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Pacquiao-Margarito Undercard: Kelly Pavlik and Guillermo Rigondeaux Discussed

With the November 13 fight between Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito now good to go following Margarito's licensing in Texas this evening, the undercard for the event at Cowboys Stadium is already starting to get some talk flowing.

Those who hoped for a 118-pound title fight between Fernando Montiel and Nonito Donaire can keep waiting, it appears. That fight might wind up in early 2011 at this rate. Montiel-Donaire has been discussed for a long time now (before Montiel beat Hozumi Hasegawa), and it's still just idle chatter for the most part.

Most notable so far is Rick Reeno reporting at BoxingScene.com that Kelly Pavlik is a possibility. The former middleweight champ has been very quiet since losing his crown to Sergio Martinez on April 17, with only his declining a rematch coming out of Youngstown. There's been talk that he would move up to super middleweight, and then talk that he'd stay at 160 for the time being. Reeno says that a Pavlik fight in Arlington would be at a max weight of 164 or so, with Top Rank looking to "test" Pavlik.

The middleweight ranks are thin for "tests," which in boxing promoter speak usually means a journeyman who would be a serious underdog but a mild threat, a guy who can give rounds. I still think Peter Manfredo Jr. would be a nice comeback opponent for Pavlik from a Pavlik standpoint, but Manfredo recently signed with Lou DiBella and seems to have serious intentions of building a real career at 160.

Speculation: I wouldn't be shocked to see Top Rank re-visit the idea of Pavlik facing John Duddy, whose career has peaked with his loss to Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in June. Once upon a time, Pavlik-Duddy was seen as a middleweight championship fight that would draw a crowd in the northeast. Now, it would just be a fight between a down but not out former champ and a clear also-ran. Brian Vera's always willing to fight anyone, too, and always provides good action. Lajuan Simon is a former title challenger who has won two straight. Andy Kolle has been on a roll since getting knocked out by Paul Williams. This is the sort of competition I expect they're looking at.

Boxing Scene also reported that Guillermo Rigondeaux is still expected to be a featured part of the undercard, but there are two opponents rumored now. Both would be big steps up in class for him, and both are also the sort of fighter that Rigondeaux can feast upon. Former titlist Ricardo Cordoba is one, and Bernabe Concepcion is the other. Concepcion is coming off of a second round TKO loss to featherweight titlist Juan Manuel Lopez in July. Cordoba has won three straight over iffy competition since losing a war to Bernard Dunne in March 2009. Either is a nice fight on paper and probably action-packed.

I'd also expect another Mexican name of some repute to be featured on the card, even if it's just Alfonso Gomez or somebody. An easy fight for Marco Antonio Barrera might also move a few extra tickets.

Update: Lem Satterfield of FanHouse reports that Mike Jones will also be part of the undercard. Jesus Soto Karass, Lanardo Tyner, David Estrada and Ed Paredes are possible opponents. His promoter, Russell Peltz, added this:

"I asked Mike if he would rather Berto for the title or Soto Karass in Dallas, and he said that he would rather fight Berto," said Peltz. "HBO, I'm told, actually agreed to the fight, but I understood that Berto's people turned it down."

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Montiel-Donaire would’ve been great but don’t mind seeing that one on Showtime either. Maybe in December?

by DanielAM on Aug 26, 2010 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

I heard that Montiel vs Mijares is Also a possibility, I was Looking foward to Seeing Montiel – Dinaire Fight on the Undercard of MpP vs Margarito or on the Jr vs Cooto Undercard.

by rgb on Aug 26, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a mismatch

between the Packer and Tony Margarito……… Margarito is obviously faded and was never very skilled in a technical sense…… PLUS! At age 32, making 147 has gotta be tuff as nails in 2010……. I expect another beatdown loss for Margarito…….. I’m just pissed he’ll get another million dollar payday to go spend at home in Tijuana afterward……. This is bogus…… TRUTH!

