Texas will license Margarito, Cowboys Stadium will host Pacquiao fight
by Scott Christ on Aug 17, 2010 1:41 PM EDT
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PrintYesterday, Lance Pugmire of the Los Angeles Times reported that a deal had been reached to host the November 13 fight between Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas. Today, more on the situation has come out, and everything sounds like it's set in stone.
Lem Satterfield of FanHouse reports today that Margarito has been "assured" a license in Texas. He'll be going before the California State Athletic Commission on August 18 to appeal his suspension, which was handed down in February 2009 after a hand-wrapping controversy prior to his January 2009 fight with Shane Mosley, which Margarito lost.
"A deal has been made, it's going to go to Dallas," said the source, "and [Margarito] has been assured a license in Dallas."
If Margarito's suspension is lifted by California, which seems likely now, there'll be absolutely no problem licensing him in Texas. I'd guess this is probably less that they have some backdoor deal with the Texas officials than it is a source who already knows that California plans to give Margarito his license back. And despite any protests about that, the fact is that they may not have enough solid evidence to keep the ban on Margarito active.
Everyone seems pretty excited about hosting the fight in Texas, and it makes sense. Pacquiao drew in a little over 50,000 fans for a fight in March against Joshua Clottey, who Arum says has "no following in north Texas," which is his nice way of saying Clottey has no following anywhere in America. Margarito, on the other hand, is not just a Mexican fighter, but even with his troubles is still one of the top active Mexican names in boxing. Margarito's involvement alone could up the attendance another 10-20,000 if tickets are affordable, and they kind of have to be in a venue that big. There is a very realistic chance that Pacquiao-Margarito could put 70,000 fans in the seats at Cowboys Stadium.
I also wanted to include a poll here, because I'm curious as to the results. So vote!
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which is his nice way of saying Clottey has no following anywhere in America
Or, for that matter, the earth.
Rules of evidence rule in the fianl analysis.
My analyssis of this indicates that the chain of evidence in the case has been badly mishandled, Margo will be back, Bet on it.
Pray for Nick Charles
The State prosecutor used by the CSAC recommended that the CSAC refer the case to the Cali Department of Justice for prosecution. The CSAC did indeed do so. Once the State Justice Department had the case, they found that it would be a problematic case to win for a collection of reasons. Among them was a chain of evidence issue. They understood that the primary evidence had been handled by a collection of individuals in the commission and elsewhere without a clean evidence tracking system being used. The hurdles needing clearance are much higher in a criminal prosecution then in a commission hearing.
Pray for Nick Charles
You are spot on
My understanding is that from the moment the wraps were unwrapped and being ‘inspected’ they left the locker room and changed hands an undetermined number of times. In fact, they were presumably handed/handled by a number of those in Mosely’s camp. There was no way they could ever be considered ‘evidence’ in a court of law.
There’s no way I plan on getting this PPV. Probably for both of the No reasons, although I picked the latter in the poll. I want to see Pacquiao fighting the best…Mayweather. I won’t order a Mayweather fight until then either. But also, in this case, Margarito’s plaster wraps pretty much made it so I really would prefer not to watch him fight ever again. Needless to say, as much as I like Pacquiao, and enjoy watching him fight…I won’t be getting this PPV. I’ll just follow along with the BLH live scorecard.
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That's persuasive to me
I voted maybe, but I think a boycott of both Mayweather and Pacquiao isn’t a bad idea. The question is, and I say this as a Mayweather fan, what can Pacquiao do if Mayweather just doesn’t want to fight him (or anyone)? In this situation, I think I’m more angry that Margarito is the opponent that Pacquiao picked.
I do like Austin, though.
The Texas Boxing Commission should rename themselves the Texas Boxing and Fighting with Small Weapons or Guns Commission. I was really hoping this one was going to go to a third world country for the oddity of it….instead it went to the most proudly lawless state of the Union. Yee haw.
In Texas
this fight will do big numbers. A top mexican fighting arguably the best guy in the world. Its a shame that one is a cheater and the other should be fighting someone else
Judging by this poll I’d say it’s our own damn fault Arum keeps screwing us…
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito. In an economy that should be consumer driven, we suddenly find ourselves being force-fed by the producers of the spectacle. I say NO. If you agree with me, you should say NO too.
by Apprentice on Aug 17, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This guy should not be allowed to fight, period.
Does anybody other than his hardcore fans, who would stand by his side even if he killed their mother, think he deserves another chance. Theres no other way of saying it, he tried to hurt Mosley with something other than his fist and 8oz. gloves, which should be untolerable. I mean, look what Luis Resto did to Billy Collins. Sure it wasn’t the same thing, but we know the intention to harm with an illegal substance was there. Secondly, this is the worst subsitution for a Mayweather fight. And how Arum has been promoting this guy’s comeback, theres no doubt in my mind that even though Pacquiao wanted Mayweather, Arum wanted Pacquiao-Margarito. It might be exciting, but it will be short. This fight is nothing more than a sad excuse for Pacquiao to claim another paper belt under a catchweight against a former 147 pounder too.
"Dawson was NOT a hype job. Dude schooled Adamek, beat Tarver twice (neither competitive), beat Johnson twice (once close, once a wipeout) and even beat Harding when Harding was still good. That is not hype. Those are results. [b]I love how people see a guy lose once and all of a sudden nothing they ever did means anything. You are dead wrong.[/b]"
- Dan Rafael
There have been a few good arguments that he's served his time for his crime
It depends on whether you think he was just reusing pads for his wraps, or if he was actually trying to plaster, and whether he actually knew about it. If you think he knew about it and was trying to plaster, then I agree, he should be banned for life. If you think he didn’t know about it, or the wraps weren’t actually plastered (they’re both gray areas), then the suspension he’s already served is probably enough.
