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Angulo turns down fight with Sergio Martinez | Boxing Scene
Alfredo "El Perro" Angulo has reportedly turned down an offer of at least $750,000 to face Sergio Martinez for the world middleweight title. ESPN is reporting that the offer may have been as high as $1 million. This is getting a little absurd for an up-and-comer trying to make a name for himself. First, Angulo vacated his interim title so he wouldn't have to face full titlist Sergei Dzinziruk, and now he's turning down career high paydays to face the true middleweight champion. Angulo claims he just wanted to be treated fairly. Both promoter Gary Shaw and manager Mike Criscio are on record saying that they think Angulo should have taken the offer. This seems to reopen the door for a Williams-Martinez rematch.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. Disappoints | ESPN
It's incredible just how much the mainstream media has turned on Floyd Mayweather Jr. This article is by Scoop Jackson, long one of Mayweather's biggest public supporters, very publicly jumping off the bandwagon for not making a fight with Manny Pacquiao. The fight falling apart certainly isn't all Mayweather's fault, but you wouldn't know it if you were just following the coverage of the negotiations in ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo and other major media outlets.
A look back at Moreno-Cermeno I | The Boxing Bulletin
Andrew Fruman does the classic round by round treatment for the first fight between Anselmo Moreno and Nehomar Cermeno, in which Moreno got the extremely tight decision in a highly contested bout. Not many people had the chance to see the first fight, since it wasn't available by live streaming (which the rematch is), so this is worth a read if you plan on checking out this weekend's rematch.
Dzinziruk-Berto-Caballero triple-header may be in the works | Fanhouse
HBO is exploring the possibility of putting on a triple-header of title fights in October. None of the fights stand out on their own, but with three good fighters, it might be worth tuning in. Sergei Dzinziruk would likely face Luis Collazo, as mentioned previously by Scott, in Collazo's first bout at 154. Berto's possible opponents include Andriy Kotelnik, who many thought beat Devon Alexander last weekend, and Cornelius Bundrage, who won a title at 154 pounds with a victory over Cory Spinks last weekend. Caballero's opponent hasn't been publicly discussed, although there are rumblings that his camp is in negotiations with Jason Litzau. The proposed card would be at the Brooklyn Mets' minor league stadium in Coney Island.
Leapai stops Beck in the 6th | Fight News
As usual, Beck started decently enough but started to have trouble after a few rounds. Leapai is a fun, aggressive fighter, and with his current streak of wins over faded former contenders, maybe he'll start to get a higher profile. He fights Danny Williams in a month, and if he gets past Williams and Cris Arreola gets past Manuel Quezada tomorrow night, I'd love to see a fight between Leapai and Arreola, which could really bring some fireworks.
Pascal has a unique opportunity | CBC
With Glen Johnson losing this past weekend, the fight between Chad Dawson and Jean Pascal might also be for the lineal light heavyweight championship, if you believe that Zsolt Erdei vacated when he moved up to cruiserweight, or if you believe that Erdei was never the champ to begin with. If Pascal wins, he'll be the first Canadian to arguably win a lineal title on Canadian soil. Gary Shaw goes on to mention that he'd like to turn Montreal into Dawson's new 'home town', and that the bout he's looking to set up between Dawson and Lucian Bute would be at a catchweight of 172 pounds, for the light heavyweight title only. Bute will reportedly be sitting ringside, and probably will have great interest in facing the winner, whoever it may be.
Cotto-Chavez at MSG, proposed for December 4 | Dan Rafael's Twitter
Let's hope Rafael keeps positng as many juicy tidbits as he has in his first few days with the account (which is confirmed by Rafael as real). Probably the most significant tweet up to this point is that Bob Arum is putting the finishing touches on a December 4 pay-per-view bout between Miguel Cotto and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., to take place in Madison Square Garden. He also mentioned that Peter Manfredo Jr. has been signed to a promotional contract with Lou DiBella. Considering the lack of depth in the middleweight division at the moment, there are a ton of good fights that could be made with Manfredo.
Hasim Rahman comes to Norfolk | WAVY.com
Rahman continues to take light touches while on his comeback trail. He was badly beaten by Wladimir Klitschko in late 2008, and has been slowly stepping up his competition from scrub to gatekeeper since then. He'll be taking on Damon Reed this weekend, who should get Rahman some rounds but little else. Unfortunately, Rahman has been back in the 260 pound range lately, which sort of shows he's not taking this comeback all that seriously. Maybe he should focus more on helping his son launch his amateur career.
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I’ve never been on Twitter before, but after looking at Dan Rafael’s I saw this:
Floyd Mayweather: Good morning. What’s everyone been doing this week?
Dan Rafael’s response: Waiting for you to agree to fight Pacquaio.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
One of the few times that I agree with Dan
He could be a little bias sometimes. I think he forgets that his job has him being in a neutral corner and just reporting the facts. But sometimes Dan Rafeal can become a fan, and thats when he loses me.
FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Mayweather may be a winner in the ring, but when he opens his mouth it is usually all down hill from there. If you are really that great you do not have to tell every one and bad mouth every one else. But if you are really that great you do not have to avoid Manny Paquiao either. Pac Man does not talk a great fight he just puts on one.
I can’t say i find the HBO tripleheader all that appealing.Collazo would be at a disadvantage as a long time average sized welter and Berto just needs to stop picking on either little guys or in this case a bigger guy who is at least a level below him,imo.
If these fighters and their respective fights were in their prime weight class,i would be intrigued but i just can’t stand this jumping about when all they are really doing is avoiding real challenges at their own weight and/or pricing themselves out of fights.
Jason Litzua for Cabballero??…Come on man!Thats surely an obliteration in Caba’s favour.
Oh well,good reading anyway.
Martinez v Williams 2……………Make that FOTY!!!!
Also
I’m pretty sure Cotto is gonna break at least 2 of JCC Jr’s ribs or maybe that is just hope.
Cotto by stoppage with some beaut body snatching.
Berto and DiBella have certainly earned some negativity as they’ve blatantly asked for “easier fights” at times, but there’s really nothing for him to do at 147 without someone at 140 coming up. He’s not going to fight Floyd or Manny, Mosley’s moving up to fight Mora, and then there’s Clottey, and Clottey won’t be getting any marquee fights any time soon, I don’t expect. After that you’re into guys who are absolutely not going to fight Berto. It’s a no man’s land for him right now. Everything he can do is going to be less than what you’d want. I kind of feel bad for him — he’s at that point in his career where we should be finding out if he’s the next level or not, and there’s no one for him to fight to figure that out.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, just flip a few of the opponents around and you get a pretty intriguing card
Berto-Collazo II (say at a catchweight of 150 if Collazo really can’t make weight anymore)
Dzinziruk-Bundrage unification
Who knows who Caballero will actually fight. I just heard from someone fairly reliable on Caballero matters that they were talking to Litzau. Not sure how that would even go. Litzau’s been fighting at 135 lately. Caballero has never weighed more than 126. Just they’re having massive problems (as usual) getting anyone halfway decent to want to step up to Caballero. There are too many other less risky and bigger money options available to the top guys at FW.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Wouldn't be too shocked to see Caballero-Rigondeaux down the line though
Rigo is sort of in no-man’s land with trainers and promoters at the moment, but I think that’s a very winnable fight for Rigo, and it would launch his name in a big way. Plus, both have some ties to DiBella.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Honestly both of those Berto fights intrigue me
You’re spot on about it being a no man’s land. I logged in on one of his little ‘press conference from my house about nothing’, and he was literally just taking suggestions on who he should fight next…. and responding to them. He seems pretty frustrated about the lack of a decent opportunity out there that makes sense for him.
Like I said though…. I’d tune in to see him take on Kotelnik or Bundrage for sure.
I would love to see Berto v Cotto,as i think many others would.
Is it only because of the JCC fight that that is not happening or what?
I mean,do you see it happening next year maybe?
Also,what do you think to the Cabballero v Litzau fight?I may have jumped the gun a bit there as i see Litzau is quite highly ranked up at 130….on Boxrec,at least.
I would love to see Berto v Cotto,as i think many others would.
Is it only because of the JCC fight that that is not happening or what?
Top Rank does seem very set on staying in-house. Cotto-Chavez is a lot more money, too. Unfortunate, perhaps, but Chavez is a much more bankable star than Berto.
Caballero would dominate Litzau. Litzau’s new safer style doesn’t make him any better, just less apt to take a serious ass-kicking and less fun to watch.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 12, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Berto's two possibilities
Kolkelnik at 147: ugh. Hard as he hit Alexander without often staggering him, he’d better gain the extra seven pounds in horseshoes, sown into his gloves.
K9 at 147: is that possible? We were just commenting this weekend about how dude seems to weigh 154 in biceps alone.
Stop fucking around and put him in with a real welterweight. It’s a shame no one revisited the Berto-Mosley talk, actually. That fight’s still quite intriguing.
I think K9 would be at 154
Or possibly at a catchweight. Berto’s fought plenty at 154 before.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I sincerely hope Berto is a God-Loving Man
He has been dealt a bad hand recently. First the Earthquake and it’s impact on so much of his life. Then his need to postpone his fight with Mosely. Then Mosely’s wipeout at the hands of Floyd.
That’s three strikes ….none for which he can be blamed.
I like Angulo and if matched properly he might be able to pick a belt or 2 up but i think we know the reason why he turned the Martinez fight down;he didn’t want to be get embarrased by a guy with not only much more talent and quicker hands but also more experience.
$750,000 would surely have been worth that arse kicking though especially if,like Shaw says,Angulo was guaranteed a return on HBO if (when) he lost.
Angulo v Cotto,Kirkland,Margarito,maybe even JCC Jr would all be much more winable fights for him,imo.
It might be awhile before he gets an offer for a payday like that again though.
