Off to Texas for Margarito and Arum
After today's attempt at getting re-licensed failed miserably in California, word is already out that Antonio Margarito and Bob Arum will head to Texas in an attempt to seek licensing.
Dan Rafael has this at ESPN.com:
Margarito is expected to ask Texas for a license as soon as this week in the hopes of being granted one in order to fight with Manny Pacquiao at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington on Nov. 13.
George Willis of the New York Post has this quote from Arum:
"We're very optimistic Texas will grant the license," said Margarito's promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank. "But that is up to them.
The sobering reality of this for celebrating fans who are happy to see the California State Athletic Commission firmly deny Margarito's application for a boxing license is that the fight with Manny Pacquiao will still happen. One way or another, it's still going to happen.
We talked earlier about the fact that Texas has in the past been willing to license fighters who have been denied in other states, including Evander Holyfield and Edwin Valero. Texas also does not have the greatest reputation for a boxing commission overall. Their judges have been often criticized, as have their referees. Simply put, Texas has a reputation as being a bit of a wild west in boxing, where things aren't always as fair as they could be.
But the Texas commission will have a hell of a thing on their hands with this one from an immediate PR standpoint. Holyfield wasn't licensed because he'd performed so poorly in New York that the NYSAC banned him. Valero wasn't licensed because of an old brain injury that came from a motorcycle accident years before, leaving him to fight almost all of his matured pro career in Japan.
Margarito is a different case. He has now had his license revoked by California, and 18 months later has been turned down when applying for a new license. He also appealed in Superior Court, and the judges there sided with the California commission last year. You can also add that in February, the Association of Boxing Commissions issued a statement saying they felt Margarito's suspension (which was then eligible for a new hearing) should be upheld.
This puts Texas in a tough spot. They'd be going against two rulings by the CSAC and support from the ABC and Superior Court in Los Angeles on those rulings. If they license Margarito, is that commission prepared to have their credibility perhaps not just questioned, but seen as irreparably damaged and even completely invalidated?
The Pacquiao-Margarito fight would be a big deal for the Texas commission. It will make a lot of money in a bad economy, even after this ruling. Margarito does have his supporters, too, and it's not wise to forget that. Still, Texas would be taking an enormous PR risk by licensing Margarito. Not because Margarito might cheat -- no matter where he fights, his wrapping process is going to be watched intensely from here on out. But because those who felt before that Margarito should not be reinstated are now validated by the second ruling from California. Twice, a commission has declared that Margarito should not be fighting anymore.
Margarito is licensed in Mexico, yes, where things are relaxed, for lack of a better word. California won't have him. Will Texas have the sand to take him in?
We'll find out soon enough. And even if they don't, you should still stay prepared for the Pacquiao-Margarito fight.
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Where will he Get a License?
Nevada and Tx Said Margarito Must Apply in California First, Now he did. If Tx or Nevada give hima a License, GOOD FOR THEM.
Ugh
California could sue Texas over this also right if they licensed him?
I think it becomes a harder fight to sell if they have to put it in Mexico because Cheato is banned.. Not that Arum probably cares since he controls both fighters. There appears to be a real conflict with having your promoter also select who you fight, in that this may no longer be the most profitable fight for pac-man but it almost certainly will be for arum.
by journeyintosound on Aug 18, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
I guess they could
But I don’t know why they would waste taxpayer money on something that isn’t a slam dunk.
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Tx Here Comes the Fight
Greg Sirb of the National Association of Boxing Commissions Said Margarito is Free to Apply in Any Other State and will be Viewed in a More Favorable Light Elsewhere cause he Followed the ABC Request to Return to California First Before Trying to Get license Elsewhere.
Abu Dhabi is out sadly :(
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by Scott Christ on Aug 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
They want the fight at Cowboys Stadium. Arum and Jerry Jones have already talked about it. That’s as good as done if Texas licenses him.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible that if Texas turns down Margarito and thats a big IF, and Margarito isn’t allowed to box in the U.S , do you think Arum will scrap this fight and try to get Mayweather in late December, early January? Just because Arum has so much of a negative backlash for this fight.
1) He’s matching up Top Rank fighters against each other again
2) Pacquaio can lose and that can end Pacqauio’s sense of invicibility, against a fighter not named Mayweather.
3) The money wont be the same if Pacquaio loses, if and when he fights Mayweather.
4) A lot of people are saying that they wont pay for this fight because Margarito will be collecting proceeds also, and he doesn’t deserve it.
5) Bob Arum burning bridges with numerous state commissions if he’s turned down somewhere and then makes another commission go over another one’s head and overrule them.
I just think Arum may want to rethink everything before he goes through with this.
I know he wont though.
Is it possible that if Texas turns down Margarito and thats a big IF, and Margarito isn’t allowed to box in the U.S , do you think Arum will scrap this fight and try to get Mayweather in late December, early January?
Nope — not enough time to promote. They will almost certainly want this on the first Saturday of May, which is a traditional huge fight weekend.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Usually involving a Mexican though
The reason it’s a huge fight weekend is because of Cinco de Mayo.
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Didn’t stop Mayweather-Mosley.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
No
He’ll move the fight to Mexico.
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Thursday
Margarito Can Apply in Cali Again in a Year, Won’t Make a Diffrence. Margarito Will Re Apply in Tx, If Your the Promoter you Do the Same Thing. Mosley – Mora? Come On Y Didn’t Mosley Fight Martinez?
If they try go to Tx then Cali will be more pissed at him. To get his licence back he has to show true remorse, at the moment its just an incovenience, he is still working around it.
I hope Tx dont grant him a licence and Arum drops the fight, but no way Arum gives up on the fight.