I’m not going to buy this one, but mostly because I want Pacquiao to face Mayweather and I’m just not going to buy their fights until they do so.
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I don't know how a fighter doesn't realize what is being put on his hands
To have your gloves tampered with is one thing as that can happen before the gloves ever reach the fighter, but when the wraps, gauze, you can feel it on your skin if it is hardened.
I understand your point though, I was not there and didn’t see his wraps, but most of the third party that saw it claims it was a hardened substance.
I’m not buying this fight, but I might go to a friend’s who is buying it or watch it at a bar, cause to give Marg his respect, in a sense, his lack of defense will make for a pretty exciting fight.
"Dawson was NOT a hype job. Dude schooled Adamek, beat Tarver twice (neither competitive), beat Johnson twice (once close, once a wipeout) and even beat Harding when Harding was still good. That is not hype. Those are results. [b]I love how people see a guy lose once and all of a sudden nothing they ever did means anything. You are dead wrong.[/b]"
- Dan Rafael
The only fight I’m prepared to pay/watch is Mayweather-Pacquiao.
by higgledy-piggledy on Aug 17, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
At the end of the day, this fight just isn't good enough.
Margarito’s coming off the back of a destructive loss, a year long break, and an iffy win against a nobody. By what rite should he be facing Manny Pacquiao ahead of the few fighters who actually deserve to be in the ring. If the Floyd fight isn’t happening, I wouldn’t subsequently veto all Pacquaio fights; however, unless he’s fighting a form guy – Bradley, Khan, Berto, Martinez, Williams or someone of this sort of ilk – then what’s the point? Sky will buy the fight and put it on Sky Sports 1 anyway, so I don’t need to worry about paying top buck for it, but still. It’s a fight that shouldn’t be happening, and we shouldn’t have to pay for it.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
Bullshit
What a bunch of bullshit. No, for both reason - it ain’t good enough and I will NOT support Margarito. EVER.
I’m kind of curious as to the reasons for people voting YES. Is it because you want to watch Pacquiao? You believe in second chances? You want to go to Dallas stadium so bad? You don’t care about the loaded gloves?
I voted yes because I am going to watch the fight. Not because I am going to order it. Perhaps I messed up and am skewing the results.
I think you are… the question seems to be whether you’re ordering it or not, not whether you’re going to watch it.
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito. In an economy that should be consumer driven, we suddenly find ourselves being force-fed by the producers of the spectacle. I say NO. If you agree with me, you should say NO too.
I voted no for Margarito
I was actually torn between the two because my reason wasn’t there; I vote no for Bob Arum. It’s not because Margarito cheated (even though I don’t think he should immediately be rewarded with the biggest payday of his life) or that it’s not a good enough fight (although it probably won’t be a good fight because Pacquiao will run circles around him), it’s because Bob Arum will continue to do this with his fighters until he can’t make a lot of money doing it. His selfishness is probably costing us Cotto-Berto (I would love to see this fight), Mayweather-Pacquiao (everyone would love to see this fight), and a plethera of other exciting fights.
I want to see the up and comers fight Cotto to see if they can replace him as a top fighter in the 147-154 lb. range; I want to see Pacquiao fight the great talent in the 140 lb. division if he can’t figure out a fight with Mayweather (both of their fault, by the way). But until Arum stops making millions of dollars (maybe even 10’s of millions) by keeping it in-house, he has no incentive to make these fights which everybody wants to see.
I'll pay to watch it because I want to witness Margo getting his butt kicked (again). And to be honest,
I ncan afford it. And to be even more honest, there is a curiosity factor at work here.
Pray for Nick Charles
Send me some work so I can afford it too
Just kidding. Mostly.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I voted maybe. It will depend on what I have going on that weekend and if they at least try to make a decent undercard. Its not a must-see fight, but I don’t feel compelled to boycott it either.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
if they at least try to make a decent undercard.
Ha. Good one.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 18, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted yes because I want to see it.
Strange things happen in the ring. We can be certain they won’t happen before entering.
A tremendous mismatch and, because the punishment was so light, an invitation for others to cheat...
and in the worst possible way.
What a great message to young fighters: load your gloves and get the best money fight possible the next year.
Fuck this fight.
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maybe off-topic...
… but I read so many times that the substance found in his gloves is plaster-of-paris-like, can any one really tell me what is the similarity? powder? does it really harden?
I really wanted to be on the right side of this issue and without real information it’s very hard to lean on going against margo.
Cheers,
They said it was flakes that contained elements of plaster
But that could mean just about anything. News reports said that meant the powder contained sulphur and calcium, but once again, those two elements could be in a lot of things. I’ve read that a lot of skin balms contain those elements.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4020190
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If
nothing else were involved, I’d still guess that Margarito is flat out shot.
Wouldn’t pay to watch dogs bait a bull either.
Let’s talk about this futher after it is official.
by pakinpower on Aug 18, 2010 11:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
For the casual fan this is a good scrap
I think the majority is ordering this fight because they know it will be fan friendly
plus i think most people are underrating Margarito and his achievements saying it was all the wraps, but when u think about it Margarito resume is really awesome
3 times champ , wins over cotto martinez cintron, ducked by mayweather and hyped by arum
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