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by MRBILL40 on Aug 26, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

He won’t have to get all the way down to 147. It’s at 151 for a vacant junior middle trinket.

And I think he’s gonna get his ass kicked, too.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win another paper title. But he could’ve done that at 147. All Pacquiao and Margarito had to do was ask the WBC for a 154-pound belt.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 27, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it was an unnecessary concession

and potentially dangerous one at that. For Manny that is.

by pakinpower on Aug 27, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

unlikely

Margarito looked like crap his last fight. He had a chin, which may now be gone courtesy of Mosley. He will have no power now that he can’t have plaster hands. This fight is farce and a complete skip.

by journeyintosound on Aug 27, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude.

He had power in Nevada against Cotto, with wraps provided by the Commission. Were they in on the scam too? FFS. Grow up.

by Chaos100 on Aug 27, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thx Chaos.

The Hate I get. The conspiracy BS I can’t stand.

by pakinpower on Aug 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlikely….but still unnecessary. Pac is the A-side fighter.

BTW, It would be virtually impossible to have had anything in the wraps in Las Vegas where he beat Cotto. Unlike California, where the trainer provides the wraps, the wraps…. are given to the trainer….. by the commission in Nevada.

by pakinpower on Aug 27, 2010 1:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Packer is NO

150+ pounder……… Against the best there, Packer gets mauled and handled……… But he’s fighting a shot and worn Tony Margarito…….. Tony Margarito gets chopped down and halted inside 10 rds at 151 pounds…….. Margarito’s chin has been cracked by Shane Mosley…….

This will also air PPV……… Lordy………. YAWN!!

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by MRBILL40 on Aug 27, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

You're right. He's definitely not a 150+ fighter

So I still see no reason to let Margarito have any advantage at all.

BTW, I imagine Manny could have beat a 154 Yuri Foreman if his stablemate Cotto hadn’t done so already. The problem is that for the most part, rankings, belts and titles are BS today. If you want a belt, find the worst of six fighters wearing them and get it.

by pakinpower on Aug 27, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

You’re right. He’s definitely not a 150+ fighter

I’m almost certain he’s never weighed 154 pounds in his life.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 27, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Arum really wanted to give us a great undercard he'd give us Pavlik-Pirog!

I realize there’s no chance of it happening – just sayin’.

I like either of those proposed Rigondeaux fights! Of the possible Jones opponents above, I’d prefer Karass and would be okay with Tyner, but what often seems to happen with these undercard proposals is something real good gets mentioned, and we end up settling for much less.

by geraldmcgrew on Aug 27, 2010 2:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I love the idea of Cordoba/Rigondeaux.

I’m not sure it’s as easy to pick as some might assume, either.

by Chaos100 on Aug 27, 2010 6:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Early rumors for possible Pavlik opponents

Librado Andrade (which I suspect is unlikely because of the GBP-Top Rank rift)
Marcus Johnson
Dmitry Pirog (also unlikely for a number of reasons)

Once they’ve floated by these decent fights and they get passed on for various reasons, THEN I suspect TR will start touting an in-house fight, like Duddy, or a fight against a schlub with a name, like Vera or Manfredo.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Sounds about right. I really see no reason why Marcus Johnson would choose to fight Kelly Pavlik at this stage of his career. And there’s no way Andrade or Johnson can make 164 comfortably either, if that catchweight is for real.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't they started touting Morales as an opponent yet?

El Terrible seems to get mentioned in any potential fight, against ANYONE….

by Chaos100 on Sep 1, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

saw GR’s last fight in Mexico, i was surprised he didn’t really look for the kill after the first 2 rounds. he clearly outclassed the guy in virtually every aspect, but just seemed willing to coast until the guy had enough and retired between rounds on his stool. before this, i had been getting more and more excited about him as a prospect and one to watch coming up in the game given his stellar amateur background and part as the group of Cuban prospects i keep seeing on FNFights and such.

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.

by theworldsoldestsport on Aug 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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