Ward-Dirrell likely to be postponed as promoters dispute venue
The scheduled September 25 fight between close friends Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell in the Super Six World Boxing Classic is looking more and more likely to be postponed, according to Lem Satterfield of FanHouse. Promoters Gary Shaw and Dan Goossen are in a dispute about where the fight will be held, and though they're working to hash it out, they're both pretty set on their positions.
"There is zero chance -- no chance -- that Andre Dirrell goes to Oakland to fight Andre Ward," said Shaw, who won't entertain fighting Ward at a neutral site. "No way. Andre Ward has been at home the whole time. He's got to come to Michigan to fight Andre Dirrell."
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"I'm still working on the site with Dirrell's team. Sept. 25 is the date that we've targeted, but obviously, as the days go on, the harder it is to look at that date. I'm still arguing the fact that the most money to be made for all of us is in Oakland," said Goossen.
So Shaw demands Detroit, a city with no money, and Goossen is stuck on Oakland, where Ward is becoming a bigger local draw by the fight. Shaw not entertaining the idea of a neutral site is kind of silly -- it's the logical thing to do if the sides are so entirely against fighting on one man's home turf. But he might just be bluffing about that to solidify his anti-Oakland stance, too. If Goossen comes up with a neutral ground that Shaw and Dirrell don't mind, they can then say, "Well, we don't want to, but if that's what it takes to get this done, then fine. Let's do it."
Realistically, Goossen is almost certainly right. The only place this fight makes much money is in Oakland. Despite Ward's status as an emerging P4P contender and his domination in his first two Super Six fights, he's not a huge name by any means yet. He is, though, building up a loyal audience in his hometown. Dirrell doesn't even really have that, and he's even less known than Ward outside of his own turf. Las Vegas would run the risk of drawing a pitiful crowd at a second-rate casino, and you have to expect that any location in California is not agreeable for Shaw and Dirrell. The best fit might really be New York, a market so large and with so many serious boxing fans that they might be able to promote heavily and spark some interest.
A really "out there" idea would be Montreal. If you get some local talent involved on the undercard (maybe David Lemieux, for instance), I think there are enough diehard fight fans in Montreal who just love to see world-class boxing that it could possibly be a success there even without one of the major Quebec-based fighters headlining. It wouldn't do a Bute crowd, obviously, but then again they're not going to get a Bute crowd or a Bute gate out of this thing anywhere.
Finding a Showtime-approved date and a fighter-approved location could wind up being quite a hassle. Hopefully there's a compromise coming soon, or this could drag out for a while. Showtime had set everything up very well to keep all the fighters on the same schedule, with Mikkel Kessler facing Allan Green on September 25, too, and Carl Froch and Arthur Abraham meeting the following weekend.
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Let me beat waldo
Oakland. It should happen in Oakland.
by journeyintosound on Aug 16, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
haha
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 16, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the only time I'll get to say this
The Money is in OAKLAND!
by Waldo Rastel on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Stick it on the card with Bute-Brinkley
That would be a big FU to Showtime for not inviting Bute to participate. But it also makes some sense. If Dirrell loses, he’s probably out of the tournament, and his next logical opponent would be Bute. Plus, it forces Showtime into paying extra money to air a fight that otherwise wouldn’t be televised in the US. It probably also boosts Canadian PPV sales.
October 13 might still be too early though. Like I said elsewhere, I’ve heard that the two fighters haven’t even started training yet, and I’ve heard a few quiet grumblings that this might be a prelude to Dirrell pulling out of the tourney completely.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Bute/Brinkley
card is a first-rate idea.
by Don From Prov on Aug 16, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Dirrel is supposedy headed to LH !!!
Funny cause on ESB pre tournament I posted that Froch would quit the tourny before the end after a bad decision !!! Still could happen !!! Overall the tournament will prove a flop IMO !!! I really believe that !!! The idea was a good one but the whole process is and was flawed !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Aug 18, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Monaco Super Six doubleheader
Everyone gets neutrality, no one gets paid. Let’s do this the right way: the dumb way.
by El Destruyo on Aug 16, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That place wouldn’t look so great with 7,500 people in it.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 16, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
In all seriousness
The two options are really Vegas and Oakland, that’s it. Boardwalk Hall is another option but I’m not sure how much money is in that option. Vegas will pay for the fight upfront so that it doesn’t matter that 10 people showed up, the casino already paid for the fight. This is really one of the only ways that the promoters can make up the amount of money that they are leaving on the table by leaving Oakland. I mean Ward can go whup some ass anywhere, not his fault Dirrell is already scared of him.
No way do casinos pay as much for that as he gets for oracle
They sell like 10k tickets at probably an average of like 50 a pop. A casino isn’t paying half a million to host this fight, as there is no indication that either guy would travel well (and thus bring in the business) that . The money is in Oakland.
by journeyintosound on Aug 17, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
Super Six is kinda a big deal and the casinos could promote the hell out of having the last stage 3 fight in Vegas. Also there is a good chance that the second round all occurs in Vegas because of the need for a neutral site, so this would start the ball rolling on that front. All in all the money might be slightly less (hell it could be more) in Vegas but it does have tactical advantages.
by Waldo Rastel on Aug 17, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, I'm with Shaw
Its not fair for Ward to get all three of his fights at home. Froch, Abraham, Green, Taylor, and Kessler all traveled, and in some cases traveled far. It strikes me as favoritism if Ward gets all three of his fights at home – especially with very fighter winning at home.
Vote Quimby
Are you familiar with Oakland?
It’s no fair that Oakland is so much better than Detroit. It’s just a cold fact of nature.
by journeyintosound on Aug 17, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
There are like 5 cities in the country you could say that about and make it a true statement, but Oakland actually IS better than Detroit.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I guess we're in the minority, but I'm with you mason_beer
I understand the money argument, but then Ward should’ve traveled at some point in this tournament. Besides, this is more than just about money. In the first episode of Fight Camp 360, one of the first things I remember hearing was: “Ward doesn’t travel” from Goosen… and basically, somehow, that translated into a literal Ward gets all his fights in Oakland. Doesn’t seem right to me.
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito. In an economy that should be consumer driven, we suddenly find ourselves being force-fed by the producers of the spectacle. I say NO. If you agree with me, you should say NO too.
Shaw should realize
that Abraham, and Froch only got one hometown fight, and Allan Green doesn’t even get one. The main reason why Kessler and Ward have gotten two hometown fights is because they both had/have to face Allan Green who by himself couldn’t draw anywhere by himself, I mean imagine Kessler-Green in California or Vegas. Dirrell should realize he will be fighting in his home country, unlike against Froch, a situation where he understandably would not want to go back to the UK, and the chances of being screwed are slim, and the MONEY is in Oakland, which is more often than not, the tiebreaker.
"Dawson was NOT a hype job. Dude schooled Adamek, beat Tarver twice (neither competitive), beat Johnson twice (once close, once a wipeout) and even beat Harding when Harding was still good. That is not hype. Those are results. [b]I love how people see a guy lose once and all of a sudden nothing they ever did means anything. You are dead wrong.[/b]"
- Dan Rafael
Both guys really want the hometown advantage though
I honestly don’t think either guy cares as much about the money here. Make it to the next round, and there’s good guaranteed money.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Sorry but Bute would kill Dirrel !!!
Too many advantages for Bute who can Box and or Punch !!! Dirrels only hope would be on the outside but Bute has very underated speed.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Aug 18, 2010 8:21 PM EDT reply actions

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