
5) Hell’s temperature drops at least 70 degrees.

by El Destruyo on Aug 1, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

pacq vs marquez at 135?

it wont happen!…….it’s the one who is chasing pacq ( for obvious reason, money) should give in ( losing weight) and not the other way around!… pacq is smarter than you think!……..it’s a bad scenario amigo!…

by pikon on Aug 1, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think Marquez is chasing Manny for the money..

He’s chasing him because he legitimately believes he beat Pacquiao twice and got robbed.

Marquez is the Mexican fighter who fights because he loves the sport of boxing and loves to get hit while hitting back.

Of course, he would like to get paid big money, who doesn’t?, but I don’t think money will ever get in the way of an agreement to fight Pacquiao.

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by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 1, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

JMM is a rarely seen warrior. So is Pac.

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by lcollins1 on Aug 1, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who does everyone think actually did win those fights, by the way?

I think Pacquiao won the first fight, but Marquez won the second fight (by a somewhat narrower margin than that by which Pacquiao won the first fight).

by taco pal on Aug 1, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had Pacquiao winning both by a point

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by Brickhaus on Aug 1, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also had Pac winning both fights...

… by a sliver of a margin, but yes. And I’m not really a Pacquiao fan, but I think he got the job done on both occasions, though not without a tremendous fight from JMM.

by Apprentice on Aug 2, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think a third fight would end up in a more decisive Pacquiao victory.

by Apprentice on Aug 2, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree. Mainly because of age and weight.

by taco pal on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I think Manny would knock JMM out in a third fight. All JMM is is older and, with respect to his still very high skill level, worse.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 6, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think even with the knockdowns that Marquez piled up enough rounds to get both decision wins over Pac.

by The Floorer on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You would have reached that conclusion regardless of whether you even watched the fights.

by taco pal on Aug 2, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really think that Marquez belives that he has Pcaquaio’s number. He really believes he can beat him.

by The Floorer on Aug 1, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

MARQUEZ SHOULD CONTINUE CHASING PACMAN'S WEIGHT.

People who hates Pacman especially Coward Marweather’s fans are longing Pacman to lose. Pacman is the current #1 P4P and fighter of the decade and nobody else. Marquez has been chasing Pacman then so be it. Let him chase Pacman and fight Pacman where he is right now at 147 welterweight, but not asking for catch weight because he can longer chase him? They are at the same weight from the beginning they fought (first and second) and now he is asking for a catch weight? He even fought Mayweather at 147 by accepting $600,000 on top of his prize money and now he wants a catch weight? He is not even a cash cow for God sake. When Pacman fought Cotto at 145 catch weight, it was fair to demand for a catch weight because Pacman is the cash cow and he is going up to catch the weight of Cotto. If it could have been the other way around, then Pacman has no choice but fight Cotto at 147 pounds if he wants the title. Therefore if Marquez wants Pacman, then he should fight Pacman where he is at his weight level right now.
When Pacman fought Oscar, it was Oscar who challenged Pacman because Mayweather does not want a rematch. Pacman was only 135 pounds at that time and Oscar was 154 middle weight. It was just fair to ask for a catch weight to fight a taller and bigger Oscar in order to make the fight.
Be realistic and use your common sense people. Let us be fair of Pacman. The guy just want a fair match to make a good fight for us.

by BOIEMACHO on Aug 1, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Marquez gets no success higher than 135, and should go for the paycheck...

At 140, his only realistic option is Khan because of politics, but lets dream that Bradley, Alexander and Judah are easy to make fights. IMO, JMM doesn’t win any of those 4 fights. He would beat Hatton, but Hatton will never make 140 again.

At 147, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Berto and Cotto would be favourite to beat him… So he should go for the biggest money fight on the table, or stay at lightweight and defend against Katsidis… He’s at the tailend of his career, which basically leaves one option. $$$

by Dafs on Aug 1, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

There is only one realistic reason Manny would even consider fighting JMM. Lots of Money.

Because regardless of what JMM thinks, the fact is Manny beat him twice. In the modern era, I can’t think off hand of any examples of truly elite fighters going at it three times after one has won the first two. And if there are, they certainly weren’t of Manny’s stature.

Moreover, Manny and the world have moved on. So has most of the boxing world. The majority want to see Manny continue a historic run as David chasing down Goliaths. Now Margarito and Cotto may no longer qualify (although personally I think there are risks in fighting Margarito) but if Manny is going down in weight to prove himself further, he has plenty of top young talent to knock off before giving Marquez another shot.

Trilogies are the domain of those with something still to prove and/or few other equally lucrative options. For me, Pacquiao v JMM doesn’t meet that bill.

by pakinpower on Aug 1, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Because regardless of what JMM thinks, the fact is Manny beat him twice.

They drew the first time.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 1, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touche!

That’s how far I guess I’ve moved on.

by pakinpower on Aug 1, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Pacquiao should fight Sergio Martinez at 154 then.

by taco pal on Aug 1, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Martinez-Margarito?

Margarito gave Martinez his last definitive loss ten years ago. Plus, both men have fought most of their careers as welterweights. They are both big men; both are capable of fighting at or above 154.

Not that he is asking for and/or demanding it, but if there was anyone who deserves a rematch to vindicate an earlier loss, it’s Martinez.

And if there was any justice in the world, Antonio would have to prove himself against this bigger and badder version of Sergio before getting paid to fight the unquestionably smaller, highest prized Manny.

I suspect Margarito gets busted up either way…but I am all but certain he would pay a higher karmic debt to the game at Martinez’s hands

by pakinpower on Aug 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guerrero could be a tough fight.

But yeah, let’s see Marquez and Katsidis go at it.

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by Goatsnake on Aug 2, 2010 3:41 AM EDT reply actions  

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