"I'm scared every time I go into the ring, but it's how you handle it. What you have to do is plant your feet, bite down on your mouthpiece and say, 'Let's go.'" Mike Tyson
Arum will host it in uncharted waters if he has to. He’s a stubborn man. Like, if Texas shockingly said no (Texas is going to say yes), and Nevada said no, and New York said no, and New Jersey said no, and Florida said no, and Mexico suddenly disappeared, Arum would still keep the fight.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I think the fight kind of sucks, but I also struggle to come up with any Pacquiao fight that isn’t against Mayweather that I don’t see as a foregone conclusion. I wouldn’t think much more — strictly as a fight — of the chances of Tim Bradley, Devon Alexander, Andre Berto, Miguel Cotto, or anyone else that wanted the fight.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
you said texas would say yes for march 13, and they didn’t. i’m calling for the upset, and texas to say no to margo a second time
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Aug 19, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The have a huge out now with Margarito having done his bit in California. They can say, “He went to California, they said no. We reviewed the case and decided he IS rehabilitated and remorseful and understands the rules and Robert Garcia is a responsible parent-trainer!”
It’s much, much easier now than it was then. I thought Texas would do it in March because the Texas commission is…the Texas commission. They did surprise me once, but this one’s a slam-dunk. Plus Jerry Jones is in their corner/pocket.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The ball is now in Texas' court
And unless they choose to stand in principles instead of their wallets, I expect the home of ’America’s Team’, Cowboy Stadium, to be the site for the fight.
Today’s proceedings should be perceived for what they were; an exercise in political grandstanding (Chappelle) and government at it’s bureaucratic dearth. The CSAS knows that they are not subject to the rules of real evidence..and that being essentially a political body of appointees, it’s primary job is to CIA (Cover It’s Ass). It did a fine job today.
Ask any driver licensed by the State of California to answer ten questions about the basic rules of the road and they will get most of them wrong. Asking Garcia, who had nothing to do with the night of the Mosely fight, anything is absurd enough. Using him of all people to deny Margarito is Kafkaesque.
The fact is they obviously had no intention of re-licensing Margarito …before the hearing even started. It was a show trial …ultimately of little importance. Compounding Margarito’s transgressions with today’s hearings accomplishes little more than to dirty all hands further, The CSAC’s, Margarito’s…. and Boxing’s
It was a show trial …ultimately of little importance.
Eh, since he did it, he’s going to get licensed in Texas now and they can skirt the issue a lot easier and go, “hey, we went to California! Now we went to Texas, fully within our rights.” Texas would have shied away without him going to California. Now that he did, Texas can all but brush the decision under the rug. All in all everything comes up Margarito. He gets the multi-million dollar payday in Texas and the opportunity to make boxing fans and pundits mostly forget about everything, which comes naturally and easily to most. It’s a very “what’s the latest thing” business.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean the real world
As in “what can you do for me today”….
More or less. And he’ll be shown a multi-million dollar payday for sitting through it.
Also I want to add this, because to be honest I don’t think much more of what happened today than you do (it was very clear once the commission members started asking question that Margarito was not getting a license), but the facts of what happened today had to go on our front page, which is why I also followed with this post so that maybe it would quell some of the celebration over the “still-banned” Margarito.
The bit about Margarito and Garcia not knowing the sparring permit stuff was all show. I mean all show. I’m not saying I’m a mega expert, but I did not know that. Margarito didn’t know it. Garcia didn’t know it, and no matter what you think of Margarito, there is no reason to say Garcia is dishonest or anything, and he has no reputation as anything more than a credible trainer. A lot of people have asked around and I haven’t seen anyone say, “Oh yeah, I knew all about that.” The Chairman was right when he said there probably aren’t ten licensed fighters in California who know about that rule. Che Guevara even testified that they don’t actually enforce the rule because it’s basically impossible. Petrocelli was right to equate that, in an eloquent manner, to one of those obscure, completely outdated laws you might have in your hometown about there being no eating of beef on Thursdays or whatever.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't care if it was a show trial
I don’t care if they got up and sang a fucking musical number while they were at it. Margarito doesn’t deserve a license and if they have to come up with some bullshit little known and enforced rules to bolster their case then so be it. Kudos to them.
Certainly don’t mean to tell you or anyone that feeling like Margarito shouldn’t be licensed anywhere is wrong. Just saying it was a show trial and nothing he could have done would have gotten him a license, and that the sparring permit bit was pure and realistically useless technicality crap. Mostly I don’t want SPARRING PERMIT to turn into the new buzz phrase for everyone.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Today was not really unexpected
Cali had little to gain and a lot to lose.
Had the fight been intended for the Staple Center and then denied, that would have been balls; balls bigger than the DA would have dared risk. I know, Chappele is a woman.
Moreover, had they rules on anything other than ‘strict liability’, they would have made themselves subject to a civil suit by Petrocelli…another thing they not only don’t want…but would probably lose.
Now Cali, after having royally screwed up the handing of this debacle (and the ‘evidence’ itself, can wash it’s hands . Great day for America.
TEXAS
I vote no for Arum and Margarito getting to fight in my state. I hope my state does not disgrace the sport of boxing by giving Margarito a chance o fight here. Arum’s stock has fallen with me also for trying to put on this fight.
Arum needs to dump this fight and focus on the blockbuster. They’ll be plenty of time to make a mediocre fight like this in the future.
I can’t blame him for that. They don’t even have anyone to negotiate with right now. Floyd isn’t talking, it’s not clear who’s even representing him at the table right now, and Floyd is all “on vacation.” Manny wants to fight again this year. Floyd clearly does not. And if Manny is telling the truth, there really won’t be plenty of time to make Pacquiao fights, because he doesn’t plan on fighting a lot longer.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 19, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions

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