I think we might be seeing — and this is just speculation — the differences in how Shaw and Angulo probably see Angulo’s career panning out. Just business, not personal, as Shaw is by all accounts incredibly fond of Angulo, to the point that Angulo lived with him for a bit a while back. But Gary has been around a long time and is no dummy — Angulo got outboxed by Kermit Cintron, for God’s sake. He’s very slow and a guy like Martinez would, as you said, embarrass him.
That said, Shaw obviously thinks the payday was a good idea. I would guess Shaw knows that even if Angulo loses some fights (especially good losses like Sergio would be), he’s so exciting in the ring that he’ll always be able to get TV dates. I mean Arturo Gatti was brought back time and time again even though he got shredded as expected by Oscar and Floyd. Shit, Gatti was so much fun that they brought him back to fight Alfonso Gomez after Arturo had been savaged by Carlos Baldomir. Angulo is no Gatti yet by any stretch, but he should be able to keep TV dates for a good while if they’re smart enough to get him his wins between good-paying losses.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 12, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are very good points on Angulo
and what Shaw’s thinking might be.
Either way, the fight I’d like—very much—would be a Cintron/Williams rematch—
But it doesn’t appear to be on the Christmas list.
Angulo is staying away from anyone with boxing skills.
After the Cintron fight, he isn’t taking any chances.
You're right
I don’t like to call this out much, but I think this is a flat out duck.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If I were Angulo I’d happily let Martinez make me look like a fool for 12 rounds for that amount of cash.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
Nah, he's exciting enough that he'd bounce back
Cintron made him look foolish too, IMO, and he hasn’t had a problem getting good fights since then. Besides, other than Bundrage and maybe Margarito, what major fighter at 154 or 160 DOESN’T make him look like a fool? Dzinziruk is a worse style matchup than Martinez. Pirog is a horrible style matchup. Pavlik would just jab him to death. I don’t fancy his chances against Cotto, and Arum will keep Cotto fighting Top Rank guys and patsies anyway. Chavez Jr. is already getting fed to Cotto. Canelo would not only embarrass him, but then he’d be embarrassed by a fellow Mexican. He was already schooled by Cintron. Maybe he wouldn’t look like a fool against Williams, but I doubt he’d win.
Maybe he does okay against Latimore, Foreman or Martirosyan, but those are hardly big money fights.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Never in a million years
But he’ll get built back up again, if he doesn’t choose to retire. A few fights against guys like Alfonso Gomez and Jesus Soto-Karass, and Arum will rematch him against Margarito or someone.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Angulo has already been promoted to a far greater extent than Clottey ever was.
Clottey was a horse in Top Rank’s stable…a good one…but never their star.
Angulo is very special to Shaw and has already been brought to our attention in a much more significant way than Clottey ever was by Arum. Clottey actually earned his day in the sun. (Margarito, Corrales, Judah, Cotto, then Manny). Angulo has wilted when given full exposure (Cintron).
Angulo will go as far as his own skills allow him. He has the style and, for now, the backing.
Cotto should beat Chavez
but does anyone else get the feeling that Bob Arum is trying to end Cotto’s career.
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
by fr8nk the tank on Aug 12, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
No.
I actually think giving him Chavez is a gift; payback of sorts for the service that he has rendered.
Cotto is Top Rank all the way. He was scouted by and recruited by Arum’s step-son, Todd DuBoef. They promoted him from day one and and brought him to the highest levels of his game.
Giving him JCC Jr will simply extend their run together.
well put
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
It’s a no-lose for Top Rank really.
If Cotto wins, then Cotto just beat JCC Jr., who they’ve convinced at least some people is a good fighter (and did look better last time out). They set up Cotto money fights then. And Junior really loses no face, because Miguel Cotto is a hell of a good fighter.
There are really only two ways Junior Chavez can lose face in this fight:
1. He curls up into a ball and weeps, which is, to quote Gorilla Monsoon, highly unlikely
2. He is the recipient of a terrible, horrible scorecard robbery victory
Otherwise, no matter what he does, he fought Miguel Cotto, took the challenge, and then can get on with the rest of his career. If Roach can keep improving him, he’s going to have a long career if he wants it.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 13, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
The other part too is that, other than a Margarito rematch, there just aren’t that many winnable, big money fights around for Cotto. I mean, Arum has practically managed to invent Foreman and Chavez out of thin air, and even I was suckered into believing Foreman was going to win.
After that, if there’s no Pacquiao rematch (and I really hope there isn’t), there just aren’t many good style matchups. Angulo is like a bigger, younger version of Margarito with half the name recognition. Berto would be a good enough fight, but he seems to have an inflated sense of self-worth at the negotiating table. All the tall southpaws (Williams, Martinez, Dzinziruk) are bad style matchups for Cotto. I guess either Cintron or Collazo could set up some kind of all-PR fight.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Dec 4th
The Jr vsWolack fight is Off. I Can’t Wait till Jr. Fights Cotto, I will be at Ringside to Witness Jr. Beating Cotto. I Know Alot of you on BLH will Disagree But we are All Entitled to our Own Opinions. I just Wonder what Excuses I will Read and Hear Afterwards.
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